Carole Radziwill: She's a Real Princess!

[918lux]

12 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

The Queen never approved his title because he couldn't provide evidence  that he held the title . Ari Onasis always called him the Faux Prince.

" Let me note here that the Radziwill Catholic line were never given the title of prince, or, I should say more accurately, they gave themselves the  title but it was not accept and never was official"

He was a direct male-line descendant of Mikolaj "The Black" who, in 1547 was created a hereditary Reichsfürsten (Prince) of Nesvizh & Olyka. It was actually a pretty big deal, because at the time, only 5 other Polish families were granted the title of Imperial Prince.  Yes, at the time the title was granted, that branch was Calvinist.  However, the children of Mikołaj "the Black" converted to Catholicism and the title continued to be passed down throughout the generations, right on to Anthony Radziwill.  

Obviously they aren't rulers anymore, nor do any of them have any sort of inherited political power, but they are descendants of the princely line

[Sharonana]

My husband has almost died twice in the 40 years that we have been married. First time 10 years ago to esophageal cancer. He no longer has an esophagus. His stomach was pulled up through his body and attached to the small piece of esophagus that was left. The radiation and chemo alone almost killed him. Second time 2 years ago to 14, yes 14 brain lesions that just developed out of nowhere. One lesion was so big that they did a craniotomy to drain the lesion that was on the front of his brain. To this day, they still have no idea where they came from. He was put on steroids and to say it changed his personality is an understatement. There were times I couldn't stand to be around him. My emotions were completely on autopilot. I felt like a zombie had taken over my body. All I did was try to be strong for my husband. It wasn't until months and years later after each illness that I fully realized the gravity of the situation. I thought I would never stop crying. I would never judge anyone on how they react to their spouse's illness. Watching your husband fight for his life while a ravaging disease takes over his body ain't for the faint of heart. It's truly the worst thing that has ever happened in my entire life. I'm not telling this because I want sympathy, but I can cut Carole a lot of slack in that department.

Edited August 30, 2018 by Sharonana

[Otherkate]

One of the wonderful things about What Remains was that it was so honest. Caring for a sick loved one is messy and HARD. No one does a perfect job of it and a lot of people respond in truly ugly ways. I really respected Carole's honesty in the book and I'm definitely going to give her a lot of breathing room when it comes to what she did or said during that stressful time in her life. 

Personally, I also can't take the fake accounts thing seriously without proof. Of course it could be true (Jill) and Carole does seem to care a LOT about the lack of support she's gotten on Twitter this season, but it's really easy to throw out that accusation. 

[Mozelle]

3 minutes ago, Sharonana said:

My husband has almost died twice in the 40 years that we have been married. First time 10 years ago to esophageal cancer. He no longer has an esophagus. His stomach was pulled up through his body and attached to the small piece of esophagus that was left. The radiation and chemo alone almost killed him. Second time 2 years ago to 14, yes 14 brain lesions that just developed out of nowhere. One lesion was so big that they did a craniotomy to drain the lesion that was on the front of his brain. To this day, they still have no idea where they came from. My emotions were completely on autopilot. I felt like a zombie had taken over my body. All I did was try to be strong for my husband. It wasn't until months and years later after each illness that I fully realized the gravity of the situation. I thought I would never stop crying. I would never judge anyone on how they react to their spouse's illness. Watching your husband fight for his life while a ravaging disease takes over his body ain't for the faint of heart. It's truly the worst thing that has ever happened in my entire life. I'm not telling this because I want sympathy, but I can cut Carole a lot of slack in that department.

My goodness, Sharonana. You didn't say this to elicit sympathy, but those were still very tough times to endure. I know I can't begin to imagine the emotional and psychological toll it would take to care for a gravely ill spouse.

[Sharonana]

Thank you Mozelle. You know the saying, what doesn't kill ya makes you stronger. Well I think I'm about as strong as I want to be. ;) <3

[Ki-in]

26 minutes ago, 918lux said:

but they are descendants of the princely line

Descendants of a line of people who shit, bleed and die like everyone else but give themselves titles (or get them from their wealthy cronies) to prop themselves up and make themselves out to be better than mere peasants (all of us) and cut others down.

Hell, the mere fact that that titles can be bought and sold and hold no mystical powers shows they are truly meaningless and the people who think they mean anything in this day and age are sad.

Are you going to bow down to Princess Carole or give up your place on a lifeboat or let them have their way with your peasant virgin daughter (like they used to) because of the divine right of kings?

[trimthatfat]

2 hours ago, QuinnM said:

No one cares but she does nothing all day. She has more free time than someone with children who works for a living. That was Bethenny’s point.  And being part owner of a dozen cats is not a job. 

Well, I care. I still consider being on this show a job. 

After watching the extreme toll caretaking took on my loved ones, I cannot begin to criticize how Carole handled Anthony’s death before and after the passing. It’s a rough position to be in with almost no room for a break. Bless her.

[Ki-in]

2 minutes ago, trimthatfat said:

. It’s a rough position to be in with almost no room for a break. 

Carole unlike others had the money for nurses and respite care. Many people do not, many people go bankrupt from medical issues. Robin Williams had to help pay for Christopher Reeves because the money ran out. Carole lives in a world that is completely unrelatable to the average person. Remember when  she giggled and asked if she was part of the 1%, she knew very well she is.

[trimthatfat]

22 minutes ago, Ki-in said:

Carole unlike others had the money for nurses and respite care. Many people do not, many people go bankrupt from medical issues. Robin Williams had to help pay for Christopher Reeves because the money ran out. Carole lives in a world that is completely unrelatable to the average person. Remember when  she giggled and asked if she was part of the 1%, she knew very well she is.

Just because she had money doesn’t mean the emotional toll was nonexistent. I don’t think that’s fair to say at all. Money doesn’t absolve anyone of issues or sadness or frustration. I won’t begrudge anyone for having money for care - death sucks and that’s that really. Caregiver fatigue, even for the wealthy, exists. I’ll agree to disagree because it feels icky to me personally to criticize how any widow deals with her loss.

Edited August 30, 2018 by trimthatfat

[BckpckFullaNinjas]

@Sharonana, thank you for that reality check. I truly appreciate your insight. And I hope things are much better for you and your hubs, and that they stay that way!  You deserve some smooth sailing. 

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I think I’ve said all I have to say about Carole. Could be wrong, but pretty sure.  Heh.

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But I’ll be looking for the book club we talked about briefly a couple hours back!  

[918lux]

40 minutes ago, Ki-in said:

Descendants of a line of people who shit, bleed and die like everyone else but give themselves titles (or get them from their wealthy cronies) to prop themselves up and make themselves out to be better than mere peasants (all of us) and cut others down.

Hell, the mere fact that that titles can be bought and sold and hold no mystical powers shows they are truly meaningless and the people who think they mean anything in this day and age are sad.

Are you going to bow down to Princess Carole or give up your place on a lifeboat or let them have their way with your peasant virgin daughter (like they used to) because of the divine right of kings?

Very true.  I'm not saying I think they're better than anyone else, I'm just pointing out that the family did/does in fact, hold that title.  To me, if I was Carole (or Luann) tosay I was a "Princess" or a "Countess" would likely just be fun cocktail talk and nothing more.  Sort of like a friend I have who won the Miss America Pageant - clearly she's not an actual representative of all Americans, or a queen by any means, but it's fun to through out at a party as a bit of trivia.  Nothing more, nothing less.

[Sharonana]

50 minutes ago, trimthatfat said:

Just because she had money doesn’t mean the emotional toll was nonexistent. I don’t think that’s fair to say at all. Money doesn’t absolve anyone of issues or sadness or frustration. I won’t begrudge anyone for having money for care - death sucks and that’s that really. Caregiver fatigue, even for the wealthy, exists. I’ll agree to disagree because it feels icky to me personally to criticize how any widow deals with her loss.

Whether someone is rich or poor doesn't matter because being a caregiver to someone with a debilitating illness sucks the life out of you. Of course not being able to afford medical care is another stressor in and of itself. We are truly blessed that my husband has excellent medical insurance because the two illnesses he had would have put us in the poor house for sure.

41 minutes ago, BckpckFullaNinjas said:

@Sharonana, thank you for that reality check. I truly appreciate your insight. And I hope things are much better for you and your hubs, and that they stay that way!  You deserve some smooth sailing. 

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I think I’ve said all I have to say about Carole. Could be wrong, but pretty sure.  Heh.

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But I’ll be looking for the book club we talked about briefly a couple hours back!  

Thank you! We are good. Onward and upward!

 

[Natalie68]

5 hours ago, Ki-in said:

Damn that is some ice water in her veins.

Apparently she also couldn't muster up any sympathy or comfort for Adam when his plane had that hard landing and he was scared he and his dad would crash. It supposedly drove a bit of a wedge between them because HER trauma of 20 years ago superseded his current emotional state. How she was any comfort to anyone like her friend the widow Grey is a mystery to me.

She was able to put it on because her friend now had oodles of cash that could be of use to her and her career?  I have become very jaded re the widow.

[biakbiak]

11 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

She was able to put it on because her friend now had oodles of cash that could be of use to her and her career?  I have become very jaded re the widow.

So she cultivated a close friendship with her years before she even met her husband, in order to be close to be the person she wanted with her when her husband died and left her money?

[Natalie68]

1 minute ago, biakbiak said:

So she cultivated a close friendship with her years before she even met her husband, in order to be close to be the person she wanted with her when her husband died and left her money?

I was being semi snarky.  But cuddling up to the person who is NOW the beneficiary of a shit load money  because it may help her fledgling tv career wouldn't surprise me.  She seems to be somewhat of a taker/hanger on from what I am seeing on this show.  YMMV.

[biakbiak]

1 hour ago, Natalie68 said:

I was being semi snarky.  But cuddling up to the person who is NOW the beneficiary of a shit load money  because it may help her fledgling tv career wouldn't surprise me.  She seems to be somewhat of a taker/hanger on from what I am seeing on this show.  YMMV.

But she didn’t just do it after his death they were close when Brad was alive and even before Cassandra met Brad there was just no reason to bring her up because it wasn't relevant. Hell the only reason she even alluded to it this season was because B put it  out there in the Berkshires that they didn’t spend anytime together over the summer because she was too busy traveling with Tinsley.

Edited August 30, 2018 by biakbiak

[film noire]

2 hours ago, biakbiak said:

they were close when Brad was alive and even before Cassandra met Brad

Yeah, they go way back.   A few pages ago,  I posted a link to Cassandra and Carole throwing a mwah mwah type party together (back in 07 or 08?) and they'd already been friends for awhile at that point - and she's been all over Carole's instagram from day one. 

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there was just no reason to bring her up because it wasn't relevant. 

Exactly (although I would've loved to see that mansion before they sold it  -- talk about real estate porn :)

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[bagger]

THe shade is real

[RedDelicious]

Meant to put this here.

[RedDelicious]

I just don't think anybody gets to judge Carole on the kid thing regardless of what she has said in the past. It's too personal and hits too close to home. I have one friend who is sterile because of childhood treatments and she's claimed all 25 years I've known her that it is a non-issue bc she always knew she couldn't have her own and I know for a fact that is a front. Another person close to me found out they can't produce and it was a devastating blow to them. They went on to have children but with a donor. Still it affects them deep inside because they feel like they let the other person down. 

You just can't say. Carole may have been putting up a front from day one because they knew Anthony couldn't and eventually it became apparent he would die. We just don't know what kind of pain and regret Carole brings around with her. Pain makes you do and say bad things. I do think Carole has a heart (and Bethenny is the fucking Tin Man). 

FFS nobody liked Aviva anyway.

[Fiero425]

25 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

Meant to put this here.

When he came out for Keynote Speech as the '88 Democratic Convention, I almost swooned! There was just something about him even though as a Kennedy he was more than likely a self-entitled a-hole! ;-)

[Martinigirl]

8 hours ago, 918lux said:

He was a direct male-line descendant of Mikolaj "The Black" who, in 1547 was created a hereditary Reichsfürsten (Prince) of Nesvizh & Olyka. It was actually a pretty big deal, because at the time, only 5 other Polish families were granted the title of Imperial Prince.  Yes, at the time the title was granted, that branch was Calvinist.  However, the children of Mikołaj "the Black" converted to Catholicism and the title continued to be passed down throughout the generations, right on to Anthony Radziwill.  

Obviously they aren't rulers anymore, nor do any of them have any sort of inherited political power, but they are descendants of the princely line

Branch I – the Radziwiłłs of Goniądz and Medele Mikołaj II (*1470, †1522), the eldest son of Mikołaj I, succeeded him in both offices. As an advocate of closer ties between Lithuania and Poland, he supported the Court, and, as a Lithuanian envoy, was sent on a diplomatic mission to the Habsburg-Jagiellonian congress at Wien (1518). During this congress, Emperor Maximilian granted him a hereditary title of the Prince of the Holy Roman Empire (SRI). 7 The new splendours bestowed on Mikołaj II, the head of this branch of the Radziwiłłs, did not last. It became extinct in the male line by the very next generation. Of his sons, the most famous was Mikołaj III († c. 1529), Bishop of Samogitia (Lithuanian: Žemaitija).8

 

Later on the wealthiest families (3 families) one being the Radziwill 's were  given honorary heredity titles. However, in n the 20th Century (right after W11) all  honorary title  privileges were abolished along with legal status.

[ryebread]

4 hours ago, CatMomma said:

I tried.  I really tried to see Carol's side. 

Nope.  Bitch.  You weren't bullied.  Were you run off social media because of your skin color? Did everybody from your social circle gang up on you and constantly put you down to the point where you considered suicide? Oh,  wait... A rich white woman said some mean things to another rich white woman. Bethenny sat and took it like a champ.  Never even uttered the word "bully" while they all went at her. 

Carol is a writer. Words have meaning. 

I have more to say,  but I am too angry to say more. 

I agree with you.  Carole doesn't.

 

 

[ryebread]

"We need to call out even the smallest infractions as bullying."

What.a.dumbass.  

It's probably a good thing she didn't have children.  She'd be in the pre-school principal's office to file suit because Johnny accidentally bumped into her precious Penelope on the playground.  "Bully!"

And then she'd be back when the kids are in high school because Johnny had the audacity to offer Penelope a ride home.  "Sexual harrassment! #MeToo!"

[ryebread]

LOL.  I love this person's response to Carole's twitter ridiculousness.

Perfect.  I'm stealing it. 

 

 

[Bronzedog]

When exactly is Carole finally going to go away?

[ryebread]

5 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

But cuddling up to the person who is NOW the beneficiary of a shit load money  because it may help her fledgling tv career wouldn't surprise me. 

I don't think anyone believes Carole formed a friendship with Cassandra 10 years ago because she knew the husband would be a producer and eventually die so that Carole could take advantage of his widow. LOL Let's face it, Carole isn't that bright. And the psychic that spoke to Carolyn from beyond the grave was a sham who wasn't going to provide any insight about Brad's impending death.

But like you, I think she'd hoped, throughout their friendship, that Brad the mega producer would find the Widow's Guide brilliant enough to option. But for some reason he didn't. Perhaps he recognized that it sucked?

So Brad dies. I can't blame Carole for hoping that his widow will NOW help her get Widow's Guide optioned. They're both widows. If you think about it, it's actually the perfect project.

[chewycandy]

1 hour ago, Bronzedog said:

When exactly is Carole finally going to go away?

Bet she will be live tweeting the next season

[Rap541]

I am willing to be tolerant now. I will even try to be tolerant if this goes on for the next few months... but if Carole brays like an ass as the next season starts... I don't want to hear a peep from her about how she's way the fuck above this, or that she's a serious journalist.

[film noire]

15 hours ago, 918lux said:

I think it's unfair to try to characterize it as though Carole was being a dick.  

Ironically, both Carole and Bethenny were brutally honest about their inconvenient feelings:  Carole in revealing the bone-deep price a caretaker pays, and Bethenny in admitting she felt not just joy at her second pregnancy, but relief, post-miscarriage (and then profound guilt over the relief) that she wouldn't be seven months pregnant starting her talk show. The messy truth of being female, and both women slapped  for speaking it.

14 hours ago, trimthatfat said:

Money doesn’t absolve anyone of issues or sadness or frustration. 

I agree.  As if money can fix what she went through. The body you loved and touched and kissed and fucked and sweated against is dying, and he refuses to accept that. He refuses to own that he's leaving. Refuses to accept that you need to say things; need to say goodbye,  so that somehow -- after he dies and your world stops and the nurse says "He's gone"  -- somehow, you can go on, because he let you say what needed to be said.  I love you, I know. Remember--? Yes, best day of my life -- she got none of that. She got the slow drip-drip of denial,  the increasing panic of "Go to the gym, I can beat this!" So if she kissed a man or took a moment to feel the horror of it all before responding to his needs--  counted up her losses for both of them (but it was such a small bump) because he wouldn't face his own mortality  (maybe if we'd gone sooner?) -- then good for her. I hope it helped. I hope it fucking helped.

 

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Thank you! We are good. Onward and upward!

All good thoughts to you, @Sharonana --  glad you're both standing in the sunlight,  you've earned it.

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[BodhiGurl]

5 hours ago, chewycandy said:

Bet she will be live tweeting the next season

100%. 

[Jextella]

I posted a long time ago that Bethenny and Carole, IMO, are similar in many ways.  The most glaring to me is that they are both single women of a certain age who can't seem to find "love" and instead look for fulfillment from the public via social media.

I think they are equally responsible for the demise of their "friendship" (which I don't believe was ever very deep) and it started with small slights that weren't intended as slights, i.e. sort of accidental hits that snowballed into more and ultimately to what we see today.  They each hurt each other.

Anyway, it is probably a terribly unpopular opinion, but I'm glad Carole called out Bethenny - and Andy.  She lost her job over it (whether by choice or not), but it needed to be done.   Even though in my book, Carole is at least half at fault here, Bethenny needs to own her part as does Andy playing favorites.  And both needed a call-out just in general.

I give Carole major points for being brave enough to do this - and Ramona and Dorinda for now cowering either. 

[918lux]

9 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

However, in n the 20th Century (right after W11) all  honorary title  privileges were abolished along with legal status.

A huge majority of titles were abolished after WW1. Especially throughout Germany & Austria- the successor states to the HRE. There are plenty of Hapsburgs (& Romanovs) running around still referring to themselves as Grand Dukes & Grand Duchesses, and a ton of of German & Eastern European “princes”- it’s all bullshit at this point. My point was that at some point in history, the family had the title & is still known (colloquially) by said title, especially in Europe.

I still don’t know that I believe Carole was flat out fired. Mainly because bravo has always said they don’t make those decisions until after the reunion airs.

 

However, I do think it could be likely that the powers that be did NOT want another franchise to be impacted by a fight similar to Vicki & Tamra & said, “agree to make up & film together, or you can’t come back.” That would make Carole’s insta statement of not being willing to go against her values make sense.

[lamujerdecente]

20 hours ago, ryebread said:

There is a picture I saw a long time ago of Anthony and Carole on the boat the day they did the memorial at sea for John and Carolyn that feels like it jibes with what you read.

Carole and Anthony are sitting far apart and just looking beaten. I'm not saying they didn't lean on each other through this time, but they looked worlds apart in that picture and it just struck me as terribly, terribly sad. Anthony died two weeks later. Such a tragic time for all concerned.

Tell me when you're ready to read it, and I'll read it, too. Let's start a book club thread this fall. ?

I write memoir (writing one now) I want in on this! i just brought WR.

Edited August 31, 2018 by lamujerdecente

[VioletHues]

10 hours ago, ryebread said:

"We need to call out even the smallest infractions as bullying."

What.a.dumbass.  

It's probably a good thing she didn't have children.  She'd be in the pre-school principal's office to file suit because Johnny accidentally bumped into her precious Penelope on the playground.  "Bully!"

And then she'd be back when the kids are in high school because Johnny had the audacity to offer Penelope a ride home.  "Sexual harrassment! #MeToo!"

Oh God. She should take a Twitter break.

[Persnickety1]

20 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

Thank you for the tip!  Getting it on my Kindle right now, just in time for the long weekend :)  I thought JFK Jr. was a total jerk too - majorly ADD and totally clueless.  I wonder if he was also somewhere on the spectrum.  I don't know how Carolyn ever put up with any of it.  Which is not to say having those personality characteristics is inherently bad, but seek treatment.  Lort.

Oh, I have a Kindle too but I've never used it for books/reading.  How would I go about getting WR on my Kindle? 

Also, I was always under the impression JFK Jr was a pretty nice guy so I'm intrigued by your comment that he was a jerk and am itching to read more.  

Can you recommend a book about his life/he and Carolyn's life (besides WR) that I might find interesting?

Grazi!!!

[ryebread]

43 minutes ago, VioletHues said:

Oh God. She should take a Twitter break.

She won't.  This is her life now. And I sort of understand her anger if she was fired. I was fired once and I was bitter for a long time. A long time. Had Twitter been available then, I might have gone on a rampage, too. I remember seriously considering egging the bish's car. But I was 19, so....

[ryebread]

46 minutes ago, Persnickety1 said:

Also, I was always under the impression JFK Jr was a pretty nice guy so I'm intrigued by your comment that he was a jerk and am itching to read more.  

Me, too. But who knows. There is a video of him and Carolyn having a terrible fight in Central Park. And she jumped him from behind and just kept going in on him. Toward the end, the video shows him sitting on a curb with his head down, crying? And she just kept going. Maybe he deserved her wrath for something he did. But if the tables were turned and the video was of him attacking her from behind, oy. I was always Team John John after that.

I've also read, that he wasn't the brightest bulb in the box. This, all from staffers on his magazine.  Although, they said he was a good guy to work for. I believe he failed the bar a couple of times and had ADD. All I know for sure, is he was easy on the eyes.

[Martinigirl]

On 8/29/2018 at 12:20 AM, KungFuBunny said:

Okay is this the part where I'm supposed to tell you to unblock yourself?

I totally see Carole tweeting herself something mean so she could reply and say you're now blocked.

Yes, and you have to say PLEASE and beg a little.

[RedDelicious]

1 hour ago, Persnickety1 said:

Oh, I have a Kindle too but I've never used it for books/reading.  How would I go about getting WR on my Kindle? 

Also, I was always under the impression JFK Jr was a pretty nice guy so I'm intrigued by your comment that he was a jerk and am itching to read more.  

Can you recommend a book about his life/he and Carolyn's life (besides WR) that I might find interesting?

Grazi!!!

I read Fairy Tale Interrupted by Rosemarie Terenzio, who was John's assistant.  That was good.  It wasn't terribly illuminating but it was a nice look into their life.  The Other Man is entertaining in that it is so bad and Bergen comes off as a whiny B.  But also an interesting perspective.  I think JJ was a friendly guy for sure, but the jerk part is about him being unreliable and horribly ADD.  Things that drive partners crazy like saying you're going to be home at a certain time and to be ready to go out for dinner and then showing up 3 hours late and dinner plans scrapped without letting the other person know.  Changing plans several times midstream and not letting the other person know.  Forgetting things constantly, and not being empathetic to the frustration of the other person.  That kind of stuff.  He seemed to live life at an extremely frenetic pace and I think Carolyn had a hard time keeping up.  Also I don't think she enjoyed all of the outdoor sports he always wanted to do.  I think they always lived life on his terms, whether he was cognizant of it or not. 

ETA: You need to link your Kindle to your Amazon account, and then you should be able to search for and order books directly from your Kindle.  Labor Day reads!

Edited August 31, 2018 by RedDelicious

[KungFuBunny]

11 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

Yes, and you have to say PLEASE and beg a little.

Why don't I wait a week or 2 and say Marco?

Carole SUX Adam's body parts

[Chalby]

On 10/13/2017 at 8:45 PM, Happy Camper said:

I do love the cut, and would like to see this cut with her natural colour.

Poor Carole, as soon as I see her in the picture I am embarrassed for her because it's clear she is trying to hang on to her youth. To me, she's dressed like my 24 year-old daughter. However, my daughter suits this look, although she too agrees it's more for a teenager than a twenty-something. This whole year was full of wardrobe misses for Carole, when usually she's not too bad. Clearly she's going through a confidence, self-image funk. Maybe she'll sort it out once she's on her own.

[Mindthinkr]

10 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Why don't I wait a week or 2 and say Marco?

Polo

[Martinigirl]

14 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Why don't I wait a week or 2 and say Marco?

Carole SUX Adam's body parts

Two weeks before anyone misses me? ...and you have to point it out.....(insert sad face)

Bet Adam will be out of the picture once Carole has no TV time

Edited August 31, 2018 by Martinigirl

[Chalby]

"If you've expressed your opinion on the Carole and Bethenny break up, it's time to move on.  The horse is dead, the implements are bloody."

Topic Annc - Thanks for today's laugh. As soon as I read your post I thought. "Aww, Come on! That's my favourite horse to flog!" Judging by this topic having 93 pages.. it's everyone's favourite horse. lol

[Persnickety1]

56 minutes ago, ryebread said:

Me, too. But who knows. There is a video of him and Carolyn having a terrible fight in Central Park. And she jumped him from behind and just kept going in on him. Toward the end, the video shows him sitting on a curb with his head down, crying? And she just kept going. Maybe he deserved her wrath for something he did. But if the tables were turned and the video was of him attacking her from behind, oy. I was always Team John John after that.

I've also read, that he wasn't the brightest bulb in the box. This, all from staffers on his magazine.  Although, they said he was a good guy to work for. I believe he failed the bar a couple of times and had ADD. All I know for sure, is he was easy on the eyes.

Oh good lawdy, I could have stared at him all day.  He was probably the only celebrity "crush" I've had throughout my adult life.  

I was devastated when the plane crash happened.  Such a sad and tragic ending.  

I vaguely remember that Central Park incident.  Mother Persnickety was a devout reader of all the weekly tabloids, so I'm pretty sure I saw still photos in one of those.  Now I'm off to Google to see if I can find the video.  

30 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

I read Fairy Tale Interrupted by Rosemarie Terenzio, who was John's assistant.  That was good.  It wasn't terribly illuminating but it was a nice look into their life.  The Other Man is entertaining in that it is so bad and Bergen comes off as a whiny B.  But also an interesting perspective.  I think JJ was a friendly guy for sure, but the jerk part is about him being unreliable and horribly ADD.  Things that drive partners crazy like saying you're going to be home at a certain time and to be ready to go out for dinner and then showing up 3 hours late and dinner plans scrapped without letting the other person know.  Changing plans several times midstream and not letting the other person know.  Forgetting things constantly, and not being empathetic to the frustration of the other person.  That kind of stuff.  He seemed to live life at an extremely frenetic pace and I think Carolyn had a hard time keeping up.  Also I don't think she enjoyed all of the outdoor sports he always wanted to do.  I think they always lived life on his terms, whether he was cognizant of it or not. 

ETA: You need to link your Kindle to your Amazon account, and then you should be able to search for and order books directly from your Kindle.  Labor Day reads!

Thanks so much for the info.  I'm going to check out both of those books.

I noticed yesterday there's a documentary about Jackie and Lee on Netflix, so I'm going to check that out this weekend, too.  

And how nice to know how to use my Kindle for reading other than just using it to bookmark recipes for easy reference!  

[Natalie68]

12 hours ago, ryebread said:

I don't think anyone believes Carole formed a friendship with Cassandra 10 years ago because she knew the husband would be a producer and eventually die so that Carole could take advantage of his widow. LOL Let's face it, Carole isn't that bright. And the psychic that spoke to Carolyn from beyond the grave was a sham who wasn't going to provide any insight about Brad's impending death.

But like you, I think she'd hoped, throughout their friendship, that Brad the mega producer would find the Widow's Guide brilliant enough to option. But for some reason he didn't. Perhaps he recognized that it sucked?

So Brad dies. I can't blame Carole for hoping that his widow will NOW help her get Widow's Guide optioned. They're both widows. If you think about it, it's actually the perfect project.

Thank you!  I was being sarcastic yet I do feel she is opportunistic.  

[KungFuBunny]

36 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

Polo

 

36 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

Two weeks before anyone misses me? ...and you have to point it out.....(insert sad face)

Bet Adam will be out of the picture once Carole has no TV time

I'll start creating extra Twitter accounts and start a  #wheresMG campaign on the Twitterverse, who knew Carole could actually teach me something

Adam has been out of Carole's life for some time - except when there is something in it for him. This entire season we saw him at the marathon (before/after) and with the gift giving of World's Best Nanna Trophy - those were consolation prizes for him - wonder how much she paid him because according to Carole he can't afford to lose his day rate unless he's compensated - maybe new camera equipment. Then she took him to Dubai in May - so there's that

[SweetieDarling]

1 hour ago, ryebread said:

Me, too. But who knows. There is a video of him and Carolyn having a terrible fight in Central Park. And she jumped him from behind and just kept going in on him. Toward the end, the video shows him sitting on a curb with his head down, crying? And she just kept going. Maybe he deserved her wrath for something he did. But if the tables were turned and the video was of him attacking her from behind, oy. I was always Team John John after that.

I've also read, that he wasn't the brightest bulb in the box. This, all from staffers on his magazine.  Although, they said he was a good guy to work for. I believe he failed the bar a couple of times and had ADD. All I know for sure, is he was easy on the eyes.

John-John's butt!

Edited August 31, 2018 by SweetieDarling

[StatisticalOutlier]

15 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

I just don't think anybody gets to judge Carole on the kid thing regardless of what she has said in the past. It's too personal and hits too close to home. I have one friend who is sterile because of childhood treatments and she's claimed all 25 years I've known her that it is a non-issue bc she always knew she couldn't have her own and I know for a fact that is a front. Another person close to me found out they can't produce and it was a devastating blow to them. They went on to have children but with a donor. Still it affects them deep inside because they feel like they let the other person down. 

You just can't say. Carole may have been putting up a front from day one because they knew Anthony couldn't and eventually it became apparent he would die. We just don't know what kind of pain and regret Carole brings around with her. Pain makes you do and say bad things. I do think Carole has a heart (and Bethenny is the fucking Tin Man).

She may have been putting up a front, but she also may have not wanted to reproduce, and have no pain or regret about it.