S14.E07: This is My Decision Day

[LennieBriscoe]

7 minutes ago, Matty said:

Well, that was awesome. Thank you, Chris, for shutting this farce down. What was up with Alyssa's denim cut-off overalls? That's how she dresses for a meeting with Chris and Pastor Cal? She looked so childish without a hint of style or self-awareness about how utterly foolish she looked. I stopped counting how many times she said "like" after I reached 19 in under two minutes. And just for good times she left with the tag line for her experience "I'm a really Fu**#$ing good person." Dream on.

Now that she's mercifully out of the way and not taking up any more space I thought the other couples are starting to show some real glimpses into where their relationships are headed. K & O and S & N are the couples that seem to feel comfortable around each other. I think the 2 vs 3 kids drama is made a bigger deal for the show's narrative as is the other supposed conflict "my wife has to make home cooked meals everyday or else."

Mark and Lindsay do not respect each other and don't seem to even like each other. Michael and Jazmina do not like each other at all. They are biding their time, paying their dues until the 8 weeks is up. They never laugh with each other or seem to have any fun at all. We'll see, but it seems right now that two couples will say yes on decision day and two will not. A lot can happen from now until that point but that's what my gut is telling me after last night's episode.

I think Lindsey really likes Mark, but is now in self-defense mode, given Mark's post-coital "Let's cool it" posturing. I also think that the Shark is going to have to beg a bit next time, heh. 😉

Chris served a Master Chef dish of cold revenge to Alyssa, and it was delicious to see!

[Emma Snyder]

Hey everyone! While the occasional off-topic comment is fine, the cost of living in Boston is starting to take on a life of its own. If this is something you all would like to discuss further, we have a small talk thread for it. 

[bichonblitz]

Was Alyssa telling her mother that she hoped her husband was or looked like a cowboy? Did I hear that correctly? If she said that then she is living in the wrong part of the country for that. 

[Adeejay]

2 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

I kept yelling at my TV for Chris to stop her and tell her that she NEVER tried. Maybe he did but they edited that part out. Anyway, Pastor Cal didn't want to hear any of her bullshit. That was the fastest goodbye on MAFS history yet!

I believe what made them throw in the towel so quickly with Chris and Alyssa was her telling the crew (on hidden camera) that she "effing hates him." Plus, Chris wanted out and wasn't going to take "No" for an answer. The fact that Pastor Cal didn't try to talk him out of it, led me to believe that he knew about his decision ahead of time.  

[ByTor]

5 hours ago, Rebky said:

I was very surprised that Pastor Cal called Michael condescending and completely overlooked how J spoke to Michael like he was one of her 5 year old students, "Now Michael, we are not about to go there" (paraphrasing). These so-called experts are over paid actors at best.

That was very uncomfortable to watch. To think she called HIM condescending. Hello, pot? There's a kettle I'd like you to meet.

And I seem to be alone in this, but "did you ever live with a woman" to me implies in a romantic, committed sense, not a roommate sense. She came across to me like she was trying to pick a fight. Which would be really stupid, considering how "aggressive" he is 🙄

Edited February 17, 2022 by ByTor

[kristen111]

Not only does Lindsey want to be Marks wife, she wants to control him, plus be his Mother.  She shouldn’t have gone to his apartment and clean up his stuff.  She went in like gangbusters and was in the way.  Let him pick and choose by himself.  This marriage will never last.  She’s too controlling and a pain in the ass.    Her bad traits over ride her good traits.  Plus, she’s a ten all the time and I think she has an alcohol problem.

 

[ByTor]

11 minutes ago, Adeejay said:

The fact that Pastor Cal didn't try to talk him out of it, led me to believe that he knew about his decision ahead of time.  

I totally agree. I think the producers had a talk with him about Alyssa's unacceptable behavior and they gave him the out.

[DrewPaul2010]

1 hour ago, Retired at last said:

If anyone says yes on Decision Day, I don't think any of them will still be together by the reunion. I have decided that Steve can do better than Noi and she needs to grow up and realize that life isn't Fantasy Land.

Sure its not the other way around? She's working and making a living.

[Crashcourse]

Chris looked even cuter to me when he packed up his shit and threw the keys and wedding band on the table.  You go, Chris!  I still don't think his teeth look bad.  

Like Alyssa, Jasmina thinks she's so hot and, therefore, deserves a hot guy.  Unlike Alyssa, Jasmina is beautiful but, so far, I've only seen the beauty on the outside.  She's not pleasant and she always looks like she just finished sucking on a damn dill pickle.  

I still don't like drunk assed Lindsey, but I also think Mark is hiding something(s).

[KateHearts]

Ohh, Pastor Cal - you had an opportunity to get straight to the point with Alyssa and you BLEW IT!

Alyssa, here is a list of things to think about:

-just being in the same geographical location (and not flying home) does NOT constitute "putting your all into it"

-telling producers you hate your new husband and calling him an asshole is NOT trying hard.  Nor is placing producers between you and asking them to speak on your behalf

-Refusing to stay in a room with Chris, refusing to talk to him, and then accusing him of being unkind is all kinds of f*$&%ed up. 

-saying "I'm a nice person!" 50 times does NOT make you a nice person. Quite the opposite, as we have seen.

The only thing- only thing! - she said that had any meat to it was that she saw he posted something about defunding the police, which she disagreed with. I get that; but hey- you didn't open a discussion about it or delve into anything regarding beliefs and morals, yet you decide that is a deal-breaker? Oh right- I forgot about his dog. 

Lindsey- she makes me nervous with her overbearing personality and showy virtuous behavior ("we gotta throw the Keurig away; too much plastic.") Mark looks as if he himself is being chased by a shark- his eyes are popping out of his head all the time.  I don't know why he went around and around instead of saying "hey, I like to mull my problems over a bit and figure things out myself- can you give me some space and I'll let you know if I need your advice"? She was kind of right about the run-on sentence. He could have also told her that she showed aggressive behavior on the plane that made him uncomfortable. He kind of did- but I honestly think it didn't bother him that much until he discussed it with the guys, and realized that they thought she had been way out of line.

The other 3 couples are boring to me. O wants a traditional wife, ok. Michael seems broody and apparently "yells" off camera. Noi insists on 3 children. Whatever.

*PETTY ANNOYANCE OF THE WEEK*: ladies, please invest in some good waterproof makeup and stop the skyward eye rolls and dabbing underneath your eyes when you cry, which you inevitably will if you enroll in this nonsense. Watching Alyssa and her "remorse" over being dumped was making me crazy.

Edited February 17, 2022 by KateHearts

[KateHearts]

19 hours ago, Auntie Anxiety said:

I can’t decide if Mother Alyssa looks more like Don Rickles or Sid Caesar in drag.

I got a Tootsie vibe.

[Empress1]

29 minutes ago, ByTor said:

And I seem to be alone in this, but "did you ever live with a woman" to me implies in a romantic, committed sense, not a roommate sense. She came across to me like she was trying to pick a fight.

Yeah, I agree. I’d probably have said “not like that but my roommates are women,” but I don’t interpret that as lying. One of my best friends shared a house for a year with her sister and brother-in-law (like, all 3 were on the lease) but that’s not the same as living with a man, and she probably would have said she’d never lived with a man if someone had asked her that then. I got Jasmina’s point when she said Michael should have chimed in when she told him she had a male roommate, but I didn’t think it was that serious.

Edited February 17, 2022 by Empress1

[DrewPaul2010]

12 minutes ago, kristen111 said:

Not only does Lindsey want to be Marks wife, she wants to control him, plus be his Mother.  She shouldn’t have gone to his apartment and clean up his stuff.  She went in like gangbusters and was in the way.  Let him pick and choose by himself.  This marriage will never last.  She’s too controlling and a pain in the ass.    Her bad traits over ride her good traits.  Plus, she’s a ten all the time and I think she has an alcohol problem.

 

No I think going to the apartment and helping wasn't overly motherly. She was being a trooper  and helpmate however, they both need to be aware they have lived on there own for a long time. They have been making decisions for and by themselves without consulting with anyone. They need to give each other a wide berth. They made it this far in their lives without needing anyone else. It is harder for people mid 30's and on ward to share a life with someone. If they are serious they need to get a real home or bigger place. Her apartment will lead to a murder crime scene. If I was to stat that as they say there odds are at 30% they will say yes in 7 weeks. 10% they are still married by reunion. I've been surprised though. I recall Jamie telling his wife to shut up. I gave that one 20% chance.

[Empress1]

33 minutes ago, ByTor said:

I totally agree. I think the producers had a talk with him about Alyssa's unacceptable behavior and they gave him the out.

I think the out is always there because people have left early. I remember Dr. Viviana straight up telling Mindy she was happy that Mindy had ended it with Zach (which strikes me as unprofessional). 

[lu1535]

What is this creepy ass picture?!?! Nothing good ever came from something peeking around the corner! Can you imagine sleeping there with that creepy kid peeking at you? 🥺

[KateHearts]

15 hours ago, Yeah No said:

It seems like every season we get people with more and more pets.  First they had one, then two, now often both partners have at least 2 or 3 pets each.  It's out of control. 

In my opinion, it's because more and more younger people are pursuing careers and seeking fun before settling down, which often puts them well into their 30s before they marry and consider children. I think the parenting instinct is strong and can be translated onto pets, both as a way to fulfill that instinct as well as to be a "practice" for the real thing. All of my kids have had pets that are like children to them: son had 2 dogs (now has 2 kids); daughter has 3 cats and a dog (expecting first baby), and son who has been in a committed relationship for a few years and- they just got a dog (not ready for marriage or kids yet).

[gingerandcloves]

1 hour ago, bichonblitz said:

Was Alyssa telling her mother that she hoped her husband was or looked like a cowboy? Did I hear that correctly? If she said that then she is living in the wrong part of the country for that. 

Yes, that was kind of strange, Alyssa and her mom expected a cowboy type at the altar. I guess Alyssa was really fixated on what her psychic told her. The mom seems so nice and normal, I keep wondering how she raised someone like Alyssa who is so entitled and narcissistic. Maybe she just never told her no?

[DrewPaul2010]

So my two cents about the Chris and Alyssa saga.

I do feel bad for Chris. He was truly ready to be a married man. His moving into the apartment and her deciding not to co-habit was the final red line. There was no road map available to salvage anything. Apparently she was willing to drag it out but not because there was any chance. When she claimed she was willing to engage he should have said okay when are you moving and when can we go on dates like normal people? Ultimately she ended the marriage within hours of meeting him. I can't stand how she continues to redeem herself. Alyssa... you're not a nice person, you're not a good human being. You're not a decent human being. People in those categories who agreed to do this show would have compassion (if nothing else) for the person they led to this precipice. Can you get more shallow and callous than to judge a person by their teeth? That seemed to be the decision maker for you, from then on you looked for any other excuse. The camera didn't lie you looked like a jerk because you are a jerk.

 

   

[DrewPaul2010]

15 minutes ago, lu1535 said:

What is this creepy ass picture?!?! Nothing good ever came from something peeking around the corner! Can you imagine sleeping there with that creepy kid peeking at you? 🥺

Is it a little creepy you noticed that?

[Stella Rose]

Re: the 'defund the police' accusation - it sounded to me from the talk Chris had with his POLICE officer best friend was that he heard from a friend who heard from a friend that Alyssa said he has posted something to SM about him wanting to defund the police.  The feeling I got was that she glommed onto another thing that someone else said (i.e. the groomsmen saying he liked to debate) as another reason for her to act like a turd.  

Seems like she was just looking for a reason to be a beast.

While getting into the elevator after the wedding:

A:  "I rescue dogs."

C:  "Great, I have a rescue dog I just saved a couple of months ago."

A: "I am allergic to dogs.  Well to your dog, not my dog."

A"  (to producer)  "God, I hate him so much!  He is so threatening! I feel triggered.  Did you see  his hand gestures when he pressed the elevator button?  No way I can stay in the same room with him.  I was ROBBED."

ETA;  Chris - your teeth are fine, you are adorable as-is.  Alyssa is just a hell beast.

Edited February 17, 2022 by Stella Rose

[Ilovepie]

3 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

I can understand the need for some improvement, however why do women always feel the need to change their man for the better? 

I know this was in response to a post about Alyssa & Chris, but my first thought went to Lindsey and Mark. I can't believe she Marie Kondo'd his childhood plate! I'm sorry, but she's known him for five minutes! She talks to him sometimes like she's his mom. "This Keurig is going - bad for the environment." Ok, she's not wrong, but it's not hers to throw out! I just can't make up my mind about her: Her ride or die attitude about suiting up and heading into the bedbug ridden apartment - yay! Her turning into a condescending boss once they got inside: boo! It's like for every nice thing she does, she turns around and ruins it somehow......

[Racj82]

1 hour ago, ByTor said:

That was very uncomfortable to watch. To think she called HIM condescending. Hello, pot? There's a kettle I'd like you to meet.

And I seem to be alone in this, but "did you ever live with a woman" to me implies in a romantic, committed sense, not a roommate sense. She came across to me like she was trying to pick a fight. Which would be really stupid, considering how "aggressive" he is 🙄

I do think Mike took the living with a woman in a romantic sense. Technically most people have with moms, sisters etc. But, from what we saw, he never verbalized his confusion. Instead he decided to double down and just be like, so what? Who cares?

[Nancybeth]

18 minutes ago, Ilovepie said:

I know this was in response to a post about Alyssa & Chris, but my first thought went to Lindsey and Mark. I can't believe she Marie Kondo'd his childhood plate! I'm sorry, but she's known him for five minutes! She talks to him sometimes like she's his mom. "This Keurig is going - bad for the environment." Ok, she's not wrong, but it's not hers to throw out! I just can't make up my mind about her: Her ride or die attitude about suiting up and heading into the bedbug ridden apartment - yay! Her turning into a condescending boss once they got inside: boo! It's like for every nice thing she does, she turns around and ruins it somehow......

OMG I forgot about the plate! That made me so upset. He's lost his dad, his mom is not doing well, it's nice to keep things around that remind him of his childhood. I consider that sparking joy! Keep two of the plates and use them for special occasions. 

It is a very condescending tone, which I think he even said when Pastor Cal was there. He's not a mystery Lindsey, he's trying to tell you how he feels, you're just not hearing him.

(Oh my god am I getting a crush on Mark??)

[Lindz]

21 hours ago, JenE4 said:

I’m pretty sure Michael took “living with a woman” as sharing a life with a girlfriend. There’s a big difference between that and sharing rent with two other people who happen to women who all have their own rooms and Mike said he’s hardly ever home. Jasmina is just looking to fight with him, as she consistently does. 

Why tho? She told him she lived with men who weren't partners, so why would he assign a different meaning? It's so weird! & then to keep saying she didn't ask & it didn't come up. BS! All he had to do was say, "I thought you meant a girlfriend." But no, he went an odd direction saying he wasn't trying to keep it from her. HELLA WEIRD!!

Edited February 17, 2022 by Lindz

[Auntie Anxiety]

Alyssa only rescues good-looking dogs. With good teeth.

Edited February 19, 2022 by Auntie Anxiety

[Kiss my mutt]

I’m just wondering If Alyssa is going to show up to the reunion and if so, will she have a new chin with her?

[Lindz]

21 hours ago, LennieBriscoe said:

I can believe Michael about his not yelling. Some people think any increased volume is "yelling." 

How about Jas YELLING about Michael yelling?!!!! That was rich!! 😂😂

Edited February 17, 2022 by Lindz

[Stella Rose]

2 hours ago, Kiss my mutt said:

I’m just wondering If Alyssa is going to show up to the reunion and if so, will she have a new chin with her?

I sincerely hope for a new personality, but it's awfully soon for the light to dawn.   That would do about 100% to improve her looks...  

That sad, she will still be a chinless, whiny, nasty little  victim.  (IF) she even comes/stays long enough to put on her act.  More likely she will be asked one question that "triggers' her and she will be out faster than Asshole Chris.  (of Paige and Chris)

 

Edited February 18, 2022 by Stella Rose
clarifying which Chris

[princelina]

 

39 minutes ago, Racj82 said:

I do think Mike took the living with a woman in a romantic sense. Technically most people have with moms, sisters etc. But, from what we saw, he never verbalized his confusion. Instead he decided to double down and just be like, so what? Who cares?

My question is what did they talk about on their honeymoon?  I would think questions about current living situations, including roommates, would be an obvious choice when you are getting to know your new spouse.

 

1 hour ago, DrewPaul2010 said:

 I've been surprised though. I recall Jamie telling his wife to shut up. I gave that one 20% chance.

He also called her "the c word" 🤣

[Jeanne222]

I’m sorry now I didn’t count Alyssa’s ‘like’!

She said it a hundred times and it was exhausting!

[Elizzikra]

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That sad, she will still be a chinless, whiny, nasty little  victim.  (IF) she even comes/stays long enough to put on her act.  More likely she will be asked one question that "triggers' her and she will be out faster than Chris.

So I just got around to watching and... Good Lord, Apocalyssa couldn't even leave gracefully. Chris quietly ends things with "I wish you well" and she can't respond in kind. Then she can't find her phone and as Chris finds it on the sofa, I noticed that she left a used tissue on the sofa. She didn't leave the ring behind either but I doubt she wore it. Maybe she pawned it?

When it comes to ACE's "allergies" and "rescue dogs" - I don't think she fosters dogs (which is fine except that I think she maybe allows people to think that she does). She mentioned a "rescue mission" in passing which made me think that maybe she works with an organization that rescues strays in other countries and has volunteers that fly over, pick up the dog, and fly back with it. I have a friend who works with an organization that works this way in Puerto Rico. I'd guess that Alyssa's interaction with the dog is pretty limited - pick up the dog (who is possibly crated), escort it to wherever it's going, and turn it over to whoever is going to care for it. Or maybe she does social media work for a rescue? In any event, all volunteer labor for rescues is valuable but I don't put it past ACE to lead people to believe that she is hand-feeding starving puppies and comforting them when nightmares wake them in the middle of the night and I don't think that's, in fact, what she is doing.

What was really evident to me is that everyone kept talking about ACE's desire to "be here." That was never the issue. ACE wanted to "be here." She just didn't want to be married to Chris - or anywhere near him for that matter. She wanted exactly the husband she wanted and when she didn't get that (which she decided as soon as she came around the corner and went down the aisle), she wanted the vacation, the apartment, the group activities, and the girl gang. I'm glad she didn't get most of that. I will say that the season is going to be a little more boring with her gone, but I won't miss her. She is a pill.

[StatisticalOutlier]

9 hours ago, Yeah No said:

Maybe there was bad blood between [Chris] and the roommate over the roommate suddenly not having someone to share the rent with them. 

I assume the show pays for the apartments the couples move into, and that they continue to pay their rent on their own places. 

4 hours ago, princelina said:

I thought he said the roommate moved out and left the cat behind?

I can see inferring that, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't said, because I was confused as to why this roommate's cat was an issue at all.  If he'd said the roommate moved out, I wouldn't have been confused; I would have inferred the roommate left the cat. 

44 minutes ago, Nancybeth said:

(Oh my god am I getting a crush on Mark??)

Probably just pity.

[kristen111]

18 hours ago, gingerandcloves said:

I agree. She's worse than he is. I don't know what makes her so miserable.

She is a complete sour puss.  All the time.  I really don’t think it has anything to do with him.

[Madding crowd]

So my general comments: I'm sure the producers took pity on Chris and were fine with his decision to end things but it bothered me that Pastor Cal wouldn't come out and tell Alyssa that he was aware of the hateful things she said about her husband, she made zero effort to get to know him and she has no idea if they are compatible or not. He kind of made it seem like they were just not matched well which is not really the issue!

Lindsey is way too bossy and never shuts up and I don't know who could handle that 24/7. And it is nice she wants to be a mother bear but Mark is not a child and doesn't need her to run his life. And let her try to throw away my Keurig! (there are reusable K cups which are not plastic). That being said there is something kind of sneaky about Mark and I think he has things going on that will probably come up and cause problems between the two.

Steve and Noi: if Steve does not want to sleep with her dog he shouldn't be forced to. I am not a dog person myself and would not want to sleep with one. Noi seems kind of childish and her insistence on having exactly 3 kids is kind of silly. In terms of Steve, he is entitled to do what he wants as far as working/not working but I am surprised someone who wants to have a free lifestyle would go on MAFS because it is more set up for traditional lifestyles and Noi may not be able to provide benefits and salary for their family. 

I think O and Katina are Ok and she will cure him of his "food on the table" ways. I think they really like each other and are both nice people so i wish them well. Jasmina and Michael don't seem to like each other enough to really put in the effort here. i do think he was being evasive saying i have never lived with a woman when he could have easily said, " I have women roommates but never lived romantically with a woman"  Those two could make it if they worked with a therapist on communication but I don't think Jasmina is all that interested in him. 

[Lindz]

On 2/16/2022 at 6:25 PM, Auntie Anxiety said:

Noi has no idea how much work it is to be a parent. How about let’s start with one.

Her rigidity on it was really weird & she has NO IDEA what having one, two, or three looks like. He raised very good points & she didn't consider ANY of them. But she knows they cost money & he should have a job. Riiiite. She looked so stupid. 😆

Edited February 18, 2022 by Lindz

[Leschele]

Man Chris went out with his dignity and grace. Good for him. I honestly wanted him to go off on her but he held back and kept it civil which says mountains about his character. I pray he finds a woman who will love him because he will make a good husband to some lucky lady. 

Alyssa...what a horrible person.  Even Pastor Cal didn't try to keep him from ending this because he's seen the tapes and knows she full of crap and on day 1 wanted a divorce without even giving Chris a chance.

Noi and Steve.  Get a job Steve!! Noi really u can't budge on the # of kids? Smh. Grow up both of you!

O and Katina...they have potential. But damn order out sometimes O!

Mark and Lyndsey...I'm not sure how I feel yet. I like them both but not sure he can handle such a strong opinionated woman. I think he wants to but he's used to doing stuff himself and sure has a hard time allowing her to step in. And yes she needs to learn to take a step back I guess. But she is married. Her mindsight is not we just met. It's I'm your wife so I'm going to do wife stuff. She is all in and just wants him to match her. .

Michael and Jasmina...um he lied! Straight up lied. Smh. I lost respect for him there. If he'll lie over something so miniscule what else will he lie about? Jasmina and him don't seem to have much of a spark but that could build. 

[Lindz]

Jas was seriously STILL hung up on the honeymoon conflicts?!! STILL?!!! SERIOUSLY?!!! GROW UP & MOVE ON! MY GOD! She looked crazy bringing that up & repeating that same crap! 😅😂

[Mr. Miner]

Michael mentioned that Jas didn’t even smile until the fourth day of the honeymoon. I think they have zero chance of staying together, she has chosen to not be a total asshole like Alyssa.

[TzuShih]

21 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

Ice can’t find one positive thing about Chris? I strongly think she is not into this marriage. Or him. 

OK.  I'm going to go "all psychological" re Alyssa and her whole "situation."  Firstly, I think that she and Chris were NOT - in ANYONE's reality! - an honest match.  (Boo 'Experts!)  That said, I question Alyssa's desire to truly WANT to be married.  I don't see her comfortable sharing that "first nite marital bed" with ANY 'match' that was chosen for her.  Which is fine - IF she hadn't made Chris this villainous ogre.   I just get this vibe that she was more "in love" with the 'fairytale' of marriage....(perhaps emulating her friends)…than with an honest desire for a lifetime 'live-in' mate.  I wish the "experts" had done a better 'psych' analysis before choosing this seemingly mixed-up young woman.  (And P.S. I totally "GET" that we are not all meant to be married!  There is nothing wrong with the "single life," and Alyssa should assess what she TRULY wants out of her future -- to work on what DOES make her happy and capable of feeling like the "GOOD PERSON" she perceives herself to be. ) 🤔

[DrewPaul2010]

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So my general comments: I'm sure the producers took pity on Chris and were fine with his decision to end things but it bothered me that Pastor Cal wouldn't come out and tell Alyssa that he was aware of the hateful things she said about her husband, she made zero effort to get to know him and she has no idea if they are compatible or not. He kind of made it seem like they were just not matched well which is not really the issue!

I think he was throwing a hail Mary and see if there was the slightest blip of a terminally ill marriage. Reminding her how shitty she was wasn't going to help.  Chris could have gone for the jugular but he has a lot of class. I'm sure his dating app is going crazy.

 

 

[Lindz]

O said HE was the reason they hadn't had sex. WOW! PLOT TWIST! I didn't see that coming! 😅 WHY didn't PC ask Steve & Noi if they'd consummated their marriage??? 

Edited February 18, 2022 by Lindz

[qtpye]

9 hours ago, essexjan said:

Not intending to get into politics, but the fact Alyssa thought defunding the police meant there'd be no police at all shows what a stupid airhead she truly is. Pastor Cal didn't buy for a minute her attempts to paint herself as a victim, and I got the impression her mother didn't either. The whole 'allergic to dogs' story was bullshit. Chris deserves so much better than her.

She's probably pro-Global Warming because she thinks it will allow her to keep a year-round tan.

 

10 hours ago, Jax7917 said:

I feel like the very first question the experts should ask the participants is : "is not being attracted to someone off the bat a deal breaker?" And then go more into it. Because so far EVERY season, there has been one or more people who can't get past the looks aspect of their new spouse. It's to the point where it's ridiculous because if the person is willing to marry someone they've never seen before, they shouldn't put looks on such a pedastal. You go on tinder to find someone you think is hot, not an arranged marriage show. I get for the producers, it's good for the drama/ratings, but these poor people like Chris , Paige, Mindy, Kate etc. are wasting their time trusting that people have their best interest at heart when they clearly do not.

So, this is my theory.

The people who sign up for this show THINK that they are not superficial.

The ones who are unhappy with their mate usually have a delusional sense of their own attractiveness and are insulted that they were paired with "someone that looks like that".

I am specifically talking about Chris from Atlanta's Chris/Paige and of course, Alyssa from this season.

I thought Chris and Paige were fairly evenly matched looks wise but he thought differently.

In all honesty, I thought Alyssa was quite pretty when we first met her. I thought Chris was average but liked his personality.

I think he is quite intelligent and would have found her limiting had she actually given him a chance.

In other words, he dodged a bullet.

9 hours ago, Racj82 said:

Totally fair. Obviously I'm not a pet person. But, I understand the love and closeness a lot of people have with their pets. While I think it can be a little to obsessive at times, I respect it. But, when you are as rigid as Noi is right now, I have a problem. I'm also sure that the pet really doesn't give a damn long term. Oh no they can't! They won't! You created this dynamic. It's fine when you are on your own but you aren't anymore. 

I will also have this same energy when it comes to how Steve handles his job situation. If he can't bend to her need for security, that's not good either.

I have had 2 dogs when I was growing up that lived to 15 and 17.

I like animals and appreciate how you articulated the disturbing trend of people collecting animals like designer purses.

I was particularly worried about drunken Virginia who partied every night and passed out on couches all the time but had animals that depended on her at home. It was no surprise to me that her dog was not trained and she found that cute.

If you can not properly take care of an animal then please do not have them.

Also, again, why did the experts match a carefree man who does not like picking up doggy poo with a woman who is so attached to her dog?

I forgot...the answer is always...DRAMA!!!!

[Auntie Anxiety]

4 minutes ago, Lindz said:

O said HE was the reason that hadn't had sex. WOW! PLOT TWIST! I didn't see that coming! WHY didn't PC ask Steve & Noi if they've consummated their marriage??? 

I’m really uncomfortable with an expert asking the couples about their sex lives. It’s none of the expert’s business.

[Lindz]

Were ALL the husbands wearing their t-shirts inside out or what? 😅😂

[Lindz]

I'm sorry but Chris disc golfing was the most unsexy thing I've ever seen!!!! The slow-mo did him NO FAVORS!!!! 😂😂😂😂

[Lindz]

21 hours ago, LennieBriscoe said:

"This is my decision day." Quickly followed by "I want a divorce." 🥳

YASSSSSSSS CHRIS!!!!!! THAT! WAS! AMAZING!!!!! He was done entertaining the BS & TOOK CONTROL! I'm sure we all collectively cheered!!! That's right Chris! Don't wait for the "experts" to ask if he wants a divorce days or weeks later! SHUT IT DOWN NOW!!! WOO-HOO!!! He's Heather 2.0!

[Lindz]

18 hours ago, gingerandcloves said:

But she also wasn't truthful when she said she couldn't stay at the new apartment because she had to figure out the dog situation, when really she just wanted space.

YES! She LIED TO HIS FACE, saying she wasn't staying at her apartment to take space! Then tells the camera she's staying at her apartment to take space. WTF?!!! THAT'S MESSED UP!!! I think people who don't stay in their joint apartment don't seem to want to be married. Atl-Chris, Zach, Haley... 🤔 Not looking good.

[JapMo]

I also just had a chance to watch the show.  A few observations:

• Lindsey didn't hear ONE WORD that Pastor Cal was saying. She also didn't really listen to what Mark was saying. She's agreeing with everything but all she's thinking about is what she's going to say.  Her 'take me as I am or go eff yourself' is such a defensive shield that she's protected herself with for so long that she can't drop it for even a second to hear some constructive criticism.  Even though Mark could be the best thing that ever happened to her, this marriage is doomed due to her inability to consider making some changes to her personality.
• Mark still cannot articulate what he really wants to say.  He wants to tell Lindsey that she can be a very mean person and say very mean things and he does not like that...at all.  Instead he says she steamrolls over him.  Which she does, but it's not nearly the problem that her vicious tongue is.  I hated to see in the previews that he stooped to her level when she got mad and said 'go run to your Mommy' and he turned and said 'have another drink'.  Not cool. 
• Loved Pastor Cal's facial expressions as he listened to Alyssa's BS.  And he conveyed to Chris without using any words that he knew Chris was the innocent party and he was sorry they hooked him up with that witch.
• The first thing I'll remember 10 years from now when someone mentions her is the dab-dab-dabbing of her fake tears.  Soooooo annoying.  The lies she told her mother about Chris have all been exposed.  She's going to need some kind of rescue after this.  What a hot mess.   

[Crashcourse]

I thought Mark articulated his feelings to Lindsey very well, and he also made it very clear to her that he didn't like her antics on the flight.  

[JapMo]

1 minute ago, Crashcourse said:

I thought Mark articulated his feelings to Lindsey very well, and he also made it very clear to her that he didn't like her antics on the flight.  

Yes, he did talk about those things, but I still think he's holding back.  When he tells her they need to slow things down, I honestly think he's actually trying to tell her 'you need to slow down and check your personality'.  But he never seems to get it out right.