S12.E07: How Ya Like Them Apples?

[ancslove]

I'm really hoping that this is the season where everyone holds Dorinda's feet to the fire.  I think she's kind of skated through because her anger can sometimes be funny for viewers, and previous seasons had Sonja's depressing delusions, Bethenny's meltdowns, and Luann's high-handed arrogance.  But by now, everyone on and off the show has learned what happens when Dorinda gets drunk and vicious.

Tinsley's defense of herself this episode was perfectly coherent, and it's a shame that everyone dismissed her because her vocal pitch was "too high" for their liking.  Also interesting for Ramona to confirm that she's afraid of Dorinda.

 

[Callaphera]

Dorinda is just sucking the fun out of these early episodes with her anger and hateful, spiteful attitude. And that God awful frosted lipstick makeup look in her talking head. Yeesh. Not a good season for Dorinda. 

[Hangin Out]

Drunken Dorinda and all of her “sayings”.  She reminds me of an old lady.

[65mickey]

I know that everyone grieves differently. But Dorinda was married to Richard for 6 years and he has been dead for 9 years. If she can't come to terms with her grief and move forward after 9 years she needs therapy. Yes she will always miss Richard but her alcohol fueled rages are so self destructive. And now she is on the I've grown and my expectations have grown I no longer need John. I would love to know how many times he had to carry her drunken ass out of parties when she lost it on someone. 

Edited May 15, 2020 by 65mickey

[Hangin Out]

O.k. Contessa LuAnn.  Leahs apartment isn’t to your taste.  She gave her child the big bedroom and has a small coffee table.  So what?  Apartments in the City are expensive.  STFU, you snob.  Next time, stay home.

[Coffeewinewater]

18 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

I know that everyone grieves differently. But Dorinda was married to John for 6 years and he has been dead for 9 years. If she can't come to terms with her grief and move forward after 9 years she needs therapy. Yes she will always miss Richaard but her alcohol fueled rages are so self destructive. And now she is on the I've grown and my expectations have grown I no longer need John. I would love to know how many times he had to carry her drunken ass out of parties when she lost it on someone. 

I'm sure there were plenty.

John is John I don't know if I'd spend time with him but damn everyone seemed to throw his and Dorinda's bad behavior on him. 

I feel like I really dislike all these women.  Luann going to Leah's and doing that snooty ass talking head. Woman your drunken ass  was arrested trying to beat up a cop. Save me the bs about Leah's shabby apartment. I bet cells are pretty shabby in south Florida jail,  just saying. 

Shut up Ramona and Sonja.

All these woman are so damn full of themselves. 

And now I really want an apple cider doughnut 😋

Edited May 15, 2020 by Coffeewinewater

[chewycandy]

27 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

She did at first and than Ramona told her she was serious, Lu smiled amd shrugged her shoulders and drank it. She definitely knew and than she drank more of it after the first drink.

Right, but I don’t think she necessarily lied when relaying the story to Leah. She said “I thought it was water” which perhaps she did at the beginning; then after discovering it wasn’t, was like, what the hell, a few more sips. 

Edited May 15, 2020 by chewycandy

[enchantingmonkey]

58 minutes ago, dosodog said:

It is something you can't understand until you experience it yourself.  I dont mean that as a slight, but the gauntlet of emotions you experience doesn't have an expiration date on this one

Thank you for your insight.  It gives some much needed perspective on Dorinda's behavior this season.  

 

12 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

Tonight was very uncomfortable to watch, imo. 

It's pretty rare that I reach for the FF button during an argument but I couldn't get through the fight between Dorinda and Tinsley tonight.  It made me appreciate the petty squabbles of Beverly Hills a little more.  

[Hangin Out]

Dorinda has a very high opinion of herself.  She thinks she’s so intelligent and worldly and better than anyone.  Tinsley can put her in her back pocket.

[Pondlass1]

It’s not entertaining anymore.  Sonja is just sad and Dorinda is a nasty vicious bully.

 

[UsernameFatigue]

7 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

I know that everyone grieves differently. But Dorinda was married to Richard for 6 years and he has been dead for 9 years. If she can't come to terms with her grief and move forward after 9 years she needs therapy. Yes she will always miss Richard but her alcohol fueled rages are so self destructive. And now she is on the I've grown and my expectations have grown I no longer need John. I would love to know how many times he had to carry her drunken ass out of parties when she lost it on someone. 

We all have relatives and friends who have lost their spouse. And some of the posters here have shared that they have lost their spouse. My sincere sympathy to everyone who has gone through such a terrible loss.

However, of all the friends and relatives I have who have lost spouses, no one - not one - has treated people the way Dorinda does. And not to make comparisons, but my mom lost the love of her life (my dad) unexpectedly after 45 years of marriage. Over the next 11 years (not much different than the time Dorinda has been a widow) she developed breast cancer twice, suffered a stroke where she lost her ability to speak, developed other illnesses including seizure disorder, and died of pancreatic cancer. She lived those last 11 years with grace, kindness, and dignity. Because that is who she was.  Dorinda is a mean person because that is who she is. 

[Bronzedog]

I think part of Dorinda's problem is that John broke up with her and since she always thought he was beneath her, she's freaking out that even he didn't want to be with her. Just a guess.

[bichonblitz]

Hey, Lu. That tacky 2 bedroom apartment with the tiny furniture probably rents for $5,000-$6,000 a month in NYC and if Leah owns it she paid upwards of 1 million for it so STFU you elitist bitch! Oh, and it wasn't just falling in the bushes, dear. Aside from the arrest, Bethenny broke the 4th wall and told the story on camera about you calling her ex and asking for 6 million dollars and you running through a field in the dark falling down drunk while your friends tried to catch you before you had an accident. Again, you fucking elitist delusional bitch. 

Sonya with her disgusting sexual comments does she think she's Samantha from Sex and the City? She turns off every man that comes within 6 feet of her. 

Dorinda crying that when Richard died she had nobody, nooooobodyyyy. Umm you had your mother, father, sister and daughter to start with. Stop with your revisionist history. Then with her "I was a good mother, a good wife, I didn't deserve this!" Well, I don't deserve listening to your bullshit anymore. 

Leah really disappointed when she went to Dorinda as soon as Tinsley walked away from the table and started kissing her ass. No bueno, Leah. You are dead to me now. 

Sorry for the long post. This episode had infuriated me and I hate all of them except Tinsley. 

Edited May 15, 2020 by bichonblitz
Forgot Dorinda's sister. But she had nobody.

[Coffeewinewater]

7 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

I think part of Dorinda's problem is that John broke up with her and since she always thought he was beneath her, she's freaking out that even he didn't want to be with her. Just a guess.

Omg this. I thought maybe this what really happened.  Of course I dont know but it's interesting to think about.

Sonja as always is gross.

Edited May 15, 2020 by Coffeewinewater

[Ms Blue Jay]

I didn't find the apartment tacky or shabby at all.   

[biakbiak]

14 minutes ago, chewycandy said:

Right, but I don’t think she necessarily lied when relaying the story to Leah. She said “I thought it was water” which perhaps she did at the beginning; then after discovering it wasn’t, was like, what the hell, a few more sips. 

My point was that she appeared to believe Ramona before she took the first drink because she started to put it down and than did a what the hell expression and drank so yes she lied.

[snarts]

To be fair, it appeared as if Luann was asked about Leah's apartment and struggled with what to say  i was yelling cozy, say it's cozy!  Of course, the Countess acted like the Countess.

For those that were asking, she rents a new pied a terre every year for filming. Her primary residence is upstate, although she also spends time at the Sag Harbor house. 

Most recent apartment: https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/style-living/luann-de-lesseps-upper-west-side-apartment-tour

https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/style-living/luann-de-lesseps-nyc-apartment-photos

Early 2019 apartment: https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/home-design/luann-de-lesseps-nyc-apartment-photos

[Keywestclubkid]

After watching this Dorinda should honestly feel ashamed of her behavior.. No one deserves or should have the absolute hate that she threw tonight. At then end of the day Dorinda you being Tinslys elder should have held your composure. You are acting every bit as immature as you are accusing Tinsly of being. You are a bully there is no way around that now. She should seriously apologize... and stop drinking all together  

[tranquilidade]

Sometimes I think dorinda mourns her life style more than Richard. Something about her is so unbalanced.

[BusyOctober]

I sure hope Bravo reimburses all these businesses for the damage and hazmat services required after any Housewives outing. Not to mention therapy for the men who are sexually harassed by Sonja, Ramona and Lu.  For fuck sake...I don’t think a bunch of drunken frat guys would destroy shit like these women.  I’ve seen a classroom full of kindergarteners with behavior issues act more respectfully.  Climbing the apple trees? Ripping off ears of corn and stuffing them in your purse? Taking a piss in the middle of a corn maze where other guests will be walking through??? I guarantee Sonja and Leah left their used toilet paper or corn leaves behind in the maze.  All this atrocious behavior on top of drunkenly screaming at each other as other paying customers tried to have a nice lunch is appalling. 

Messy Drunk Sonja has never been funny to me.  It is sad and distressing, and it gets worse every season.  I am no Prohibitionist and enjoy letting lose with a few drinks.  But as a 40+ year old mother to a teen daughter, slurring my ramblings, flashing my pubic area or boobs, and molesting anyone sitting near me is just not anything that would ever happen.  I know my limit, and have true friends who would shut that shit down and toss my ass in an Uber before I made a fool of myself. 

[ShawnaLanne]

1 hour ago, Neurochick said:

I think she's both.  Look at Dorinda now, pouring herself her 18176262 drink of the day. 

I wonder how Dorinda would feel if she had to face off with one of the Atlanta, Potomac, or Beverly Hills housewives.

I would love for Kenya to go off on her. They match in mean craziness but Kenya is so much smarter.

[Keywestclubkid]

1 minute ago, tranquilidade said:

Sometimes I think dorinda mourns her life style more than Richard. Something about her is so unbalanced.

That’s exactly Dorinda and Sonjas issue with Tinsly. She is partly what Sonja was and Dorinda misses being. Dorinda absolutely misses being the lady of the manor with her wealthy friends and no financial worries same with Sonja the only difference is I think Dorinda actually might have loved her husband. They see Tinsly not really needing to work or worry about bills or getting new clothes and it eats them alive. How dare she be something when they no longer are she must be knocked down a few pegs. That is their mindset and it comes across and is BULLYING... it’s sad these 50+ year old woman are still doing this and trying to act like they arnt in the wrong when they clearly are. 

[ancslove]

Arguably, Bethenny has said worse to Luann.  But with Dorinda, it's the long, drawn-out mockery that tips her over the edge.  That's not just getting into a no-holds-barred argument or losing it in a rant.  

 Sonja is a bad drunk who'd be charged with sexual harassment if she were a man (and she should have stayed out of the D/T fight), but at least she's not deliberately cruel.

[UsernameFatigue]

26 minutes ago, snarts said:

To be fair, it appeared as if Luann was asked about Leah's apartment and struggled with what to say  i was yelling cozy, say it's cozy!  Of course, the Countess acted like the Countess.

For those that were asking, she rents a new pied a terre every year for filming. Her primary residence is upstate, although she also spends time at the Sag Harbor house. 

Most recent apartment: https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/style-living/luann-de-lesseps-upper-west-side-apartment-tour

https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/style-living/luann-de-lesseps-nyc-apartment-photos

Early 2019 apartment: https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/home-design/luann-de-lesseps-nyc-apartment-photos

I remember the apartment that Lu moved to after Tom dumped her. It wasn't much different in size than Leah's. I remember the owner left books in bookshelves. But ya, it was nothing to brag about. (Lu's I mean). 

I will say though that I am disappointed that none of the howives have great apartments. Sonja, Leah, Ramona, Dorinda all live in shoe boxes. I understand that NYC is expensive, but I tune in partly for real estate porn, and this show is no longer doing it for me. I actually loved Sonja's townhouse, even if it was falling apart. 

That must be the reason they are showing so many scenes of the howives getting together in parks, walking together, etc. I would imagine it isn't easy to film in such cramped spaces as the apartments most are living in. 

Edited May 15, 2020 by UsernameFatigue

[njbchlover]

2 minutes ago, ancslove said:

Arguably, Bethenny has said worse to Luann.  But with Dorinda, it's the long, drawn-out mockery that tips her over the edge.  That's not just getting into a no-holds-barred argument or losing it in a rant.  

 Sonja is a bad drunk who'd be charged with sexual harassment if she were a man (and she should have stayed out of the D/T fight), but at least she's not deliberately cruel.

Well said!!  I was thinking the same thing about Dorinda (comparing tonight to past episodes with Bethenny) - the mockery and faux outrage at Tinsley's rebuttal is what made Dorinda a total bully tonight.  It was sad, really, because I usually do like Dorinda, except for when she acts like she did tonight.  

I don't know if there is more to the story that we are not privy to because it happened off camera or when they weren't filming, or if it is just that Dorinda truly doesn't like Tinsley, for whatever reason.  Either way, it was uncomfortable to watch.

I guess we'll see this all play out as Tinsley supposedly distances herself more and more from the group as the season goes on, from what we've read and seen in the press.  I can't say I blame her after tonight's episode.  

[Hangin Out]

35 minutes ago, enchantingmonkey said:

Thank you for your insight.  It gives some much needed perspective on Dorinda's behavior this season.  

 

It's pretty rare that I reach for the FF button during an argument but I couldn't get through the fight between Dorinda and Tinsley tonight.  It made me appreciate the petty squabbles of Beverly Hills a little more.  

Speaking of Beverly Hills.  They must be laughing their asses off at this shit show tonight.

[Ms Blue Jay]

3 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I will say though that I am disappointed that none of the howives have great apartments. Sonja, Leah, Ramona, Dorinda all live in shoe boxes. I understand that NYC is expensive, but I tune in partly for real estate porn, and this show is no longer doing it for me. I actually loved Sonja's townhouse, even if it was falling apart. 

I've never seen Ramona live in a shoebox.  I think her NYC apartment is beautiful.  Also, Ramona's Hamptons mansion is enormous and Dorinda's Berkshires house is enormous.

Not all of them can be millionaires like Bethenny.  That's a one in a million bank account.

[tranquilidade]

Tinsley is the only one who is going to be a wife. She’s got what they want. She gets the last laugh.

[Hangin Out]

4 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I remember the apartment that Lu moved to after Tom dumped her. It wasn't much different in size than Leah's. I remember the owner left books in bookshelves. But ya, it was nothing to brag about.

I will say though that I am disappointed that none of the howives have great apartments. Sonja, Leah, Ramona, Dorinda all live in shoe boxes. I understand that NYC is expensive, but I tune in partly for real estate porn, and this show is no longer doing it for me. I actually loved Sonja's townhouse, even if it was falling apart. 

That must be the reason they are showing so many scenes of the howives getting together in parks, walking together, etc. I would imagine it isn't easy to film in such cramped spaces as the apartments most are living in. 

I was thinking the same thing today.  No more dinners at the apartments and houses.  Everything is being filmed outside.  That alone takes away from the show.

[UsernameFatigue]

5 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I've never seen Ramona live in a shoebox.  I think her NYC apartment is beautiful.  Also, Ramona's Hamptons mansion is enormous and Dorinda's Berkshires house is enormous.

Not all of them can be millionaires like Bethenny.  That's a one in a million bank account.

Ooops, you are right. Ramona's new apartment isn't what her old one was (and she has said that she doesn't like her new apartment) but it is a decent size. I did prefer her old apartment, but the new one is decent too. Didn't she say she was selling it too as she has never felt comfortable in it? 

Edited May 15, 2020 by UsernameFatigue

[oakville]

2 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Again Dorinda is obsessed with Tinsly. 

Dorinda was very rude to Tinsley at the Apple farm. I am glad that Tinsley fought back.

[LibertarianSlut]

17 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I will say though that I am disappointed that none of the howives have great apartments. Sonja, Leah, Ramona, Dorinda all live in shoe boxes. I understand that NYC is expensive, but I tune in partly for real estate porn, and this show is no longer doing it for me. I actually loved Sonja's townhouse, even if it was falling apart. 

I agree with all of this so thoroughly (except the part about loving Sonja’s townhouse—that place always looked like it smelled bad to me).  Yes, living in NYC is insanely expensive.  I’m sure Leah’s apartment is at least $5,000 a month, but...it looks like hell.  It’s small and white and boring like Dorinda’s apartment.   I’d rather live in an outer borough like Alex McCord than live like that.  They seem to either be renting or too lazy to put up a nice coat of paint.  

I’ve always thought Ramona’s apartment was ok, about equal with Jill’s, but not the real estate for which we tune in.  Notice how we never see Ramona’s kitchen?  I would say they are in the middle, on par with Kristen’s, Jules’s and Carole’s apartments.  They might be extremely expensive.  But they’re not nice.  

The apartments don’t have to be Bethenny-level nice for me to appreciate them.  People who have had fabulous Manhattan apartments on this show in the past have been Kelly, Jennifer Gilbert, Cindy, and Aviva probably just barely.  I am talking high ceilings, marble, modern kitchens and bathrooms, lots of space, closet space, and no freaking wires sticking out everywhere.  In other words, just places I like to see.  

If they don’t film them at home—if they can’t keep up—I don’t really think they should be on the show.  Having a great home should be part of it.  I mentioned that I am re-watching season five right now and they simply never show Heather at home because she doesn’t live in NYC, and it really affects how I view her in a negative way.  

We should be able to see their homes, and they should have great real estate in New York City, even if it’s not at a Bethenny level.  It’s expensive, but that’s one of the reasons New York is considered the best.  

Edited May 15, 2020 by LibertarianSlut
Another thing

[SailorGirl]

1 hour ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Thank you.  I thought that Leah was saying Turnip Sonja, and believe me, I didn't understand the reference.  

She was actually saying "turnt up" -- https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Turnt Up

[Ms Blue Jay]

Quote

 I would say they are in the middle, on par with Kristen’s, Jules’s and Carole’s apartments.  They might be extremely expensive.  But they’re not nice.  

Jules had an enormous house where they were adding a built in pool.... .  Also Carole's apartment was amazing , before and after her redecorating.  

 

To say that Carole's Soho Duplex is "not nice"?  I disagree.

https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/carole-radziwill-gives-ad-a-tour-of-her-soho-duplex

Edited May 15, 2020 by Ms Blue Jay

[oakville]

2 hours ago, laprin said:

I used to find Dorinda entertaining, but she’s morphed into a miserable biddy. If that’s her idea of growing, no thanks. 

She has become very angry this season. It can't just be about her renovation issues or John.

I was hoping to see Ramona "make it nice" at the Berkshires.

[bichonblitz]

2 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Jules had an enormous house....  She never had an apartment.

Jules and her husband most definitely had an apartment in the city. And the enormous house (I think in the Hamptons?) 

[Ms Blue Jay]

6 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Jules and her husband most definitely had an apartment in the city. And the enormous house (I think in the Hamptons?) 

Okay, even better I thought.  She had two places instead of one.

[RedDelicious]

Nah, I still don’t think Bethenny has the highest net worth of the NY wives. She’s got a ton of overhead in mortgages and I think the bloom is off the Skinny Girl brand as a whole. The jeans are horrendous and her pre-mixed alcohol drinks are passé. 

[tranquilidade]

Dorinda’s hatefulness tonight was so over the top. She can’t effectively  argue she has to  slaughter with denigrating  insults.  She attacks the person not the issue and in fact she Manufactures an issue to attack.  I can’t get over what I saw tonight.

[gatopretoNYC]

I missed some stuff on the first watch -

Luann is all "Oh, that tiny table won't hold all the food I brought!" Bitch, please. That bag had two tiny water bottles, and at the most 2 small trays of sushi; 4 rolls max, looked more like 2. Give me a break.

Dorinda is just a fucking mean, nasty bitch. Holy cow.

[gatopretoNYC]

I think Leah's apartment just needs a nicer couch. I personally don't love the all-white look, but a lot of people seem to. The couch is just kinda shabby looking, especially for someone who has money.

[Bronzedog]

52 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I remember the apartment that Lu moved to after Tom dumped her. It wasn't much different in size than Leah's. I remember the owner left books in bookshelves. But ya, it was nothing to brag about. (Lu's I mean). 

 

The cell she was in in Florida was probably smaller, too.

[jaybird2]

5 minutes ago, gatopretoNYC said:

I missed some stuff on the first watch -

Luann is all "Oh, that tiny table won't hold all the food I brought!" Bitch, please. That bag had two tiny water bottles, and at the most 2 small trays of sushi; 4 rolls max, looked more like 2. Give me a break.

Dorinda is just a fucking mean, nasty bitch. Holy cow.

i officially DETEST dorinda!!!!!

[njbchlover]

52 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Ooops, you are right. Ramona's new apartment isn't what her old one was (and she has said that she doesn't like her new apartment) but it is a decent size. I did prefer her old apartment, but the new one is decent too. Didn't she say she was selling it too as she has never felt comfortable in it? 

I loved Ramona's old apartment - to me, that was one of the things I loved about this show when it started.  Her large, probably "classic six" on the Upper East Side was everything I dreamed about when I was a teenager who wanted to live in the city.  I even liked it when everyone else said that the aparment was dated.  Her renovations were well done, although I thought the apartment lost some of it's character and became another white on white on white box, like so many other apartments and homes right now.  

Her new apartment, while nice, just seems a little cold to me - it's like Ramona decorated it from a ZGallerie catalog - just more white on white on beige - no personality.  She decorated it like a model home - ready for re-sale.

The only lacking in both of Ramona's apartments (old and new) is any kind of outdoor space or terrace.  

Until Bethenny started making Skinnygirl money and buying/renovating/selling apartments as a hobby, Ramona's apartment and Sonja's townhouse still stand out as the best NYC real estate.  Kelly had a nice apartment, too, iirc.  Jill's apartment was tiny, Luann's townhouse was also small (and a rental, if I recall correctly), Alex's Brooklyn townhouse was always under construction, Bethenny lived in teeny, tiny apartments.  Carole's apartment was also okay, but again, I think it was only three rooms with a scary staircase.  Dorinda's apartments were both small.  I can't remember Aviva's, Kristen's or Heather's places.  I remember Jules' was also very small.  

Edited May 15, 2020 by njbchlover

[Emmeline]

There was no real problem between Tinsley and Dorinda until late last season.  Dorinda started saying that Tinsley was constantly shopping for expensive clothes and it didn’t add up.  Then she got on the bandwagon with Sonja implying that Scott pays her rent, etc.  That is why I can’t excuse Dorinda for verbally abusing Tinsley.  She is just picking on her for no good reason.  That said she is getting blasted on her Instagram. 

[Rahul]

My head hurts. That was a very painful hour to get through.

Dorinda needs an identity outside of Richard. Who is this woman, other than an irascible cantankerous wretch?

[maggiemae]

I haven't seen this show yet.

But I think Dorinda is not well at all. In a lot of ways.

But one is her posture....she is hunched over in the past epidodes.

She needs help in a lot of ways.

 

 

 

 

 

[Quita]

Not buying Lu's pearl clutching over a dick pic. I'm willing to bet she's been sent a few. 

[gatopretoNYC]

34 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Jules and her husband most definitely had an apartment in the city. And the enormous house (I think in the Hamptons?) 

She's the brunette who lived in the Flatiron area, right? 19th St?

I remember her going to this place near me, with Bethenny I think - The Tipsy Parson. $17 for avocado toast. 😂😂 I used to walk past there going to the lovely, inexpensive Zemi. $11 for yummy pan roasted flounder in lemon butter caper sauce.

[jaybird2]

47 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Jules had an enormous house where they were adding a built in pool.... .  Also Carole's apartment was amazing , before and after her redecorating.  

 

To say that Carole's Soho Duplex is "not nice"?  I disagree.

https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/carole-radziwill-gives-ad-a-tour-of-her-soho-duplex

this apt looks much larger than i remember.  it looked small when she was dating adam.