Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[Cheyanne11]

2 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Nina got in some good licks today.  If only she had screamed, "TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE!" when Carly called her a conniving B.  In any case, Watros was doing some good work.

She really should've laughed in Carly's face when she called her a conniving bitch and added "child, please."  Carly is such a bully and Nina is right that if she wasn't worried she wouldn't keep confronting Nina and unironically screaming at her to stay away from her.

[statsgirl]

I can see Esme going after Drew if Spencer dumps her, all that lovely Quartermaine money. I would say that I can't see him falling for it but then he was all up Carly propping .

3 hours ago, Blackie said:

so do you think they were some kind of fertility drug? Maybe that is why the nurse said she should be talking to a Dr, but why she doesn't go to a pharmacy is another question

That would be en pointe for her, to trap Spencer or at least the Cassadine money, but it doesn't explain why she's so obsessed with this weekend getaway.

Why is Laura pushing Sonny to punish Nina? This show makes the Montagues and Capulets look like amateurs.

5 hours ago, Daisy said:

Curtis and Portia are making out in the elevator and the door opens and Portia is looking at them. LOL Curtis is like this is awkward. Trina goes "Mom you dn't have to apologize." Portia: "Oh honey I wasn't going to apologize." hahahahahahahahaa. 

Portia says she's happy for Trina. Trina info dumps Portia about what happened. Trina wasn't really happy  how Ava handled it. She infodumps about Morgan (but you know leaves out the part that Morgan was killed in a carbomb, so Ava messing up his drugs is kinda moot).

Trina also didn't mention why Ava messed with Morgan's meds, to get Kiki away from Sonny and Carly who expected her to be Morgan's caretaker because heaven forfend they be blamed for anything.

Portia needs to apologize for making out in the elevator like she's 15 and at the mercy of her hormones.

[Artsda]

So Carly and Sonny need to be told in person by Laura? Carly should have been told by Olivia so she could go to her mother. Then instead of talking about Luke they spend entire time going over Nixon Falls.

Of course Carly is raging and slapping in Nina's place of business. Good for Nina for not backing down. She should call the cops since they're all about the "law" now. 

So Esme is gonna drug Trina I guess on this vacation she so desperately wants. Maybe Cameron too put them in bed together? Heavy handing pointing out how they have years of friendship.

Maybe Liz's ring and the fact Peter only wants a lawyer to defend him for Franco's death are tied together. Franco out there somewhere?

Carly is full of herself with her "Sonny would never look at you if he remembered her." Sonny would not give Carly time of day if Brenda was in Port Charles. 

How is Esme a member of the family? Victor was doing well until he gave into her fake cough. But I did like his looking at her when he said "women will come and go."

Sonny's dreams are an episode I guess. He's not taking his meds. Yet he's still calmer than his wife. 

 

 

[Ambrosefolly]

50 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Trina also didn't mention why Ava messed with Morgan's meds, to get Kiki away from Sonny and Carly who expected her to be Morgan's caretaker because heaven forfend they be blamed for anything.

Because stupid Kiki couldn't just but her foot down and tell Sonny and Carly to pay for a life coach. I never understood why (except for plot point purposes) they wanted Kiki and Morgan together. Could maybe Kristina or Molly point out how Kiki dumped Morgan for Michael, so he should work on himself and then find someone new. Besides, a Morgan that was mentally healthy is a lot easier to leave than one that is in constant need of support, so Ava plan was fucking stupid, aside from being incredibly cruel. I honestly there was an ounce of jealousy as Morgan had returned to Kiki after Ava and Morgan's 2nd go around. I know that Carly gets a lot of hate and Ava gets a lot of support, but unless Carly attempts to murder Ava, Carly has more reason to hate Ava than the other way around. 

[nilyank]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Trina also didn't mention why Ava messed with Morgan's meds, to get Kiki away from Sonny and Carly who expected her to be Morgan's caretaker because heaven forfend they be blamed for anything.

 

While a big chunk was that Ava didn't want Kiki to throw her life away taking care of Morgan, Ava's focus was on Morgan and how he was going to take over Kiki's life taking care of him, not Sonny and Carly. And a small chunk was that Ava was jealous that Morgan fell for her daughter again.

 

 

5 hours ago, Sheggy50G said:

I find it ironic that Carly is upset that Nina kept the identify of Carly's family member from her, when Carly (with the help of Jax) did the exact same thing to Nina. 

It was originally Jax's idea to keep quiet that Nelle fell over the cliff and then later it was his idea to keep quiet that Nelle had a necklace like Nina. (No dna test, retcon can still be in play to change who Nina's daughter is).

Esme is either getting sleeping pills or her personal dosage of medication for whatever mental disorder that she is suffereing for.

I did like the idea that someone suggested it was fertility pills and she is going to double up to double her chances of getting pregnant.

 

[ciarra]

10 minutes ago, Artsda said:

Maybe Liz's ring and the fact Peter only wants a lawyer to defend him for Franco's death are tied together. Franco out there somewhere?

Noooooooo!

But probably.  After Liz falls in love with Finn.  I also think that they will eventually get back to Kim Nero and FrankenDrew's kid.

[tessaray]

Is it weird that my first thought about Liz and the ring was that she did it herself unknowingly? Have we had a female character have a nervous breakdown lately? 

[Steph J]

All that time spent watching Nina mope around town, letting everyone take a kick at her was worth it just to hear her call Carly an idiot today. I want to take that sound clip and inject it into my veins.

[Corvino]

While I was listening to Portia and Trina, it occurred to me, as it never has before in a lifetime of hearing the term, that...

the fifth wheel is the STEERING wheel.

That wasn't true before cars, when the phrase arose, but now? Does this new insight carry over into metaphoric applications to real life? Will Trina illustrate that interpretation on the getaway?

Surely it's obvious that Esme getting those drugs is because she has some horrible plan to use them to stir up trouble on the trip! Date rape? Putting the wrong people together? Making them hallucinate that they're post-apocalyptic aliens? Most likely the plot is against Trina. But all this presumes that the writers know what they're doing, of course, and we can't count on that. 

[mostlylurking]

On 1/7/2022 at 10:50 PM, Daisy said:

Louise isn't a stupid name - i mean goodness forbid anyone here is named Louise or have significant others named that. It's old fashioned and how Maxie picked Lou(ise) to name her after Lulu is strange since there are other Lou-ish sounding names. but the name Louise isn't stupid.  It's not like Maxie named her daughter, Apple. 

I actually like the name Louise better than Bailey. Bailey reminds me of a name for a pet, not a human (apologies if anyone here is named Bailey, just my unsolicited opinion). 

[NotMySekrit2Tell]

The writing of that Nina/Carly scene was just flashing in huge letters that Carly is in for a rude awakening, or another one. I can't remember exact wording, but she said a couple things soap characters in a love triangle are never supposed to say, and only say when the rug is going to get pulled out from under them.  

I am still liking Sonny more post-NF than I have in a while. The more natural look helps. And a Sonny who frustrates Carly and Michael is...well, better than the alternative.  

He said something yesterday about his brother dying, and I thought for a minute I had missed news about Ric. Ha!

[perkie1968]

Most annoying line I've heard in a long time (and it didn't come from Carly though the episode isn't over yet)......

Marshall:  Curtis, I'm getting real tired of you coming at me with this attitude

I'm sorry, WHAT?  Curtis should have said 'eff you and the horse you rode in on, keep your secrets and stay away from me you douchebag"   Marshall is reaching Peter/Franco levels of hatred for me.  

 

 

[dubbel zout]

21 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Marshall:  Curtis, I'm getting real tired of you coming at me with this attitude

Who does this guy think he is, Sonny?

[lala2]

Carly is ri-freakin-diculous!!! I cannot believe she is holding Sonny's amnesia against him. She's angry that he fell in love while he had amnesia?!?!?!?! But I guess her feelings for Jason are A-OK and should be tolerated and understood?!?! 

Carly claims Nina victimized Sonny but she sure doesn't treat him like a victim. She treats him like an enemy. He clearly fell in love w/Nina, but he also, IMO at least, clearly wants to be with Carly. She should be working w/him and trusting what he says. If he wanted Nina, he'd be over there. She seems to hate Nina more than she loves Sonny. 

I know some may disagree w/me, but Sonny has tried enough, IMO. He has made it perfectly clear he wants to be w/Carly and work things out w/her. He has feelings for Nina, but he is choosing to not act on them as people do all the freakin' time, and she's still not satisfied. Sonny should just let her go and be done w/it.  She doesn't want her marriage AFAIC. 

I liked the Britt/Austin scenes. Austin should transfer his feelings from Maxie to Britt! Haha! I like their friendship for now, and if it blossomed into love, I'd be okay w/that too. 

Willow had a lot of nerve coming to Nina's office asking that she give up her "legal claim" to Wiley. Nina has never sought anything legally w/r/t Wiley, and I am so sick of Millow acting like Wiley is soooo precious and that certain people can't even be in his precious presence!! Ugh! I'm happy Nina told Willow she wasn't relinquishing any rights she has to see Wiley.

And Willow has more problems if she can't be honest w/Michael and tell him how she feels. What kind of crap relationship does she have?!? LOL! I wouldn't walk on eggshells in my relationship. She better wake up and see she will be tossed aside if she doesn't tow the line. 

[Daisy]

Today's Notes

Hatman and Curtis... skip (I think he mentions why he left but i was playing my video game at this point because i was bored). Basically we end up back where are. He faked his death coz he saw something. Curtis says I can save you. Hatman is like. meh you can't. Curtis goes then nothing changes between us. Hatman goes nope. I said what i said and i won't say anymore. (THEN WHY. ARE. YOU. HERE?!)

Sonny made something....that's looking yummy. and he's humming. So happy. Carly comes in. She looks pissed. lol Sony goes "are you hungry?" hahaha. Sonny tries to be all seducey with food, but Carly isn't playing and Sonny stops and goes can we talk, or are we too far gone? They are eating. We find out that Carly STILL hasn't called Bobbie. Sonny tells her about Luke. Carly goes oh i should call mom. (YAH YOU THINK?) Sonny says he called Lucas (who?) and Bobbie went to bed early. Carly says she can't do this, Sonny goes whu? and Carly goes that our lives aren't falling apart. Carly infodumps about the fact she knows what Sonny didn't tell her about Nina about NYE and stuff. Sonny goes it doesn't matter what Nina says, He's choosing Carly. Carly goes. you almost slept together in NF, and you didn't have me in the back of your mind, calling out to you. NINA stopped you. (this is why we don't TELL Carly things). Sonny is like. blehg blehgh. Carly goes why can't you say this won't happen again. Sonny is quiet. Carly goes. I put the fear of God in Nina (lmao. WHAT?! no you didn't). so if you are concerned you should go to her. Honestly...why are you fighting to be with Carly, Sonny? (omg in this situation I'm on team Sonny? are pigs flying?). Carly says she needs space and time. so Carly needs sonny to leave. (why don't YOU leave). Carly then goes if you stay here, don't bother leaving, I'll go. (good) Sonny goes "but where are you going to go?"!

Nina is icing her cheek. She flashes back from the slap. Willow is at the door. Nina goes if Wiley is good, Willow goes yes. Nina goes what do you want? You hve 5 minutes, Six if you don't mention Carly. Willow apologizes (she doesn't really seem sincere). but Nina takes it. (I'm curious where this apology came from. but i'm glad she did it). Nina apologizes back. Willow goes I should be well stocked in apologies if Michael finds out i'm here. (LEAVE. MICHAEL). Willow says the tension between Michael and Nina isn't good for wiley so they need to work on this. Nina goes what's your plan. WILLOW GOES, "I'll work on Michael if you give up your legal claim on wiley." WHAT?! Girl is cracked. Nina gives her a child, please look

Nina goes. there it is. you are doing Michael's dirty work. Willow goes no one knows i'm her, I'm doing what's best for wiley. Nina goes, so losing my grandson is good for him? He loves me, and god knows i love him. Willow goes I know. Nina is super sarcastic and goes. I heard you say I give up my rights. Willow goes if you do this, Michael will seee this as a nature of good will, but you won't lose your connection. Nina snaps how? Willow snaps back through me! (ahuh). 

Nina is like wait your idea is severe my legal link, and hope that Michael whose greatest wish is that I drop dead in the ugliest way possible will eventually dane to let me be near Wiley out of the goodness of his heart... what fantasty world are you living in? hahahhhaha. Willow goes it won't happened over night but Michael can be generous. Nina is like whatever I want this notarized. Willow goes as long as you show you aren't a threat to the family he'll see reason. Nina goes if you can prove from a shadow of a doubt Michael won't use this as a weapon against me, maybe i'll consider it (NO Nina. NO. SUE FOR CUSTODY). 

Willow goes she can't guarantee Michael will do this, but Willow will try REALLY hard until Michael grants you access. Nina is likeyah not good enough. Willow throws in losing Sonny in Nina's face. Nina goes yes i screwed up but i am not going to lose my grandson over this. Willow goes it's not permanent, and Nina snaps back at least SONNY knows i'm not evil incarnate (but she says it weird) and I'll be damned if I let you people convince Wiley that I am (because clearly she's seen the tapes on how they brainwashed Michael on Q's and AJ).

Austin and Britt are at the Savoy. We get the meaning of drinks from Britt. Britt asks how did you meet women, Austin goes square dancing. LOL. they banter, drink and whatever. Austin admits he liked Maxie. Britt squeals and is so happy. It's cute.

Felicia and Maxie are at Charlies. theya re drinking for Luke. Felicia goes we lost so many people, Holly, Sean, Luke. they lament. Maxie says this sucks. Lulu will wake up, and what are we going to tell  her?  I kinda blanked out with some of the stuff. but Felicia thinks Maxie isn't well, because she's not breaking down about Louise and stuff. Maxie goes. i got support (and flashes back to Austin) and goes "and other people." Felicia picks up on it and wants the dirt. Felicia has a phonetree with maxie because they are #teammaxie LOL. Felicia wants to add Maxie's new person. Maxie goes it's Austin. Felicia has wtf face. 

Laura is like WTF are you doing here? Mr Sheffield is like Spencer invited me in. so sorry I surprised you. Laura's like cut the crap. you planned this. they verbal spar. Laura loses patience and goes what do you want? Mr Sheffield goes meh, it doesn't matter i'm not going anywhere. They have infodumping about the past. Mr Sheffield says he regrets the stuff the family did to Port Charles. and he hopes he can atone . Verbal spar, verbal spar, Spencer brings tea. Esme sucks up, verbal spar,verbal spar, Spencer whines about Baby Jail, mr Sheffield goes "suck it up. it won't be for long" verbal spar, and Laura goes. stay. Spencer made tea and cookies. and Mr Sheffield goes :( i don't think this is good you had a taxing day what with the loss to your family.  They are verbal sparing about Luke and Esme and Spencer are literally bouncing back and forth looking at them. and they have the best OMG! CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS?! faces. it's awesome. Mr Sheffield leaves and goes can we find common ground with Spencer? Laura goes, i doubt that we want different things for Spencer. Mr Sheffield throws Luke in her face and Laura goes you're lying and slams the door in his face. 

[dubbel zout]

Shocker, Hat Man got involved with the wrong people and had to leave his family to protect them. He couldn't give this vague explanation weeks ago?

What legal claim does Nina have on Wiley? She never went to court to get grandparents' rights, and she's never made any noises about doing that (at least not lately). Way to solve a problem that doesn't exist, Willow. And maybe you should be working to lower the tension with Michael because it's good for Wiley regardless of his access to Nina. You know, because it's better for the fragile snowflake Wiley. His life can't have any hiccups.

[seasons]

That view from Laura's apartment looks like a slum.

[Katy M]

7 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

What legal claim does Nina have on Wiley? She never went to court to get grandparents' rights, and she's never made any noises about doing that

I would think it would be very unlikely for a grandmother who did not even know that she was the mother's mother until after the mother died and therefore had no relationship with said grandchild before the death of the mother would get court-ordered visitation.  However, this is the same town where Jason got visitation that allowed him to come visit at any hour with no prior notice.  They way that visitation was worded, Carly and AJ wouldn't have even been able to take Michael to the park lest Jason happens to show up to visit while they're out.

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 minute ago, Katy M said:

I would think it would be very unlikely for a grandmother who did not even know that she was the mother's mother until after the mother died and therefore had no relationship with said grandchild before the death of the mother would get court-ordered visitation.

Hell. Law & Order had an episode where the parents of the rapist filed for custody of the granddaughter they never knew about--the baby was a result of their son raping a comatose woman. Sure, the woman's own mother paid him, and she, very rightly, was thrown in the slammer., along with his ass ("Grief" was the episode in case anyone was interested).

But point, regarding what this FAKAKTA show is. I mean, we just went through the most lamest, stoopidest plot of Nina being charged with fraud for not telling Mooby's family he was alive for like, six months. Oh, wait, I mean NINE MONTHS!

[YaddaYadda]

1 hour ago, perkie1968 said:

Most annoying line I've heard in a long time (and it didn't come from Carly though the episode isn't over yet)......

Marshall:  Curtis, I'm getting real tired of you coming at me with this attitude

I'm sorry, WHAT?  Curtis should have said 'eff you and the horse you rode in on, keep your secrets and stay away from me you douchebag"   Marshall is reaching Peter/Franco levels of hatred for me.  

Right? Like he doesn't deserve Curtis's attitude in the first place. Curtis should just leave and never looked back. He spent more than 30 years without this man in his life. And he can give you all the attitude that he wants, Douchehat!

Willow had become a nasty piece of work and I'm not even sure that she'd telling the truth about Michael not knowing that she is with Nina. Her thing felt more like a set up than a compromise to me. I can't believe what they've done to the character. She has become unbearable. 

Please, men at the Savoy! You are not worthy. Who are these idiots? Yeah, right none of them would be interested in her. But I guess only Jason was able to really see Britt. Oh, that Jason!

Sonny making Carly taste his sauce than putting the spoon right back in the sauce is one of my biggest pet peeves. Also the scenes were zzzzzzzz but Carly will never give up Sonny because she'd be too worried that Nina would win.

Lucas is still in town, then. 

The Laura/Victor tennis match was a lot of fun to watch.

Edited January 11, 2022 by YaddaYadda

[dubbel zout]

Esmé and Spencer watching Laura and Victor spar was hilarious. 

I really want Sonny to throw Carly's feelings for Jason in her face every single time she mentions his feelings for Nina. At least Sonny says he won't act on his feelings; you know if (*cough*when*cough*) Jason returned, Carly would go right back to putting him first. You know she needs only the tiniest of encouragement with Jason to act.

[mostlylurking]

1 hour ago, perkie1968 said:

Marshall:  Curtis, I'm getting real tired of you coming at me with this attitude

I know!  How fucking dare he!!!  Look I am willing to give Hat the benefit of the doubt that there may have been a legitimate reason for him ghosting his entire family but DO NOT make Curtis the bad guy here.  Out with it or hit the road Hat!

 

Edited January 11, 2022 by mostlylurking

[mostlylurking]

1 hour ago, lala2 said:

I know some may disagree w/me, but Sonny has tried enough, IMO. He has made it perfectly clear he wants to be w/Carly and work things out w/her. He has feelings for Nina, but he is choosing to not act on them as people do all the freakin' time, and she's still not satisfied. Sonny should just let her go and be done w/it.  She doesn't want her marriage AFAIC. 

I’ll say this….him saying he would melt some mozzarella cheese on bread and pour some wine….I’d be ok with that.  No matter how mad I was, a girls gotta eat after all.  Sonny will always be Sonny but I am liking this post-Nixon Falls version a lot better so far.

 

[mostlylurking]

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

Esme and Spencer are literally bouncing back and forth looking at them. and they have the best OMG! CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS?! faces. it's awesome.

I forgot to comment about this!  And they were all literally drinking tea.  Ha!  I laughed so hard!

[dubbel zout]

46 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

2 hours ago, Daisy said:

Esme and Spencer are literally bouncing back and forth looking at them. and they have the best OMG! CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS?! faces. it's awesome.

I forgot to comment about this!  And they were all literally drinking tea.  Ha!  I laughed so hard!

Awesome Writer must have snuck in this scene. It's one of the best things we've seen in a while.

[sas616]

8 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Esmé and Spencer watching Laura and Victor spar was hilarious. 

 

I was chuckling through the entire scene while their eyes were going back and forth between Victor and Laura.   When they turned to look at each other was the first time I actually saw a legit connection between Esme and Spencer.

[Daisy]

1 hour ago, mostlylurking said:

I’ll say this….him saying he would melt some mozzarella cheese on bread and pour some wine….I’d be ok with that.  No matter how mad I was, a girls gotta eat after all.  Sonny will always be Sonny but I am liking this post-Nixon Falls version a lot better so far.

Honestly.  it's like i said. They legit made me team sonny here and that's just bonkers. Does Carly have the right to be mad? Yes. Was Sonny gaslighting her for a while? yes. Did the truth literally had to be dragged out of him. yes. however. at the same time - did the truth need to come out? I really don't know. Nina is (was) on a "I'll respect your space, i don't want to hurt your marriage, I'm not gonna act on it unless you want to." kick. Sonny chose Carly. He was working through his feelings (silently since no one knew but Nina). but he actively chose his wife. Carly keeps going do you have feelings and it's like yeah - but CLEARLY i am here choosing you and Carly can't wrap her head around the fact that she's not the centre of his life and that's what I feel her issue is. and Olivia called her out on it the other day. She has yet to tell Sonny that she loves Jason. not best friend love. But She wants him to rock her world love all night long love. (and we ALL know if Jason fought for her, Carly would have been gone). 

And I think this also boils down to a bigger problem. Carly is turned on by powergrubbing, gangster, burn it all down Sonny. i feel the show (even with him ordering the hit on Peter (which failed,whatever), and trying to murder Nikolas because he is stupid) is doing a really good of showing is that he's not just Sonny anymore. He's more peaceful.  He's more homebodyish. even in their fights. Carly is going at him and I actually honestly think Carly wants him to be his old screamy violent self. But he's very quiet, "what do you want from me?" "what do you want me to say?" "let's just have cheesy bread and wine and talk." and Carly is getting frustrated because that's not how they fight. She brings up Nina as a weapon, and Sonny isn't using it back. and Carly can't adjust.(and it is also showing the issue of Nina's wuv for Sonny - she has NO idea about the mobster side of his life, so no. you don't love him you love a side of him) So  I think part of Carly's frustration is - even if she forgives him, he's Not the sonny she knows and gets all swoomy over. I feel if Sonny in this conversation basically said "I wanna burn Nina to the ground, let's go." Carly'd be good to go. 

[sacrebleu]

I really wish Nina had said to Willow that her 'gesture of good will' was NOT pushing for assault charges against Carly for that slap. 

Between that and Michael's assault of Scott, I'm beginning to suspect these Corinthi aren't as committed to upholding the law as they claim! 

[Pingaponga]

Hmm, whichever of Sonny or Carly moves out, Avery is going to have be wherever Sonny is - as Sonny is her bio father and the one with custody. If Avery sticks with Carly, Ava will be taking her back pretty damn fast.

[YaddaYadda]

So these mobsters/bad guys Douchehat refused to name, are they the people moving in on PC that Cyrus mentioned to Laura and that she mentioned to Sonny yesterday's episode?

[GHScorpiosRule]

If the writers don’t retcon it, SHEBEAST’s days are numbered if she and Mooby divorce. She’s only alive because she was gonna marry Jaysus, but Mooby returned from the dead. She be a liability.

Then again, they’ll probably forget they wrote that if these two get divorced for the gazillionth time.

[TeeVee329]

Props to Britt, putting yourself out there and meeting people is hard!  The scenes of her in the club bouncing around chatting with different people were cute, plus she's not moping about Jason, yay!  I dunno about this new friendship with Austin, though (why isn't she getting drinks with Brad?).  I'm just tired of Roger Howarth's thing, I guess.  And his hair is terrible.

It's weird that Luke's death is, like, this C- running thread.  Like with Felicia and Maxie, that they were getting drinks to toast him, but it was really about maybe pairing Maxie and Austin.

Laura and Mr. Sheffield sniping at each other was quite enjoyable, two old pros at the soap game doing their thing.  Given she was mentioned, I hope Mr. Sheffield bumps into Tracy before she leaves.

Edited January 12, 2022 by TeeVee329

[Cheyanne11]

5 hours ago, Daisy said:

Willow goes if you do this, Michael will seee this as a nature of good will, but you won't lose your connection. Nina snaps how? Willow snaps back through me! (ahuh). 

Right.  Michael is all about "good will."  If Willow went back and said Nina had given up her rights, he'd spike a damned football and declare himself king of the world.  If Willow tried to ~reason with him he'd sit her down, grimace, and explain that she has to see that "this is what's best for Wiley."  Willow would look off in the middle distance, sigh, and say "I guess you're right" while her spine pounded on the closet door to be let out.

 

5 hours ago, Daisy said:

They are verbal sparing about Luke and Esme and Spencer are literally bouncing back and forth looking at them. and they have the best OMG! CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS?! faces. it's awesome.

So enjoyable!  And again let me say GH struck gold with Nicholas Chavez.  I also think Genie and Charles were enjoying themselves.  Really great scenes.

Carly and Sonny are just ridiculous at this point.  What exactly does Carly want Sonny to do?  If he says he wants her, she doesn't believe it.  And her moral high ground is laughable considered she was one "Sonny sits in front of the fire and reflects on being back in his living room" minute away from being naked with Jason.

Shut up, Hatman.  You don't get to complain about Curtis giving you attitude when all you give him is vague comments about how you left to protect him.  Go back to wherever you came from.

Britt and Austin were enjoyable.  I like male/female platonic friendships and this show doesn't have enough of them.

Preview: Sam wanting to "get things straight" with Harmony.  Girl, please.

[dubbel zout]

23 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Preview: Sam wanting to "get things straight" with Harmony.  Girl, please.

Ugh, I know. Shut up, Sam. Harmony is doing more to make amends than you deserve.

[TVbitch]

Oh puhhlease. Those guys would have been all over Britt in the club! I love that she's a dork, though. 

[Artsda]

Willow even know Michael? Nina don't give in. 

Carly is kicking Sonny out of his house? She moved in there. Avery needs to go home to her mother if Sonny moves out leaving her with Carly.

Glad Bobbie has a kid who cares to be there for her and answered her call. Carly only cared about herself all day then gets told Luke died and in 2 seconds goes back to all about her.

Good for Britt for trying dating scene. Liked her and Austin as buddies. 

 

Edited January 12, 2022 by Artsda

[TeeVee329]

13 minutes ago, Artsda said:

Glad Bobbie has a kid who cares to be there for her and answered her call. Carly only cared about herself all day then gets told Luke died and in 2 seconds goes back to all about her.

I totally missed that on first viewing, so Lucas is still in town, just completely off-screen having no personal reaction to Brad's return or Luke's death.  Cool.  Cool cool cool.

Edited January 12, 2022 by TeeVee329

[ciarra]

Please, show, never bring up Fluke again.  Or Luke's relationship with Slim.  Is there a head injury in Anna's past that can possibly explain this?

Esme needs to ease up on the raccoon eye makeup.

Willow.  Maybe a bare midriff in upstate New York in January is affecting her brain.  Does she honestly think that Michael does anything in good faith?  I wouldn't trust her to hold my place in line.

[seasons]

Slim?

[DanaMB]

2 hours ago, seasons said:

Slim?

Pretty sure Slim is Anna. 

[NotMySekrit2Tell]

10 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

And again let me say GH struck gold with Nicholas Chavez. 

Love NAC. I don't think he's long for daytime. He's too good, and good-looking too, and in that age group? Somebody's gonna notice him or tell somebody about him, and then he'll be getting offers from ABC primetime or something on a streaming service, or even a supporting role in a big movie. And I doubt he'll be a Steve or an Ingo, crawling back if the first thing doesn't work out.

So I'm enjoying it while it lasts.

[KimChi Rogue]

I know the general consensus of Willow is that she's Michael's parrot and Stepford wife, but I see Willow as finally starting to toughen and step up as Wiley's mom. Everything in Michael and Willow's relationship revolves around Wiley and I guess the way the show is trying to make it more bearable, is to now show their difference in parenting styles. Which is what I think this proposal shows regarding how Willow wants to raise her son. She sees where all this tension between the family is headed and she doesn't want Wiley caught in the middle. So she came up with a solution that is difficult for both side but will be beneficial in the long run if everyone makes the effort.

Michael would get that tangible justice for what Nina did to his family that he needs and Nina wouldn't be met with rejection and apprehension every time she attempts to visit Wiley.  Now to be honest, I think both sides definitely have valid arguments on reasons to reject the idea, as Nina pointed out some of hers during her conversation with Willow in the office. It's not a bad idea but do you think the challenges and animosities are too big for this idea to actually work? And I mean, Willow didn't make it sound like Nina rescinding her rights would be permanent either.

Carly seems to be done with how Sonny downplays his feelings for Nina, at least I hope. It's funny cause in that confrontation with Nina, I didn't mind the outcome of Nina digging deeper into her Sonny love and Carly getting the info she came there for. Yeah, I think that conversation definitely hurt Carly with some truths Sonny kept from her but she's a brawler, always has been. So that slap was nothing to her and I'm glad it was nothing but fuel for Nina as well. Carly knew that if she pushed enough, Nina wouldn't hold back and spill some details about Nixon Falls that Sonny wouldn't tell her. And I felt like that information from Nina gave her the upper hand to push Sonny away during their kitchen conversation.

Surprising that since the reveal, Carly's gotten more honest straightforward answers from Nina than Sonny. Sonny also needs to understand that forgiveness for lying to her face for months doesn't happen overnight but we know Sonny's not a patient man when he doesn't get his way. As we see with him already starting to unravel with him now constantly thinking about Nina and ignoring his prescription refill. But I really hope they move Carly's focus away from crusading against Nina to now being there for her mom while she grieves Luke and maybe buying a new house now that she's possibly moving out.

[ouinason]

I just realized that if Nina and Sonny are legitimately a thing, Nina gets near to Avery.  I am not ok with that.

 

ETA: I realize this is more than a little hypocritical considering I didn't have much of an issue of Franco being near to Aiden, but the situations and motivations of those kidnappings are quite different and the absolute violence of what Nina did is just.... a lot to get past.  I realize she and Ava are friendly now, but even Ava hasn't let her be around her daughter.

Edited January 12, 2022 by ouinason

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, KimChi Rogue said:

So she came up with a solution that is difficult for both side but will be beneficial in the long run if everyone makes the effort.

How is this difficult for Michael? He gets what he wants, Nina staying away from Wiley. Michael would love that to be permanent, no matter Willow's feelings about it. Wiley might miss Nina, but it's not as if he's crying himself to sleep asking for her.

[nilyank]

2 minutes ago, ouinason said:

I just realized that if Nina and Sonny are legitimately a thing, Nina gets near to Avery.  I am not ok with that.

Yeah let’s see how how pro-Nina would really be if Nina treated Avery and Ava the way she treated Charlotte and Lulu.

none of the adult kids are going to support the relationship and Carly won’t let Nina near Donna.

[statsgirl]

Carly isn't going to let any new squeeze of Sonny's anywhere near Avery much less Donna anyway no matter who she is. When Sonny was 'dead', Ava still had to fight her for access to Avery because "the Corinthos house with her family is her home."

Watros' Nina is so different from Stafford's that I'd forgotten about the baby rabies. But even with the same character, Nina has Wiley now. The old Nina had no next generation family. Now she knows that Nelle was her daughter and she has a grandson as well as Maxie and her kids, even Britt and Leisl. So there is a stability now that there wasn't before.

Willow is delusional if she thinks that Nina giving up legal claim on Wiley is going to soften Michael's heart. Carly and her children never give up anything .

I still think of Wiley as being Lucas and Brad's child more than Willow's. Willow is someone who only has a claim to Wiley by glomming on to Michael so it irks me every time she makes a pronouncement about Wiley because of her status as his mother.

15 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Carly and Sonny are just ridiculous at this point.  What exactly does Carly want Sonny to do?  If he says he wants her, she doesn't believe it.  And her moral high ground is laughable considered she was one "Sonny sits in front of the fire and reflects on being back in his living room" minute away from being naked with Jason.

Carly wants everything. For all her insistence on the truth, she wants Sonny to lie to her that Nina means nothing to him. Better yet, she wants him to go back in time and erase everything about 'Mike' and Nina.

There is no suspence to this (other than what awful thing Carly will do next) because Sonny and Carly will get back together again. Even now Sonny is wagging his tail and begging to be let back into Carly's good graces. He's cooking at home because there was no food at the penthouse? Yeah, right. So it's just a matter of time before they're back together and being unbearably smug about  it while everyone in Port Charles from Michael to Laura and Maxie kisses their asses.

If the show is going to make Sonny and Carly the predominant couple, it needs to stop making the drama about their relationship and break ups because at this point it's very old and tired.

ETA: Ava reminds Spencer that he gave Avery a teddy bear with a killer's voice and he replies that Avery never was in danger. But the real cost to that was that Ava sent Avery to live with Carly and was going to give up her daughter and move a world away because she felt that that was the only way to keep her safe. That hurt to not just Ava but Avery, not the gallery destruction or burning up her car or even breaking up his father's marriage,  was the real damage in what Spencer did and working for Ava by no means is restitution for that.

Edited January 12, 2022 by statsgirl

[KittyQ]

3 hours ago, KimChi Rogue said:

So she came up with a solution that is difficult for both side but will be beneficial in the long run if everyone makes the effort.

The problem is that she's asking Nina to legally (that is officially) give up any claim to Wiley, on the speculation that this will make Michael soften his stance. This is so vague and open-ended. If we were talking about something more tangible than a relationship (a car, a house, money), it would be more obvious what a wildly imbalanced proposition this is. Michael doesn't have to give up anything and isn't even an active party to this "agreement", so he could always just say that he'll never get over it and now that Nina has given up whatever rights she has, that's just fine with him. 

[YaddaYadda]

3 hours ago, KimChi Rogue said:

I know the general consensus of Willow is that she's Michael's parrot and Stepford wife, but I see Willow as finally starting to toughen and step up as Wiley's mom. Everything in Michael and Willow's relationship revolves around Wiley and I guess the way the show is trying to make it more bearable, is to now show their difference in parenting styles. Which is what I think this proposal shows regarding how Willow wants to raise her son. She sees where all this tension between the family is headed and she doesn't want Wiley caught in the middle.

So I sort of see what you're getting at, but Willow is tough with/on people who aren't Michael and his family. In front of them she folds like a lawn chair. 

And I don't know if I'm the only the scenes came across to that way, but it felt like Willow was setting Nina up. 

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So she came up with a solution that is difficult for both side but will be beneficial in the long run if everyone makes the effort.

100% disagree. The solution is difficult for only one person. Nina. She is the one who has to relinquish her legal right to her grandson. Once that door is opened (or closed I guess), Michael will never allow the issue to be revisited. 

Willow better make sure that adoption is completely legal and that there are no loopholes. They will come for her the second she steps out of line.

[hypnotoad]

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Surprising that since the reveal, Carly's gotten more honest straightforward answers from Nina than Sonny.

I don't it's the least bit surprising ... Sonny is a coward. He's a pretend tough guy moobster who blames everyone else for things that go wrong, rather than looking square at himself.

He ended up in NF because HE decided to kill Julian. He ended up in NF for 9 months not because of amnesia but because HE refused to look into his past. He ended up in a relationship of sorts with Nina because again HE couldn't be bothered to find out who he really was. Not that Nina isn't blameless for some of this of course, she should have opened her mouth no matter what. Furthermore, he chose to try and act like Carly was imaging things when it came to Nina since the return, rather than just coming clean.

I don't care if Sonny ends up with Nina or Carly but honestly Nina is an idiot. She has some romantic notion in her head about Mike. Sonny isn't Mike. He might be a little softer around the edges but that hardly negates his line of business or his issues with glassware. 

And really what is the point? I doubt they'll split Sonny and Carly permanently, if at all.

[sunnyface]

On 1/11/2022 at 9:30 AM, NotMySekrit2Tell said:

I am still liking Sonny more post-NF than I have in a while. 

It seems like MB's differentiation between Mike and Sonny involves the simple motion of looking towards the ground in a bashful mode - that would be the Mike persona.  🙅‍♀️

1 minute ago, hypnotoad said:

He ended up in NF because HE decided to kill Julian.

Both Mike and Sonny are violent thugs.  Heads or tails - we lose.