S13.E09: The Salem B.... Trials

[Bluesky]

21 hours ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

Leah keeps projecting with her insults.  She's a Karen that is hostile, judgmental, tattles on everyone, and jumps to conclusions.

She's what is wrong with people nowadays...same with her stick up her butt sidekick Eboni.  

She screams at Ramona about being what’s wrong with the world while she slowly morphs into a mini-Ramona.  She’s taking her child out of the diverse public school population to go to a private school. She moved to a white neighborhood.  She started on the hideous plastic surgeries.  Dyed blonde hair. She needs to look in mirror before judging anyone else.

[TheCouchPotato]

Can we please replace Eboni with Bershan? I just can’t with her anymore….  

Yes, Eboni, you and Bershan have very different approaches. You’re a condescending BORE and Bershan looks like she can kiki and still get her point across. 
 

[faraway]

9 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

Well, real interns do.   But Sonja's interns learn to pack and run baths so no, they do not. 

Whether interns get paid or not depends on the field they are in. For example, human services interns might not be paid, but interns in a tech field probably would be. At least this is the way it used to be! 

[BrownBear2012]

On 7/6/2021 at 10:05 PM, escape said:

If forcing Leah on viewers wasn't bad enough, now we have boring Eboni with her lecturing and preaching. They are making the show unwatchable. BRAVO should have brought Bershan earlier on.

I so agree...this show IS unwatchable. The constant fighting over political ideology and racial politics is really bringing this franchise down. We all see enough of that on a daily basis either in our own lives or on the news...we watch these shows for some escapism and laughs. Now we have to suffer through Leah's weekly "wokeness" and Eboni's "discussions". Whose idea was it to turn this franchise into a college political science 101 class? I'm all for dumping all these broads at the end of the season and getting a whole new cast. This used to be my guilty pleasure now it's just an hour of agonizing socio/political diatribes and immature sex talk about penis size and dildos. 

2 hours ago, Bluesky said:

She screams at Ramona about being what’s wrong with the world while she slowly morphs into a mini-Ramona.  She’s taking her child out of the diverse public school population to go to a private school. She moved to a white neighborhood.  She started on the hideous plastic surgeries.  Dyed blonde hair. She needs to look in mirror before judging anyone else.

[Feech]

3 hours ago, TheCouchPotato said:

Can we please replace Eboni with Bershan? I just can’t with her anymore….  

Yes, Eboni, you and Bershan have very different approaches. You’re a condescending BORE and Bershan looks like she can kiki and still get her point across. 
 

That is because Bershan is a real person and Eboni is a political construct.

[Bluesky]

8 hours ago, Maximona said:

Systemic racism is a really hard thing to explain to a group of women like the NY Housewives, most of whom have had to game the system to a significant degree to get where they are today. 

I mean, Ramona is the child of immigrants (and it's very possible that English was not her first language), LuAnn grew up in a working class family in Connecticut etc, etc.  I'm sure their first thought when someone starts lecturing them on "priviege" is, Well, nobody handed me a damn thing.  

They don't honestly understand the fact that characters in the books they read as kids are the same color as they are or that authorities of all kinds will automatically view them more favorably than people with darker skin is a pernicious kind of racism embedded in social institutions.

I think if Eboni was clearer on the distinctions between personal racism and systemic racism, she might have a more receptive audience.  As it is, I think Ramona, Lu et al feel like they're being accused of behaivng in ways they honestly don't believe they behave.

Have you been to a bookstore lately? There is no shortage of children’s books with all different ethnicities.  Books on families with two dads, single mothers/fathers, transgender kids, Asian families, Black families, disabled family members, a lot of variety.   Eboni doesn’t like to discuss the progress that has been made. Slowly, but there is progression.  
 

Plus I think all of the NYC housewives are from the Northeast.  Racism is more subtle than the South where Eboni grew up.   It’s easier not to be aware of it. 

[Feech]

Do you guys think that when Sonja met the twins at the tattoo parlor…she was thinking… hmmmmm twins……you don’t scare me….. hey Jimmie have you ever seen a grown Real Housewife naked?

[MrsWitter]

17 hours ago, Normades said:

I'm sure Coco Chanel would have thought that was very chic. 🙄

Is someone going to tell Leah that Coco was a Nazi sympathizer/agent? I’m not sure this bodes well for her conversion to Orthodox Judaism (which has just being going swimmingly thus far, I assume).

16 hours ago, bkathi said:

I strongly dislike Leah and wouldn't mind seeing her move to Chicago and marry Scott.

I LOVE this for BOTH OF THEM!

13 hours ago, njbchlover said:

I'm wondering if Leah was not on the show, would Eboni be as preachy/teachy?  I think Eboni gets confidence from Leah being her pitbull, so that is why she continues to preach.  Perhaps if Leah wasn't so agressive as a "back-up" for Eboni, Eboni would lighten up a little and have some fun.

I know I’m probably driving some of you crazy with my repetitive PSA, but, on behalf of a horribly maligned “breed” of dog that suffers tremendously because of stigma: stop comparing noxious humans to pitbulls. 

11 hours ago, Persnickety1 said:

Flashback to Sonja's meltdown when Cindy Barshop had to cancel lunch at Cipriano because she broke a tooth.  Sonja had probably been looking forward to that free lunch for days and Cindy's damned broken tooth ruined it for her!  😂

We all know Sonja is never one to let a broken tooth interfere with her fun! 

 

Edited July 8, 2021 by MrsWitter
Adding gifs!

[Hangin Out]

On 7/7/2021 at 12:43 AM, mbaywife123 said:

Based on the comments it would appear that I am not missing anything by no longer watching this season and also saving myself a frustration headache. Leah, her sister and Eboni need to go ASAP, (too bad that this season is already in the cans, paid for and edited so it will most likely continue on thru the reunion shows). Sounds like SonJa also need a little time ou

I think Braunwin and Kelly aren’t coming back on the OC, so maybe Leah and Ebony won’t either.  These two are just as bad, or even worse IMO.  Clean house why don’t you Bravo?

[Baltimore Betty]

11 hours ago, Bluesky said:

She started on the hideous plastic surgeries

I cannot stop looking at Leah's boobs in her talking heads, they seem to be fused together at the top of her cleavage, just something is not normal looking.  

All the little bits of work on her face, nose job and botox, fillers, what have you, she is very bland looking.

 

[byrd]

16 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

Ramona is a self-made woman and her money does not come from pinot grigio 😉

Ramona started a company called RMS Fashions, Inc. According to Bustle, Ramona's dad gave her $70,000 with the idea that she would become an entrepreneur. Ramona was 30 at the time and started RMS Fashions, Inc. When retailers have too much inventory, the company purchases it and then has discount stores buy it.

Bustle reported that Ramona was able to give her dad back that money after a month.

The publication also says that Ramona attended Fashion Institute of Technology and even worked 30-hour work weeks and got a student loan when her dad wouldn't pay for it. Although he did give her cash to put toward her company, he wasn't supportive of her getting a bachelor's degree in business.

Ramona and Mario married six years after she started what became RMS Fashions. True Faith, TruRenewal and Ramona Pinot Grigio were projects that she worked on and marketed through her presence on Housewives.

I admire her entrepreneurial spirit and her work ethic but also her good time personality. She should have gotten the twins and the fortune teller to Turtle Time with her.  That would have been infinitely more entertaining than what the producers gave us!

Thanks for the update, but maybe I missed all of that or they did not mention all of her accomplishments on the show.  I never bothered to research her background, only listening to what comes out of her mouth and what the producers show us.   THANKS AGAIN.

Edited July 8, 2021 by byrd

[Lastwaltz]

On 7/6/2021 at 10:27 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:

Ramona not understanding why someone would care about racism if they've been successful in life is moronic in my opinion.

Ding! Yep, that's it right there. 

[Boo Boo]

1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I cannot stop looking at Leah's boobs in her talking heads, they seem to be fused together at the top of her cleavage, just something is not normal looking.  

All the little bits of work on her face, nose job and botox, fillers, what have you, she is very bland looking.

 

What's funny to me is I see very little difference in her now than when she first started.  She spent a lot of money to look virtually the same.  And bland.  I don't even think her body is that great.  

[Shauna]

1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I cannot stop looking at Leah's boobs in her talking heads, they seem to be fused together at the top of her cleavage, just something is not normal looking.  

All the little bits of work on her face, nose job and botox, fillers, what have you, she is very bland looking.

 

Agreed.  Every time she's in that talking head with that pink dress/top I, first, watch for a nip slip and 2) look at the center of her chest.  It is so odd looking.  Some plastic surgeon really did her wrong. 

[Lastwaltz]

On 7/6/2021 at 11:04 PM, Feech said:

Eboni is basically an anti-white racist.

The simple way to determine if this is true is to replace “white” with “black” and see if what she says is acceptable discourse.

I think not.

That's quite a stretch unless you've fully researched her podcasts, appearances, writings, etc. Just as it's not fair for Eboni to call the others white supremacists, it's not fair to label her a racist of any kind. 

[Lastwaltz]

On 7/7/2021 at 10:23 AM, WhatAmIWatching said:

I heard this a lot during the election. If one voted R, they were automatically racist and a lot of other 'ists'. It was hard to separate the politics and issues from the one at the top.        

  There was just so very much going on at that time, so I do slightly give a pass for Eboni's stance, because I also felt strongly about things I was hearing and seeing at the time.  

I was just going to make a similar comment. This was in November and this sort of stuff was top of mind for many. It was a tumultuous time (still is). 

[Lastwaltz]

16 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

In fact, I was actively taught that the melting pot idea is harmful. 

Wow, really? Can you remember more about the context? In the 60s growing up, I learned that it was one of the shining examples of what makes this country unique. Something to be proud of. I'm fascinated that this changed over time...

[WhatAmIWatching]

16 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I was never taught this in school so I can't help but be curious.  In fact, I was actively taught that the melting pot idea is harmful.  Was this melting pot theory taught in multiracial schools?  Or just schools with mostly white children?  Because if it's the latter, maybe you can see why it's no longer taught?  People keep bringing it up but..... I feel like that idea is no longer useful?  I feel like that melting pot idea cannot be that new.  I didn't go to elementary school recently, this was decades ago.  So is it really a case of trying to keep up at this point?  

I went to a very diverse California grade school in the 70's and we were taught about the melting pot being a good thing. We also had that Schoolhouse Rock show that played on Sat am's about it, which was also shown to us in classes, and Yes!! I definitely *do* understand, and agree, why it's no longer taught.

   I quite sloppily and clumsily was trying to express that we were heavily taught certain things way back when, and had to unlearn/replace them as the world has evolved.  I meant to separate the Sutton/Crystal thing from my own experience of initially not knowing what the 'align with white supremacy' phrase meant, and taking a sec to learn Eboni wasn't calling the others white supremacists.

  That's why I wondered if possible generational differences are causing some of the resistance/conflicts? Or Is it insulation? Stagnation? Because, on both shows, it seemed like the older generation holds outdated views vs the younger one. Did they need a moment to take in and process what they were hearing so they could really understand and update their thinking? (Except on both shows, on one side there was defense instead of listening, and on the other side some exasperation. A little patience on both sides might help.) 

   For some years now, the move to finally become a more inclusive and equal society (not only regarding race) has been amazing, and has also involved learning new terms, (or new meanings to them), discarding others, revisiting/revising previous beliefs and teachings, and yes, that feels (at first) like trying to keep up at times, along with fear of making mistakes, even when onboard with it all. Sometimes changes, even when essential and for the greater good, can be a little daunting, and take a little time, even when one is open to it. (Am I explaining better at all or did I make hash of it again?)

[Feech]

55 minutes ago, Lastwaltz said:

That's quite a stretch unless you've fully researched her podcasts, appearances, writings, etc. Just as it's not fair for Eboni to call the others white supremacists, it's not fair to label her a racist of any kind. 

Blaming another race for your struggles and problems is the essence of racism. Eboni ascribes all of the problems to a group causation and never takes into account individual actions or accountability.

She spouts off the phrases and buzz words like “white fragility” and never holds individuals responsible for their own actions. Group guilt is her stock in trade in her racialist kabuki theater. This is what they do on cable news not the Real Housewives. Hopefully she can translate this debacle into a gig where she can once again play the angry black woman who blames all of her problems on another race.

Because the true “fragility” is the ratings of the RHONY. She is driving the nails into the coffin on this trip to Salem. Ironic isn’t it?

Eboni and irony.

[Lastwaltz]

16 minutes ago, Feech said:

Blaming another race for your struggles and problems is the essence of racism.

I don't want to argue with you, Feech, but this is how racism is defined. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

53 minutes ago, Lastwaltz said:

I don't want to argue with you, Feech, but this is how racism is defined. 

Thank you!

[lamujerdecente]

On 7/7/2021 at 12:26 PM, biakbiak said:

She has talked about it on various podcasts. She got scholarships, loans and did pageants where she had to borrow things to help pay for school, etc. 

 

True but that puts her in the same position as Ramona and Lu. Lu was raised working class with very little money. That doesn't mean she grew up in extreme poverty either. In sense of economic class she is the same as Sonja, Lu and Ramona. 

I think Eboni is being encouraged as Leah is to go after Ramona because everyone knows Ramona is an asshole, def not racially sensitive and an easy person to get to say some foul ass shite. I think Heather's comment about "articulate" said much more about how racial attitudes are not always in your face and can be said and performed by folks who don't think they are racist. That was much more a "teachable" moment than Eboni's Harlem Lesson and her baiting the Jerk off that is Ramona Singer. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

removing

Edited July 8, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[lamujerdecente]

19 hours ago, Persnickety1 said:

Flashback to Sonja's meltdown when Cindy Barshop had to cancel lunch at Cipriano because she broke a tooth.  Sonja had probably been looking forward to that free lunch for days and Cindy's damned broken tooth ruined it for her!  😂

After watching this episode, I've concluded Sonja is the Rinna of Beverly Hills...no loyalty to anyone except that Bravo paycheck (and the free meals that come with it).

OMG that's when Cindy's ship sailed! Sonja was like this trick messed with my free food ? She's going down. 

[Feech]

Leah and Eboni are conspiring to destroy this franchise from within.

Ramona is a surrogate for the audience as she walks away from this boring wokefest. As other posters have noted the ratings are on a steep downward trend.

Edited July 8, 2021 by Feech

[biakbiak]

11 minutes ago, lamujerdecente said:

True but that puts her in the same position as Ramona and Lu. Lu was raised working class with very little money. That doesn't mean she grew up in extreme poverty either. In sense of economic class she is the same as Sonja, Lu and Ramona. 

I didn’t say that it did. I was responding to you saying that she came from privilege and used the examples of Whitley Gilbert and Denise Huxtable, two fictional character who grew up in affluent two parent households, as what her childhood was like and I was pointing out that neither the affluence or having a relationship with her father were true of Eboni’s childhood.

Edited July 8, 2021 by biakbiak

[lamujerdecente]

Just now, biakbiak said:

I didn’t say that it did. I was responding to you saying that she came from privilege and used the examples of Whitley Gilbert and Denise Huxtable, two fictional character who grew up in affluent two parent households, as what her childhood was like. 

I was being sarcastic but I do find her voting suspect for how "fight the power" she is being. I hope she elaborates on that.  This is based on my experience and my opinion. 

[Lastwaltz]

14 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I think it's because I grew up in Canada. 

Haha! Yes, that would explain it :) I shouldn't have assumed US citizenship! 

[eclectcmoi]

3 hours ago, Shauna said:

Agreed.  Every time she's in that talking head with that pink dress/top I, first, watch for a nip slip and 2) look at the center of her chest.  It is so odd looking.  Some plastic surgeon really did her wrong. 

In that talking head, her chest looks beyond fake and reminds me of the Halloween costumes with the plastic breasts. 

[Shauna]

25 minutes ago, eclectcmoi said:

In that talking head, her chest looks beyond fake and reminds me of the Halloween costumes with the plastic breasts. 

It's so weird.  Also looks like ones of those life sized sex dolls. 

[BrownBear2012]

5 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I cannot stop looking at Leah's boobs in her talking heads, they seem to be fused together at the top of her cleavage, just something is not normal looking.  

All the little bits of work on her face, nose job and botox, fillers, what have you, she is very bland looking.

 

Funny how Leah sees herself as better than the other women...yet she's exactly like them. As others have pointed out, she's as vapid and self absorbed as they are. The plastic surgeries and other cosmetic work, moving to a "better" neighorhood, putting her kid in private school, partying with celebs. She's a joke. As for her political/social "awareness"...I would like to know how many marches she's been to, how many political campaigns has she volunteered for, how many phone banks has she worked, how many rallies has she ever attended....I'm guessing ZERO. Until you've actually participated in activism then don't preach to others about something you just talk about but don't actively involve yourself in. She's a "Latte Liberal"...all talk over her cappuccino but no action in real life.

[KoKo]

On 7/7/2021 at 8:31 AM, A-Lo said:

I don't blame Ramona one bit for getting up and leaving that whole scene.  Dealing with Eboni and/or Leah is a no-win situation.  What makes them feel so superior to the rest of the women? 

I put Leah on the same level of Hot Mess Braunwyn from RHOC !   They are both attention whores, feeding off of high level drama with agitation from substance and/or alcohol abuse.  Whoever "has the floor" regardless of the situation or topic, Leah is going to be all over it-just like Braunwyn- and puts her crude, crass bitchfest spin on it !  Whenever she's on, I'm speeding through the recording ~which is why I refuse to watch RHNY real time!!!   I can't take her serious for a minute

[Persnickety1]

2 hours ago, Feech said:

Leah and Eboni are conspiring to destroy this franchise from within.

Ramona is a surrogate for the audience as she walks away from this boring wokefest. As other posters have noted the ratings are on a steep downward trend.

I'm likely at a table for one and destined to be kicked out of the proverbial restaurant, but had I been the recipient of Eboni's "white supremacist" shade, I'd have told her in no uncertain terms to go fuck herself for even considering to use that vile term and my name in the same breath.  

I'd then immediately turn to Leah and say, "Hey, how's grandma doing?  You don't seem too worried about her tonight.  You can go fuck yourself, too." 

I'd be kicked off the housewives show, but damned if I wouldn't be breathing a sigh of relief that I was out of this shitshow.  

Edited July 8, 2021 by Persnickety1

[mwell345]

On 7/7/2021 at 8:17 AM, OFDgal said:

Same here.  I stopped watching a few episodes ago.  I am still reading this forum to see if anything has changed.  Since I'm from Boston, I wanted to watch this episode.  After reading my fellow posters opinions, I'm glad I didn't.  Bravo needs to get rid Leah and Eboni in order for me and others to come back and watch.  I don't need lectures.  I need fun. 

And same here.  If all I’m missing is a lecture, I’ll continue to pass.  But where oh where is Bethenny when you need her?

[RedDelicious]

31 minutes ago, mwell345 said:

And same here.  If all I’m missing is a lecture, I’ll continue to pass.  But where oh where is Bethenny when you need her?

Well right now she's dry humping Paul in Italy, so..

 

😁

[Lemons]

3 hours ago, BrownBear2012 said:

Funny how Leah sees herself as better than the other women...yet she's exactly like them. As others have pointed out, she's as vapid and self absorbed as they are. The plastic surgeries and other cosmetic work, moving to a "better" neighorhood, putting her kid in private school, partying with celebs. She's a joke. As for her political/social "awareness"...I would like to know how many marches she's been to, how many political campaigns has she volunteered for, how many phone banks has she worked, how many rallies has she ever attended....I'm guessing ZERO. Until you've actually participated in activism then don't preach to others about something you just talk about but don't actively involve yourself in. She's a "Latte Liberal"...all talk over her cappuccino but no action in real life.

I also wonder how many Black men or Latino men she dated.   The younger women I know in NYC have all dated men of different races.  It's a diverse city outside of the UES, UWS and the Financial District.  

[Feech]

43 minutes ago, Lemons said:

I also wonder how many Black men or Latino men she dated.   The younger women I know in NYC have all dated men of different races.  It's a diverse city outside of the UES, UWS and the Financial District.  

They are too smart to deal with her.

See Michael Che.

[Stats Queen]

2 hours ago, Persnickety1 said:

I'm likely at a table for one and destined to be kicked out of the proverbial restaurant, but had I been the recipient of Eboni's "white supremacist" shade, I'd have told her in no uncertain terms to go fuck herself for even considering to use that vile term and my name in the same breath.

I’ll join you at the table.

I am 56 and I associate white supremacy to KKK types of people and those who personally go on campaigns to injury, kill, intimidate, actively participate in activities, actions or rally’s against people of other because of their race.

Maybe younger people have broadened the definition in their mind. However, they really should use a different term. 
Reckless statements like Eboni’s are dangerous. It also serves to dilute the meaning and importance of the phrase. Miss Smarty Pants should know her history and understand the power of that term.

Further, throwing such labels out only creates more division.
Is Eboni interested in helping reduce divisiveness or is she interested in creating more?

 

 

 

[Feech]

21 minutes ago, Stats Queen said:

Further, throwing such labels out only creates more division.
Is Eboni interested in helping reduce divisiveness or is she interested in creating more?

Creating division is Eboni’s job. That’s why she was hired.

Eboni is very good at her job.

[Ms Blue Jay]

1 hour ago, Lemons said:

I also wonder how many Black men or Latino men she dated.   The younger women I know in NYC have all dated men of different races.  It's a diverse city outside of the UES, UWS and the Financial District.  

Well we all know Leah went after Michael Che and when he didn't show interest she told everyone that he's rude and an asshole.  LOL

Edited July 8, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[ladle]

A whole episode, and not a single “Hocus Pocus” reference? What even is this show?

[nokat]

On 7/6/2021 at 7:03 PM, snarts said:

Leah has a Chanel tattoo on her hand?

I noticed and was thinking really? Now branding your body with Chanel? But it is Leah.

[Rambunctiouscurls]

I think we are all in agreement that Rhony is dead and we should pull the plug. 
 

Cause of Death: Preachy Ebony Syndrome with an underlying condition of fake Leah. 

 

 

[Rambunctiouscurls]

1 hour ago, Feech said:

Creating division is Eboni’s job. That’s why she was hired.

Eboni is very good at her job.

That works on Fox News or the view but on the real housewives, I prefer to see women argue about ghostwriters, whose products were displayed more at a party and whether Louis Vuitton makes mistakes. I want to see why John was at the party without Dorinda. 

Edited July 9, 2021 by Rambunctiouscurls

[Feech]

22 minutes ago, Rambunctiouscurls said:

That works on Fox News or the view but on the real housewives, I prefer to see women argue about ghostwriters, whose products were displayed more at a party and whether Louis Vuitton makes mistakes. I want to see why John was at the party without Dorinda. 

Eboni would say it was because of white privilege.

[sistermagpie]

3 hours ago, Stats Queen said:

I am 56 and I associate white supremacy to KKK types of people and those who personally go on campaigns to injury, kill, intimidate, actively participate in activities, actions or rally’s against people of other because of their race.

Maybe younger people have broadened the definition in their mind. However, they really should use a different term. 

I don't know if it's an age thing, but presumably Eboni wasn't saying they were white supremicists (meaning they're in the KKK, skinheads whatever), but that they support the systems in place in the US that protect white supremecy. Maybe something more like the moderate liberals who are more devoted to order (or something else) than justice. 

 

[oakville]

20 hours ago, Feech said:

That is because Bershan is a real person and Eboni is a political construct.

I don't think Eboni is a good fit with the current cast . Ramona, Lu, & Sonja aren't very interested in discussing political & racial issues.

[Stats Queen]

6 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

I don't know if it's an age thing, but presumably Eboni wasn't saying they were white supremicists (meaning they're in the KKK, skinheads whatever), but that they support the systems in place in the US that protect white supremecy. Maybe something more like the moderate liberals who are more devoted to order (or something else) than justice. 

 

I stand by personal feelings about what the meaning of the term white supremacy is to me and my visceral reaction to that term,

I respect your prospective but I think we have different interpretations of what white supremacy means to us personally.

 

[Kiss my mutt]

Oh my lord, I feel like I have a hangover after watching that. Leah need to go back to eating ass and get off my TV set. 
 

[MrsWitter]

11 minutes ago, Kiss my mutt said:

Oh my lord, I feel like I have a hangover after watching that. Leah need to go back to eating ass and get off my TV set. 
 

I can’t bear to go back and watch again to check, but does Leah actually eat ass? I thought she just expected men to eat her ass. I’m not sure how giving she is and it would be just like Leah to think her own ass (shit) doesn’t stink.