Who, What, When, Where?!: Miscellaneous Celebrity News 2.0

[GaT]

On 10/26/2021 at 4:02 PM, Mittengirl said:

I also thought the guns were fake.  I seem to remember seeing something where they showed small explosive devices that were used to simulate a bullet hitting it’s target.  Obviously you can’t expect most actors to have the ability to reliably hit a moving car’s window, for example.  So why is there a need for having operable guns on set?

 

On 10/26/2021 at 4:13 PM, WendyCR72 said:

No, my understanding is guns used in shows and movies ARE real guns. It is the blanks that is supposed to render things fake, as blanks are missing the bullet tips. But, as we found out in 1984, 1993, and now, if a blank is shot from a short distance, they can still be lethal. Apparently, those real guns can allegedly be modified so only blanks - not real bullets - can fit in the chamber for any given show/movie, but the expense of doing so means it does not happen.

There are prop guns & real guns used. Real bullets don't fit in prop guns, they're too big so these kind of accidents can't happen.

I never know if I should post Harry & Meghan stuff here or in the Royals thread, but I decided on here.

Twitter Data Has Revealed A Coordinated Campaign Of Hate Against Meghan Markle

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an analysis of more than 114,000 tweets about the couple has revealed a coordinated campaign of targeted harassment of Meghan on Twitter — and the 83 accounts responsible for approximately 70% of the negative and often hateful content.

 

[shapeshifter]

18 minutes ago, GaT said:

There are prop guns & real guns used. Real bullets don't fit in prop guns, they're too big so these kind of accidents can't happen.

The articles quoted upthread state that in the film industry, the term “prop gun” just refers to any gun being used as a prop, be it a gun capable of firing bullets, a gun modified to only be able to load blanks, or plastic in the shape of a gun with no moving parts. 

[methodwriter85]

1 hour ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

And the whole Batwoman scandal with Ruby Rose.  She was almost paralyzed.  I don't even know why they're continuing the show, albeit with a different star.  I think it's disgusting.  They don't deserve another show after what they've done to people.

A lot of the CW shows are done on the cheap and it seems like safety is a luxury. A few years ago KJ Apa who is the star of Riverdale got into a car accident after falling asleep at the wheel during a 45-minute ride home after a 16-hour workday.

 

[Ms Blue Jay]

5 minutes ago, methodwriter85 said:

A lot of the CW shows are done on the cheap and it seems like safety is a luxury. A few years ago KJ Apa who is the star of Riverdale got into a car accident after falling asleep at the wheel during a 45-minute ride home after a 16-hour workday.

This incident and WB's attitude is once again disgusting.  This is crazy.  "He only worked 14.2 hours" are they serious?!

Edited October 28, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[stewedsquash]

Isaiah Washington did an interview revealing several things about Grey's Anatomy. 

This is not the original article I read (I can't get it to link) but it has the same information:

https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/pictures/greys-anatomy-toxic-set-isaiah-washington-revelations/

[Cobalt Stargazer]

4 hours ago, Crs97 said:

Jesse Spencer just left Chicago Fire after being the star for ten years.  One of his reasons is the permanent injuries he has suffered while shooting the fire and rescue scenes.  Kristin Chenoweth was rushed to the hospital after being hit in the head by falling lighting equipment.  She has also fallen off an elevated stage and down concrete stairs.  Harrison Ford broke his leg during the Star Wars revival. I think safety in all areas of Hollywood could be improved.

 

And Jeremy Renner broke both arms while filming the movie Tag when the rigging broke during a scene when he was climbing a stack of chairs.

Wouldn't there have to be some kind of insurance on a set where stunts are being performed? Not just using props, but in general? It seems like the studio or the people behind the studio would want some kind of protections in place. Human bodies are breakable, and while I don't know enough about the industry to really comment, it seems like there should be an insurance company involved somehow.

[stewedsquash]

I guess I should have also said that he interviewed with Tavis Smiley. And also, both articles I read are so very clunky and clumsy in their reporting of the interview. I don't know how to link to the radio version.

After I read the articles I was left in an I'm shocked/Nah, I'm not shocked frame of mind. And I believe what he says. 

[Kel Varnsen]

4 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

And Jeremy Renner broke both arms while filming the movie Tag when the rigging broke during a scene when he was climbing a stack of chairs.

Wouldn't there have to be some kind of insurance on a set where stunts are being performed? Not just using props, but in general? It seems like the studio or the people behind the studio would want some kind of protections in place. Human bodies are breakable, and while I don't know enough about the industry to really comment, it seems like there should be an insurance company involved somehow.

I believe production insurance is pretty standard on a movie. So that if something like your star being injured happens producers can recover what they stand to lose. There is that classic story about Robert Downey Jr about how when he got off the drugs it was difficult for him to get roles because insurance companies didn't want to cover a movie if he was the star.

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

Wouldn't there have to be some kind of insurance on a set where stunts are being performed? Not just using props, but in general? It seems like the studio or the people behind the studio would want some kind of protections in place. Human bodies are breakable, and while I don't know enough about the industry to really comment, it seems like there should be an insurance company involved somehow.

There was a lot of conversation about this when Chadwick Boseman died as people wondering how Marvel could not know he was sick. Apparently the larger studios self insure. An indie production should have insurance but COVID has driven costs up and some take the risk of self insuring. 
Indie Production Boom Threatened by Cost of COVID Insurance

[Vermicious Knid]

Rust only has $6 million in insurance. Lawsuits are anticipated to be more. And if the damages are the result of negligence they will deny the claims, leading to more litigation.

[Bort]

13 hours ago, GaT said:

There are prop guns & real guns used. Real bullets don't fit in prop guns, they're too big so these kind of accidents can't happen.

Prop guns are used for scenes when there’s no gunfire. Like when characters are sweeping a location for a perp, checking rooms with their guns aimed, yelling clear and nobody shoots anything. 

[Zella]

15 hours ago, Vermicious Knid said:

"She didn't carry the firearms safely. She had pistols tucked under her armpits and was carrying rifles in each hand that were ready to be used in the scene," this individual added. "Firearms were aimed at people. She turned around and the pistols that were tucked under her armpits were pointing back at people."

 

This literally caused my jaw to drop. Like, WTF. 

[Katy M]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/adam-levine-addresses-criticism-reaction-fan-on-stage-134016069.html

So, Adam Levine did not react kindly to a fan jumping on stage and grabbing him, trying to hug him whatever.  I was on his side until he apologized.  

[SusanM]

7 minutes ago, Katy M said:

  I was on his side until he apologized.  

I wish he hadn't felt the need to apologize for a perfectly legitimate reaction but such is the power of social media.  Instead of people saying "that woman could have had a knife" it's "Levine doesn't love his fans".  God.

[Irlandesa]

I'm still on his side and feel bad he felt he needed to apologize. 

He doesn't expect fans on stage.  People have the right to not want to be touched.  And there's COVID for goodness sake.

 

Edited October 28, 2021 by Irlandesa

[Blergh]

I'm not a fan of Mr. Levine per se but I CAN understand why he'd have a gutterall reaction to a total stranger invading his workplace. 

How many of us would like a total stranger coming into our jobsites and screaming at us- even if it was surfacely positive on their part? 

[Cobalt Stargazer]

54 minutes ago, SusannahM said:

I wish he hadn't felt the need to apologize for a perfectly legitimate reaction but such is the power of social media.  Instead of people saying "that woman could have had a knife" it's "Levine doesn't love his fans".  God.

And I'll just say it, can you imagine if it had been a guy grabbing Selena Gomez or something? People dumping on Levine because he got taken by surprise wouldn't be calling the reaction 'disdain and disgust', they'd be rooting for her to have kicked the dude in the balls.

[proserpina65]

47 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

And I'll just say it, can you imagine if it had been a guy grabbing Selena Gomez or something? People dumping on Levine because he got taken by surprise wouldn't be calling the reaction 'disdain and disgust', they'd be rooting for her to have kicked the dude in the balls.

And rightfully so.  No one, male or female, should have to put up with being accosted by strangers like that.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, kariyaki said:

Prop guns are used for scenes when there’s no gunfire. Like when characters are sweeping a location for a perp, checking rooms with their guns aimed, yelling clear and nobody shoots anything. 

All guns used on set are prop guns whether they are functional or not. Prop guns can be everything from rubber castings used in the types of scenes you describe to guns that fire bullets. 

 

2 hours ago, Katy M said:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/adam-levine-addresses-criticism-reaction-fan-on-stage-134016069.html

So, Adam Levine did not react kindly to a fan jumping on stage and grabbing him, trying to hug him whatever.  I was on his side until he apologized.  

Why would him apologizing suddenly make him wrong? It’s not like it changes what happened.

Also, did I miss the apology? I’m not where I can watch the video but the quoted parts in the article doesn’t include an apology. It was just an explanation and reaction to the idiots who think someone not wanting to be grabbed unexpectedly means he has disdain for all his fans. 

[Katy M]

5 minutes ago, Dani said:

Why would him apologizing suddenly make him wrong? It’s not like it changes what happened.

Also, did I miss the apology? I’m not where I can watch the video but the quoted parts in the article doesn’t include an apology. It was just an explanation and reaction to the idiots who think someone not wanting to be grabbed unexpectedly means he has disdain for all his fans. 

I guess I'm just a little disappointed that instead of putting the blame squarely where it belonged (on the fan) he felt the need to say that he was startled.  It doesn't matter if he was started or not.  His reaction was completely justified.  

[JustHereForFood]

18 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

And the whole Batwoman scandal with Ruby Rose.  She was almost paralyzed.  I don't even know why they're continuing the show, albeit with a different star.  I think it's disgusting.  They don't deserve another show after what they've done to people.

https://www.newsweek.com/ruby-rose-instagram-batwoman-full-transcript-1641134

Warner Brother is trying to paint Ruby Rose like she's crazy and a liar but how can she fake a neck injury and a hospital visit and the scars?!  

That whole thing looks so weird. I hope more people speak up, because it sems that something is not right there.

1 hour ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

And I'll just say it, can you imagine if it had been a guy grabbing Selena Gomez or something? People dumping on Levine because he got taken by surprise wouldn't be calling the reaction 'disdain and disgust', they'd be rooting for her to have kicked the dude in the balls.

Didn't Janet Jackson have to apologize for being exposed against her will on stage? I know it was a long time ago, but I don't think it would be much different if the situation was reversed in the scenario above. 

[aradia22]

I said this on another thread but I'm not big on physical contact so I cannot imagine initiating a hug with a stranger, let alone jumping on stage to grab someone. 

The Adam Levine story reminds me of two other moments. One is Kesha trying to hug Jerry Seinfeld. I think he's perfectly within his rights to refuse a hug from her. I also think he's an asshole.

The other moment is when I personally witnessed a stage door incident where a woman ran out from behind the barricades to kiss a Broadway actor and then ran back, delighted with herself. There was nothing cute about it. He waved off security and continued with meeting fans but it was terrifying and no one should be obligated to carry on neutrally after something like that. It underlined the lack of respect for his bodily autonomy. 

Edited October 28, 2021 by aradia22

[Enigma X]

Before the pandemic, I wanted 6 feet of space between me and others. Now I want more. No one has the right to touch you if you don't want them to. There is no need to apologize.

[RunningMarket]

18 hours ago, stewedsquash said:

Isaiah Washington did an interview revealing several things about Grey's Anatomy. 

This is not the original article I read (I can't get it to link) but it has the same information:

https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/pictures/greys-anatomy-toxic-set-isaiah-washington-revelations/

Can we agree that toxic culture and behaviour exist on that set, and Washington was still completely wrong for using that slur, regardless of who it was aimed at?

[Cobalt Stargazer]

56 minutes ago, JustHereForFood said:

Didn't Janet Jackson have to apologize for being exposed against her will on stage? I know it was a long time ago, but I don't think it would be much different if the situation was reversed in the scenario above. 

Even with the pandemic still going? I suppose you could argue that Levine shouldn't be doing concerts right now, but that doesn't negate that it was the fan who disregarded the six-feet-apart rule. It also doesn't negate that people criticizing him (during a pandemic) are acting like he kicked the woman off the stage and into the crowd instead of security escorting her away, presumably respectfully. I'd have panicked too.

[DearEvette]

4 hours ago, SusannahM said:

I wish he hadn't felt the need to apologize for a perfectly legitimate reaction but such is the power of social media.  Instead of people saying "that woman could have had a knife" it's "Levine doesn't love his fans".  God.

Ugh.  This reminds me of the time when Zoe Kravitz was on Andy Cohen's show he asked her about Lily Allen's autobiography where Lilly says she and Zoe kissed.  Zoe was not pleased and said 'oh you mean when she attacked me?'   She made it clear both in words and by expression that Lily's "kiss' as an assault and she said twice it was an "attack."

Andy then asked her if she read the book whereupon Zoe said 'Did anyone read the book?'

Cue the the headlines from many mainstream entertainment publications (People, Us, Cosmo, E, etc.) where instead of highlighting the fact that Zoe literally said she was attacked and thus was the victim of non-consensual asexual assault, the headline were all about how Zoe "shaded" Lily Allen. 

I say again. Ugh.

[Annber03]

1 hour ago, Enigma X said:

Before the pandemic, I wanted 6 feet of space between me and others. Now I want more.

I saw someone make a post about that on some site a while back. They were like, "Even after this pandemic ends, I still want people to stay six feet away from me." 

[Irlandesa]

29 minutes ago, RunningMarket said:

Can we agree that toxic culture and behaviour exist on that set, and Washington was still completely wrong for using that slur, regardless of who it was aimed at?

Yeah.  I do think there was a lot of rampant toxicity on the set and it has leaked that Patrick Dempsey wasn't great to work with but what I read (which admittedly were only snippets) kind of made it seem like he felt it was everyone else's fault but his. 

 

[Bastet]

52 minutes ago, RunningMarket said:

Can we agree that toxic culture and behaviour exist on that set, and Washington was still completely wrong for using that slur, regardless of who it was aimed at?

Apparently two slurs, although only one got widespread attention.  That he thinks saying "You're not going to treat me like a [b---h], and you're not going to treat me like a [f---ot]" to Dempsey is okay, because he was "referring to [himself]" rather than directly calling other individuals those words, and, hey, Dempsey had treated women and gay men badly, is mind boggling.  Dude, do you not hear yourself, even now?

And, yikes, the widespread appalling behavior he describes from jump!  He walked into an unfair situation and it only grew more toxic.  Dempsey and Pompeo have a lot to answer for, and it's certainly not a coincidence that Washington's wrongdoing is the only one I had come across until recently.

Edited October 28, 2021 by Bastet

[Ms Blue Jay]

1 hour ago, aradia22 said:

The Adam Levine story reminds me of two other moments. One is Kesha trying to hug Jerry Seinfeld. I think he's perfectly within his rights to refuse a hug from her. I also think he's an asshole.

He's an asshole for that reason?  Or some other?

[Katy M]

55 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

Even with the pandemic still going? I suppose you could argue that Levine shouldn't be doing concerts right now, but that doesn't negate that it was the fan who disregarded the six-feet-apart rule. It also doesn't negate that people criticizing him (during a pandemic) are acting like he kicked the woman off the stage and into the crowd instead of security escorting her away, presumably respectfully. I'd have panicked too.

See, I also don't like that people keep bringing up the pandemic.  It's irrelevant.  Even if there were no such thing as germs, this was not OK.  And shoving someone off you who has no right to be there is fine.  I would even say it wouldn't have been his fault if he had accidentally shoved her too had and she had fallen off the stage and broken her arm.

[peachmangosteen]

I think Adam Levine is a dick but I am 100% on his side there. I would have stopped performing that night if it was me tbh. That would be unsettling on several different levels.

[stewedsquash]

@RunningMarket Oh yeah of course he was wrong to use the slurs, and I think he knows it. I assumed it was a given point of view. 

I find it terrible the abuse he had to deal with from the get go. I find myself disgusted with Dempsey and Pompeo and others on the set. I quit watching years ago, around the time that Knight's character got tangled up with the pretty dark haired nurse/doctor (I can't remember the character/actress name or the title of the character). She irritated me for some unknown reason that I couldn't quite establish enough that I became blah about the whole show. Between that and Izzy's spiral with Denny? the dead dude, I was done. I now find myself wanting Isaiah Washington and Katherine Heigle (sp) to star in a weekly series. I think they were both treated badly during their time at GA and it in turn hindered their careers. Which is a shame because they are both pretty nice people and have more talent as actors than Dempsey and Pompeo. 

I am waiting to see if there is pushback about the Pompeo/$5million/#metoo/Dempsey claim by Washington. 

 

Edited October 29, 2021 by stewedsquash
nurse/doctor?

[RunningMarket]

14 minutes ago, stewedsquash said:

@RunningMarket Oh yeah of course he was wrong to use the slurs, and I think he knows it. I assumed it was a given point of view. 

I find it terrible the abuse he had to deal with from the get go. I find myself disgusted with Dempsey and Pompeo and others on the set. I quit watching years ago, around the time that Knight's character got tangled up with the pretty dark haired nurse/doctor (I can't remember the character/actress name or the title of the character). She irritated me for some unknown reason that I couldn't quite establish enough that I became blah about the whole show. Between that and Izzy's spiral with Denny? the dead dude, I was done. I now find myself wanting Isaiah Washington and Katherine Heigle (sp) to star in a weekly series. I think they were both treated badly during their time at GA and it in turn hindered their careers. Which is a shame because they are both pretty nice people and have more talent as actors than Dempsey and Pompeo. 

I am waiting to see if there is pushback about the Pompeo/$5million/#metoo/Dempsey claim by Washington. 

 

Definitely. And I realize in reading back that my comment could have been misinterpreted. I certainly did not mean to imply you yourself thought that the slurs were OK for him to use.

Ghost sex was the end for a lot of us.

[stewedsquash]

Ha, yeah I didn't think you were implying anything towards me but I did think that you were asking me (you and I were the we, not the general everyone here we) the question and I wanted clarify that yes, that was my take on the slurs also.

And yes! ha I remember now it was called Ghost Sex. 

 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Katy M said:

I guess I'm just a little disappointed that instead of putting the blame squarely where it belonged (on the fan) he felt the need to say that he was startled.  It doesn't matter if he was started or not.  His reaction was completely justified.  

His reaction was absolutely justified but I also find it unfair to critique how a victim chooses to respond in the aftermath. He was put in a difficult situation and then faced absurd judgement that he felt compelled to respond to. I find it bizarre to no longer be on the victim’s side because they felt the need to explain.

3 hours ago, Bastet said:

Apparently two slurs, although only one got widespread attention.  That he thinks saying "You're not going to treat me like a [b---h], and you're not going to treat me like a [f---ot]" to Dempsey is okay, because he was "referring to [himself]" rather than directly calling other individuals those words, and, hey, Dempsey had treated women and gay men badly, is mind boggling.  Dude, do you not hear yourself, even now?

Classic example of punching down. He is completely focused on how badly he was treating and seems to be completely ignoring that he in turn mistreated those he viewed beneath him. When he rehashes this I always wonder how TR Knight feels. Somehow I have a feeling that Washington doesn’t bother to ask that question.

In the recent Grey’s Anatomy tell all book it was revealed that TR wasn’t out to his family when the Washington slur story went public. 

[Katy M]

2 minutes ago, Dani said:

His reaction was absolutely justified but I also find it unfair to critique how a victim chooses to respond in the aftermath. He was put in a difficult situation and then faced absurd judgement that he felt compelled to respond to. I find it bizarre to no longer be on the victim’s side because they felt the need to explain.

I think people took my comment about not being on his side any more once he apologized too literally.  It just annoys me how everyone caves to the people who demand apologies for absolutely everything.  I just want one person to stand up to the mob.

[DearEvette]

1 hour ago, Dani said:

Classic example of punching down. He is completely focused on how badly he was treating and seems to be completely ignoring that he in turn mistreated those he viewed beneath him. When he rehashes this I always wonder how TR Knight feels. Somehow I have a feeling that Washington doesn’t bother to ask that question.

In the recent Grey’s Anatomy tell all book it was revealed that TR wasn’t out to his family when the Washington slur story went public. 

Not a single person named in that whole mess comes out well.  Not Pompeo or Dempsey who both sound like even back then they lorded over the set.  Not Washington who said the slur no matter his frustrations or the microaggressions he was subject to on the daily.  And honestly not even TR tried to claim he was punished for coming out.

At the time,  it was reported that ABC tried to keep everything in house and settle things quietly.  But apparently someone was not satisfied that Washington wasn't being punished sufficiently and leaked the story to the press.  Otherwise we would have never known about it.  Even after it was leaked and Ted Casablanca asked the question flat out at the Golden Globes, ABC was still trying to do damage control and made Washington go to some sort of therapy or rehab or sensitivity training or something.  But the story was kept alive and even Katherine Heigle fanned the flames by making some pointed statements in the press.  ABC had no choice but to fire Washington since his continued presence was overshadowing everything else.

[Pickles Aplenty]

Going back to Rust, I'm glad that armorer could carry guns under her armpits and fire them for fun just so she could pretend to be a badass.  That was well worth the price of someone's life.

Fucking IDIOT.

Edited October 29, 2021 by Pickles Aplenty

[Guest]

54 minutes ago, DearEvette said:

And honestly not even TR tried to claim he was punished for coming out.

I’m not sure I understand your point. TR was publicly outed as a part of argument he wasn’t even involved in. Whether his career was hurt by that or not it was very wrong. Washington has never owned up to his role in that.

How does T.R. not come out well in the whole mess?

5 hours ago, Bastet said:

Apparently two slurs, although only one got widespread attention.  That he thinks saying "You're not going to treat me like a [b---h], and you're not going to treat me like a [f---ot]" to Dempsey is okay, because he was "referring to [himself]" rather than directly calling other individuals those words, and, hey, Dempsey had treated women and gay men badly, is mind boggling.  Dude, do you not hear yourself, even now?

In the book a writer on the show said that he actually did refer directly to T.R. by name. 

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He went after Patrick, pushed him up against the wall, and said, 'You can't talk to me the way you talk to that little f----- T.R.' "   

 

[GaT]

8 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I saw someone make a post about that on some site a while back. They were like, "Even after this pandemic ends, I still want people to stay six feet away from me." 

I have a tee shirt that says "When this virus is over, I still want some of you to stay away from me". I like to wear it to Target

[JustHereForFood]

15 hours ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

Even with the pandemic still going? I suppose you could argue that Levine shouldn't be doing concerts right now, but that doesn't negate that it was the fan who disregarded the six-feet-apart rule. It also doesn't negate that people criticizing him (during a pandemic) are acting like he kicked the woman off the stage and into the crowd instead of security escorting her away, presumably respectfully. I'd have panicked too.

Just to be clear, I abslutely don't think that either of them should have had to apologize, I was just pointing out that I am not surprised that there are people on the internet attacking him (internet's gonna internet) and that I don't think it would be any different if he was a woman in this scenario. 

[orza]

I recall some years ago a fan attacked Tim McGraw on stage. I believe she grabbed the back pocket of his jeans, wouldn't let go, and he had to fight her off. When Faith Hill took the stage for her set she tore into the fan and the audience applauded.

[SuprSuprElevated]

On 10/22/2021 at 6:52 PM, Jalyn said:

One death is one too many doesn't take into account the fact that this is a fluke accident. It was much, much more likely that someone working on that movie would die in a car accident on their way to the studio. We don't suggest that they should find a transportation option (say, building a hotel on site so that they don't have to commute) to stop any chance that that happen. 

Every day we all take risks that we consider to be reasonable. We cannot take all of the risk out of any situation ever and most of us would not want to live the life that would result. Now, if there was negligence on site that caused this, that would and should be actionable. The deaths on the Twilight Zone movie are an instance where gross negligence should have resulted in massive fines, if not jail time. 

Well said.  Sounds (so far, very early and speculative, yes) that there were red flags flying all over this production.

[DearEvette]

12 hours ago, Dani said:

I’m not sure I understand your point. TR was publicly outed as a part of argument he wasn’t even involved in. Whether his career was hurt by that or not it was very wrong. Washington has never owned up to his role in that.

How does T.R. not come out well in the whole mess?

I was speaking more in the long term after effects of the incident rather than the immediate after effects.  Since the more people have talked about it in the ensuing years, the worse everyone has come out, imo.

As time goes on you get more and more context about what went down and people star looking either better or worse.

With TR it is more how he has talked about George after leaving the show. In the various interviews after George was killed off that he came off as pretty whiny and bitter , imo, and he often used that incident as a justification for why he felt he was written off even going so far as to intimate it was because he was gay and/or defied Rhimes by officially coming out.  He had really leaned into the oft repeated theories that Rhimes is retaliatory despite the fact that he had a pretty good storyline in the subsequent season.  But in the season after that he felt he wasn't being given a good story (nevermind the show had 15 regular cast and about 10 recurring in that year).

Ymmv, but I felt it wasn't a good look and he was doing some of the same stuff Heigel was (albeit not as feisty) but as she got excoriated, he was shielded.

Edited October 29, 2021 by DearEvette

[Zella]

11 minutes ago, DearEvette said:

he was doing some of the same stuff Heigel was (albeit not as feisty) but as she got excoriated, he was shielded.

One of Heigl's biggest problems was the fact she kept doing it over and over again on different projects, which did make her seem like an unbearable diva, even when she had reasonable points. She'd also blindside producers and showrunners with her complaints because she'd never bring them up to them but then bitch about it to reporters/talk show hosts. (I've still never gotten over her bitching about the hours of filming she had to do, only for it to be revealed that she'd asked for that schedule to do interviews. Then she backpedaled fast with "I had no clue!" LMAO) Does Knight have a history of whining about his jobs and bosses? Did he complain to the media before he did his bosses? If not, that's likely why he seemed to get a pass, and she didn't. He handled it more professionally. 

I never watched Grey's Anatomy, but every single story I've ever heard from the set makes it seem like one of the most toxic atmospheres possible. 

Edited October 29, 2021 by Zella

[Crs97]

All the actors seem to keep targeting the other actors as toxic.  At what point does Shondra have to take responsibility?  I mean, if Ellen truly got Isaiah removed as Shepherd, then why was she given that kind of power so early in the show’s creation?  I don’t watch the show, but I am always curious about these peeks behind the scenes because they just don’t add up to me in a way that makes sense with the information we have been given so far.  🤷‍♀️

[Ms Blue Jay]

57 minutes ago, Crs97 said:

All the actors seem to keep targeting the other actors as toxic.  At what point does Shondra have to take responsibility?  I mean, if Ellen truly got Isaiah removed as Shepherd, then why was she given that kind of power so early in the show’s creation?  I don’t watch the show, but I am always curious about these peeks behind the scenes because they just don’t add up to me in a way that makes sense with the information we have been given so far.  🤷‍♀️

Isaiah using the slur at the GOLDEN GLOBES is still up on Youtube.

 

Edited October 29, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[Bort]

1 hour ago, Crs97 said:

All the actors seem to keep targeting the other actors as toxic.  At what point does Shondra have to take responsibility?  I mean, if Ellen truly got Isaiah removed as Shepherd, then why was she given that kind of power so early in the show’s creation?  I don’t watch the show, but I am always curious about these peeks behind the scenes because they just don’t add up to me in a way that makes sense with the information we have been given so far.  🤷‍♀️

Do you mean, like, now? Because with the exception of Pompeo, none of those actors are on the show anymore, nor is Shonda the show runner, she hasn’t been in years.

[proserpina65]

14 hours ago, Pickles Aplenty said:

Going back to Rust, I'm glad that armorer could carry guns under her armpits and fire them for fun just so she could pretend to be a badass.  That was well worth the price of someone's life.

Fucking IDIOT.

No matter where else responsibility for this incident ends up being assigned, the complete lack of professional behavior from the armorer should get a big share of it, at the very least.