S10.E07: Santa Denise

[DivaLasVegas82]

5 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Just because kids have access to the internet doesn’t mean that Denise can’t object to them having to listen to people they know talking about it in her home, no one gave a shit when Erika told Sutton not to raise her voice in her home even though the other women were also yelling because she sets the rules for her house just like Denise can set the rules in her home. She asked them nicely to change the conversation and than they refused which is just dickish and rude to a host.

I agree that Denise has the right to control the topic of conversation in her home. But she is acting like her daughters and her daughters' friends were adversely impacted by the threesome talk, which we know they weren't. Sami said that they thought it was funny. How does the threesome talk bother Denise more than it does the kids?

[Pondlass1]

5 minutes ago, bencr said:

It really seems like these women are indulging in controversy just for the sake of controversy. Both of the major areas of "conflict" among the women just don't seem like things they, or anyone else, would argue about . First, who cares if Kyle is closer to Teddy than the other ladies? Why is that a source of conflict? And second, if Denise doesn't want you to have an adult conversation in front of her kids, then don't do it. Why argue about it? Neither one of these two areas of conflict are worth fighting about. I feel like this whole season so far has been much ado about nothing.

I totally agree.

[escape]

It was Denise's party, it was her home.  And the other women totally disrespected that.  She had kids who were guests - that she was responsible for.  

Denise has never given any indication that she is not a dedicated mother.  She adopted a child with special needs.  At one point, she took in Charlie Sheen's sons.

The irony of Rinna and Erika making judgements on a topic they have shown to know little about - parenting.

 

Edited May 28, 2020 by escape

[bichonblitz]

9 minutes ago, DivaLasVegas82 said:

I wonder if the producers told her to instigate drama. I also wonder if producers are the ones who told Lisa to even initiate the threesome talk in Santa Barbara by having her ask Denise about her threesome scene in "Wild Things."

I'm sure they did. The producers tell them what to say/initiate at every gathering in every scene. Nothing is a surprise and Rinna is a terrible actress because the way she seque's in to a topic is not smooth at all. And shame on her for being such a bitch to Denise after 20 years of friendship. That woman will do anything to have the spotlight on her. 

Heh, Erika is correct about only one thing. Those girls at the kids table probably were saying "listen to those OLD ladies talking about threesomes, like they even have them anymore"! Kids are funny and slick like that. Unfortunately, kids grow up very, very fast these days but I'm sure still don't want to hear their parents and their friends talking about sex. It's the Ewwwwww how gross factor for them.

[HeddaGabler]

16 minutes ago, DivaLasVegas82 said:

I agree. No matter how protective Denise is over her daughters, there's no way they haven't heard or seen things, especially regarding Charlie Sheen who had about a decade ago had two women living with him that he referred to as the Goddesses. Were Sami and Lola visiting their father during that time?

I see this differently. Denise is managing a lot of moving parts here, and doing her best to moderate what her kids know and when they learn about each of their parents public lives. I can't pretend to know what that's like, but I imagine having a bunch of drunk bitches show up and raise even more issues would be frustrating. Trying to explain that afterwards to "friends" becomes even more exasperating because these women don't have conversations in good faith. Erika won't have a trustworthy conversation about it, because she refuses to be wrong about anything. 

Also, I think there have been gaps in those girls lives where they didn't see their father, because of custody battles and his addiction issues. Again, Denise has her hands full trying to earn a living, and making sure her kids have a decent childhood. I don't begrudge her that. 

[Hangin Out]

41 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Erika Jayne is a *unt. You don't talk about a 14 year old like that. They know what a threesome is if they haven't already had one. Again, if they don't see the difference between adult talk and child talk, that's their moral issue. Those bitches are all nasty.

Erika, abandoned my kid to be an old man's trophy, and Lisa, even my husbsnd thinks my kid has an eating disorder because of me, need to stfu.

Blah, blah, blah.  Same ole shit.  I never knew what a threesome was until a few years ago, lol.  I have girlfriends from grammar school still, and close friends over the years and we never ever talk about sex with our husbands ever.  We talk in joking, but never about our sex lives.  Maybe it’s the new norm .. I don’t know.

These women sure pile on the makeup.  Last week, Kyle looked horrible with the bangs, glittery earrings, and that suit with her tits hanging out.  This week, she looked much better with her hair back and plain with little makeup.  Why is she always crying?  She has everything.  What’s her problem?  Tonite was boring as usual.  All talking the same shit.  The only thing I liked was the food the lady was making.  Denise in the hot seat again with her kids and the endless sex talk.  Why don’t they talk about a good book or a great movie they saw?  And their hair pulled tight back all the time gives me a headache.  Dorit .. I can’t even look at .. Teddy is boring .. Rinna is Rinna, I like the new blonde so far, Erika a little more conceited since Chicago and who else I forgot.  Tomorrow n.y. .. another catastrophe.  They all are running out of ideas.  

 

 

 

 

[biakbiak]

2 hours ago, DivaLasVegas82 said:

I agree that Denise has the right to control the topic of conversation in her home. But she is acting like her daughters and her daughters' friends were adversely impacted by the threesome talk, which we know they weren't. Sami said that they thought it was funny. How does the threesome talk bother Denise more than it does the kids?

I disagree I think she is reacting to the women telling her over and over again that she has no right to make that request because of what she has said at parties with no children present and even worse because of who their father is. They are making a much bigger deal out of it and acting like she threw them out of her house when actually she asked them repeatedly to not have the convo and they refused. 

Edited May 28, 2020 by biakbiak

[Sew Sumi]

7 minutes ago, snarts said:

Let's be honest, they're coming for her because of her salary. She's got the multi-year contract earning more than than anyone else. Add to that the Bold & Beautiful role and Rinna is seething with jealousy. 

Erika looked ridiculous in those trash bag outfits. For someone who went ballistic when Eileen dared mention her son, her comments about Denise's daughter was beyond the pale and extremely hypocritical. 

I don't follow any of these women aside from the show. What is Denise's multi-year contract? 

[ShawnaLanne]

Just now, whydoievencare said:

Lisa Rinna is always the one to instigate - she always makes it sound like she is just innocently trying to get issues out in the open,"let's clear the air",  but it's really shit disturbing.  What they are all really doing is trying to pigeonhole Denise into a certain persona and the mom who chastised them isn't what they want and they are going to punish her for that.  Where Erica chastised them in her home for their behaviour and that was okay.  Clearly Erica is higher in the dominance chain than Denise.

Clearly they are trying to push Erika higher on the dominance chain and Denise isn't having it.

These women are so out of touch. Last year they decided to go after LVP and they were so off the mark that even people who aren't huge fans of hers were rooting for LVP.  

They wanted us to get behind Dorit, not a fan favorite, after she abandoned a dog and basically get up in arms because LVP might have been spreading rumors about Dorit? And this after LVP lost her mom and brother? Please. Vyle was still acting like her mom died yesterday when this show started. And it had been at least a decade. And Big Kathy was more pimp then mom, so you'd think she'd understand, no matter what losing your mom is hard.

And now we're supposed to hate Denise because she asked the women to quiet down sex talk around her children? And they refused so they're embarrassed?

Newsflash, you can be a wild thing in one part of your life and tone it down for your kids. It's not being a hypocrite. It's called having boundaries.

But I guess the anerexic mom who is proud to have taught her kids how to give a good blow job doesn't understand.

The pimped out former child actress doesn't understand.

And the woman who abandoned her kid to strip and snag a sugar daddy so she can play dress up doesn't understand.

Teddi just comes across as stupid and useless as usual

Dorit seems to be trying to glide across. She did mention that Denise probably was fine with it till her daughter brought up threesomes.

It looks like this is going to be another year of mentally challenged mean girls trying to take down game out of their weight class. 

[bichonblitz]

4 minutes ago, Silver Bells said:

Why don’t they talk about a good book or a great movie they saw?

Because this is a TV show based on fake drama and that would be boring AF. 

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

im done with this season insinuating that someones child is fucking or having 3somes just ...No 

 

1 hour ago, Mindthinkr said:

The parent signs up for this...not the child. Speculations about an underage childs sex life should be off limits. Period. 

 

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

ERika basically just shit all over them and gave them a reputation that she has no knowledge of .. this will follow those kids now ,... thats fucked up 

Erika is unbelievably wrong in this situation and what she said was just low and nasty.  

Erika was thisclose to scratching Eileen's eyes out when Eileen mentioned Erika's son in a very innocuous way.  But, it's okay for Erika to roll her eyes and make these nasty comments about a 15 years old??  

Not nice.....

[JD5166]

7 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

I disagree I think she is reacting to the women telling her over and over again that she has no right to make that request because of what she has said at parties with no children present and even worse because of who their father is. They are making a much bigger deal out of it and acting like she through them out of her house when actually she asked them repeatedly to not have the convo and they refused. 

It was fun watching them NOT talk about the TV show they are on, nice work, Denise! 

It’s like someone alluding to spoilers they aren’t allowed to mention on here trying to get someone to take the bait. 😁 BYE! 

[ParadoxLost]

If Garcelle doesn't have any time to film the show, why did they hire her for the show?

I really don't like taking Kyle's side on things so I wish they'd stop it. But she is the only one that made an attempt to apologize and make peace when she was not the only one in the wrong and no one will let it go.  Dorit and Denise in particular need to  take a seat,preferably in a cone of silence where I don't have to hear them.

Also Teddi is being reasonable and making sense.  It really does feel like Dorit is arguing with Kyle about Teddi to shade Teddi without engaging Teddi directly.

Its really dumbfounding to watch everyone trying to argue that they didn't do anything wrong in not censoring their conversation when the kids were in earshot. You'd think this would be something they'd let go because arguing that Denise is a hypocrite about it doesn't make them come off any better.

Sutton was not wrong in telling Denise that it was an adult (HW) party.  Denise had an agenda inviting the kids and I''m convinced the rest of them decided to checkmate Denise's agenda by proceeding as if the kids weren't there. It was a move they are regretting because of how that plays out.  They are the "bad moms" and now they are trying to argue their way into making it not the wrong thing to do.  But two wrongs don't make it right.

But at the same time, Denise's personality is starting to shine through and I really dislike her.

[ShawnaLanne]

3 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

If Garcelle doesn't have any time to film the show, why did they hire her for the show?

I really don't like taking Kyle's side on things so I wish they'd stop it. But she is the only one that made an attempt to apologize and make peace when she was not the only one in the wrong and no one will let it go.  Dorit and Denise in particular need to  take a seat,preferably in a cone of silence where I don't have to hear them.

Also Teddi is being reasonable and making sense.  It really does feel like Dorit is arguing with Kyle about Teddi to shade Teddi without engaging Teddi directly.

Its really dumbfounding to watch everyone trying to argue that they didn't do anything wrong in not censoring their conversation when the kids were in earshot. You'd think this would be something they'd let go because arguing that Denise is a hypocrite about it doesn't make them come off any better.

Sutton was not wrong in telling Denise that it was an adult (HW) party.  Denise had an agenda inviting the kids and I''m convinced the rest of them decided to checkmate Denise's agenda by proceeding as if the kids weren't there. It was a move they are regretting because of how that plays out.  They are the "bad moms" and now they are trying to argue their way into making it not the wrong thing to do.  But two wrongs don't make it right.

But at the same time, Denise's personality is starting to shine through and I really dislike her.

I like this better than the hippy dippy stuff. If you have a pack of dogs after you, trip those bitches up. I'd like her a lot less if she rolled over.

[Adeejay]

I think I missed the episode where Denise killed Erika’s dog and burned down her house.

Lisa is a horrible actress.  I am having a hard time understanding how she got work. 

[biakbiak]

3 hours ago, ParadoxLost said:

Sutton was not wrong in telling Denise that it was an adult (HW) party.  D

Children have been present at HW parties before. It wasn’t like they weren’t completely aware that there was a table full of children next to them. Denise didn’t hide them and only spring them on the HW when they were in the middle of a the conversation. As the host it’s up for Denise to decide what sort of party it is and I imagine all of these women have successfully made it through dinner parties without talking about threesomes.

Edited May 28, 2020 by biakbiak

[DivaLasVegas82]

24 minutes ago, escape said:

It was Denise's party, it was her home.  And the other women totally disrespected her requests to cool it.  She had kids who were guests in her home - that she was responsible for.  

Denise has never given any indication that she is not a dedicated mom.  She adopted a child with special needs.  She took in Charlie Sheen's sons when he and his wife were having problems.

Rinna needs to look at how messed up her kids are.  And it was Harry who said she's responsible for the mess.

 

I totally agree that Denise seems like a great mom, but I do think she is being naive in terms of what she thinks her daughters have been exposed to.

[Emmeline]

23 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Just because kids have access to the internet doesn’t mean that Denise can’t object to them having to listen to people they know talking about it in her home, no one gave a shit when Erika told Sutton not to raise her voice in her home even though the other women were also yelling because she sets the rules for her house just like Denise can set the rules in her home. She asked them nicely to change the conversation and than they refused which is just dickish and rude to a host.

Exactly, and Denise also had friends of her kids at the house too.  Can you imagine the kids relaying the adult conversation to their parents?  You would have thought they could have controlled the sex talk once they saw the kids in attendance.  They couldn’t even control themselves after Denise asked them to stop.  Erika has no idea what it’s like to raise a tween or teenager.  I think Denise is hoping they would all apologize.  While I’m sure they know what a three some is, I don’t think the average American teen has participated in one.  

I’m sure Denise had her hands full with Charlie after the divorce.  He was really off the rails for years, addicted to drugs and porn.  Didn’t Denise take in 2 of Charles kids with Brooke Mueller while they were in rehab?

Was Rinna ever naked in a movie?  I can only remember her in Lifetime movies.  I do think I remember her being in playboy.
 

What is the big deal with the diamond ice sculpture?  Aren’t they all holding one at the beginning of the show?

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, Mindthinkr said:

You know if anyone said the same of one of Kyle’s or Rinna’s child they would go ballistic. How can they sit by and not support Denise? 

Because they are all so friggin' deep in their own feelings and feeling hurt by Denise for Denise just asking them all to be decent house guests, they aren't even hearing the crap that is spilling out of Erika's mouth.

I think Sutton is sitting there thinking "What the hell did I sign up for?" 

I was actually beginning to like Erika this season - but it's this kind of nasty crap that makes me dislike her all over again.

[JAYJAY1979]

Kyle wishes she was Regina, but like Gretchen Wiener...she can't quite make being Queen happen. 

[bencr]

For me, the laugh of the night was when Denise shut the ladies up by leading them to believe that her daughter confronted her about the adult talk the ladies were having. Then Denise refused to answer Erica's question about what her daughter said because -- we learn in flashback -- the daughter said she thought it was funny. It also made me wonder if Denise was being completely truthful with Kyle when she said her daughter picked out the diamond ice sculpture, or if that was just to shut Kyle up (which it did).

Edited May 28, 2020 by bencr

[biakbiak]

7 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

You know if anyone said the same of one of Kyle’s or Rinna’s child they would go ballistic. How can they sit by and not support Denise? 

Rinna got pissed off at Sutton for whispering something to Dorit and acted as if Sutton had actually done something to ruin her daughters event when she did nothing.

Edited May 28, 2020 by biakbiak

[bichonblitz]

4 minutes ago, Emmeline said:

Didn’t Denise take in 2 of Charles kids with Brooke Mueller while they were in rehab?

Yes she did and for that I will never dislike Denise. 

[Legalbeagle421]

Poor Teddi was really trying to have her moment and it went literally nowhere. Oh well, looks like she tries again next week. 🤣

[JD5166]

8 minutes ago, Legalbeagle421 said:

Poor Teddi was really trying to have her moment and it went literally nowhere. Oh well, looks like she tries again next week. 🤣

She’s so insignificant! Lol

[80sBaby]

Erika's comment "They've probably already had one..." was absolutely disgusting. 

Rinna is a horrible actress, she still hasn't figured out how to subtly bring something up. She drops stuff in out of nowhere like a brick through a window.

I just cannot see what was so wrong about Denise asking them to tone the convo down while the kids where there. They IMO are reaching to have an issue with Denise. Erika and her condescending, nasty tone all the time has gotten really old for me. What does conversations you have while out with your "friends" have to do with what's said while your kids and their friends are there??

Erika really seems to have a problem with Denise and the others are jumping on the bandwagon. Lisa asking about the hookers..really? Well I guess this coming from a woman that was glad her book let her 11 yr old know how to properly give a blowjob shouldn't have been surprising.

 

 

[Sweetpea4Utoo]

59 minutes ago, HeddaGabler said:

Lisa's makeup during her talking head, was… over the top, and not in a good way. Did she hire a 7-year old to apply that eye shadow?

She looked like a frog. Or toad. Or reptile. 

 

[enchantingmonkey]

After this episode, I'm leaning towards Denise setting up the other housewives by having her kids at the party with them.  She knows these dinner parties involve some kind of sex talk or screaming fights, so I find it hard to believe she thought there would only be PG-rated conversations and that they'd all be on their best behavior.  It's funny that the editing monkeys showed how Denise was being disingenuous about how the sex talk impacted her daughter.  How would all of this be playing out if Denise admitted to them that her daughter laughed about the sex talk?  Denise is officially playing the Housewives' game.   

It's curious that the producers are allowing Garcelle to have such a clean edit on what seems like her own show while the other ladies are clearing all getting down and dirty with each other.      

[RealHousewife]

 

1 hour ago, Mindthinkr said:

I thought the comment about Denise’s daughter already having a threesome was a bit OTT and catty. She may have a semi-wild mother, but she is still a child. I’m glad that Denise wasn’t there to hear it. 

That was really inappropriate. Say what you want about Denise, but don't talk about her innocent teenage daughter like that. 

[Legalbeagle421]

I was with the women about the whole "children at the party" issue until this episode. I still find it odd that Denise invited her children's friends to a housewives filming. I do and my mind can't be changed on that fact.  However, I do respect her concerns as a parent as to where the conversation went and the women were over the top mean about it this week.

I was disappointed in Teddi (who I'm already at a party of one for anyway because I typically really like her) for insinuating that it was an "adult party", so they were fine. Obviously, Denise didn't see it that way. I was disappointed in Rinna (who is always a disappointment) for saying that crap about how Denise talks about happy endings. She talked about that with this group of adults, not around her children. I know the girls can and probably have seen the stuff their mom says online but it was still another stupid analogy from Rinna like the defending Kim thing. Then the worst, as everyone has pointed out already, was Erika. I was putting together furniture while watching the episode and literally stopped and looked up when she said that crap about "if she hasn't had a threesome already." Who says that about a child? Disgusting. She should be ashamed. 

Edited May 28, 2020 by Legalbeagle421

[hoodooznoodooz]

If one of you drops dead, not my fault.

Whose fault would it be, Rinna?

This woman is disgusting.

She doesn’t deserve a dog.

Edited May 28, 2020 by hoodooznoodooz

[ParadoxLost]

5 minutes ago, enchantingmonkey said:

After this episode, I'm leaning towards Denise setting up the other housewives by having her kids at the party with them.  She knows these dinner parties involve some kind of sex talk or screaming fights, so I find it hard to believe she thought there would only be PG-rated conversations and that they'd all be on their best behavior.  It's funny that the editing monkeys showed how Denise was being disingenuous about how the sex talk impacted her daughter.  How would all of this be playing out if Denise admitted to them that her daughter laughed about the sex talk?  Denise is officially playing the Housewives' game.   

I'm solidly coming down this way.  What seals it for me is that there was that no other HW brought their kids or made excuses on why their kid didn't come.  This was no kid friendly event and Denise sprung the kids on them.

That doesn't make it right for them to proceed as if the kids weren't there but I think that is where the animosity towards Denise trying to make them look bad is coming from.

[FlyingEgret]

I am not an Erika apologist, but I thought her comment about the 14 year old threesomes was generic or even referring to herself at that age.  But even so, if I were Denise or any of her daughter's friends' moms I would be livid...

Also - just for continuity - Dorit sucks

[ShawnaLanne]

4 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

I'm solidly coming down this way.  What seals it for me is that there was that no other HW brought their kids or made excuses on why their kid didn't come.  This was no kid friendly event and Denise sprung the kids on them.

That doesn't make it right for them to proceed as if the kids weren't there but I think that is where the animosity towards Denise trying to make them look bad is coming from.

If she's playing the deep game good for her. If they can't hold off at one dinner to take their game down, and then keep shooting themselves and and each other in the foot, that's on them. 

If they were aiming to bring something else about a threesome up and she outflanked them, they should have retreated to fight another day. They muddied their own waters. LVP must be loving this. 

[ParadoxLost]

24 minutes ago, 80sBaby said:

Erika really seems to have a problem with Denise and the others are jumping on the bandwagon.

I have the feeling that Denise hit that nerve in Ericka where she gets genuinely enraged to the point that its time to hide the cutlery.  And nothing Ericka does after that point is right or good and often its scary as hell.  

[biakbiak]

15 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

What seals it for me is that there was that no other HW brought their kids or made excuses on why their kid didn't come.  This was no kid friendly event and Denise sprung the kids on them.

That doesn't make it right for them to proceed as if the kids weren't there but I think that is where the animosity towards Denise trying to make them look bad is coming from.

How would they have looked bad if they had just acted like decent guests and adhered to their hosts requests or looking at a table full of kids decided it wasn’t an appropriate time or place on their own.

Edited May 28, 2020 by biakbiak

[Ms Blue Jay]

1 hour ago, bencr said:

It really seems like these women are indulging in controversy just for the sake of controversy. Both of the major areas of "conflict" among the women just don't seem like things they, or anyone else, would argue about . First, who cares if Kyle is closer to Teddy than the other ladies? Why is that a source of conflict? And second, if Denise doesn't want you to have an adult conversation in front of her kids, then don't do it. Why argue about it? Neither one of these two areas of conflict are worth fighting about. I feel like this whole season so far has been much ado about nothing.

I try so hard with this show out of curiosity, boredom, and FOMO.  I've tried so many episodes of this show.  Every episode feels incredibly scripted from the first minute to the last.  This season and last.  Nothing has changed.  (I realize it's my own fault for trying). I don't understand the point of this show whatsoever.

Maybe Garcelle is on the show for diversity and to promote Coming 2 America and guess what?  I don't care and I love it, because I love her and always have.  Go for it

Edited May 28, 2020 by Ms Blue Jay

[Rahul]

When you're constantly having to "clear the air" with your "friends" because of lingering tensions and acerbic comments that were made, you should know that they aren't really your friends. 

Denise likely knows that these women aren't true friends but rather work acquaintances she must tolerate for a paycheck. Nevertheless, I felt very bad for her this episode. Not only did Erika make an astoundingly horrible and inappropriate comment simultaneously sexualizing and slut shaming Denise's 14 year old daughter but Rinna, who Denise actually did consider a friend, showed her true colors and made her squirm on camera for a silly Bravo producer bonus.

Edited May 28, 2020 by Rahul

[hoodooznoodooz]

I like how, instead of three hours of glam prep, Dorit elicits a “so nice and comfy” from Kyle.

 

[RealHousewife]

18 minutes ago, FlyingEgret said:

I am not an Erika apologist, but I thought her comment about the 14 year old threesomes was generic or even referring to herself at that age.  But even so, if I were Denise or any of her daughter's friends' moms I would be livid...

I know. Remember when Erika went ballistic on Eileen, someone who was beyond kind to her, for using a bad analogy mentioning her son? Or the number of apologies Erika demanded from Dorit and PK during pantygate? We all make mistakes and say things we wish we could take back, but I hope Erika gives a genuine apology. 

I am one of the few who likes Rinna, but I was very disappointed by how she treated Denise. You don't talk to a true friend like that. 

[BusyOctober]

I haven’t been a big fan of Denise, but I am on her side in this stupid, boring, nit-picking, pot stirring “plot”.  My house, my kids and their friends present, then my rules.  She is not in the wrong for asking these horny middle aged women to chill with the sex talk in the presence of children. If anything, I will put blame on Denise for actually inviting the stupid, vapid, disloyal, petty bunch of bitches to her home in the first place. 

As for the Pit of Vipers, is this the ground they want to plant their Mean Girl flag?  Over a diamond shaped ice sculpture, and whether it’s cool to discuss adult topics in front of teens (and tweens) just because of past risqué or outrageous behaviors by the parents? 

  Then  Kyle would have no problem with her girlfriends discussing Aunty Kim’s whacko behavior, addictions, shop lifting and hospitalizations in front of Portia?  How about how Kyle’s mom was a controlling, alcoholic stage mom who pushed her daughters into acting to help pay the mortgage, and caused irreparable damage to their psyches (addiction, self-esteem issues, anxiety, eating disorders)?

 Rinna would be all cool beans if the ladies want to hang out at the (fake) DNA store with Thing 1 & Thing 2 to discuss the rumors about Harry’s past allegations, or the long swirling rumor that he is gay, and Rinna has been his beard for decades?

Do Dorit and PK welcome lengthy poolside cocktails & conversation in front of their toddlers about their Daddy’s gambling debts, and how he has such abysmally poor credit that he can’t put his name on the house they live in?
 

Now THOSE are the scenes I would love to see on RHOBH. 

Edited May 28, 2020 by BusyOctober

[Rahul]

I suspect the reason for Erika's vile remarks about Sami were two fold. First, Erika has typically been guarded around this group of women. She let her guard down and shared a story about her first (and only?) threesome, for which she was rebuked.  Erika, though she claims to give no fucks, actually gives plenty of fucks. Thus, she lashed out at Denise and her daughter when she felt offended and insulted.

Second, Erika exhibits hysterical, almost sociopathic behavior when she feels judged as a parent, probably because she still feels a great deal of guilt for abandoning her son to pursue her acting career in Hollywood and land herself a wealthy husband. In the past Erika has flown off the handle if someone mentions her parental practices or her son is referred to even tangentially. In this case, Denise being a good mother and enforcing boundaries around what is and is not appropriate around her children somehow set Erika off and she felt opprobrium.

None of this is to say Erika's behavior is excusable. I hope she's being called out on social media for her tactlessness and insensitivity.

[Lady of nod]

2 hours ago, biakbiak said:

I disagree I think she is reacting to the women telling her over and over again that she has no right to make that request because of what she has said at parties with no children present and even worse because of who their father is. They are making a much bigger deal out of it and acting like she through them out of her house when actually she asked them repeatedly to not have the convo and they refused. 

I think that of all the howife  shows I watch, this franchise is the queen of beating a dead horse. One little non issue or one remark gets regurgitated for the rest of the season as nauseum. Here they are in a beautiful setting and they have nothing to talk about except what the've previously talked about. They're so fucking boring. They have nothing interesting to say. Ever. 

Leave Denise the fuck alone. Her house her rules. Don't be so gd offended that she asked you to consider the kids are there. Me thinks Erika and Rhinna are well aware of their failures at parenting and that's why they take it as a personal attack. Erika's remark about 14 year olds and threesomes was way out of line and disgusting. I wonder what Mr G would think of that.

[Door County Cherry]

3 hours ago, Andi27 said:

The producers must really hate Sutton - she's constantly being filmed, but is just a 'friend of,' while Garcelle is barely ever with the other women but got a diamond.

She didn't get the diamond because her ex refused to let her children film the show.  For all we may bitch and complain about seeing the families of these women, I guess it's part of the requirement getting the diamond.  I do find it kind of hilarious that whenever we see Garcelle, it's rarely with the women; it's with her kids, her ex or even her friends. 

2 hours ago, Straycat80 said:

Does Denise not realize her girls are teens and there is the internet, You Tube, and their friends will tell them  stuff about their parents they read or heard? 

I think that's what made me roll my eyes in this episode.  Someone had just pointed out that she put up an Instagram regarding Aaron's endowments which she took down because it made her daughter uncomfortable.  Yet she still claimed that the conversations she had on the show wouldn't be something her kids would know about. 

Oh and the fact that she wouldn't respond when asked how her daughter reacted.  

 

2 hours ago, Silver Bells said:

Blah, blah, blah.  Same ole shit.  I never knew what a threesome was until a few years ago, lol.  I have girlfriends from grammar school still, and close friends over the years and we never ever talk about sex with our husbands ever.  We talk in joking, but never about our sex lives.  Maybe it’s the new norm .. I don’t know.

Whether people talk about sex is probably a personal choice.  However, it's much easier to find out about sex/sexual things without having to talk about it with friends these days.  The internet is there for any kind of question. 

I do think it's still possible for teens to be unaware of kinkiness.  Do I think the children of Denise Richards and Charlie Sheen are going to be those people?  Nope. 

That said, I'm not sure Rinna was right that the kids would go watch Wild Things.  They are likely going to be told about it but I'm going to think most kids would actively choose to avoid actually watching it. I think Meg Ryan's son was in his 20s before he actually watched the diner scene from When Harry Met Sally.  

2 hours ago, Emmeline said:

Exactly, and Denise also had friends of her kids at the house too.  Can you imagine the kids relaying the adult conversation to their parents?  
 

Well, as I said last week, I would question why parents would send their children over to be filmed at an alcohol-fueled adult party for a Bravo reality show at the house of a woman who can't stop bragging about her husband's dick and who invited her ex-husband's escort to have Thanksgiving with them (I actually think that was a lovely think Denise did but still...).

If they clutched their pearls, I'd point out that the parenting fail happened long before the word "threesome" was muttered. 

[UsernameFatigue]

If the producers want to make it look like these conversations are organic, they have to do a much better job of editing. As I watched the breakfast conversation during the last few minutes of the show, food was appearing and disappearing. At one point when Kyle was giving a half assed apology to Dorito, Teddi was being shot from the back and had no food in front of her. As Kyle finishes her sentence, the shot changes to showing the front of Teddi who is sitting beside Dorito, and viola, she is eating from a plate of food. So obviously Kyle repeated that sentence at least once and at different times for Teddi to be eating during one version of it and not during another. Sheesh. It was as bad as last week's RHoNY where Luann was having lunch with Sonja and Tinsley (I think it was) and Sonja's OJ kept appearing and disappearing. 

In any case ThreesomeGate is no more interesting than PuppyGate. Yawn. 

[RealHousewife]

2 minutes ago, Lady of nod said:

I think that of all the howife  shows I watch, this franchise is the queen of beating a dead horse. One little non issue or one remark gets regurgitated for the rest of the season as nauseum. Here they are in a beautiful setting and they have nothing to talk about except what the've previously talked about. They're so fucking boring. They have nothing interesting to say. Ever. 

Leave Denise the fuck alone. Her house her rules. Don't be so gd offended that she asked you to consider the kids are there. Me thinks Erika and Rhinna are well aware of their failures at parenting and that's why they take it as a personal attack. Erika's remark about 14 year olds and threesomes was way out of line and disgusting. I wonder what Mr G would think of that.

They really do. I got where the other ladies were coming from to a degree, but enough's enough with this issue. I could see them genuinely forgetting there are kids nearby, especially after Aaron's penis was mentioned and the cursing. I tend to get looser depending on what's being said around me, but if the hostess said to keep it tame, I'd be like so sorry! And immediately drop the threesome talk. This is another pantygate/doggygate type of thing.

I'm curious what Tom would think too. I think Erika cares a lot about what he thinks, hence why she wants the women to be ladies when they're at her place. There's a lot about Erika I really like and actually relate to, but she has double standards herself with how one should behave when a guest in someone's home. Granted when she's gone the most berserk it's been in public settings, but she's gotten aggressive filming at housewives' houses too. I'd love to see how she'd react if someone told her to be quiet because she's a guest in their home or was told she should have known who she invited to her house if she didn't like their behavior.

[ShawnaLanne]

1 hour ago, Rahul said:

I suspect the reason for Erika's vile remarks about Sami were two fold. First, Erika has typically been guarded around this group of women. She let her guard down and shared a story about her first (and only?) threesome, for which she was rebuked.  Erika, though she claims to give no fucks, actually gives plenty of fucks. Thus, she lashed out at Denise and her daughter when she felt offended and insulted.

Second, Erika exhibits hysterical, almost sociopathic behavior when she feels judged as a parent, probably because she still feels a great deal of guilt for abandoning her son to pursue her acting career in Hollywood and land herself a wealthy husband. In the past Erika has flown off the handle if someone mentions her parental practices or her son is referred to even tangentially. In this case, Denise being a good mother and enforcing boundaries around what is and is not appropriate around her children somehow set Erika off and she felt opprobrium.

None of this is to say Erika's behavior is excusable. I hope she's being called out on social media for her tactlessness and insensitivity.

You know, I've gone pretty hard on Erica because she's so awful, attacking like some feral animal when she has certain buttons pushed, but that's her thing, I really don't think Denise was attacking anyone's parenting by setting and defending boundaries. I also don't think it's fair that a woman gets eviscerated for pursuing dreams. Men do what she did all the time and they don't get the same moral outrage thrown at them. But again, that's not on Denise. So like you said, no pass. 

I'm going to try to come to next week's show with a different attitude. I'm going to go thinking Denise brought her kids to dinner as buffers. The women attacked anyway and then crossed a line, that Denise wasn't expecting, because who would? Now everyone else is on attack from a position of weakness. I'm going to enjoy watching them dig their own graves, and Denise give them the shovels.

[swankie]

5 hours ago, Straycat80 said:

Garcelle saying goodbye to her sons because she’s going away to work. 

Why did Garcelle even sign up for this show if she's going to be out of town on other jobs all the time?  I'm barely getting to know anything about her relationships with the other women because she's rarely around them.  And then she had the nerve to wonder why Kyle looks past her.  It's hard to connect with someone who isn't there most of the time. 

 

4 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Wow. It's going to be an entire season of these women trying to take Denise down because they are embarrassed by their own behavior.

 Erika was way out of line saying what she did about Denise's daughters.  To even suggest what she did even in jest was very inappropriate.   I bet if anyone said anything derogatory about her son she would be ready to scratch their eyes out.  No Erika!  Just because you were probably a slutty 14 year old doesn't mean Denise's daughters are.  I wish I was a fly on the wall to see Denise's face watching this episode.  

 

 

[ShawnaLanne]

5 minutes ago, swankie said:

Why did Garcelle even sign up for this show if she's going to be out of town on other jobs all the time?  I'm barely getting to know anything about her relationships with the other women because she's rarely around them.  And then she had the nerve to wonder why Kyle looks past her.  It's hard to connect with someone who isn't there most of the time. 

 

 Erika was way out of line saying what she did about Denise's daughters.  To even suggest what she did even in jest was very inappropriate.   I bet if anyone said anything derogatory about her son she would be ready to scratch their eyes out.  No Erika!  Just because you were probably a slutty 14 year old doesn't mean Denise's daughters are.  I wish I was a fly on the wall to see Denise's face watching this episode.  

 

 

I can't wait to to see her reaction at the reunion!

[Hiyo]

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Procedurally, I feel Denise is correct here, if that makes any sense, but substantively, I think she’s full of shit.  She has every right to make any rule in her home and anyone who is there has to follow the rules or leave, but the subtext was that Denise goes on TV and talks about happy endings and her husband’s penis size and her ex-husband’s women of the evening, saying “fuck” and “goddamn” at every turn, and if she’s not going to address that, she’s not going to win the day with me.  

And for me as well.

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Sutton for the quiet win here for suggesting that maybe Denise just shouldn’t have the kids around the group aka when the TV show is filming the women drinking

Or when the women are all around, period. Teddi had the right feelings with regards to her inviting the women to her event, she just expressed herself badly. But she did have the right idea, these women + event + booze = good luck for the hostess.