S19.E02: #Streetwear

[FormerMod-a1]

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In their first individual challenge, the designers take on streetwear, the most relevant and individualized style in fashion; the competitors create breakout looks to catch the eye of their cool guest judge, social media fashion icon, Wisdom Kaye.

Original air date: October 21, 2021

[Surrealist]

I mostly paid attention tonight. But that stuff with Kenneth was bullshit, and I don't even like Meg.

Edited October 22, 2021 by Surrealist

[Thumper]

I called it when they couldn’t decide whose was the worst — don’t send anyone home since Meg already left.

 

[CraftyHazel]

So glad Meg left.  She was too much drama, even for this show.  And on a shallow note, she had an appalling sense of style!  What was with the dingy, poorly fitted bra under a ragged rectangle of fabric with a hole cut for her head??

It was fun to see so much color and pattern in a streetwear challenge.

Katie is definitely Hester Sunshine redux.  I hate that aesthetic, and hope she doesn’t last as long as Hester did.

Prajjé, Aaron, Sabrina, Anna, and Zayden had my favorite looks.  I was really leaning towards Aaron, simply because it felt like something I could have worn at one point in my life, and I could in no way have pulled off Prajjé’s.  But Prajjé’s was beautifully done and a well deserved win.

I feel like Zayden has a really lovely personality, from what we have seen so far.

[DEL901]

I wanted to shake Meg and tell her snap out of it when she was complaining about the pressure…girl, this is only the 2nd challenge.    And then there was her wokeness.   She was talking like an undergrad who has just been exposed to diversity and is desperate to show off her understanding but coming off condos and tone deaf.  Also, her choice of a top with no sides showing off her bra was not a good look   

Regarding the clothes… glad Kenneth is getting a second chance.  And did you notice the look on the face of the woman who designed for a toddler when the Russian woman got praised for mixing prints.  

I didn’t understand the praise for the camo coat….the message was important but I didn’t see anything unique design wise.  I’m good with the look that won, although if I were taller, I’d love to wear the Russian woman’s outfit.  

[Straycat80]

Have they traded models before? Christian suggested it. I’m glad Meg left, the unsewn sides to her top with a view of her dirty looking bra was gross. 
all four top looks were great, very street, any of them deserved the win. I loved Chasity’s look too. I’m glad they finally noticed Katie’s designs are on the clown-ish side. 
I don’t think Katie, Darren and Kenneth are going to last long. 

[SammyBeBop]

Meg was extremely annoying with her performative wokeness but she had a legit point that Kenneth was wrong to ask after a full day of work had already happened.

[Thumper]

Katie’s own clothes and her design aesthetic remind me of Loonette, a character from a kids show called The Big Comfy Couch (many years ago).

Trying to attempt a link, but my tech skills are limited … 😂

Edited October 23, 2021 by Thumper

[LennieBriscoe]

Meg wouldn't  STHU!! That to me was her major flaw, and why I'm glad she and her insufferable pie-hole are outta there!

Aaron was robbed to reward Praje's sad story. 

Edited October 22, 2021 by LennieBriscoe

[WaltersHair]

There's a movie about a giant shark called The Meg. She was such a mess, but had good points that were lost in her un-likeablity. I kept thinking she shouldn't have been asked to switch models in the first place.

The camo coat looked like someone had come along and painted animal blood on the back. No.

There were some middle looks that were bad. The all black outfit was not streetwear and I feel it got a pass for good design. The car wash octopus outfit was not good either.

[BusyOctober]

Meg (??), the red head who can’t shut up and wants to white woman-splain cultural appropriation and racism can STFU.  “Waaaahhh,  I was a chunky white girl who never saw plus size people on teeveeeee!” Oh poor baby…she must have a hell of a hard time…how does she deal with all the PTSD from that tragic childhood?  Thank God Project Runway cast her to speak on behalf of all the brown and black people, and bring their collective suffering to the forefront. 🙄

[DEL901]

2 minutes ago, SammyBeBop said:

Meg was extremely annoying with her performative wokeness but she had a legit point that Kenneth was wrong to ask after a full day of work had already happened.

He hesitated too long.  If he wanted to switch he should have asked sooner, but I think it took him that long to work up to it.  But she reacted poorly.  All she had to say was, “Sorry, dude.   It’s too late”.  

[Surrealist]

8 minutes ago, SammyBeBop said:

Meg was extremely annoying with her performative wokeness but she had a legit point that Kenneth was wrong to ask after a full day of work had already happened.

Thank you. I understood Meg's frustration. Kenneth could have asked her for the trade much sooner than he did. He's just as annoying as she is.

 

[sheshark]

11 minutes ago, LennieBriscoe said:

Meg wouldn't  STHU!! That to me was her major flaw, and why I'm glad she and her insufferable pie-hole are outta there!

Aaron was robbed to reward Praje's sad story. 

Agree and agree.  I loved Aaron’s look last week too!

[Lassus]

Yes, it was late, but Meg was super-jerky shitty passive-aggressive, though.  "Yes you can have my model, but you have to hear me bitch and bitch at you about it.  But it's really important to help you, Jesus you suck for making me help you."

I'm sorry, Kenneth's look was plain bad, I don't care how shitty Meg was.

Edited October 22, 2021 by Lassus

[Straycat80]

13 minutes ago, SammyBeBop said:

Meg was extremely annoying with her performative wokeness but she had a legit point that Kenneth was wrong to ask after a full day of work had already happened.

Agree. Kenneth was in the wrong and Meg should have told him No. maybe PR should have a rule next season that everyone work with the model you start out with, no trading. 

[Maya]

That was a great runway. I barely even understand the fight though. Did they show us the whole thing? I feel like I missed something. 

[Surrealist]

3 minutes ago, Straycat80 said:

Agree. Kenneth was in the wrong and Meg should have told him No. maybe PR should have a rule next season that everyone work with the model you start out with, no trading. 

If Meg had told Kenneth "No," I've no doubt he would have made a stink about that too.

[dbell1]

I’m trying to figure out if I liked any of the designers or looks tonight. 
Aaron’s was a Taylor Swift video outfit. Katie was one clown short of a circus, Cristina was in my bottom, and I think I saw that painted red pleather in the 80’s.

Meg and her tears during meditation got to me last week, stfu and go sew.  And then just say “nope”, you’ve already patterned it out. Christian didn’t help by starting the model switch thing. I liked the past seasons when it wasn’t a dive for cards. Let the winner pick and then do a random draw. 

BUT her constant yapping about how woke she was, I was ready to punch her and I’m an older white woman. The best ally is one NOT trying to narrate someone else’s story.

[Lassus]

I can't come close to remembering anyone's name, but our favorite look of the night was one of the safe ones, the gorgeous asian model with the amazing reveals was the most striking moment of the runway.

And I agree with above, it was a great runway.  

Lastly, the winner should have been the Russian and her cascading blue outfit.  The jacket that won had a BEAUTIFUL painting on it, but as a complete piece of fashion, it wasn't really close to the best thing on the runway tonight, in our opinion.

Edited October 22, 2021 by Lassus

[Kitty Redstone]

I was rooting for Zayden and am disappointed he didn't win. 

Don't even know where to begin with the ugliness in the workroom.  If Meg has (as someone, maybe Chasity?) some unresolved biases that she didn't like confronting, maybe she will recognize them now and work on them.  Maybe Prajje, Kenneth and the white male model will do the same about their biases toward women.  And maybe Kenneth will learn how to tell mansplainers like Prajje that he can speak for himself.  And maybe Prajje will tell people like Meg who think of themselves as white saviors that he doesn't need to be saved by them, and tell them what he really does need and expect, instead of inserting himself into a situation that wasn't about him and making it about him.  Everyone involved should have handled themselves better.

Hoping the interpersonal conflicts end here.  I just want to see cool, creative people make great clothes.

 

11 minutes ago, dbell1 said:

I liked the past seasons when it wasn’t a dive for cards. Let the winner pick and then do a random draw.

Oh yes, I wish for this as well!

[Lassus]

5 minutes ago, Kitty Redstone said:

Everyone involved should have handled themselves better.

Yes.

[Surrealist]

11 minutes ago, Kitty Redstone said:

Don't even know where to begin with the ugliness in the workroom.  If Meg has (as someone, maybe Chasity?) some unresolved biases that she didn't like confronting, maybe she will recognize them now and work on them.  Maybe Prajje, Kenneth and the white male model will do the same about their biases toward women.  And maybe Kenneth will learn how to tell mansplainers like Prajje that he can speak for himself.  And maybe Prajje will tell people like Meg who think of themselves as white saviors that he doesn't need to be saved by them, and tell them what he really does need and expect, instead of inserting himself into a situation that wasn't about him and making it about him.  Everyone involved should have handled themselves better.

🎯🎯🎯

Edited October 22, 2021 by Surrealist

[CherryMalotte]

Oh PR I've been with you since the middle of season one.  By now I can tell in ten minutes who will will be cannon fashion fodder and out in the first few episodes.  This is not shaping up to be one of the better seasons.  I reserve the right to be surprised later, but if I am I'll be surprised for being surprised.

Glad the big mouthed gal is gone, if for no other reason she was going to suck serious oxygen out of the show.  The whole debacle doesn't speak well for any of the designers involved.   

[Pattycake2]

I think everyone was annoyed by Meg’s incessant yapping and that’s why they supported Praije’s bullying.  I do think Praije would have given Meg a hard time if she had just said no. However Meg should have just said no and ignored the comments.  Praije should have kept out of it. Kenneth shouldn’t have asked to switch models and, for goodness sake, he needed to stop acting like Meg stabbed his puppy while the rest of the designers gathered around and escorted the dog over the rainbow bridge.  I’m looking forward to some of the designers getting the stuffing knocked out of them.

[LennieBriscoe]

So the winning look was very Haiti-specific. I suppose the argument could be made that the outfit could be personalized any which way, date, and painting, but selling wasn't part of the challenge. 

Quirky Colors Lady must be wondering why she was chosen for the show. 

Meg was extra hot under her collar because Christian had let her know that 50 Shades of Beige and Brown weren't going to cut it. 

[Thumper]

I know Christian meant well, but they should just make a rule that contestants can’t switch models.  That’s just one more added stress for them.

[LennieBriscoe]

2 minutes ago, Pattycake2 said:

I think everyone was annoyed by Meg’s incessant yapping and that’s why they supported Praije’s bullying.  I do think Praije would have given Meg a hard time if she had just said no. However Meg should have just said no and ignored the comments.  Praije should have kept out of it. Kenneth shouldn’t have asked to switch models and, for goodness sake, he needed to stop acting like Meg stabbed his puppy while the rest of the designers gathered around and escorted the dog over the rainbow bridge.  I’m looking forward to some of the designers getting the stuffing knocked out of them.

Meg could not have refused, not after her verbose "I'm so woke, you can't believe" BS. She made the bed she didn't want to sleep in, so she quit! 

[Cotypubby]

10 minutes ago, LennieBriscoe said:

Meg could not have refused, not after her verbose "I'm so woke, you can't believe" BS. She made the bed she didn't want to sleep in, so she quit! 

And on top of all that, her design was going to have “There is only one race- the Human race” written on the back of her outfit! Like, geez ok sure, you are the most woke White person ever. Let’s hear you talk about it some more!

I will for sure not miss having to see her dingy bra through opens sides of a piece of fabric anymore. 

Edited October 22, 2021 by Cotypubby

[LADreamr]

44 minutes ago, Kitty Redstone said:

Maybe Prajje, Kenneth and the white male model will do the same about their biases toward women.

I was glad she called out that BS. Women are never allowed to express themselves without punishment from some people, and for the most part, it goes unchecked.  She could have handled everything better, but he was definitely wrong to ask so late.  If someone had expected him to give up his model so late in the challenge, I don't think it would have gone down well with him, either.

[MuMuGuy]

Meg was justified in being annoyed and/or angry about Kenneth waiting until the models were in there to ask for a switch, but her tirade was humiliating (towards Kenneth) and unprofessional, especially in front of the rest of the designers and all the models. Like Chasity said, Meg could’ve easily said “No, it’s too late.”
 

What really got me was that she tried to play the “I’m Just a Female” card when the model said she better not yell at him. Meg showed how weak she was for bullying Kenneth after Prajj bullied her. Kenneth is old enough that he should be able to stick up for himself. 
 

If Darren is in the bottom next week, he needs to be tossed automatically. He basically didn’t do anything except smoke cigarettes last week and Bones had to bail him out.

[candall]

Wow.  No kindness, no generosity or compassion for Meg, who was really not psychologically equipped for this competition in the first place. 

She talked too much and she was annoying, but she'd probably want to go home and cut her wrists if she heard people say she thought of herself as a "white savior" or accused her of effecting the hubris to explain cultural appropriation to brown and black people.

She was just a socially inept, emotionally fragile woman who made the horrible mistake of thinking being on Project Runway made her the same as all the other cool kids.

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[MuMuGuy]

25 minutes ago, LennieBriscoe said:

Meg was extra hot under her collar because Christian had let her know that 50 Shades of Beige and Brown weren't going to cut it. 

Meg went full Gretchen Jones at that point. Like Gretchen, fat ass couldn’t take any constructive criticism without getting pissy about it. If someone has such thin skin, they don’t need to be in the fashion and modeling industries

[Kitty Redstone]

3 minutes ago, LADreamr said:

I was glad she called out that BS. Women are never allowed to express themselves without punishment from some people, and for the most part, it goes unchecked.  She could have handled everything better, but he was definitely wrong to ask so late.  If someone had expected him to give up his model so late in the challenge, I don't think it would have gone down well with him, either.

Yes, agreed.  I think the guys' attitude toward her, not only as a woman but a non-stick thin woman, was part of the problem.

@candall I actually do have some compassion for Meg.  She was not prepared for the psychological stress of the competition, and that's no criticism.  However, she really did epitomize the sociological concept of white savior during sketch time.  No one needs to cut their wrists over it; just learn from it. 

[bourbon]

Meg's woke rant to Prajje was annoying, but that was some bullshit right there. Wait until the last minute to swap on some BS "I design Asian inspired wear" story. And I call bullshit on the other contestants saying all Meg had to do was say No to Kenneth's request to switch models. Had she said that, they would have called her a selfish racist bitch. She was in a no win situation. Her best (and only) play would have been to bite her tongue, smile through gritted teeth and give Kenneth her model. The only person attacked was Meg, and I don't even like Meg. Prajje took advantage of a volatile situation to isolate Meg, and everyone jumped on the woke bandwagon. Prajje and Kenneth and anyone who clucked their tongues about how awful Meg was can't go home too quickly for me. 

Edited October 22, 2021 by bourbon

[nokat]

2 hours ago, CraftyHazel said:

So glad Meg left.  She was too much drama, even for this show.  And on a shallow note, she had an appalling sense of style!  What was with the dingy, poorly fitted bra under a ragged rectangle of fabric with a hole cut for her head??

A ratty bra under that square of fabric?  And this was after schooling a black man about racism.  I wanted her to STFU.

[Surrealist]

1 hour ago, LADreamr said:

I was glad she called out that BS. Women are never allowed to express themselves without punishment from some people, and for the most part, it goes unchecked.  She could have handled everything better, but he was definitely wrong to ask so late. If someone had expected him to give up his model so late in the challenge, I don't think it would have gone down well with him, either.

No, it wouldn't have.

And Kenneth would have bitched about it to anyone who would listen.

[GaT]

Aaron was robbed.

Something about this season seems off to me, it doesn't feel like Project Runway, it feels like a show that's imitating Project Runway.

[Surrealist]

3 minutes ago, GaT said:

Something about this season seems off to me, it doesn't feel like Project Runway, it feels like a show that's imitating Project Runway.

I feel the same way. I can't put my finger on why this season feels off.

[Feline Goddess]

Kenneth didn’t even need an Asian model for the hot mess he sent down the runway. It would’ve looked just as tragic if he’d kept the white guy.  I wish he’d been aufed. 
 

 

[SemiCharmedLife]

It seems to me that Prajje inserted himself into the Meg/Kenneth situation, making everything worse.  I couldn't quite figure out why he was so passionate against Meg; even though she was tone deaf during their morning discussion, she was supporting him.  Meg didn't want to change models, but felt she needed to do so to appear supportive,  but the price to pay was to get an earful about how late in the process it was.  I think she realized this competition may be too intense for her and it was best to bow out.

[Vermicious Knid]

Katie designs for a demented Raggedy Ann. Never heard of the TikTok guy and he left no impression.

One of those looks was definitely based on a kimono, and while interesting was not street. But they will always allow something they like a pass even if it's not true to the challenge. Mimi's outfit, I don't remember which designer, it was also very cool so it also got a pass. Although the patchwork safety vest really was awful and they would never put a well made design on par with it.

I am baffled by the love for Katie's jacket.

[BlueHawk]

Meg recognized at last that she was not emotionally equipped to be there & good for her. She must have a hard time with life. Once she sees herself wearing that appalling dirty looking bra on broadcast television she'll likely be mortified. And folks in OK will be merciless about it to her.

Zaydens face when he suddenly found himself between Meg and Prajje (sp) yelling at each other was priceless & hilarious! I rewound that scene 3 times the laugh I had was so good! Hope he sticks around --- funny and grounded is definitely needed.

Based on this episode I do not care for Prajje.  Found him snotty and unnecessarily mean. But the painting on his jacket was great!

I agree that   there is something off with this season. They need to restore some routine practices from previous seasons. Don't miss Karlie  tho'

I loved Kristinas look ---Asian street wear I could totally imagine in Saigon or Tokyo.  & liked seeing DD back this year. They're a great model. Always kills it when they walk.

This was a really good runway. Lots of talent this year.

Edited October 22, 2021 by BlueHawk
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[Lassus]

4 hours ago, GaT said:

Something about this season seems off to me, it doesn't feel like Project Runway, it feels like a show that's imitating Project Runway.

Time will tell for all of us couch experts, but to me this one seems BETTER than a lot of what we've had recently (the past five years), so.  We'll see?

[raven]

That was some ugly runway.   What is it with dangly things on clothes?  This is what I get for not being young and hip and cool - the only adjectives allowed on PR.

I didn't realize the show was back and turned in for this one, lol.  I turned it off at the judges' disingenuous "something happened?  we had NO IDEA.  Oh someone, please tell us about the work room drama we didn't know about"   Sure thing, judges.

Love ya Christian but you should not have asked for the model switch.  Like that designer (sorry, first ep, don't know everyone's name) would have told you no.  He's the mentor or whatever his title is and she's gong to say no to him?  Of course not.  It set the tone going forward, though the various bullyings/dramas/meltdowns were not Christian's fault but that of the various players involved. 

 

[Maya]

I liked the dark blue crop top and pants combo by Shantell (?) I wish they’d show more of the other designers’ work. 

 

[cinsays]

24 minutes ago, raven said:

That was some ugly runway.  

Love ya Christian but you should not have asked for the model switch.  

 

Guess I am just too old to understand street wear, but, yeah, mostly ugly stuff.

If they insist on having the designers grab cards randomly to pick their models, then that guy should have made his move and picked the one he wanted or talked to Meg right away.

Christian should not be interfering with the process in this way, just give guidance on designs the contestants are working on. 

[jacksgirl]

1 hour ago, Lassus said:

Time will tell for all of us couch experts, but to me this one seems BETTER than a lot of what we've had recently (the past five years), so.  We'll see?

For me. PR really gets good when they get down to about 8 designers

 Too many people right now to really see the process. Am sticking around for a bit.

Also re Meg. I think she meant no ill will or malice. She was saying (over and over) that she was an ally. I get her struggle, but she could have said it much better. 

Edited October 22, 2021 by jacksgirl

[BloggerAloud]

I did not enjoy Meg at all but one thing I thought was weird was Christian telling her back at the design studio that he thought the color palette was boring essentially. Like yes, telling her at MOOD made sense because she could change her mind and switch fabric. But once you're back at the place, cutting and designing, how helpful is that critique at all. I think that added to how rattling.

I thought the overall, the argument really crystalized how things can spiral out of control with people and their various privileges (being a man vs. being a woman, black vs. white, etc.) go sort of unchecked and left to chaos.

[LennieBriscoe]

Unwittingly and ironically, Meg articulated the major flaw in the Switching For Cultures contre-temps, to wit:

Two male designers ultimately got the male models they felt would help show their, the designers', Street Wear in a culturally authentic way. Indeed, one designer (Kenneth) stated he wanted a model who looked like him (so he could have his motif of "Rich Crazy Asian").

Meg, however, was not given as a model that "big woman" that she specifically lamented not seeing in the media. 

She was going to have a slim male model no matter what.

PR might be Woke, but it can also be Asleep at the Wheel. 

 

 

Edited October 22, 2021 by LennieBriscoe