S12.E07: How Ya Like Them Apples?

[Mar]

5 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

This is her get out of jail free card for being nasty... you try to stop her and her first response is MY HUSBAND DIED .... No sweaty that's not an excuse ..... you dont get to treat people like shit because of that .... at some point I'm gonna say it again she needs to be held accountable for this shit ...

Thank you

[sheetmoss]

12 hours ago, biakbiak said:

He was literally doing dry cleaning for the Met, museums and every high end fashion designer in NYC long before he was ever on this show.

Yes, I know he was respected  cleaner w/costumes and high-end garments  - but I'm sure the extra  exposure didn't hurt his business-- plus probably word of mouth recommendations  from the other HO-wives as well

Also, remember when Bethenny mentioned he moth-proofed her closet--seem to recall  her saying it was $10,000...and on her flipping series  w/Frederik, John cleaned the upholstery after wine was spilled berfore the open house?

Edited May 15, 2020 by sheetmoss

[Mar]

4 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Also, I cannot take Sonja's drunken coarseness anymore, it is not clever or entertaining, it is sad and unwanted.  She tries for the shock value and it just comes off looking pathetic, enough already, nobody is that horny, Sonja telling everyone she got pounded hard, (ick, do we think she calls on a male prostitute?) who talks like that?

Her behavior is horrifying, disgusting, juvenile, and unwatchable. Time to get her off the show

[Mar]

3 hours ago, thesupremediva1 said:

That tennis bracelet/small dick comment was way fucking below the belt. Sonja, you wet-brained sop, if Tins was just looking for a guy with cash she could find one. And she'd be out screwing half of Manhattan, as you've done for years. Tinsley loves Scott and can't get over him! The comment was not based in any reality. 

It was a disgusting and hateful comment. Sonja needs to get over herself.

[sasha206]

I'm just starting this episode, but the boxer with "Dorita" and "Dinsdale" is killing me. I'm sure it's shtick, but it is still making me giggle.

Edited May 16, 2020 by sasha206

[Cherrio]

I strongly agree with the recent post(er) who reminded us who Dorinda has been since season one.

 I think what she thinks she is doing this year is taking over Bethenny's spot  and it obviously is failing miserably.  She is delusional in thinking she has the personality, humor and wit to do it.

Epic fail. Just like Jill Zarin.

I am not enjoying this season at all.  

[BrownBear2012]

This episode really disgusted me on so many levels. The drunken behavior at the winery/orchard/pumpkin patch in the middle of the day was gross. Peeing in the cornfield was beyond vile. I can't tell you how many times I took my kids to places like this in the fall and we spent time doing a corn maze...to think that grown ass women were squatting and peeing on it is just vile. Nice "Morgan" behavior Sonja...I'm sure your daughter is very proud of you. Leah seems to be trying to befriend everyone and will do whatever it is they are doing at the moment. They managed to make a wholesome place and a beautiful Fall day ugly and dirty.

Dorinda (or aka "Dorito") is awful this season. What a mean, bitter old bitch. She's an angry drunk and she does have a drinking problem. Her constant attacks on Tinsley are just sad and cruel. The mocking tone, the nastiness...it's just horrible. She is a bully and should be fired. I don't feel sorry for her...she has plenty of money and resources...she could be a better person and be happy but she prefers to pick on the weakest person in the group and NO ONE is stepping up to the plate to defend Tinsley...they just make excuses for Dorinda..."She's going through menopause"; "She's all alone"; "She's sad and misses Richard"...waa waa waa....She needs to deal with her drinking issue and get into therapy. She continues to accuse Tinsley of performing sexual favors for money and gifts and everyone just sits there...crickets. Tinsley is emotional and can't properly defend herself...the best thing for Tinsley to do is to ignore Dorinda and walk away everytime she starts attacking her. Ignore and walk away...let her rage at someone else. 

 

3 minutes ago, Cherrio said:

I strongly agree with the recent post(er) who reminded us who Dorinda has been since season one.

 I think what she thinks she is doing this year is taking over Bethenny's spot  and it obviously is failing miserably.  She is delusional in thinking she has the personality, humor and wit to do it.

Epic fail. Just like Jill Zarin.

I am not enjoying this season at all.  

Me neither...it's taken a very dark turn. 

[BrownBear2012]

I forgot in my previous post to mention Sonja's drunk sex talk inside the winery that even the server was embarrassed of...that whole scene with Sonja and some others describing "dick pics" and sexual acts was disgusting. They would be kicked out if they were not filming TV show.

Edited May 16, 2020 by BrownBear2012

[Chit Chat]

5 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Also, I cannot take Sonja's drunken coarseness anymore, it is not clever or entertaining, it is sad and unwanted. 

It's interesting that Sonja said she wanted a "healthy day" (no wine), but at the first sight of alcohol, she couldn't say no.  Note to Sonja;  Just because the other ladies drink doesn't mean you have to!  It's sad to see her not be able to restrain herself for just a few hours.  LuAnn actually seemed to be in control of what she drank.  I'm glad that she didn't get drunk and fall down in the corn maze!  Speaking of LuAnn, she has a lot of nerve to look down on someone and make fun of them because their apartment doesn't meet her standards.  Isn't the first rule of having class is to make that those around you feel just as important as you think you are?   

Edited May 15, 2020 by ChitChat

[Ms Blue Jay]

This reminds me of Dwight on "The Office" peeing into a can in the backseat of a car as Jim and Michael were driving him from Scranton to Utica.  And it wasn't even a long drive and he could have just asked them to stop the car.

[Hangin Out]

There’s no comparison to death and divorce, but when Ramona divorced Mario, I did not remember her crying the blues every minute for years.  That was a big blow, and she handled it pretty good for a marriage of twenty years.  Then again, she doesn’t seem to be a whiner.  She doesn’t look for sympathy.

[njbchlover]

5 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

I’m seriously behind, but did Dorinda get a boob job?  
 

My wonderful husband passed away two weeks ago after a 7 mos battle with cancer. He was only 68.   I want you all to know that reading your posts has kept me sane during the long dark nights.  I love you all. 
 

 

 

Butter Queen - My heart goes out to you - I'm so very sorry.  

[Ms Blue Jay]

21 minutes ago, Silver Bells said:

There’s no comparison to death and divorce, but when Ramona divorced Mario, I did not remember her crying the blues every minute for years.  That was a big blow, and she handled it pretty good for a marriage of twenty years.  Then again, she doesn’t seem to be a whiner.  She doesn’t look for sympathy.

Extremely good point.  It's kind of sad, because unfortunately I think she's very good at stifling her emotions and disassociating, after being raised in an abusive household.  I'm not judging her for it.  I think she's done a great, great job dealing with the divorce on the show, especially with the added humiliation of it all playing it out so publicly and on television.  AND so recently.  Much more recently than Richard dying.

That's why when she's drinking (in a just having fun sense, not a getting arrested sense, or peeing in public sense, or being abusive sense like the others), having fun, dancing, drinking slutty, hitting on men, I'm happy for her and I don't make fun of her for it or begrudge her for it one bit.  She's making the most of things and having fun.  I don't care what her age is, she should continue having fun and living her life the way she wants.

Funnily enough, drinking never seems to make Ramona abusive.  I think Ramona's been at her worst when sober.  She likes her wine and she's happy drinking it.  And Bethenny used to always say Ramona can drink all day and hold her liquor and the other women cannot catch up.  Which tends to explain Sonja falling down and having near death experiences in Miami or jumping naked into pools while Ramona is somehow completely calm and ready to go out dancing.  AND why I didn't even care when Ramona left her OWN Hamptons mansion to go party and left all the drunks behind.  LOL

Edited May 15, 2020 by Ms Blue Jay

[The Ringo Kidd]

6 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

She is using John/Richard  as a crutch to be able to drink and do these horrible things .... This is her get out of jail free card for being nasty... you try to stop her and her first response is MY HUSBAND DIED .... No sweaty that's not an excuse ..... you dont get to treat people like shit because of that .... at some point I'm gonna say it again she needs to be held accountable for this shit ...

I agree 1000%.

Best part of your post?

Calling Dorinda sweaty!

You are on the money brother!

[Mar]

2 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

I've placed the YouTube link on the Dorinda thread.

Thanks so much. I watched the short video and was astonished, absolutely astonished, that there was zero apology or acknowledging/taking responsibility for her behavior on the episode. She even said that Ramona was mean when she said that John had not graduated from university because he had. She was chuckling throughout when discussing the episode. Fame has certainly gone to her head and she believes she can do no wrong.

[biakbiak]

The thing about Dorinda is she ignores all the things in Tinsley’s life that haven’t been good. She counts the other women’s divorces as a pain but ignores that Tinsley is also divorced from a man she was with since she was a teenager and was with for over 20 years, she ignores her abusive relationship, the pain of her dad’s alcohol issues and death, etc. 

Edited May 15, 2020 by biakbiak

[sistermagpie]

11 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

The thing about Dorinda is she ignores all the things in Tinsley’s life that haven’t been good. She counts the other women’s divorces as a pain but ignores that Tinsley is also divorced from a man she was with since she was a teenager and was with for over 20 years, she ignores her abusive relationship, the pain of her dad’s alcohol issues and death, etc. 

Couldn't help but notice that when Dorinda was saying, "My gum lasted longer than your relationship." I immediately tried to remember how long Tinsley was married, since Dorinda seemed to be saying Tinsley had never had a relationship that lasted more than a minute.

[Hiyo]

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Not buying Lu's pearl clutching over a dick pic. I'm willing to bet she's been sent a few. 

I'm willing to bet she's requested a few as well.

[Hiyo]

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IAlso, shifting the conversation to Tinsley makes it seem like she somehow deserves the treatment she's getting from Dorinda. She doesn't.

She really doesn't.

[Cosmocrush]

18 hours ago, njbchlover said:

 

Dorinda has not yet accepted Richard's death - she has not gone through all the stages of grief.  She must have really, really loved him.  She is still angry at him for dying, and she hasn't moved to acceptance.  I wonder if that was because of the lifestyle she and Richard had - you know, "stiff upper lip and all that", or having friends convince her that getting back into the world will help her heal and move on, so she did that, and tamped down all her grief, putting on a brave face.  She is broken on the inside - she needs to fix herself, and alcohol isn't fixing anything.  

 

Or... she had a child to raise and John to distract her attention.  Now, her child is gone and John left/gone so she everything she pushed down for a decade she's vomiting up.  Just a theory but whatever is going on she really really needs to grief counseling - offscreen.  

[biakbiak]

14 minutes ago, Cosmocrush said:

Or... she had a child to raise and John to distract her attention.  Now, her child is gone and John left/gone so she everything she pushed down for a decade she's vomiting up.  Just a theory but whatever is going on she really really needs to grief counseling - offscreen.  

Didn’t Hannah drop out of college because of Richard’s death? She was living with her when Dorinda started the show but she wasn’t a young child when he died. 

Edited May 15, 2020 by biakbiak

[Hiyo]

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In what world would Dorinda get a worldly rich man to want to be with her?

The world of ours? Granted, it was 20 years ago, but still.

[Chit Chat]

6 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

My wonderful husband passed away two weeks ago after a 7 mos battle with cancer. He was only 68.   I want you all to know that reading your posts has kept me sane during the long dark nights.  I love you all. 

I'm so sorry, ButterQueen.  Hugs and I'm wishing for brighter days ahead for you.  

4 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

I hope the current virus doesn’t ruin all of our fun television shows.  It worries me.  I like Leah so far and haven’t missed Bethennny one bit.  I still miss Heather and Carole.

Even if the ladies can't film in the not so distant future, we can always snark endlessly about the episodes already aired!!  I'm keeping an open mind about Leah.  I like her too, but sometimes the newbies end up disappointing me.  I wished she had gone and comforted her friend Tinsley, but other than that she's cool with me.  I'm curious to see how her storyline plays out.  I'd really like to see her stand her ground with Dorinda.  Poor Tinsley.  She has got to grow a backbone!  I think the trainer said she was a doormat.  I was that way when I was young, and my Dad said those very words to me.  Take heed, Tinsley!  Your trainer knows what he's talking about.  Stand up for yourself!  You'll feel so much better. 

[RedDelicious]

43 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Didn’t Hannah drop out of college because of Richard’s death? She was living with her when Dorinda started the show but she wasn’t a young child when he died. 

It is somehow imprinted on my brain that Hannah was 14 or 16 when Richard died, but I don't know where I remember that from. I have seen photos of Hannah and Richard where she looks to be about 9 or 10 years old. She looks pretty small so I'm assuming they weren't married yet at that point.

[sasha206]

19 hours ago, Caseysgirl said:

Gee, Dorinda, so life didn’t work out like you planned. Welcome to the world. I’ve never gotten the “ charm” of Dorinda that so many others see. I think she’s an entitled, snobby and pretty mean, nasty person. I know she thinks it’s beneath her but she’s just as much of an alcoholic as Sonia, Luann and Leah but alcohol doesn’t make her silly & fun. It makes her a viper. And though I think Tinsley is kind of a crybaby, she’s really about the only person on this show that doesn’t attack others for no reason.  All of these Housewives shows seem so sad and superficial when we think about what’s going on in the real world.  I think their popularity is going to stop dropping - I have a hard time listening to rich drunk ladies  scream  At each other.

Agreed.  I haven't read through all the comments yet (bad me) but I gotta side-eye the crying jag.  I thought Tinsley overracted it.  The hands over here eyes seem to hide the lack of tears.

But Dorinda's a fucking asshole!

[The Ringo Kidd]

54 minutes ago, Hiyo said:

The world of ours? Granted, it was 20 years ago, but still.

Unless she has a time machine this extremely unpleasant alcoholic dirt bag is shit out of luck.

[sasha206]

19 hours ago, njbchlover said:

Dorinda has not yet accepted Richard's death - she has not gone through all the stages of grief.  She must have really, really loved him.  She is still angry at him for dying, and she hasn't moved to acceptance.  I wonder if that was because of the lifestyle she and Richard had - you know, "stiff upper lip and all that", or having friends convince her that getting back into the world will help her heal and move on, so she did that, and tamped down all her grief, putting on a brave face.  She is broken on the inside - she needs to fix herself, and alcohol isn't fixing anything.  

 

It's been 9 years since Richard passed.  Nine years.  My husband died 3 years ago from a 4 year battle with colon cancer at 52; I was married to him for far longer than Dorinda, having celebrated 21 years together.   Having gone through what she did, I really don't believe that she hasn't accepted his death yet.  Yes, there are waves of grief.  But it's been 9 years.  His memory shouldn't be this fresh.  The pain gets a lot softer.  

In my view, this has more to do with mourning her lifestyle than missing a man who was married to for 6 years and 11 years ago.  That big ass Blue Stone Manor costs a lot of money in upkeep and now she's gotta spend a lot to repair it.  If Richard were alive, he'd be taking care of it for her.   

I believe the money is running out and she knows she is going to have to sell it. 

She's using his death to justify her drinking, emotional outbursts, anger, bullying.  This season, she's saying it's b/c Hannah moved out, the BSM is falling apart and it's all on her, and now the decision to end the relationship with John.  The last several seasons she's had drunken outbursts and guess what, we've heard all about her mourning Richard.  It's a never ending excuse for her to drink and be sloppy drunk and to explain away her behavior.

I'm not saying it isn't sad to lose the love of your life and that you can't mourn years later.  But what I'm saying is if 9 years after his death, your happiness is wrapped into a memory and your reactions are excused b/c of grief, you need a lot of professional help b/c there's more under the surface.

 

Edited May 15, 2020 by sasha206

[Mar]

From the realitytea.com recap:

Dorinda has been with John for 7 years, yet she still talks about Richard like it was yesterday. Dorinda’s mind is like a Tupperware – the past stays fresh forever.
 

😂😂

[goofygirl]

I think Tinsley sometimes thinks these women are more like her Mother and she sort of treats them like she treats Dale.  There's NO excuse for Dorito to pick on her but I also think Dorito needs some serious therapy.  I just wish they could just have had a FUN beautiful day at the Orchard instead of the yelling, pissing in corn maze, crying, and general bullshit that went on.

I was sooo embarassed for that owner guy when Sonja went on about him and his "47 acres". I bet he was getting some nice fee for hosting that bunch of dingbats!

[Mar]

Dorinda’s Twitter response to someone last night:

[Emmeline]

7 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I think there is only so much hate you can take and remain quiet ... you become the doormat .... No one has the right to just unload on you anytime they feel like it and not have some kinda repercussion and that is what Dorinda has been getting away with .. Dorinda uses the fact that Tinsly doesn't really fight back in her favor .....That's what bullys do ... Some one ANYONE needs to step up and stop it

To me, that is what made the whole lunch confrontation worse for Tinsley.  Except for Ramona, the other ladies only rolled their eyes.  Frigging Sonja even chimed in with a negative remark.  Are they all afraid to tell Dorinda to lay off?

If Dorinda had taken a moment to listen to what Tinsley was saying at the lunch after the fashion show, she would know it wasn’t about the hair!  It was about Dale telling her grown daughter how to wear her hair.  Instead of listening Dorinda was sticking a knife into her brain.  At that moment I could only think of Dorinda stabbing herself in Mexico.

 

[sadie]

I’ve said it before on this forum, so I don’t want to be a “Dorinda” BUT my husband died at 40, it was 4 years ago. Was this the life I expected, NO, do I use it as an excuse to be awful to other people NO. I think in some ways Dorindas money has made her worse. I didn’t have time to lay in bed for years drinking myself into a stupor. I had to plan my husbands funeral, handle his grieving parents and two weeks later I had to go back to work so I could eat and keep a roof over my head. I do judge Dorinda because she doesn’t even realize how fortunate she was to be left well off, she has no excuse for not getting therapy, not finding something to fill her life with. I have not dated, I have no plans to do it, my heart isn’t in it. But I have a career, a dog, some nice friends and a nice little house. She is a mean angry drunk and I do not believe it’s due to grief. I think it’s who she is and when people call her on it, she uses Richards death as a get out of jail fee card. I HAVE experienced the loss she has and I call bullshit on her behavior. 

[Chicklet]

I think Dorito is a mean nasty woman but I think part of her is parlaying this behavior into "traffic". Her Instagram site is very busy as is this site. Everyone is talking about her so I think she thinks she's secure in keeping her apple. Part of this is intentional which is even worse. And yes part of this is because she's a tragic hosebeast with the emotional maturity of a 10 year old.

ETA- not to denigrate 10 year olds at all, a lot of them are better people than Dorito will ever be.

Edited May 15, 2020 by Chicklet

[Sweet-tea]

21 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

Truer words were never said.

Agree. And this goes for Leah too. Loved how the editors showed scenes or her losing it while she was commiserating with Lu about being in control of her drinking. Sure Leah. 

[goofygirl]

Big hugs to you, ButterQueen.

And to you too Sadie.

SO... my husband died 12 years ago and I went to counseling for 2.5 years EVERY FREAKING WEEK!  I'm still only about 90-95%.  But... I worked, paid off MY house, haven't had the slightest urge to date, and have generally done all right with not much in the $$$ department. I had to get back into it pretty soon after his death because otherwise, I'd have been living in a VAN down by the RIVER!

Faith, family, friends. In that order for me.  Oh, and because I just said this earlier,  LAUGHTER.

Edited May 15, 2020 by goofygirl

[Sweet-tea]

20 hours ago, njbchlover said:

While I think that Dorinda has an anger problem when she drinks, I actually think that Sonja is the biggest alcoholic in this group.  

I don’t think it matters. They both have a problem. It’s not fun to watch either of them, but Dorinda’s rage seems to be getting worse.

That guy was clearly disgusted with sloppy drunk Sonja and I don’t blame him. 

 

[sasha206]

8 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

I’m seriously behind, but did Dorinda get a boob job?  
 

My wonderful husband passed away two weeks ago after a 7 mos battle with cancer. He was only 68.   I want you all to know that reading your posts has kept me sane during the long dark nights.  I love you all. 
 

 

 

I'm so, so sorry.  Big hugs to you.  ❤️

[The Ringo Kidd]

Normally VJ Day is August 14th but this year it was May 14th.

The day that John was liberated from the quagmire that is Dorinda!

Congratulations my friend.

You have left that sweaty fetid morass behind.

[sasha206]

19 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

We should be able to see their homes, and they should have great real estate in New York City, even if it’s not at a Bethenny level.  It’s expensive, but that’s one of the reasons New York is considered the best.  

I'm guessing there aren't a lot of NYCers that want to be a part of this shit show!

[The Ringo Kidd]

1 minute ago, sasha206 said:

I'm guessing there aren't a lot of NYCers that want to be a part of this shit show!

Actually it is more of a pee show.

[sasha206]

Just now, The Ringo Kidd said:

Actually it is more of a pee show.

This type of comment is exactly why I love this board so much!  Well done!

[sasha206]

19 hours ago, njbchlover said:

I loved Ramona's old apartment - to me, that was one of the things I loved about this show when it started.  Her large, probably "classic six" on the Upper East Side was everything I dreamed about when I was a teenager who wanted to live in the city.  I even liked it when everyone else said that the aparment was dated.  Her renovations were well done, although I thought the apartment lost some of it's character and became another white on white on white box, like so many other apartments and homes right now.  

Her new apartment, while nice, just seems a little cold to me - it's like Ramona decorated it from a ZGallerie catalog - just more white on white on beige - no personality.  She decorated it like a model home - ready for re-sale.

The only lacking in both of Ramona's apartments (old and new) is any kind of outdoor space or terrace.  

Until Bethenny started making Skinnygirl money and buying/renovating/selling apartments as a hobby, Ramona's apartment and Sonja's townhouse still stand out as the best NYC real estate.  Kelly had a nice apartment, too, iirc.  Jill's apartment was tiny, Luann's townhouse was also small (and a rental, if I recall correctly), Alex's Brooklyn townhouse was always under construction, Bethenny lived in teeny, tiny apartments.  Carole's apartment was also okay, but again, I think it was only three rooms with a scary staircase.  Dorinda's apartments were both small.  I can't remember Aviva's, Kristen's or Heather's places.  I remember Jules' was also very small.  

I loved Ramona's old apartment too! I honestly think she did a better job decorating a place with a homey, sunny vibe versus the more modern look take.

Remember Jill's apartment renovation that was so tacky?  Bethenny's reaction to it was so funny!

 

[bichonblitz]

2 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

Couldn't help but notice that when Dorinda was saying, "My gum lasted longer than your relationship." I immediately tried to remember how long Tinsley was married, since Dorinda seemed to be saying Tinsley had never had a relationship that lasted more than a minute.

Poor Tinsley doesn't have the mean gene. There are so many snappy comments she could zing right back to Dorinda (and Sonja) when they make these senseless drunken jabs at her but she can't think on her feet fast enough. Tinsley may have made some serious mistakes in her life,  be a bit immature, a cry baby, and have overpowering mother issues but she is a decent person who Dale raised to have class and manners. She doesn't have a vicious bone in her body and for that I say I really do hope we see her leave the show for good. 

[Emmeline]

Sorry, I don’t know why the link is upside down but it seems to work correctly.

Edited May 16, 2020 by Emmeline

[dosodog]

Y'all are confusing me every time you call Dorinda, Dorito.

Am I in the Real Housewives New York thread or Beverly Hills?

Are we talking about the mean drunk or the puppy dumper?

Is one Cool Ranch and the other Nacho Cheese?

[Mar]

And now her response to an Instagram comment. She seems to feel she is in the right... how is that possible???

[biakbiak]

Just now, Mar said:

And now her response to an Instagram comment. She seems to feel she is in the right... how is that possible???

Because she is a mean delusional bully? The person also didn’t say she could be her daughter. I hate her so much!! 

[Chicklet]

I hope the boxer keeps up the recaps. 

[wheresmypizza]

She was probably wasted.

[Hangin Out]

I was watching something on t.v. tonight which rang true.  He said something like “Don’t keep thinking of what you lost .. think about what you have.”  This certainly applies to Dorinda, or anyone I assume.  I think someone Billy Bush was interviewing tonight said it.