S01.E01: City Primeval/S01.E02: The Oklahoma Wildman

[AimingforYoko]

First things first: This wasn't Justified. This was Raylan Givens in an Elmore Leonard story. Now to me that's fine, because Leonard is one of my favorite writers and Olyphant slipped back into Givens as well as Raylan slipped back into that Stetson. But if you were expecting a continuation, I would adjust your expectations.

Mansell is a quintessential Leonard bad guy: A bit quirky, a bit crazy, lethal as hell. Boyd Holbrook hits the mark quite nicely.

I like Olyphant's kid, too. She's not annoying me yet.

[MrWhyt]

oh yeah that's the stuff. Loved the brief bit of Keith David we got. Holbrook is scary. Raylan is Raylan.

[Clawdette]

I knew there would be an adjustment moving from the familiarity of Harlan County to Detroit, as we missed those wonderfully-drawn characters in Kentucky.  But Raylan is all the familiarity I needed to get involved with this Justified extension. The new cast has talent and I'm looking forward to seeing their interactions with the hat-wearing protagonist.

[thuganomics85]

"Raylan Givens!  As I live and breathe!!"

Wasn't quite sure what to think hearing about this because; outside of the majority of season five; the original Justified was one of my favorite shows ever and I thought the ending was close to perfect as one can get.  But I ended up enjoying it quite a bit.  Sure, a lot of it is because any amount of Raylan is good no matter what, but I actually think it helps that this is set in Detroit with a bunch of new characters, so it really does feel like it will be its own thing and not change what transpired in the past.  That said, Willa's line about wanting to go to Harlan to see "where she came from" does make me wonder if we might be heading back there for at least finale time.  And while they're at it, maybe Raylan will pay a visit to a certain inmate in a certain prison that likes his soliloquies...

As soon as Keith David showed up being his normal awesome self, I figured he would be the victim since he wasn't listed as a regular beforehand.  I like that there is no mystery about how his death happened and the story will be about how Raylan and the rest can prove it.  What should be interesting is that they will no doubt try to factor in motive and reason, but his death really was a case of road rage/being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Boyd Holbrook was effectively menacing as Clement, but still carries with him a certain charisma that you can buy he would slip by like he's been doing for so long.  Felt kind of similar to his performance as The Corinthian in The Sandman, so I guess this is his thing now!

I wonder how things with Carolyn and Sweetie will play out, since both are working alongside Clement and are part of his schemes, but seemed to be portrayed in a more sympathetic nature.  Sounds like a lot of it is because Clement has something over Sweetie, which is why Carolyn is playing ball.

Willa wasn't the worst compared to a lot of other child characters, but still did a lot of questionable things like wander around the city of Detroit unsupervised and just automatically trust some stranger who claimed he was her dad's buddy.  At the very least keep your phone with you!

Timothy Olyphant really was born to play Raylan Givens.  Nothing much else to add!  

Edited July 19, 2023 by thuganomics85

[seacliffsal]

I really liked this.  I knew I was missing Raylan and Justified but didn't realize the extent of it until watching this.  Both of the attacks on the judge were really quite random; interesting that the DPD had a CI working on the judge, so there will probably be more to that story as well.  I was scared for Willa as she was walking through some isolated areas of the city.  And, I could buy that a young teen would just accept that a friend of her dad's was contacting her (especially as she was looking for something to do).  Of course, we now have Checkov's knife or shiv that will no doubt make a reappearance.

So, it looks like there will be a father/daughter road trip that never happens...

[eclectcmoi]

Really enjoyed this reboot, but dang... SO. MANY. COMMERCIALS! It seemed as though there was one after every scene. Thank goodness we record and fast forward through! 

[paigow]

The only positive thing about Mansell is his apparent lack of Nazi / KKK behaviour

[tv-talk]

I'm already missing this show in the sense that it's just one season and not that many episodes. Mansell has some Boyd about him in terms of being a slick cold blooded killer, but aint nobody gonna match Walton Goggins' Boyd Crowder- cant be done! That said was very pleasantly surprised to see the baddie is The Corinthian, this actor will do a great job I'm sure.

9 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

I wonder how things with Carolyn and Sweetie will play out, since both are working alongside Clement and are part of his schemes

I'm pretty sure Sweetie is not long for this world :-(

[Crashcourse]

Well, I'm in.  Man, I missed Raylan!

As soon as he told Willa not to leave the room, I knew she was going to...leave the room.  So far, I like her but I hope she doesn't do anything stupid.  

[NeenerNeener]

1 hour ago, Crashcourse said:

As soon as he told Willa not to leave the room, I knew she was going to...leave the room.  So far, I like her but I hope she doesn't do anything stupid.  

I'm still kind of blown away by the fact she's actually Olyphant's kid.

[Pike Ludwell]

It's kind of surprising Raylan would leave his daughter alone for so long. He's a pretty astute observer of people, and she's obviously extremely naive and also rebellious. I guess it's explained that he was so into his work that he got reckless on that. 

I'm enjoying it. Loved the original series.

Edited July 19, 2023 by Pike Ludwell

[tv-talk]

So how did Mansell know that Raylan had a daughter? Did he say he just went to random hotels asking for Givens? What was his angle there- was he going to ambush Raylan? Also how did he know about Chicken Grease and about Given's past in general, to the extent Willa believed they were old friends?

[seacliffsal]

43 minutes ago, tv-talk said:

So how did Mansell know that Raylan had a daughter? Did he say he just went to random hotels asking for Givens? What was his angle there- was he going to ambush Raylan? Also how did he know about Chicken Grease and about Given's past in general, to the extent Willa believed they were old friends?

His lawyer knew about Willa as the judge addressed her during court and asked whose daughter she was and Raylan acknowledged her.  So, Mansell probably found out from the lawyer.  He also may know the type of hotels the Marshalls would use, so just went to or called around until he was connected to Raylan's room.  Raylan needs to explain to Willa about the type of people with whom he interacts and therefore prepare her for the criminal element.  I thought the actress did a good job showing how it dawned on her that it wasn't a friendly reunion, but rather a potentially very dangerous situation.

[Artsda]

You would think the daughter of Raylan wouldn't be so stupid believing some random thug looking stranger as a life long friend. 

 

[FrankOFoley]

The dog handler and Belgian Malinois in the first episode were also in Seal Team.

[tv-talk]

7 hours ago, Artsda said:

You would think the daughter of Raylan wouldn't be so stupid believing some random thug looking stranger as a life long friend. 

Yeah especially when they went of their way to make her appear street-wise with the fake rolex guy and being unafraid to explore abandoned buildings

[luna1122again]

8 hours ago, Artsda said:

You would think the daughter of Raylan wouldn't be so stupid believing some random thug looking stranger as a life long friend. 

 

True...but that "friend" is gorgeous, and she's a teenager. I'da gone with him when I was a stupid 15 year old. (not that all 15 year olds are stupid. I was. Evidently Willa kind of is as well.) 

Shallow: Tim's daughter isn't as pretty as he is, but she looks dead on like her mom. Who IS pretty, but also not quite as pretty as TO. 

I miss Boyd, and continue to not really understand why they'd reboot without him, because tho TO is great, and Raylan always interesting to watch, the best thing about Justified was always the Boyd/Raylan dynamic. 

Is Raylan going to hook up with the lady lawyer whose name I can't remember? 

[seacliffsal]

54 minutes ago, luna1122again said:

True...but that "friend" is gorgeous, and she's a teenager. I'da gone with him when I was a stupid 15 year old. (not that all 15 year olds are stupid. I was. Evidently Willa kind of is as well.) 

Shallow: Tim's daughter isn't as pretty as he is, but she looks dead on like her mom. Who IS pretty, but also not quite as pretty as TO. 

I miss Boyd, and continue to not really understand why they'd reboot without him, because tho TO is great, and Raylan always interesting to watch, the best thing about Justified was always the Boyd/Raylan dynamic. 

Is Raylan going to hook up with the lady lawyer whose name I can't remember? 

I agree with everything you wrote.  I think TO is gorgeous/handsome, but I also think he's an underated actor as he just embodies this role.  I'm hoping that the only way to keep Willa safe is to take her to Harlan County and arrange a furlough for Boyd so he can help Raylan take down the baddies (one can hope).

And, I really hope he doesn't hook up with the lawyer (as I wondered the same thing).  Just too cliche.  And, I don't think every show needs a 'love' interest.

[tv-talk]

TOs wife is not nearly as attractive as Raylan Given's ex-wife.

2 hours ago, luna1122again said:

I miss Boyd, and continue to not really understand why they'd reboot without him, because tho TO is great, and Raylan always interesting to watch, the best thing about Justified was always the Boyd/Raylan dynamic. 

Yeah nothing will beat Boyd, no reason to set the bar that high as they wont reach it. I do wish Boyd was back but to shoehorn him into a story about Detroit "just because" may not have worked well. In the end I wonder if I they just couldnt come to agreement with Walton Goggins? Who knows.

For anyone who loves Boyd and hasnt watched "The Shield", very highly recommend.

[aghst]

Boyd wasn't available to come to Detroit to hang with Raylan again.

He's trying to get an evangelical version of Family Feud off the ground.😊

[Zella]

1 hour ago, tv-talk said:

In the end I wonder if I they just couldnt come to agreement with Walton Goggins?

He's staying pretty busy. I doubt he had any time to film, even if they'd wanted him back. He's pretty hilarious in The Righteous Gemstones as Baby Billy. LOLOL And beyond that, he's been in several other things released over the past year or two. 

[luna1122again]

7 minutes ago, Zella said:

He's staying pretty busy. I doubt he had any time to film, even if they'd wanted him back. He's pretty hilarious in The Righteous Gemstones as Baby Billy. LOLOL And beyond that, he's been in several other things released over the past year or two. 

He's recently been in my town (in Kentucky, home of Justified tho they never filmed here) making a movie. I sadly have not run into him. 

Anyway, tho, I cannot  imagine, no matter how busy he is, and he DOES stay busy, that he'd turn down an opportunity to be Boyd again. I do think he loves him almost as much as we do. 

[Pike Ludwell]

This might have more than one season (I hope). Raylan's daughter wants to see Harlan, so in the final episode maybe they drive there, and maybe something will happen there that keeps him there. Then next season Boyd returns. I realize this is wishful thinking.

The casino scene where Mansel is playing Blackjack is kind of funny. He's dealt two aces. Instead of splitting, like anyone who plays knows you should do, he says hit me (3 times), and he likely busts. More evidence that he's not as bright as he thinks. The music demos he's made are probably crap too.

Edited July 21, 2023 by Pike Ludwell

[peachmangosteen]

The actress playing Raylan's daughter (I didn't know she was TO's real daughter!) sounds so much like Willie Jack in Reservation Dogs but somehow I don't find Willie Jack's voice annoying and I very much find the daughter's voice annoying lol.

[Tachi Rocinante]

Good so far.

As much as I appreciate TO, his daughter can't act for shit and brings almost every scene she's in down (she was good in the courtroom).  It also doesn't help that she has the voice of a six-year-old.

[Bobcatkitten]

Yeah, as much as I love Raylan this didn't work for me. The music, the tone, obviously the scenery, were all too different for me. And I don't enjoy the daughter at all. I know it's his daughter but compared to other talent on the show over the years she doesn't stack up and her voice is like nails on the chalkboard to me. 

[freeser]

5 hours ago, Bobcatkitten said:

Yeah, as much as I love Raylan this didn't work for me. The music, the tone, obviously the scenery, were all too different for me. And I don't enjoy the daughter at all. I know it's his daughter but compared to other talent on the show over the years she doesn't stack up and her voice is like nails on the chalkboard to me. 

Watching Raylan's daughter, I couldn't help but compare her to the teenaged Loretta in the original Justified.  She was so fantastic and made such an impression on me, I remember her clearly to this day.  

I'm not thrilled with this new Justified.  It is too dark in several ways - the story is very violent.  Plus it is literally a very dark show as far as scenes.  The city and bar are darkly lit places.  I do miss the open outdoor scenes of the original.  The quirkiness of Boyd, Dewey, Mags, etc. just can't be duplicated.  

As with just about everyone, I love Timothy as Raylan.  But if he was not the star of this new show, I don't know if I would give it much more of a chance.  I'll hang in there for a while.....

[tv-talk]

11 hours ago, freeser said:

I'm not thrilled with this new Justified.  It is too dark in several ways - the story is very violent.  Plus it is literally a very dark show as far as scenes.  The city and bar are darkly lit places.

Hmm, I would say the original was quite a violent show, in fact after 2eps of this Raylan has yet to kill anyone- that has to be a Justified record!

Agree 100% on the literal darkness of the show, the night scenes I can barely tell what's happening. There must be a setting on my TV to fix that though I have found when shows are dark like this nothing really works.

[MissLucas]

Well, it's dark and brutal with great dialogues - so it's right on the mark. Well, almost - I wish they had left the kid in Florida. I was really hoping the episode would not go where it went because the show rarely does predictable (except when it comes to random violence).

I guess after the Loretta-Rylan combo the temptation was just too big to not explore the father-daughter relationship. It might have worked had the writing for Willa provided more surprises 🤷‍♂️ Vivian Olyphant has some massive shoes to fill, Kaitlyn Dever isn't an easy act to follow. And when the writing gives you nothing but generic teenager it's no getting any easier. I had not known that Willa was TO's RL daughter before reading it here. But in the close-up shot of her sitting in the hotel bedroom I thought 'Great casting, she has TOs bone structure' - well, doh.

[callie lee 29]

I'll probably be easier with Willa than others since I was kinda meh on Loretta. 

Thus far I like it. I find Mansel (and the actor) interesting (and the fact that the actor is from KY is kinda funny).

Happy to see Deac from King of queens again!

[Suzn]

 

Spoiler

Vivian Olyphant is given credit for only 3 episodes on IMDB.  Sounds like one more appearance and she moves on.

 

[tearsandhysteria]

I guess i posted this on the wrong page initially.  

I am soo glad justified is back. I missed it. It is one of my favorite series. I'm still wishing for a Good Behavior revival. I do have to say, maybe it's my old age, but I hate that they can drop all these F-bombs now. I'm not a prude but it just feels unnecessary. It's definitely not as much cursing as most shows but I still am slick disappointed lol. On a petty note, the daughter's baby voice drives me crazy. I have always had a thing about that. Can't wait to see how the season progresses.

 

So glad I'm not the only one to hate her voice! 

[tearsandhysteria]

On 7/21/2023 at 9:54 AM, Tachi Rocinante said:

Good so far.

As much as I appreciate TO, his daughter can't act for shit and brings almost every scene she's in down (she was good in the courtroom).  It also doesn't help that she has the voice of a six-year-old.

Yeah, it's hard to see her as this rebellious teenager that broke a girl's nose when she sounds like she's a 5 year old that wants a cookie. That was bad casting period. i don't care who her daddy is. Every time she talks I think of Able off of Sons of Anarchy. Both of them just ruin every scene. Ugh! 

Edited July 23, 2023 by tearsandhysteria

[madmax]

 

On 7/20/2023 at 12:04 AM, Artsda said:

You would think the daughter of Raylan wouldn't be so stupid believing some random thug looking stranger as a life long friend. 

You would think that given Raylan's history, he would have taught his daughter a code word for strangers.

On 7/20/2023 at 10:22 AM, tv-talk said:

I do wish Boyd was back but to shoehorn him into a story about Detroit "just because" may not have worked well. In the end I wonder if I they just couldnt come to agreement with Walton Goggins? Who knows.

 

On 7/20/2023 at 9:12 AM, seacliffsal said:

I'm hoping that the only way to keep Willa safe is to take her to Harlan County and arrange a furlough for Boyd so he can help Raylan take down the baddies (one can hope).

And, I really hope he doesn't hook up with the lawyer (as I wondered the same thing).  Just too cliche.  And, I don't think every show needs a 'love' interest.

I LOVED Walton Goggins as Boyd, but I truly hope they don't try to shoehorn him into the plot.  Even if they head back to Harlan, there is no logical reason for Boyd to be involved in this show.  And if they do it, it will really suck.

On 7/21/2023 at 10:54 AM, Tachi Rocinante said:

As much as I appreciate TO, his daughter can't act for shit and brings almost every scene she's in down (she was good in the courtroom).  It also doesn't help that she has the voice of a six-year-old.

Nepotism really does suck.  She can't act, I can barely hear her when she talks and when she is audible, she sounds like a child.  Glad I'm not the only one.

[Sailorgirl26]

I'm loving every second of it. 

Boyd Holbrook was the unknown for me because I only knew him as a good guy from Narcos. I was doubtful he was going to convince me he could be play a believable bad guy, but he is nailing it. I would not have recognized him as the actor from Narcos, and to me, that's the sign of a good actor. 

I'm liking TO's daughter in the role -- I'm quite sure that some of the "frustrated dad" looks he gives her are a carry-over from real life, and the meta of it gives me a giggle -- the OG Justified was good like that too -- just those little passing moments that were giggle-worthy. 

Raylan Givens on my screen -- in any city -- is just never a bad thing. And while I doubt Primeval characters will ever come close to the richness of the Harlan County world -- Boyd Crowder as acted through the gift that is Walton Goggins was lightning in a bottle -- I'm all in for every second of this ride. 

 

Edited July 24, 2023 by Sailorgirl26

[paigow]

10 hours ago, Sailorgirl26 said:

Boyd Holbrook was the unknown for me because I only knew him as a good guy from Narcos. I was doubtful he was going to convince me he could be play a believable bad guy, but he is nailing it.

You should watch Logan

[Enigma X]

It's ok but not giving me what I loved about Justified pre final season. I mean, it is a good show also starring TO from the great show Justified. Maybe if the new antagonist wasn't so obvious that part of the reason he is in this is because he has a similar physique to Boyd, it would not make me nostalgic for Boyd. I am sure I am not explaining this well.

Unfortunately, TO's daughter is not a good actress. Sometimes people in the biz need to start with getting their children acting lessons rather than simply getting them roles in their or their friends' shows.

[Puffaroo]

On 7/19/2023 at 3:10 PM, Crashcourse said:

Well, I'm in.  Man, I missed Raylan!

As soon as he told Willa not to leave the room, I knew she was going to...leave the room.  So far, I like her but I hope she doesn't do anything stupid.  

She's already done TWO things stupid! And sorry, I know she's TO's RL daughter, but her face is a blank slate.

[tennisgurl]

I had my reservations about this, and while the show is still clearly feeling itself out in this new place and time, its just so great to see Raylan again! TO really just stepped into those boots like it hasn't been a minute, he's still Raylan but a Raylan who has a few more years on him. 

I don't really mind Willa and I think that TO's daughter is fine. Not great, but she's doing alright and she obviously has natural father/daughter chemistry with her actual dad. She's rather more naïve than I would except a daughter of Rylan to be, trusting that this random clearly sketchy guy was a friend of her dads who he's never met, even if he's also pretty hot in a sleazy way. 

As much as I miss Boyd, I am fine with him not being back. He and Raylan's story together ended on such a perfect note I hope that we leave things as is. 

A tiny bit of Keith David is better than none.

Edited July 25, 2023 by tennisgurl

[callie lee 29]

7 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

I had my reservations about this, and while the show is still clearly feeling itself out in this new place and time, its just so great to see Raylan again! TO really just stepped into those boots like it hasn't been a minute, he's still Raylan but a Raylan who has a few more years on him. 

I don't really mind Willa and I think that TO's daughter is fine. Not great, but she's doing alright and she obviously has natural father/daughter chemistry with her actual dad. She's rather more naïve than I would except a daughter of Rylan to be, trusting that this random clearly sketchy guy was a friend of her dads who he's never met, even if he's also pretty hot in a sleazy way. 

As much as I miss Boyd, I am fine with him not being back. He and Raylan's story together ended on such a perfect note I hope that we leave things as is. 

A tiny bit of Keith David is better than none.

Yeah, I don't mind Willa either. I get her voice can be a bit of putting but ehh, there are worse things. And yeah she's annoying but she's a teenager, it's what they do (and it's also why I don't have any.

 

I do think that Mansell should be lucky it was Raylan and not Winona who found him having dinner with their daughter because funny think she would have stopped with a couple of head wounds. 

[Dowel Jones]

On 7/25/2023 at 12:07 PM, tennisgurl said:

As much as I miss Boyd, I am fine with him not being back.

As long as we're pondering that possibility, maybe the sinkholes in La Brea will malfunction once again and drop Natalie Zea into the mix for a cameo.

[tv-talk]

On 7/23/2023 at 10:30 PM, Sailorgirl26 said:

Boyd Holbrook was the unknown for me because I only knew him as a good guy from Narcos.

You should see him as the Corinthian in The Sandman, played basically a demon serial-killer that inspires legions of 'regular' killers. Really an insane, amazing role.

[DearEvette]

I liked this.  No it isn't the original Justified but that is ok.  It would be weird to have Boyd and Tim just roll up to Detroit just to see them again.

I like that the motivations we saw from the two main criminals -- the guy who was trying to kill the judge and the guy who actually killed the judge -- is that they are just garden variety criminals.  One of a bit of a doof but he was mad at the judge for sleeping with his ma. 

The other one -- the main villain -- was more sinister and obviously a career criminal, but he was just an asshole with impulse control issues.  I like that they  don't fall into the tv trap of being these super clever, super rich,Moriarty types that have a Dr. Evil plan and a lot disposable minions they send out to do their bidding .  I gather we can thank Elmore Leonard for that.

Who in wardrobe hates Aunjanue Ellis?  She is an attractive woman and a year younger that Timothy Olyphant and yet that hair and outfit in court were not flattering and made her look older.  She did look better when she was hanging in the bar and in the 2nd episode in her office, but her outfits were still kinda mumsy.

As far as Willa goes, I  have two problems: 

The character of Willa.  I have a hard time believe that the daughter of Raylan Givens would not have been taught to have a better danger Spidey sense.  Also there is the teenager who does regular teenager dumb things and then there is a teenager who sits in a courtroom and laughs out loud at cat videos, disrupting the proceedings.  My SIL works for a Federal Judge and took my son when he was 10yo to work with her one day and he got to sit in the courtroom.  Even at 10 he knew then how to act right and respectful in a courtroom.

And then there is the actress.  Man she is giving nothing.  If she had auditioned for the part and her last name wasn't Olyphant, I do not believe she would have been cast.  She is just a block, imo.  Also, she doesn't have a good performer voice. There is a reason some silent movie era actors couldn't transition to talkies.  She was giving Lina Lamont (ref: Singing in the Rain). 

But that said, I like the whole vibe and Timothy Olyphant has slid back into Raylan's skin effortlessly.  And, weirdly,  even though I think the main bad guy is an asshole and won't be sorry if he dies in a hail of bullets in the end, the actor plays him well with a kind of oozy charm that I can't get too mad at.

[paigow]

On 7/28/2023 at 8:02 PM, DearEvette said:

even though I think the main bad guy is an asshole and won't be sorry if he dies in a hail of bullets in the end

Mansell never dug coal with Raylan... so this is Mortal Kombat 

ETA: If both survive the Lirpa, combat will continue with the Ahn Woon

Edited July 31, 2023 by paigow

[Zaffy]

Oh dear...
Was this script written because TO wanted his completely talentless daughter to act in a TV show? or the daughter role was written anyway and TO just added his completely talentless daughter  to the cast?
Cause the daughter's presence makes this SO UNREALISTIC that I have trouble to take anything that happens seriously.
Which father in his right mind, nevertheless a US marshal, leaves his 15 years old daughter alone in a Detroit hotel while he is investigating a murder? As far as I know, there is this thing called an airplane that he could use to take his kid back to Florida and then use it again to come back to Detroit to deal with this crime case. Or maybe say "no" to his boss and take the kid to that road trip.
In any case, this whole thing makes both TO and RG look like idiots.

Apart from the kid, I also have a problem with the villain. The omnipotent psycho villain that can do anything, know anything, provoke everyone,  threat anyone and get away with it until, I guess, at the end he will face justice with the help of Raylan.

Among other things, why they did not ask for a warrant to search the bar and instead  they went inside to exchange some whatever dialogue with the owner?

Oh well..

[meeeechiganman]

It's dark and moody hard to see, well Detroit is dark and moody lol, but in reality this was filmed in Illinois not Detroit no doubt better tax write offs there.  None of the original cast except Timothy is in this so no surprise cameos sorry.   I do miss the snarky talkback Nick Searcy and TO had in the original though.  Hopefully this isn't a one season only but with the strike and all who knows.  

 

[Jordan61]

Did I hear wrong or did Willa say she was at conversion therapy camp?

[pezgirl7]

46 minutes ago, Jordan61 said:

Did I hear wrong or did Willa say she was at conversion therapy camp?

Yes, she said that, but I think she was being facetious. I think she’s going to a camp for troubled teens, due to her hitting a classmate, and probably other behavior we don’t know about. 

[chediavolo]

On 7/19/2023 at 4:29 PM, NeenerNeener said:

I'm still kind of blown away by the fact she's actually Olyphant's kid.

Is that how she got the job because she’s. Terrible. So far I can’t stand this show. It’s nothing like the original, but I’ll give it a few more although I’ve heard it doesn’t get any better. If it weren’t for Timothy Olyphant I would have bailed. 
on another note, is anyone getting severely frustrated with this website and all the technical glitches? 

[SeanBug]

On 7/19/2023 at 5:06 AM, thuganomics85 said:

"Raylan Givens!  As I live and breathe!!"

Wasn't quite sure what to think hearing about this because; outside of the majority of season five; the original Justified was one of my favorite shows ever and I thought the ending was close to perfect as one can get.  But I ended up enjoying it quite a bit.  Sure, a lot of it is because any amount of Raylan is good no matter what, but I actually think it helps that this is set in Detroit with a bunch of new characters, so it really does feel like it will be its own thing and not change what transpired in the past.  That said, Willa's line about wanting to go to Harlan to see "where she came from" does make me wonder if we might be heading back there for at least finale time.  And while they're at it, maybe Raylan will pay a visit to a certain inmate in a certain prison that likes his soliloquies...

As soon as Keith David showed up being his normal awesome self, I figured he would be the victim since he wasn't listed as a regular beforehand.  I like that there is no mystery about how his death happened and the story will be about how Raylan and the rest can prove it.  What should be interesting is that they will no doubt try to factor in motive and reason, but his death really was a case of road rage/being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Boyd Holbrook was effectively menacing as Clement, but still carries with him a certain charisma that you can buy he would slip by like he's been doing for so long.  Felt kind of similar to his performance as The Corinthian in The Sandman, so I guess this is his thing now!

I wonder how things with Carolyn and Sweetie will play out, since both are working alongside Clement and are part of his schemes, but seemed to be portrayed in a more sympathetic nature.  Sounds like a lot of it is because Clement has something over Sweetie, which is why Carolyn is playing ball.

Willa wasn't the worst compared to a lot of other child characters, but still did a lot of questionable things like wander around the city of Detroit unsupervised and just automatically trust some stranger who claimed he was her dad's buddy.  At the very least keep your phone with you!

Timothy Olyphant really was born to play Raylan Givens.  Nothing much else to add!  

 I liked Boyd in Narcos, I don't like seeing him playing a bad guy.    

I cannot stand Willa, and I thought the daughter in "The Last Thing He Told Me" was my least favorite daughter character. 

The only other character Timothy nailed this well was when he played himself on The Grinder,  and got a starring role in "The Grinder: New Orleans",  playing Mitch's brother, Rake.