S11.E04: Making Up Is Hard to Do

[Dance4Life]

35 minutes ago, chewycandy said:

Love Barbara’s look here, much better than her current style. 

Hahahahahahahah!  That is some Kardashian Super Strength 

Photoshop! 😂

[StatisticalOutlier]

2 hours ago, izabella said:

I'm also not convinced Lu is an alcoholic.  Lots of people get blasted off their minds and do stupid shit.  It's not like she was going to actually kill a policeman; she was bombed.  Lots of people also self-medicate after a bad break-up, like the one with Tom, and get drunk for a while, like some people get depressed and eat themselves into a Haagen-Dasz oblivion for a while.  That doesn't mean she is unable to stop drinking or that it controls her life. I'm not saying this is healthy behavior, but it's also not necessarily true that she actually suffers from the disease that alcoholism is.

I posted back when she went to rehab the first time that I thought she could be a social drinker, but would have a tough time doing it because people would be all over her for it.  Then she went to rehab a second time and I began to have my doubts, but when you put it in terms of "the disease that alcoholism is," I don't think she suffers from it. 

I think she's better off if she doesn't drink in certain situations or at certain times, but that doesn't mean she can't drink ever.  But as @ghoulina pointed out, she has to be self-aware enough to recognize those situations, and it appears that that might be problematic.

[Carolina Girl]

19 hours ago, Straycat80 said:

This date Ramona’s on is going downhill fast. Half way in and she’s already not listening to a word he’s saying. He does seem a little weird tho. 

I'm not a Ramona fan, but I actually enjoyed that segment.  And I felt for her.  I paid one of those high-end matchmaking services and I tell you, I did better at the singles bar on Saturday night for conversation.  I eventually fired them when it became clear they were pairing me up with every damn guy that walked in and paid them to find them dates.  

[Gem 10]

4 hours ago, gingerella said:

#jovanigate is as yawn inducing as the BH bitches #puppygate. This is what happens when Bravo lets its best shows jump the shark and start eating their own.

Sometimes, when a relationship is over, it’s over.  Friendship is like divorce.  If you can’t take the persons ways, it’s time to call it a day.  Dorinda didn’t admit to what she yelled out, so I don’t blame Luann one bit.  Plus, there was that nasty drunken scene at the table in Columbia.  IMO, Luann is right.  What’s the saying?  Hit me once, hit me twice, blah, blah .. I don’t know the exact words.

[RHJunkie]

I forgot to mention last episode but since it's a continuation from last episode, I have to say, I am not crazy about Bethenny's ruffled dress. I usually like her style but that was a miss for me. She said a lot of truth here. Lu does feel like she has the upper hand and she's now pushing Dorinda to see how far Dorinda will bend before she breaks and comes running back with an apology. If your friendship meant something, you should be able to accept that both sides said things to hurt one another, apologize and move on. At this point, both sides have implicated themselves with ugly commentary and there's room for both sides to apologize.

Not sure I would say that Dorinda 'heckled' Lu but I do think she was intentionally being disruptive in a passive aggressive way that Lu would understand (she did make the snide comment about Lu standing up on stage where the Jovani dresses SHE had hooked her up with) - I just don't think Dorinda would have made that comment or did what she did at the performance if the two were in a good place but I can see why by definition, Dorinda would deny heckling Lu.

I see no value to Barbara but I thought Dorinda went off on her for no reason. Dorinda asked her what she thought of the lunch and she brought up things Lu said afterward because naturally that would influence how you think the effectiveness of the lunch was. She was only repeating the information that was shared and she mentioned the position of both sides but Dorinda began reacting to Barbara as though she was demanding Dorinda give Lu an apology. And was Dorinda caught in a lie or did they misleading show a different clip? Because in the clip, it was Dorinda that made the backhanded comment about being sued by an ex to which Sonja tried to shut down because they didn't know the details and Dorinda had the filing on her phone, insisted on her position and shared it with the group. I'd be surprised if Barbara didn't take back that comment to Sonja to confront her about it (or tell Lu about it).

[biakbiak]

23 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

I see no value to Barbara but I thought Dorinda went off on her for no reason. D

I mean she goes from 0 to crazy quickly but I totally got why she went off on Barbara. Lu and Dorinda came to a mutual understanding to put it away and move on then here comes Barbara bringing it back to square one. Barbara was shit stirring and not being at all helpful or a friend. The look of glee on her face said it all.

Edited March 28, 2019 by biakbiak

[hoodooznoodooz]

29 minutes ago, chewycandy said:

Love Barbara’s look here, much better than her current style. 

Definitely. 

She gained a lot of weight. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

4 hours ago, Barbara Please said:

Please tell me how the average New Yorker can afford the rent there? It is insane. 

Sometimes it is possible, but Ramona was more endearing, and had the best segment. I'd love to see more blind date match ups with her. Of course, the line she had at the end for next week's preview had me LMFAO. I thought it looked like Bethenny (sans makeup) too. 

It was sad to watch Dorinda with her bed head, erratic behaviour, arm waving, and slurring her words. She appears to be on mood stabilizers and then drinks until she's dun lost her mind. And she has come undone. Slowly slowly, she has lost her sense of self.  Also, she's still living with Richard's ghost. She's mentioned him this episode, and the last one. She needs help so desperately.

Lu is  full of herself. She lives for being notorious. It gives her the 'cool mom' cred. She's the type to sniff her own farts and thinks it not only smells great but should be bottled into a perfume. On a positive note, she looked stunning at the Gangsta dinner. I loved the top she had on. 

Sonja Sonja Sonja. Always the tramp, never the lady.

Loving Tins this season. I want the blue dress she had on during the rooftop patio scene. Gorgeous. Her Mom is the worst. She's quite jealous of her daughter and tries to knock her down a few pegs. It's not good to have a Mother who tries to erode a daughter's self-esteem. Also, if Tinsley wants a child she could get pregnant, or adopt, but she wants to find the right guy. Nothing wrong with that at all. I'm so glad my Mother never pushed me to have children. She just wants me to be happy. That is all a Mother can hope for her children. 

Tinsley has the most sophisticated style. Everyone else is dressing like s- - - this season. Like they’re shopping at Kohl’s or something. Dorinda’s wardrobe in past seasons has been stunning, but this season. Oof. 

[langford peel]

Dorinda has become a thoroughly unpleasant and unwatchable person this season. I never cared for her from the beginning when she called over a passing black man to hang up her coat illustrated her casual racism. This year her slovenly slatterness with the food hanging from the edge of her drunken  ass mouth has become unbearable to watch.

The problem these bitches have with Barbara is classism. They feel some how they are upper class and Barbara gives off a working class vibe. She works in the building trade and shit heads like Ramona think she is beneath them. She is not "her kind of girl." It is the same snotty ass attitude that they pull with John the dry cleaner. Dorinda is banging him and she still treats him like a low class interloper while wailing about her classy husband who died a decade ago. I give Bethenny credit as the only one who doesn't spew this nonsense. Luann would be the worst offender but I guess Barbara is useful to her so she is using her but you can be sure she will dump her the moment something better comes along.

These people just don't have a clue how they look to normal people. 
 

Edited March 28, 2019 by langford peel
because Dorinda is a drunken pig

[Ms Blue Jay]

19 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Definitely. 

She gained a lot of weight. 

An enormous amount of plastic surgery

[KungFuBunny]

18 hours ago, geauxaway said:

My basement and my basement steps are better than Sonja’s.  And my townhouse has a $90k mortgage.   And my kid has literally pissed down the basement stairs (yet mine are stripped, cleaned and recovered).   I love my house.  Watching Sonja in her basement...I can smell the damp rid bucket from my grandma’s basement. 

That just cracked me up. I think if you hadn't cleaned up after - your house still would smell better and be cleaner than Sonja's Townhouse. I was waiting to see Bed Bugs crawl out of those curtains as well as critters with whiskers and tails scurrying about (and I'm not talking about my  brethren)

Is anyone believing that the living room "leak" is a new problem? Those drapes weren't just stained in one corner.

Sonja said she is the only one who can caulk her skylight. Yeah, right, you can't even make peanut butter/honey toast yourself. I'm going to put Sonja's caulking skills at the same level as her temporary window treatment expertise

[CrinkleCutCat]

Luanne needs to go to AA, Attitude Anonymous, to overcome her lofty opinion of herself.

Luanne is too self important: she is a condescending snob and a braggart with a lofty sense of self entitlement. Her attitude toward herself is driving so much that is going wrong in her life. Legal woes, friendship woes, and woes with her own family.

[langford peel]

It looks like Luann is white knuckling it through these episodes. It's obvious she needs the money and notoriety that feeds the success of her cabaret show. I find it interesting that they brought Barbara on to be her Sancho Panza this season. Nobody else seems to have much going on. Luann's sobriety seems to be a convenient cover for Bethenny's troubles with Dennis's death such a recent event.

I wonder who is going to be the villain this season? The way the edit is shaping up in the early going it looks like it is sloppy ass Dorinda.

[PradaKitty]

Ahem... As I previously posted on an incorrect site (having a drunken Dorinda day), Dorinda’s realtor sure has some WHITE teeth for an older gal (among other things). 

Her neck is giving her age away- she should probably cover it or look into a neck lift.

Also, if she was going for the golden tan look she missed it by a mile.  🍊 

[izabella]

9 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Is anyone believing that the living room "leak" is a new problem? Those drapes weren't just stained in one corner.

I recall many leaks after the Hurricane.  I have a vague recollection of her standing at a window with a repair person of some kind, and I'm pretty sure it was because of a leak.  I wonder if she had hurricane damage that wasn't fixed properly.

[Gem 10]

Not being mean, but did Tinsleys Mother have a stroke on one side of her face, or what’s with that?

[backhometome]

So Luann cant even take her community service seriously. Why does she need to bring a friend with her? How hard is it to scoop soup into a bowl. You could tell the chef really disliked her.

Tinsleys mother seems like a nightmare to have.

Dorinda had some kind of breakdown at the end. Wtf. 

"It looks like Bethenny crying" LMAO I died.

The real estate lady was scary looking.

Edited March 28, 2019 by backhometome

[HunterHunted]

2 hours ago, chewycandy said:

Love Barbara’s look here, much better than her current style.

2 hours ago, ghoulina said:

How is that even Barbara????

Is the Barbara we've been watching the actual animate portrait of Dorian Gray?

[ladle]

This may be the dumbest question of the day, but why was there no double dipping? The only thing I can think of is that it takes too long and slows down the process? But what are you supposed to do if you accidentally ladle out too little - just send a half cup down the line?

I realize my handle suggests I might have a greater knowledge of such things. 

I do not.

[snarts]

Luann is awfully full of herself, yes.  But I understand her hesitation to reconcile with Dorinda.  When someone close to you suddenly turns around and unleashes a nasty barrage of hurtful insults, you never really forget it.  You may move on but you never trust/share as much with them again.  Whereas, Luann might have been dismissive, but she's never been mean or spiteful.  Dorinda seems so full of rage & animosity, the slightest perceived slight sets her off.     

I never thought I'd say it but please show us more Ramona dates!

[gritz]

LuAnn has quite a set of ovaries, and no shame. That flashback scene with the young ladies...SMH.

20 hours ago, bosawks said:

Watching Ramona be dismissive to her horrible date should be a regular occurrence.

I would totally watch a one-off show of Ramona and Kelly Dodd going on first dates.

Dorinda should've worn a "Thug in a Cocktail Dress" t-shirt to the lame gangster meeting. Thank goodness she didn't come up in there with a gold tooth smile.

I noticed one shelf in Dorinda's fridge contained cold compresses. Preparation for her next drunken injury?

Two bi HWs and a little lez action - 'bout time, Bravo. 

19 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

Yeah, and Sonja bragging she has soooooo many men. All of em' asking to marry her. Sure, hon. Keep believing. 

If Danielle Staub can have 20 engagements, then Sonja can get flippant proposals on the regular.

Why is Beth wearing Tinsley's dresses?

[bravofan27]

I don't mind Barbara at all. I think she looks really good, and I like her personality. She seems fun and nice. Dorinda is being a bit a haul, and I thought Barbara did okay with it. Dorinda was pissed at her for dissing her house, and Barbara is very blunt.

[KungFuBunny]

19 hours ago, AttackTurtle said:

The editors must adore Ramona.  That comment about the Halloween decoration looking like Bethenny “crying” is pure gold (and I love Bethenny...but it kind of does look like her).  And I was right there with her and her reactions to that date.  Good for her though.  She’s out there doing her thing.  

I love that NY has the annual “Berkshire’s” trip.  I live about 45 minutes away from Great Barrington and I never want to know when they make their annual pilgrimage, as I fear I just might drive that way for a sighting.

I have never been a fan of Dorinda’s apartment, but I think she really considers Blue Stone Manor home.  Regardless, if she wants top dollar for that apartment, the kitchen needs to be updated.

I don’t care what side of the highway Bethenny’s investment property is on, that house is beautiful.  I love her main spot too, as well as Luanne’s (which is gorgeous).  

Ramona Rules!

Even shadier - look back at the entire preview clip.

The first scene they show is Bethenny with her hair scraped back in a ponytail amidst a bout of crying talking to the replacement Dr I'm A Bore therapist. The last scene of that clip is the statue/halloween prop and Ramona.

Was the prop - Gollum from Lord of The Rings?

[Chit Chat]

44 minutes ago, backhometome said:

"It looks like Bethenny crying" LMAO I died.

The thing with Ramona is that one week she'll say something so terrible ( the Dennis not being smart comment), then the next week she has the best line of the night!  Sometimes the words come flying out of her mouth before her brain has time to engage, so hopefully she truly regrets that comment about Dennis.  I'm sure that's going to come back and bite her on the ass at the reunion.   She is still entertaining though and I'd miss her if she wasn't on the show.  

[DrSparkles]

21 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

Going up the stairs from Sonja’s basement (getting fresh curtains).

Dorinda: I think I’m in a porn flick.

Sonya: That sounds like fun. 

I think Sonja is sexually fluid. Especially after the stranger kiss scene earlier that she clearly enjoyed. 

I think Sonja is sexually sloppy. Would sleep w anyone who steals a crustacean.

Tins’ family seems to have REAL money. And OLD money. I mean, her name is TINSLEY!!

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

I am totally on board the Tinsley love train. She is a glimpse of real old money, I am rooting for her to find love and start a family. Her hair, clothes, and manners are ON point. Always. 

Editing monkeys, was that a snowstorm out in Sonja's townhouse backyard. Most of this was filmed pre Halloween. 

I do NOT think Dorinda was heckling. It was LUANN who brought up her dress collection onstage and Dorinda was giving the shout out to Jovani.... only because Luann DID NOT give Jovani the shout out and totally should have!! Solid w/Dorinda when she insists she was not heckling. 

[Gem 10]

32 minutes ago, snarts said:

Luann is awfully full of herself, yes.  But I understand her hesitation to reconcile with Dorinda.  When someone close to you suddenly turns around and unleashes a nasty barrage of hurtful insults, you never really forget it.  You may move on but you never trust/share as much with them again.  Whereas, Luann might have been dismissive, but she's never been mean or spiteful.  Dorinda seems so full of rage & animosity, the slightest perceived slight sets her off.     

I never thought I'd say it but please show us more Ramona dates!

YES.  My thoughts exactly.  Dorinda is getting unhinged more and more.  Time for an intervention.

[Gem 10]

1 minute ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

I am totally on board the Tinsley love train. She is a glimpse of real old money, I am rooting for her to find love and start a family. Her hair, clothes, and manners are ON point. Always. 

Editing monkeys, was that a snowstorm out in Sonja's townhouse backyard. Most of this was filmed pre Halloween. 

I do NOT think Dorinda was heckling. It was LUANN who brought up her dress collection onstage and Dorinda was giving the shout out to Jovani.... only because Luann DID NOT give Jovani the shout out and totally should have!! Solid w/Dorinda when she insists she was not heckling. 

Dorinda should have told Luann beforehand at some point to give a shout out to Jovani when on the stage.  It was up to Luann, not Dorinda to say it, IMO.

[KungFuBunny]

22 hours ago, bosawks said:

Ramona should’ve started to drink that wine with a straw straight from the bottle.

The moment he said he lives in an isolated cabin, preferring solitude, no neighbors for miles around, Bunny cried Run Ramona, dude is a serial killer!

Ramona fussed around with her shawl. I wish she would have instead:

1) Reached down and pulled out a swim noodle. Bashed him twice and ran OR

2) Reached down and unfolded her Tate's Bakery Bag (Previously used for Lobster), re-corked the wine bottle, put wine in Tate's bag, and walked off.

[Chit Chat]

5 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

I am totally on board the Tinsley love train. She is a glimpse of real old money, I am rooting for her to find love and start a family. Her hair, clothes, and manners are ON point. Always. 

Me too.  She's a breath of fresh air from some of the other ladies.  She's not a tart, she's not constantly badmouthing people, and she's not arrogant.  She's just her sweet self, and I find that very likeable!  

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, snarts said:

Luann is awfully full of herself, yes.  But I understand her hesitation to reconcile with Dorinda.  When someone close to you suddenly turns around and unleashes a nasty barrage of hurtful insults, you never really forget it.  You may move on but you never trust/share as much with them again.  Whereas, Luann might have been dismissive, but she's never been mean or spiteful.  Dorinda seems so full of rage & animosity, the slightest perceived slight sets her off.     

I never thought I'd say it but please show us more Ramona dates!

I agree with you on a personal level, but in the realm of Real Housewives, I think something else.  Especially with Luann, whom I have always liked.  She's really disappointing me so far this season.

Bethenny has gone after Luann time and time and time again over all these seasons of the show - calling her a snake in the grass, a whore, a slut, a snob, etc.  And yet, Luann continues to forgive, forget and move on.  Why?  Because it's Bethenny, and she's supposedly so powerful?  Because Bethenny was involved in Luann's intervention?  I can't recall Bethenny ever offering any apologies for anything she's ever said about/to Luann.

Dorinda said some pretty nasty things once (as far as we know) to Luann, in one altercation, and heckles her a bit at her cabaret show, and now, Luann is all angry and expecting an abject apology from Dorinda?  I'm not saying that Dorinda is an innocent, or is not accountable for her actions, but she has already apologized over and over again for the Cartegna debacle.  She was angry at the caberet show and displayed her anger.  She should apologize for that, as well, but Dorinda had a valid point with how much she's done and been there for Luann throughout the years - much more than Bethenny has, imo.  

If they don't get beyond this soon, I'm going to get as bored with this as I am with puppygate on RHOBH.  

Oh, and I am really not liking Barbara at all--as I said previously, she's coming in too hot and heavy for a "friend of", and she just seems more nosey than concerned about anyone's friendships.

Edited March 29, 2019 by njbchlover

[Gem 10]

23 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

I don’t care what side of the highway Bethenny’s investment property is on, that house is beautiful.  I love her main spot too, as well as Luanne’s (which is gorgeous)

Took a ride to the Hamptons today, again.  Two lane highway, went north and south of the highway.  Heavy traffic always, and to tell the truth, the North Shore of Long Island is much more spacious, serene, private and beautiful.  There are gated mansions with lots of property.  It’s hilly and has much more foliage and more wine country.  I think the Hamptons is more of a party location.  Not saying the houses aren’t beautiful, just different all around.  The south has the ocean and the north of the island has the sound.  All you need is millions of dollars for whichever side you choose, lol.

[snarts]

njbchlover. I hear what you're saying. I think Luann has always viewed Bethenny as a co-worker, while she & Dorinda were truly friends on/off the show.   https://nypost.com/2015/03/02/dorinda-medley-joins-real-housewives-of-new-york/

[HaaCHOO]

9 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

Especially with Luann, whom I have always liked.  She's really disappointing me so far this season.

Then I'm lucky.  I never liked her superior ways...even when she was attempting to be what she really is (a poor kid who made good).

So...no disappointment for me.  I'm just sad she gets so much screen time.

9 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

calling her a snake in the grass, a whore, a slut, a snob, etc. 

I probably did/do too.

Edited March 29, 2019 by HaaCHOO

[albarino]

37 minutes ago, Gem 10 said:

Luann is awfully full of herself, yes.  But I understand her hesitation to reconcile with Dorinda.  When someone close to you suddenly turns around and unleashes a nasty barrage of hurtful insults, you never really forget it.

But remember Lu was very dismissive Dorinda when her feelings were hurt that John wasn't invited to the Cabaret and Tinsley told her Lu had invited Scott.  She did this a Carole's insistence.  Thanks Carole!

This wasn't a random Jovani heckle; to me Lu started it in her own way....

[HaaCHOO]

3 hours ago, Gem 10 said:

Dorinda didn’t admit to what she yelled out, so I don’t blame Luann one bit.

Perhaps if they wouldn't use the word "heckle," the discussions might go farther.  They all have a different idea of what heckling is AND why Dorinda was yelling "Jovani."  Let's bring in Jovani to clear it up.

[HaaCHOO]

1 minute ago, albarino said:

But remember Lu was very dismissive Dorinda when her feelings were hurt that John wasn't invited to the Cabaret

Does everyone feel that Dorinda was wrong?  For me, it was another display of Luann's snobbish rudery.

[njbchlover]

11 minutes ago, snarts said:

njbchlover. I hear what you're saying. I think Luann has always viewed Bethenny as a co-worker, while she & Dorinda were truly friends on/off the show.   https://nypost.com/2015/03/02/dorinda-medley-joins-real-housewives-of-new-york/

That is a very good point - you're probably right.

But, even with that, speaking for myself, I would be more willing to talk it out and try to repair a deep friendship than I would be trusting and being all buddy-buddy with a co-worker who was continuously rude and insulting to me.

Then again, I am not Luann and I don't have to make drama to keep my job!!  😂

Edited March 29, 2019 by njbchlover

[Gem 10]

10 minutes ago, HaaCHOO said:

Does everyone feel that Dorinda was wrong?  For me, it was another display of Luann's snobbish rudery.

Why wasn’t John invited in the first place?  Not  enough room, which was b.s.

[biakbiak]

21 minutes ago, HaaCHOO said:

Does everyone feel that Dorinda was wrong?  For me, it was another display of Luann's snobbish rudery.

If she had only yelled Jovani once I would be on her side but she did it more than once and made it a thing. That said Lu completely lording over her and feeling she gets to set the agenda on how and where they have any convos etc is ridiculous.

[bosawks]

1 hour ago, gritz said:

I would totally watch a one-off show of Ramona and Kelly Dodd going on first dates.

Genius

[JD5166]

Nobody has mentioned the true crime of the Dorinda/Barbara sit down...she served champagne in a WINE GLASS! 

Tinsley’s so much more likable without her young gal pal, Carole. Suddenly everyone loves her without that glob face hanging around her acting like a teenager. 

[bravofan27]

I think Dorinda got gangster and punk mixed up. Or maybe she watched a Jaden Smith video and thought that was gangster. Or maybe she was being 'hood gangster and Barbara was being mafia gangster. Who knows. They were all over the place. 

I would kill for Luanne's bone structure. I've always thought she was the most naturally beautiful housewife. She has fantastic genes. 

Bethanny's interactions around Tinsley seem strained. She's trying hard to not say catty things to Tinsley, which is admirable, given she spent all last season  insinuating she was dumb and just cared about eyelashes and selfies through insults to Carole.

Tinsley, who gets her hair and make-up done professionally every morning is definitely fucking rich. She lives in a hotel penthouse. But given how much a full family would cost (i.e. Tori Spelling), she's probably spending less than allotted. 

Edited March 29, 2019 by bravofan27

[langford peel]

1 hour ago, HaaCHOO said:

Does everyone feel that Dorinda was wrong?  For me, it was another display of Luann's snobbish rudery.

I feel that Dorinda is a disgusting human being and a drunken fool. How many episodes do we have to be subjected to her finger wagging slurred tirades that are not funny but just sad and violent. Look I don't give Luann a pass. She is always on her high horse and she is a grade A genius level phony and pretentious hose bag. But Dorinda has deteriorated to a complete and other waste. She is always drunk and incoherent and nasty. Enough with her already.

[RHJunkie]

4 hours ago, biakbiak said:

I mean she goes from 0 to crazy quickly but I totally got why she went off on Barbara. Lu and Dorinda came to a mutual understanding to put it away and move on then here comes Barbara bringing it back to square one. Barbara was shit stirring and not being at all helpful or a friend. The look of glee on her face said it all.

Barbara didn't just randomly bring it up. Dorinda asked a question which I don't think she would have asked if she felt completely confident in how things went so she asked someone who had an in with Lu. Yes Barbara offered information she didn't have to offer (which is how all of these women operate when they have information about something) but Barbara didn't lie, didn't didn't bring it up and she didn't say anything that wasn't relevant to the question asked so I still stand by the opinion that Dorinda's reaction to Barbara was unreasonable. She addressed Barbara as though Barbara was lecturing her on what to do and sticking up for Lu but all she did was convey information shared by Lu regarding her disappointment in how the lunch ended with no apology. While Barbara has been firmly on Lu's side, in that moment, she was trying to address both sides of the argument and acknowledging that both sides were hurt by each other and Dorinda went off on her. Don't ask questions if there's an answer out there that you may not like.

Edited March 29, 2019 by RHJunkie

[biakbiak]

26 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Barbara didn't just randomly bring it up. Dorinda asked a question which I don't think she would have asked if she felt completely confident in how things went so she asked someone who had an in with Lu. Yes Barbara offered information she didn't have to offer (which is how all of these women operate when they have information about something) but Barbara didn't lie,

Dorinda asked specifically what Barbara thought because she was one of the four people there, I imagine she asked Bethenny the same exact thing. Instead of offering her thoughts on the lunch she launched into speaking for Lu which I don’t consider the same thing at all.

[kicksave]

9 hours ago, esco1822 said:

Barbara is Lu's friend, not Bethenny's friend. B did become more friendly with her through the intervention process but they aren't close by any stretch. 

Whatever...they're all a bunch of yentas.

[RHJunkie]

34 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Dorinda asked specifically what Barbara thought because she was one of the four people there, I imagine she asked Bethenny the same exact thing. Instead of offering her thoughts on the lunch she launched into speaking for Lu which I don’t consider the same thing at all.

In advance, sorry for the long response. I just wanted to be thorough with my thought process (which actually takes seconds to compute but takes much longer to explain! lol).

Lu's comments were in context of the lunch, I don't see an issue with it being brought up as something relevant to the lunch - it was in fact relevant. When you ask someone 'how did x go?', you're asking them to gauge or measure the success of that thing from your experience/perspective. Now if you sat in on a meeting that you thought went positively only to find out afterward that someone in that meeting felt disappointed with the outcome, when asked how it went, how is it unreasonable to think that the post-meeting comments won't influence your overall measure of how successful the meeting went? I think the average person would be influenced by having that knowledge.

We can argue that Barbara shouldn't have said something or should have carried the message differently in which case, Lu should be the one that's angry with Barbara for speaking on her behalf, and if that was your argument, we would be on the same page. We're talking about the reasonableness of Dorinda's angry reaction. I say it was unreasonable, you say it wasn't. Whether it was Barbara's place to share Lu's opinion doesn't change the fact that Barbara was accurate in the information she relayed and she at no point relayed the message as though it was coming from her. I think she made it quite clear that it was Lu that felt disappointed in not receiving an apology yet Dorinda spoke to her as though Barbara was telling her she needs to apologize to Lu for the things she's done. She was dead ass wrong for making that assumption and then getting angry over it - classic case of trying to shoot the messenger. The only time Barbara's own opinion came into play is when she said that Dorinda should not have been talking about Lu's lawsuit with people and this is especially fair when considering that Dorinda is going around talking about how much she loves Lu and hopes they can reconcile. You don't bring up and snicker behind a friend's back (if you have any desire to reconcile with them) about a lawsuit filed by their ex-husband and their children. Then she was dead ass wrong for bringing up the conversation, bringing receipts of the lawsuit and then lying about her role in all of that conversation that was had with Sonja et al.

I can understand why Dorinda might have felt very vulnerable in that moment and lashed out but I can be sympathetic and still say something is wrong. If I'm being unfair to Dorinda, you're going to have specifically break down the parts of her conversation with Barbara where she had good reason to be angry with Barbara because I just don't see it.

Edited March 29, 2019 by RHJunkie

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9 hours ago, gingerella said:

It's easy to see how one would think B was behind Bawbwa's hiring because according to B, she is the self-proclaimed consigliere of the NY Ho's. *insert hard eye roll here* And what's all this bullshit about it being a 'Gangster' lunch? Just because they were going to Little Italy? For christsake, these women pretend to be so 'real New Yorkers' and they think the place they went to is a mafiosa type place? AYFKM? Any restaurant in Little Italy that would have them film there is a garden variety Italian restaurant. There's nothing edgy about that place. These Ho's are ridiculous. If it's not Bergdorf's or Bloomie's, they have no fucking idea about the City. They all act like hoity toity tourists most of the time.

I had to re wind to hear Lawwwrie say "$8000, at least..." There is no way Dorinda's place is worth that, it's just not that big or nice. No way. I'm calling NYC Real Estate bullshit on that one.

So true! They live in the bubble of either the Upper East Side or a swanky Tribeca loft. Sonja's townhouse may have a tony address but what a dump. Yet they all act like they own NYC...They're all privileged women with a huge sense of entitlement. "Lunch at Bergdorf's"...that was the most touristy thing I've ever heard a "real"New Yorker say. I am puzzled by the stereotype of a "mob" themed lunch at a restaurant in Little Italy...really? Are you gals sure you aren't from Iowa? No offense meant to anyone from Iowa...

4 hours ago, langford peel said:

Dorinda has become a thoroughly unpleasant and unwatchable person this season. I never cared for her from the beginning when she called over a passing black man to hang up her coat illustrated her casual racism. This year her slovenly slatterness with the food hanging from the edge of her drunken  ass mouth has become unbearable to watch.

The problem these bitches have with Barbara is classism. They feel some how they are upper class and Barbara gives off a working class vibe. She works in the building trade and shit heads like Ramona think she is beneath them. She is not "her kind of girl." It is the same snotty ass attitude that they pull with John the dry cleaner. Dorinda is banging him and she still treats him like a low class interloper while wailing about her classy husband who died a decade ago. I give Bethenny credit as the only one who doesn't spew this nonsense. Luann would be the worst offender but I guess Barbara is useful to her so she is using her but you can be sure she will dump her the moment something better comes along.

These people just don't have a clue how they look to normal people. 
 

They're all obnoxious...including Bethenny.

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7 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

I actually think this was to placate Barbara after her hot mic scene with Carole.  Fine, we filmed something you didn't like and YOU were not mic'd so we will throw you a bone, you can be friend of, show people your biz, now will you shut up?

I actually think this was done to guarantee Luann's return.

Bravo wanted to make sure they captivated any new shenanigans from Ludini.

Each season one HW gets to bring one another person and introduce them to the group as their "friend"

Ramona brought on Dorinda

Dorinda brought on Jules

Sonja brought on Tinsley

It was Luann's turn