Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[howmanywords]

54 minutes ago, BuckeyeLou said:

  I admit to having tears in my eyes when John was explaining the hour glass to Jack & how it helped him deal with Marlena's coma. 

Yep same here. I also got a little teary when Marlena recited the line from Tom that has become the shows symbol/tagline "like sands through hourglass so are the days of our lives". What an ending though!

[msrachelj]

1 hour ago, BuckeyeLou said:

Whoa!  The "Magic Hour Glass" 🙂  I liked today's show, there were all kinds of hints dropping all the way thru the show.  I admit to having tears in my eyes when John was explaining the hour glass to Jack & how it helped him deal with Marlena's coma. 

What hints? 

[Silver Raven]

Wasn't there a taxi waiting for Sarah during all of these conversations?

[mariah23]

45 minutes ago, Silver Raven said:

Wasn't there a taxi waiting for Sarah during all of these conversations?

Yep.  I hope he/she gets a great tip.

[Sandman]

On 11/6/2019 at 4:15 PM, Rafael said:

A mentally ill person cannot be this Proficient.

Not that I'm defending this show's record on the portrayal mental illness (because, BWAH!) but intelligence and mental illness are not mutually exclusive. Ted Bundy (to take a notorious but perhaps notionally relevant example) was a murderous psychopath (anti-social personality disorder with paranoid features?) who was known to be both highly intelligent, motivated and cunning. Wasn't he supposed to have been really good at covering his tracks?   

Edited November 8, 2019 by Sandman

[Sandman]

On 11/6/2019 at 7:55 PM, CanaryFan98 said:

I enjoyed Bristen a lot more then course ED was Kristen so that helped a lot. SH's Kristen is just a cartoon and has no real humanity to her at all.

I don't think Haiduk needs to shoulder the majority of blame for this; sorry. I think people have a higher opinion of Davidson's portrayal than the actual later performances warrant, based on affection for her and what the character was like in earlier days, in my estimation. That woman was plenty cartoony before Haiduk was cast. Davidson is certainly not blameless. (Again, in my opinion.) 

Edited November 8, 2019 by Sandman
Can't figure out how to merge consecutive posts. Sorry. two

[QueenSerena]

18 minutes ago, mariah23 said:

Yep.  I hope he/she gets a great tip.

Ha! It's a reverse Airplane! reference:

The taxi driver was the one who took off in the movie, while Sarah kept her taxi driver waiting today. 😄

[boes]

34 minutes ago, Sandman said:

I don't think Haiduk needs to shoulder the majority of blame for this; sorry. I think people have a higher opinion of Davidson's portrayal than the actual later performances warrant, based on affection for her and what the character was like in earlier days, in my estimation. That woman was plenty cartoony before Haiduk was cast. Davidson is certainly not blameless. (Again, in my opinion.) 

Mine too.  ED may have been good back in the day, but her last returns to Salem, especially her extended run where she raped Eric, I thought she was about as believable as Dan was as a doctor, which was not-at-all.  

I do think the characterization for Kristen is even worse, though, for Stacy's take on the role, but it's a matter of degrees.

At this point, I'd find it completely logical if Kristen's way to have a child was to sit on an egg until it hatched.

[Sandman]

36 minutes ago, boes said:

At this point, I'd find it completely logical if Kristen's way to have a child was to sit on an egg until it hatched.

You know what? I might actually tune in for one of Doctor Rolf's crazy schemes, if it meant she would end up getting her Foghorn Leghorn on.

[TeeVee329]

Me (doing my best Jesse Pinkman impression): Time jump, bitch!!!

I hope, in this intervening time, the people of Salem have done the right thing and have named Gabi their queen.  And also that Sonny has either gotten a job or burned all his suits.

[CanaryFan98]

2 hours ago, Sandman said:

I don't think Haiduk needs to shoulder the majority of blame for this; sorry. I think people have a higher opinion of Davidson's portrayal than the actual later performances warrant, based on affection for her and what the character was like in earlier days, in my estimation. That woman was plenty cartoony before Haiduk was cast. Davidson is certainly not blameless. (Again, in my opinion.) 

I do think Kristen overstayed her welcome ages ago tbh she should've stayed in the 90s and I say this as someone who liked Bristen. However the character should've been killed off for good in when she flew out that window in Italy and Tate was reunited with his parents. 

At this point they're trying to make fetch happen with a character that shouldn't coexist with her victims like its no big deal it was my issue with Stefano being a part of Salem and treated like everyone else he shouldn't be. He should be feared and not a cartoon the moment the Dimeras became like every other family in Salem was when they stopped scaring me.

Regardless I still prefer ED in the role because there's nothing about SH's portrayal that makes me think Kristen has any sincerity left.. that scene she had with Jack/JJ about Jennifer drove it home for me I think ED would've at least shown she cared for Jennifer maybe due to past history now SH's version is all about Brady and nothing else. Granted the writing is doing her no favors either.

I do prefer SH as Susan though.

[Frozendiva]

I liked the semi-adult conversation that Sarah and Nicole had. Nicole admitted that she was insecure - that showed a bit of growth for her. Sarah does not realize that a lot of women who have kids with other men who are in other relationships can and do manipulate those men and hold the child over them to get what they want. Sarah may be one of a percentage who is adult enough to work out a good arrangement that benefits all parties involved.

Ben, when you go home and find your place taken apart, you do not explore - you call the cops!

Poor Princess Gina having all her pillow smothering time interrupted. That pesky Jennifer Horton will live! First her daughter, and then that Rafe dude.

John and Marlena are the constants and it was a nice touch to give Jack the hourglass.

Kristen, it was not up to you to tell Eric that Sarah is pregnant. That is on Sarah and she should be adult enough to do so. But she chose not to, and she has her reasons - whatever they are. And then after a nice moment, her and Brady go at it.

After the hourglass turned, Jennifer Van Winkle has woken up one year later....

[BuckeyeLou]

3 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

I liked the semi-adult conversation that Sarah and Nicole had. Nicole admitted that she was insecure - that showed a bit of growth for her. Sarah does not realize that a lot of women who have kids with other men who are in other relationships can and do manipulate those men and hold the child over them to get what they want. Sarah may be one of a percentage who is adult enough to work out a good arrangement that benefits all parties involved.

Ben, when you go home and find your place taken apart, you do not explore - you call the cops!

Poor Princess Gina having all her pillow smothering time interrupted. That pesky Jennifer Horton will live! First her daughter, and then that Rafe dude.

John and Marlena are the constants and it was a nice touch to give Jack the hourglass.

Kristen, it was not up to you to tell Eric that Sarah is pregnant. That is on Sarah and she should be adult enough to do so. But she chose not to, and she has her reasons - whatever they are. And then after a nice moment, her and Brady go at it.

After the hourglass turned, Jennifer Van Winkle has woken up one year later....

Jennifer Van Winkle!  I love it 🙂

[Irlandesa]

7 hours ago, msrachelj said:

What hints? 

I didn't watch the whole show since there a few stories I don't really have patience for but I do know that John and Marlena were talking about how they felt more happened to them in the past year than most couples go through in a lifetime. It came with the "a lot can happen in a  year" quote.

16 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

I liked the semi-adult conversation that Sarah and Nicole had.

I can't even begin to say how much I loved that conversation.  In the past, it might have even been the beginning of an unlikely friendship.  Both women putting their cards on their table, being honest about their, perhaps irrational, fears.  Bonding over a shared secret. 

Princess Gina is an awful murderer.  I get why she didn't continue with her plan once Ciara and later Ben walked in but why would she answer her phone?

[DisneyBoy]

5 hours ago, Sandman said:

I don't think Haiduk needs to shoulder the majority of blame for this; sorry. I think people have a higher opinion of Davidson's portrayal than the actual later performances warrant, based on affection for her and what the character was like in earlier days, in my estimation. That woman was plenty cartoony before Haiduk was cast. Davidson is certainly not blameless. (Again, in my opinion.) 

I do agree that Eileen's last two or so returns were pretty mediocre in terms of material. There's only so much you can bring to a performance to elevate said material. When they have her trashing her hotel room and then trashing the park with the garbage can, then saying cliched stuff about how she and Brady are meant to be and then having this crazy plan in a castle in Italy...all that stuff is hard to relate to and very cartoony. Even the best actress in the world is going to end up making that campy because it naturally is.

...since Staci took over the role, however, it's been nothing but campy dialed up to 11. Even today, I was trying to imagine Eileen doing the scene in the chapel with Eric and making it feel more real and human. It's just not possible. Ron writes dialogue in a very artificial way. He has the characters say things very bluntly and expositionally rather than speaking like a real person would. I realize normal speech patterns are rare on a soap, but I feel like in the past there was a much better balance between saying things in a dramatic way and seeing them in an honest way. I thought Staci did pretty well with her scenes today, but she'll never cut the mustard as Kristen. And I do think the writing is making it even worse. If I had never seen Eileen in the part and only knew her from Staci's portrayal, I would hate the character completely. She reminds me a lot of Ava. Transparently manipulative and faux-seductive and just kind of icky. But my point is, not even Eileen could have sold the material today, and this was decent material. It's just too phony baloney to feel real.

I loved Kristen's 2012-2013 return storyline because she played all these different levels. You would see Kristen break down and get very quiet and almost uncomfortable around John at the Horton Cabin and then in the Secret Room, remembering her past sins and genuinely seeming to regret them. Then you'd get the Kristen that adored scheming against Marlena and driving her crazy, and the floating on cloud nine Kristen who couldn't help but feel joyful around Brady. There was dimension and honesty.

I don't think we're going to get better from Staci than we saw today, and I sincerely doubt we're going to get anything halfway decent from Ron with regards to Kristen. Only once Eileen is back and better writers have taken over will I consider Kristen herself again...

Edited November 9, 2019 by DisneyBoy

[DisneyBoy]

21 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

I can't even begin to say how much I loved that conversation.  In the past, it might have even been the beginning of an unlikely friendship.  Both women putting their cards on their table, being honest about their, perhaps irrational, fears.  Bonding over a shared secret. 

As much as I just said that Ron couldn't write honestly about the human condition, this scene almost completely disproves that. I don't know if Ron himself wrote it so maybe the credit has to go to someone else. But the point is, I kept waiting for them to play up the drama and instead what I saw was two women having a very adult mature conversation and saying painful things that were the honest truth. It was really touching. I was impressed with both of them. I kept expecting them to make Nicole a domineering manipulator, but they didn't. And it would have been very easy for Sarah to play the victim but she didn't either. She said she was doing what she was doing out of respect for Eric and Nicole and I like that. And Nicole admitted that she was insecure because of her infidelity. Neither one of them turned nasty. I can't think of the last time I saw an opportunity for a catfight passed up on this show.

All the Hourglass stuff was kind of silly though. They never bothered to show us John turning the thing over in his bedroom back when Marlena was in a coma, so I didn't appreciate Ron, who wrote that whole storyline, deciding to retroactively insert this information into it. And how exactly is an hourglass comforting? It has a finite amount of sand in it and represents a limited amount of time. It would be like Jack looking at a clock ticking down to zero and feeling better about Jennifer waking up. I don't get that.

I so wish it had been Ben that was dead.

[SueB]

I was pleased with Nicole/Sarah's meeting.  I sure hope Sarah tells Eric the truth.  It's one thing to slip off to somewhere but if he asks straight out, you need to come clean.

I have zero tolerance for Gina.

[Irlandesa]

19 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

. But the point is, I kept waiting for them to play up the drama and instead what I saw was two women having a very adult mature conversation and saying painful things that were the honest truth.

Sometimes it's the best kind of drama there is.

6 minutes ago, SueB said:

I was pleased with Nicole/Sarah's meeting.  I sure hope Sarah tells Eric the truth.  It's one thing to slip off to somewhere but if he asks straight out, you need to come clean.

I suspect Nicole is going to say Xander is the father.

[Petunia13]

6 hours ago, Sandman said:

Not that I'm defending this show's record on the portrayal mental illness (because, BWAH!) but intelligence and mental illness are not mutually exclusive. Ted Bundy (to take a notorious but perhaps notionally relevant example) was a murderous psychopath (anti-social personality disorder with paranoid features?) who was known to be both highly intelligent, motivated and cunning. Wasn't he supposed to have been really good at covering his tracks?   

I think you are confused. Many killers and criminals have personality disorder but used rational premeditated decision making and have culpablity. Ben was found innocent by insanity. Marlena and the courts are claiming he lacked all reason and apparently didn’t plan what he did. 

[Rafael]

8 hours ago, Sandman said:

Not that I'm defending this show's record on the portrayal mental illness (because, BWAH!) but intelligence and mental illness are not mutually exclusive. Ted Bundy (to take a notorious but perhaps notionally relevant example) was a murderous psychopath (anti-social personality disorder with paranoid features?) who was known to be both highly intelligent, motivated and cunning. Wasn't he supposed to have been really good at covering his tracks?   

Thats what im saying . Ben knew exactly whAt he was doing. He aint mentally ill at all. 

2 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

I think you are confused. Many killers and criminals have personality disorder but used rational premeditated decision making and have culpablity. Ben was found innocent by insanity. Marlena and the courts are claiming he lacked all reason and apparently didn’t plan what he did. 

Which was utterly nonsensical because he tried to frame Chad for the killings and he tried to claim Eduardo's reward money knowing full well that He killed Paige. 

He only got off because he got dimples and abs. 

[Rafael]

On 11/7/2019 at 2:49 AM, CanaryFan98 said:

Yes he did it was after Chad went to see her. 

It exists actually they showed a lot more skin, positions than love scenes do these days.

Course the 80s had way more risque stuff.

Now thats straight up softcore porn. 

[Petunia13]

34 minutes ago, Rafael said:

Thats what im saying . Ben knew exactly whAt he was doing. He aint mentally ill at all. 

Which was utterly nonsensical because he tried to frame Chad for the killings and he tried to claim Eduardo's reward money knowing full well that He killed Paige. 

He only got off because he got dimples and abs. 

Exactly. He definitely weighed his actions. It’s hard to explain but not guilty by reason of insanity is like when a parent kills their child’s rapist or molester in the heat of the moment and shows signs of shock or trauma. A great many killers or criminals have mental problems but still are charged and serve because they show inspite of being very fucked in the head do exhibit decision making when doing so. I know someone who is a sociopath like clear as day their entire life has been a textbook one; but went to prison for shooting someone. Like Ben weighed his actions and even now talks of killing Jordan or thinking about it and even at one point asked Victor to do so even though he says he’s “cured” and all that fuckshit was just his illness and the past. Okay Sir 👌🏼 . 

It’s 2019 Ron. People use Uber or Lyft now. My car was in the shop for a week and I actually called cab companies and none would pick me up but Uber was 8 min to 2 min. I don’t think those wait more than a few minutes if you don’t meet them and if you don’t meet them they can leave and you are charged for the ride anyhow. 

I actually like Xander and Sarah and today liked Kristen and Brady.  

Nice touch Jack’s hair was messed up and he looked haggard with unmoisterized & foundation free skin, that’s something Alison Sweeney would do. 

Monday’s gonna be weird y’all. And I’m expecting your to be clocked in watching and leaving comments later. LOL. 

[QueenSerena]

33 minutes ago, Rafael said:

Thats what im saying . Ben knew exactly whAt he was doing. He aint mentally ill at all. 

Which was utterly nonsensical because he tried to frame Chad for the killings and he tried to claim Eduardo's reward money knowing full well that He killed Paige. 

He only got off because he got dimples and abs. 

He had a box full of red ties, too. He planned everything from the start! Then he tried to make Will's murder appear to be a break-in gone wrong, showing he knew right from wrong (on top of everything else he'd already done). That level of planning + knowing right vs. wrong means he'd likely never meet the definition of legal insanity, and would never see the light of day again. But he's supposed to be the town's hero now, so we can't have any kind of logic coming into this.

[Rafael]

On 11/9/2019 at 3:53 AM, CanaryFan98 said:

On 11/9/2019 at 3:53 AM, CanaryFan98 said:

I do think Kristen overstayed her welcome ages ago tbh she should've stayed in the 90s and I say this as someone who liked Bristen. However the character should've been killed off for good in when she flew out that window in Italy and Tate was reunited with his parents. 

At this point they're trying to make fetch happen with a character that shouldn't coexist with her victims like its no big deal it was my issue with Stefano being a part of Salem and treated like everyone else he shouldn't be. He should be feared and not a cartoon the moment the Dimeras became like every other family in Salem was when they stopped scaring me.

Exactly. REmember during the early 2000s ,right around circa 2002-2006 ,Stefano's legacy loomed large over the show. 

He was actually scarier when He wasnt on the show .

Especially when "Tony" DiMera returned from the dead during John and Marlena's wedding anniversary celebrations at Maggie's restaurant . 

Even during that brilliant Will reading storyline ,when Stefano's will was read , his spirit and legacy was still keenly felt . 

Everytime his name came up, you just had a sense of dread . 

Everytime "Tony " was talking to Stefano over the phone ,you always felt uneasy and wondered what Stefano and Tony are plotting . 

It was like Stefano had transcended the living world and became a supernatural gothic figure despite not being physically present on the canvas.

Stefano was still scary when John and Marlena found him at that Italian hospital with his face obscured and only his hand (which had the phoenix ring ) visible . It was a body double actor playing Stefano's obscured physical form before Joe Mascolo returned to the role. The atmosphere was so tense during that scene . 

 I had no problem with Stefano returning in physical form in a weakened state when he was ill but that whole crying shit over Santo DiMera and Colleen killed the character's mystique and intimidation factOr. 

I still think that Stefano should have been written off back in 2008 after he woke up from the 6 mOnth coma after marlena drugged him and trying to avenge John's "death". 

I recall there was some hospital crisis taking place when Stefano woke up from his coma and proceeded to walk around the hospital .

He even ran into Chloe and she was horrified and ran for her life.

Stefano even took baby Joey and walked around the hospital carrying him around. Those scenes were creepy . 

Anyways ,did they ever explain why he was carrying and cradling baby joey during that hospital crisis ? 

He should have gone back to the shadows after the hospital saga and got his rEvenge on Marlena by sending a female operative to paralyse John and that would have been a good way for john and marlena to exit the show when they were both fired in 2008 with Stefano having the lAst laugh . Instead we got that whole Dr Charlotte psycho crap. 

Stefano would remain in the shadows and running house DiMera and its legal and illegal businesses  from his headquarters at Maison Blanche and returning to Salem  after Chad is revealed to be his son . 

They could have had him coming to Salem from time to time . 

After the Ian Mcallister debacle ,i could see him returning to the shadows after asking Kristen to go back to Salem and babysit Chad and EJ. 

Then he could emerge during Kristen's death and finally return to the DiMera mansion after announcing To Chad  that He is dying .  

Edited November 11, 2019 by Rafael

[Lastwaltz]

Wow @Rafael, great history of Days there. I swear I watch every episode but never retain very many details.

So I thought the episode was good, to my surprise! I thought the last scene was really effective -- crossing my fingers I'm not going to hate what Monday brings. 

ETA: Hey, wonder if NBC will show the impeachment hearings live? I hope so. But I also hope they broadcast the episodes off hours or something. 

Edited November 9, 2019 by Lastwaltz
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[buffynut]

Is anyone who posts in this thread unspoiled?   If so, was yesterday's ending confusing?  I was spoiled, so knew what was coming, but wondered how it played to an unspoiled viewer.

Edited November 9, 2019 by buffynut

[howmanywords]

1 hour ago, buffynut said:

Is anyone who posts in this thread unspoiled?   If so, was yesterday's ending confusing?  I was spoiled, so knew what was coming, but wondered how it played to an unspoiled viewer.

A friend on Facebook who is spoiler free watched last night and was extremely confused. She thought Jack was having a dream. I explained a little whats to come while still trying to keep her spoiler free and she was like "huh". 

[Kitty Redstone]

On 11/6/2019 at 1:08 PM, DisneyBoy said:

We watched everybody be freaked out and concerned about Brady and his obsession with helping Kristen since 2013...have they all just thrown in the towel?

Surely they've finally figured out that reasoning with a turnip would have better results than trying to talk sense to Brady.  Dude's a moron.

I've missed most of this week (it's been good hiking weather!) but dvr'd Friday's episode to stay somewhat caught up.  Am looking forward to watching!

[buffynut]

1 hour ago, howmanywords said:

A friend on Facebook who is spoiler free watched last night and was extremely confused. She thought Jack was having a dream. I explained a little whats to come while still trying to keep her spoiler free and she was like "huh". 

Being spoiled, I really liked the way the show played out yesterday. But I can totally see how someone not spoiled would be extremely confused.  Hopefully the confusion will get everyone to tune in on Monday. 

I'm spoiled, but have been trying to avoid detailed spoilers, and am looking forward to the ride ahead. Hope it doesn't disappoint.

[SueB]

Just to review the bidding, as of Friday BEFORE the 'sands of the hourglass' turned it into a year:
- Jarlena: Alive and well and acting like the new patriarchs of DOOL
- Hope: Is Princess Gina via some implanted chip
- Ben: holding the hand of a dead body (I'm guessing Jordan)
- Rafe: Investigating Jennifer's fall
- Eric/Nicole/Sarah: In a tense stand-off with Eric asking Sarah if she's pregnant
- Jack holding Jennifer's hand
- Jennifer in a coma
- Brady/Kristen: massive lip-lock of re-coupledom

Offscreen yesterday but onscreen this week-ish:
- Ciara going to retrieve her phone
- JJ sad about his Mom, currently dating Haley
- Kayla: only working doctor in the hospital
- Lani/Eli/Gabi: no marriage, Gabi is holding Julie's heart hostage
- Julie/Doug & Abe: sad about Eli/Lani
- Justine/Adrienne: Happily married again
- Eve: Drunk on a bed bemoaning her existence
- Will/Sonny: husbands taking care of Arianna
- Xander/Maggie: sad Sarah is leaving
- Victory/Kate: scheming again
- Roman: still running that pub, dispensing advice and alcohol
- Tony's in charge of DiMera and Anna's pissed about it
 

Did I miss anyone?  Seems like a shit-ton of 'moves' made this past week:
- Jennifer coma
- Evil Gabi stops Lani/Eli from wedding
- Hope is fully Princess Gina
- Eric finds out about the baby
- Brady falls for Kristen. Again. 
- Someone is dead in Ben's cottage.
 

Looking forward to Monday.

[Sandman]

17 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

At this point they're trying to make fetch happen with a character that shouldn't coexist with her victims like its no big deal it was my issue with Stefano being a part of Salem and treated like everyone else he shouldn't be.

Absolutely.

[Sandman]

13 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

Ben was found innocent by insanity.

I missed the part where Ben was found to lack all capacity to reason, but an insanity plea and a finding of not guilty by reason of insanity is more narrow (in the real world anyway); if someone lacks the capacity to understand the consequences of his or her actions, they can be found not guilty. 

[DanaMB]

9 hours ago, buffynut said:

Is anyone who posts in this thread unspoiled?   If so, was yesterday's ending confusing?  I was spoiled, so knew what was coming, but wondered how it played to an unspoiled viewer.

I was wondering that, too. I wonder how the unspoiled are  reacting. 
 

As to the show itself...

I hate the Princess Gina stuff. It’s cringeworthy  watching the “acting” and  hearing the “accent.” I just ff all scenes with PG/Hope. 

Edited November 9, 2019 by DanaMB

[Black Knight]

21 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

And how exactly is an hourglass comforting? It has a finite amount of sand in it and represents a limited amount of time.

I can understand the psychology. It's about breaking an indefinite amount of time down into one manageable period at a time. I can't find the resources to get through "indefinitely," because that's just overwhelming if I think about it (could be months, could be years, could be always), but I can find the resources to get through a turn of the hourglass. And if the situation's still ongoing when the sand runs out, then I can turn the hourglass over and begin anew. Every turn is a new chance.

[DaphneCat]

3 hours ago, DanaMB said:

I hate the Princess Gina stuff. It’s cringeworthy  watching the “acting” and  hearing the “accent.” I just ff all scenes with PG/Hope. 

That accent is SO bad.  How is it not a single person in Salem picks up on it when she's trying to be Hope?  (I know, I know, the Salem Brain is on winter vacation in Aruba.)

[Swartz]

To my surprise I liked Fridays ep.  The weak scenes were that RIDICULOUs speech John and Marlena gave Jack about the hourglass. That was bad.  I think a lot of it has to do with the DHs acting which just bugs.  DHim and that squinting drives me crazy.

On the whole I really look forward to next week. 

[DisneyBoy]

Honestly, of all the shity stories Hope has had last few years, I kind of like this Gina stuff, in a weird way. It's too bad the show doesn't have enough money to actually give her a royal suite or a ball to preside over, but I'm happy that we're at least getting some fancy wardrobe for Hope and some new hairdos. And she's being paired with Rolf, not with Rafe so that's definitely where to gaining more tolerable. I haven't decided which.

Ideally, I'd want to see her keeping extremely close watch over Ciara, waiting for the moment to pounce on Ben but we know the show will never get rid of him now that Ron has decided he's the second coming of Christ. So bring on the tiaras and opera gloves!

2 hours ago, SnK said:

The weak scenes were that RIDICULOUs speech John and Marlena gave Jack about the hourglass. That was bad.  I think a lot of it has to do with the DHs acting which just bugs.  DHim and that squinting drives me crazy.

Like I said, it was just that the whole hourglass as an uplifting coping mechanism idea didn't work. It just looks goofy.

[DisneyBoy]

5 hours ago, Black Knight said:

I can understand the psychology. It's about breaking an indefinite amount of time down into one manageable period at a time. I can't find the resources to get through "indefinitely," because that's just overwhelming if I think about it (could be months, could be years, could be always), but I can find the resources to get through a turn of the hourglass. And if the situation's still ongoing when the sand runs out, then I can turn the hourglass over and begin anew. Every turn is a new chance.

I did something similar once when trying to deal with a crisis situation, and break it down into smaller periods of time by completing a task repetitiously. It didn't comfort me much, but it kept me from losing my mind as I waited. It's just that the hourglass is always about when the time is going to run out. And it's so large. And exactly how much time would an hourglass run for? 10 minutes at the most? I don't see 65 year old John or Jack being comforted by this. It was really just silly. The dialogue couldn't sell it at all. Maybe it worked better on the page.

[Lastwaltz]

10 hours ago, Black Knight said:

It's about breaking an indefinite amount of time down into one manageable period at a time.

Amen to this. When my first granddaughter was stillborn, I counted minutes. 'Okay, I got through that minute, I can do another one..." and so on. 

[Sandman]

On 11/9/2019 at 11:23 AM, SueB said:

- Brady/Kristen: massive lip-lock of re-coupledom

Ew.

[boes]

12 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

I did something similar once when trying to deal with a crisis situation, and break it down into smaller periods of time by completing a task repetitiously. It didn't comfort me much, but it kept me from losing my mind as I waited. It's just that the hourglass is always about when the time is going to run out. And it's so large. And exactly how much time would an hourglass run for? 10 minutes at the most? I don't see 65 year old John or Jack being comforted by this. It was really just silly. The dialogue couldn't sell it at all. Maybe it worked better on the page.

Hourglasses generally last an hour.  Hence, the reason it's called an "hourglass".  It's difficult to make one to last longer than that, though it's been tried.  The small ones usually last as long as egg timers, 2 minutes or 3.

[WendyCR72]

The only person Kristen should be "coupling" with is Big Bertha in prison. Or Satan from the grave. She has LONG went past her expiration date. But that's Ron, "normalizing" psychos and cuckoos time and time again.

[bannana]

So that was nice that Jack has a different hair cut/colour to convince us it is a year later.  But it would have been really effective if Jennifer's hair was gray.  Instead I guess they have been colouring her hair six weeks or so while she was in her coma.

[Frozendiva]

Jack also could have been holding a copy of a November 8, 2020 Salem Spectator so we'd know it is a year later.

[CanaryFan98]

52 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

The only person Kristen should be "coupling" with is Big Bertha in prison. Or Satan from the grave. She has LONG went past her expiration date. But that's Ron, "normalizing" psychos and cuckoos time and time again.

As much as I like to blame Ron its not just him its the entire soap genre that's doing this though. I mean look at who the leading mean are on soaps. Sonny Corinthos on GH, Franco was a serial killer and he's now married to the show's leading heroine for the past 20 years. They normalized Stefano and had him just like everyone else. The normal characters, the heroes are considered losers and neutered while the bad characters get to have personality and win. When they started doing this it was the beginning of the end of the soap genre.

[buffynut]

19 hours ago, SnK said:

To my surprise I liked Fridays ep.  The weak scenes were that RIDICULOUs speech John and Marlena gave Jack about the hourglass. That was bad.  I think a lot of it has to do with the DHs acting which just bugs.  DHim and that squinting drives me crazy.

On the whole I really look forward to next week. 

Maybe it's because the hourglass is a Days thing, but I LOVED that speech.  Then again, I love John, so I might be a tad biased. 😉

16 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Honestly, of all the shity stories Hope has had last few years, I kind of like this Gina stuff, in a weird way. It's too bad the show doesn't have enough money to actually give her a royal suite or a ball to preside over, but I'm happy that we're at least getting some fancy wardrobe for Hope and some new hairdos. And she's being paired with Rolf, not with Rafe so that's definitely where to gaining more tolerable. I haven't decided which.

Ideally, I'd want to see her keeping extremely close watch over Ciara, waiting for the moment to pounce on Ben but we know the show will never get rid of him now that Ron has decided he's the second coming of Christ. So bring on the tiaras and opera gloves!

Like I said, it was just that the whole hourglass as an uplifting coping mechanism idea didn't work. It just looks goofy.

Anything (almost) that keeps Hope away from Rafe is good with me.  And I'm really enjoying Rolf.  

I'm a Cin fan, and was a Ben fan before he was the neck tie murderer, so though I hate that they did that to his character, I can't not like Ben.

Interesting so many disliked the hour glass. I thought it was a nice touch. Though I love anything related to the show's identity. For example, I love when a character talks about the "days of our lives".  

Looking forward to tomorrow...

[Lastwaltz]

14 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

Jack also could have been holding a copy of a November 8, 2020 Salem Spectator so we'd know it is a year later.

Wonder who's president? 😂

[DisneyBoy]

Jack: "My LOOOVE... you've been a-SLEEEEEP......

....for a YEEEEEEAAAAAR!"

🙄

Watching him spin that stupid hourglass makes me feel like I'm watching some commercial for a chatchki.

....this is a show for adults, right..?

How is her throat moist enough to speak?

I hate the choice to mist the edges of the flashbacks. Annoying.

If JJ is using now, can he have some scenes with Rory?

I won't handle a Will/Ben friendship well at all.

Edited November 11, 2019 by DisneyBoy

[msrachelj]

On 11/9/2019 at 8:53 AM, buffynut said:

Is anyone who posts in this thread unspoiled?   If so, was yesterday's ending confusing?  I was spoiled, so knew what was coming, but wondered how it played to an unspoiled viewer.

I'm unspoiled and I am friggin lost! I could not even concentrate on todays show because I kept thinking "why the hell are we one year in the future, it's not April fools day. Why Why Why?" So I guess I need to be spoiled . Someone please tell me why this is happening? It can't be someones dream, it's too involved. I do not like it.

On 11/9/2019 at 11:09 AM, buffynut said:

Being spoiled, I really liked the way the show played out yesterday. But I can totally see how someone not spoiled would be extremely confused.  Hopefully the confusion will get everyone to tune in on Monday. 

I'm spoiled, but have been trying to avoid detailed spoilers, and am looking forward to the ride ahead. Hope it doesn't disappoint.

I'm spoiler free and I am totally confused and I don't like what they are doing.

[Desperado]

Just returning to watching the show as I was curious about the time jump. 

Hello Exposition Monday! That was awkward and I don’t see the point. I would’ve been on board with a Zander and Sarah pregnancy/Lamaze classes/delivery storyline.

And who is in prison with Ben? Is it Will?