JD and Abbie: Captured Before the Rapture

[Zella]

2 hours ago, galaxygirl76 said:

Do we know if they are actually there by now? I mean, they claim to have been 'dispatched' but there seems to have been radio silence since which is unusual for these famewhoring grifters that love to show themselves as the white saviors on the 'gram.

My pet theory is they realized they'd have to take a commercial flight to Europe and then got laughed out of the airport. LOLOL 

[Nysha]

On 3/9/2022 at 2:15 PM, sagittarius sue said:

One would think those who are busy on a mission would be so occupied that they wouldn't use their precious time to delete messages and particularly something so insignificant as banning those who only like snarky messages.

And then one would realize these posers have a lot of time on their hands because preparing to dispatch is a lot less time consuming than actually doing something worthwhile to help Ukraine.

[ginger90]

Medic corps post, with video:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca_FdzLJfpL/

The post itself:

 

 

[emmawoodhouse]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

Medic corps post, with video:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca_FdzLJfpL/

Never seen Mr. Morales before. Do we know his credentials?

eta I'm googling, but he's not coming up.

Edited March 12, 2022 by emmawoodhouse

[GeeGolly]

They are training medical staff who have never seen war injuries? And MedicPlay has?

[quarks]

Ok, so from the video:

1. The speaker says he's in Ukraine and is working to identify churches who are willing to store supplies. Which....are there any churches in Ukraine who wouldn't accept supplies at this point?

2. The supplies, however, haven't yet made it to Poland.

3. They are working to get the supplies to Poland and then get them to Ukraine and then to churches in the Ukraine where pastors can come and pick up supplies.

4. There's no indication about exactly where they are in Ukraine - ordinarily I would jump on this, but in this particular case I think that for once, they are being intelligent not to disclose their location or name names. 

5. I also think that it's probably wise to figure out where the supplies need to end up before sending them in, especially under the circumstances. So for once I'll give them credit for doing a bit of scouting ahead.

All this said:

1. The repeated use of "pastor" instead of "priest," along with the images of churches that do not appear to be Orthodox, is making me just a touch twitchy. Most Ukrainian Christians are Orthodox. It looks like this guy is going out of his way to find non-Orthodox Christians to work with. 

They also have some...interesting phrasing there. Specifically "We have found some churches who are willing to partner with us" [my emphasis] "and open up their congregations and their buildings...." Dude. You aren't - or you shouldn't be - trying to set up a new business here. 

2. It also sounds as if they are missing a rather important planning step - getting the supplies to Poland. And unless they are planning on moving said supplies directly from the planes/boats on to the trucks/planes taking said supplies to Ukraine, they also don't seem to have a place in Poland to store said supplies.

3. And again, the idea is for pastors from other villages to come into the churches that this group has "partnered with" to get the supplies and just....you guys are supposedly the emergency experts; why aren't you bringing the supplies out to these other villages?

4. The supplies include blankets and food and "just some other basic needs."

[iwantcookies]

Basically they are useless dimwits who should have stayed home. I don’t see how they will actually help anyone. It’s all about promoting their correct Jesus 🙄

[Cinnabon]

52 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

They are training medical staff who have never seen war injuries? And MedicPlay has?

And in what language? Can anyone from MedicPlay speak Polish, Ukrainian, or Russian?

Edited March 12, 2022 by Cinnabon

[iwantcookies]

11 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

And in what language? Can anyone from MedicPlay speak Polish, Ukrainian, or Russian?

They can barely speak English 🙄

[realityfan26]

I'm shocked they're actually in Ukraine. Trauma related training - is that their code for prayers? I can't imagine they have more training than actual doctors! Maybe I'm not familiar enough with relief organizations, but are more groups doing their own thing better than trying to have a big coordinated effort? Red Cross is there, they must have some supply lines set up. 

Or - have we underestimated Medic corps?

[CalicoKitty]

I am bothered that they are "teaching" the medical staff about injuries.  To my knowledge, none of these guys has gone to medical school.  I'm sure the doctors in the Ukraine know much, much more than Red Cross basic first aid.  Unless they mean they are pulling people out of bombed-out buildings and administrating first aid, which I highly doubt.  They sound much too busy waiting for supplies and finding pastors and churches to partner with to anything else.  This sounds like more of a media ploy than any real help.  I'm surprised that they actually were able to get into the area.
 

[awaken]

I’m very confused how these bumblers would be able to provide trauma training for medical staff, and in the midst of a war. That defies logic. 

[Cinnabon]

5 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

I am bothered that they are "teaching" the medical staff about injuries.  To my knowledge, none of these guys has gone to medical school.  I'm sure the doctors in the Ukraine know much, much more than Red Cross basic first aid.  Unless they mean they are pulling people out of bombed-out buildings and administrating first aid, which I highly doubt.  They sound much too busy waiting for supplies and finding pastors and churches to partner with to anything else.  This sounds like more of a media ploy than any real help.  I'm surprised that they actually were able to get into the area.
 

To my knowledge, none have even graduated from high school.

[Future Cat Lady]

Even if they have some doctors on staff, do any of them have war zone experience? Are they calling hospitals to offer their services? It’s just so weird.

[quarks]

I think at least some of the weirdness is from the rather big discrepancies between the video and the accompanying text.

The video shows Andres Morales, wearing a uniform that identifies him as a "Chief Medical Officer," but doesn't list any specific medical degree. The video shows pictures from what is apparently the Poland/Ukraine border, some people waiting in line, a long line of trucks apparently heading to Poland, more of Andres talking and confirming that the supplies aren't even in Poland yet, but assuring us that he's identified places they can take the supplies to, a picture of makeshift beds on a gymnasium floor, more Andres discussing partnering with churches, a building that I think is a church (there's a cross over a door), more of Andres talking about how pastors can come and pick up the supplies - blankets, food. 

The video doesn't mention or show any hospitals at all, much less any trauma training.

And based just on the video, it doesn't look as if they are pulling anyone out of bombed buildings and administering first aid.

1 hour ago, realityfan26 said:

Maybe I'm not familiar enough with relief organizations, but are more groups doing their own thing better than trying to have a big coordinated effort?

I'm aware of one small Polish group that sprung up to drive refugees from the border or from train stations in Lublin and Krakow to available rooms/destinations, which inspired a couple of groups in Berlin and Prague to do the same thing. 

So I don't think it's always a bad thing. But those groups are doing something pretty limited that's very much within their power, not trying to deliver supplies to Ukraine when they apparently can't even get the supplies to Poland. 

[emmawoodhouse]

56 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

Even if they have some doctors on staff, do any of them have war zone experience? Are they calling hospitals to offer their services? It’s just so weird.

Does ALERT count? 😂

[CalicoKitty]

43 minutes ago, quarks said:

I think at least some of the weirdness is from the rather big discrepancies between the video and the accompanying text.

The video shows Andres Morales, wearing a uniform that identifies him as a "Chief Medical Officer," but doesn't list any specific medical degree. The video shows pictures from what is apparently the Poland/Ukraine border, some people waiting in line, a long line of trucks apparently heading to Poland, more of Andres talking and confirming that the supplies aren't even in Poland yet, but assuring us that he's identified places they can take the supplies to, a picture of makeshift beds on a gymnasium floor, more Andres discussing partnering with churches, a building that I think is a church (there's a cross over a door), more of Andres talking about how pastors can come and pick up the supplies - blankets, food. 

The video doesn't mention or show any hospitals at all, much less any trauma training.

And based just on the video, it doesn't look as if they are pulling anyone out of bombed buildings and administering first aid.

I'm aware of one small Polish group that sprung up to drive refugees from the border or from train stations in Lublin and Krakow to available rooms/destinations, which inspired a couple of groups in Berlin and Prague to do the same thing. 

So I don't think it's always a bad thing. But those groups are doing something pretty limited that's very much within their power, not trying to deliver supplies to Ukraine when they apparently can't even get the supplies to Poland. 

And they are not taking selfies and bragging about it on the internet.

[MsJamieDornan]

56 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

And they are not taking selfies and bragging about it on the internet.

Is there any proof that any Duggers are there ?

[quarks]

6 minutes ago, MsJamieDornan said:

Is there any proof that any Duggers are there ?

It's not at all clear who went to Ukraine other than Andres Morales. 

 

[MsJamieDornan]

2 minutes ago, quarks said:

It's not at all clear who went to Ukraine other than Andres Morales. 

Thanks. I started to get confused when it was mentioned their pretend medic group had doctors. I thought it was just Duggers and Bates.

[emmawoodhouse]

24 minutes ago, MsJamieDornan said:

Thanks. I started to get confused when it was mentioned their pretend medic group had doctors. I thought it was just Duggers and Bates.

We don't know what Morales' credentials really are. Anyone can make up a title and put it on a jacket. I tried to search for him and came up empty.

Edited March 12, 2022 by emmawoodhouse

[GeeGolly]

20 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

We don't know what Andres Morales' credentials really are. Anyone can make up a title and put it on a jacket. I tried to search for him and came up empty.

I found an RN who looks like him. Apparently he's now a full time missionary. In one photo he's wearing a shirt with a Samaritan's Purse logo.

https://m3missions.com/conference-2020/speaker-andres-morales/

[So unbelievable]

These bumpkins can barely "take care of/help" the dozens in the disasters they have gone to.  How are they possibly going to do anything in Poland/Ukraine?  Sad they are just in the way and all they really want to do is shove their religion down their throats.  They are way out of their league.

These refugees deserve nothing but help and I doubt they can even fathom than concept.  

Edited March 12, 2022 by So unbelievable

[crazy8s]

9 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

And in what language? Can anyone from MedicPlay speak Polish, Ukrainian, or Russian?

one of the drs listed on their site was born in Russia so maybe she can speak one of those languages.

as far as the medic fools training drs on treating war injuries, cue up Lawson waving around that Basic First Aid certificate he was so proud of "earning". 🤣

[Dehumidifier]

In a Roman Catholic church the pastor is the head priest, the one who runs the parish. Using the term does not imply that the person is not a priest. Short googling I found several Ukrainian Orthodox churches here in the US that used that term. 

[65mickey]

I just read online that Medic Corp was founded by the Duggars and John David is listed as Director of Business for Medic Corp. This alone makes me suspicious of this organization. Maybe they can be helpful in going to an area where a natural disaster has occurred where they can hand out supplies and remove debris from streets.  But this is a war zone. I am really having a hard time believing anything that they are saying about dispatching to Ukraine.

[MunichNark]

11 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

And in what language? Can anyone from MedicPlay speak Polish, Ukrainian, or Russian?

They don't speak no English either:-)

I refuse to believe those bufoons will be allowed or even able to ever get anywhere near Ukraine, or Poland for that matter. Travel right now isn't the easiest and nobody's waiting for those effing eejits to muck things up

[galaxygirl76]

10 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

To my knowledge, none have even graduated from high school.

But one of them played dentist in the Phillipines, that should count for something! 

[merylinkid]

They aren't there.   There is NO WAY they got into Ukraine and are just moving around trying to find "partners."   Even Doctors without Borders is having trouble keeping their ALREADY IN PLACE operations going.   No way these churches are going to team up with some randos who just show up and offer supplies.   

They made the big announcement, then realized they can't just fly to Poland and take a big tour bus into Ukraine, but they are getting "donations" (god people are idiots if they give these families one red cent) so they have to claim they are doing something.   But no way they are there.   

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, merylinkid said:

They aren't there.   There is NO WAY they got into Ukraine and are just moving around trying to find "partners."   Even Doctors without Borders is having trouble keeping their ALREADY IN PLACE operations going.   No way these churches are going to team up with some randos who just show up and offer supplies.   

They made the big announcement, then realized they can't just fly to Poland and take a big tour bus into Ukraine, but they are getting "donations" (god people are idiots if they give these families one red cent) so they have to claim they are doing something.   But no way they are there.   

According to the video they posted, they are in Ukraine.

[quarks]

1 hour ago, Dehumidifier said:

In a Roman Catholic church the pastor is the head priest, the one who runs the parish. Using the term does not imply that the person is not a priest. Short googling I found several Ukrainian Orthodox churches here in the US that used that term. 

Fair enough, but these guys have made previous statements against Orthodox and Catholic churches, and the one picture of a church that they've posted does not look like an Orthodox or Catholic church. (In fact it looks like a building originally built as housing, and then repurposed as a church - which is pretty usual for Protestant sects; a little less usual for Orthodox/Catholic sects.) 

From the way "pastor" is used in the video, I think this is less a reference to Ukrainian Orthodox clergy, and more an attempt to reassure people that not only is the money absolutely, positively, going to supplies that will - eventually! - reach Ukrainians, but once there, the supplies/money will only be handled by the "right" sort of Christians. Thus the picture of a very plain, largely undecorated church.

17 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

They aren't there.   There is NO WAY they got into Ukraine and are just moving around trying to find "partners."   Even Doctors without Borders is having trouble keeping their ALREADY IN PLACE operations going.   No way these churches are going to team up with some randos who just show up and offer supplies.   

They made the big announcement, then realized they can't just fly to Poland and take a big tour bus into Ukraine, but they are getting "donations" (god people are idiots if they give these families one red cent) so they have to claim they are doing something.   But no way they are there.   

I think a couple of them are physically in Ukraine - that picture of the beds in the gymnasium wasn't taken by a professional, and looks authentic. Ukraine apparently is letting people into the country and even offering citizenship to those who agree to fight  on the Ukrainian side - not wander around taking pictures, fight. 

What isn't physically in Ukraine are the actual supplies - which means that whatever they are or aren't doing, it doesn't include distributing supplies.

I also don't think they are in a current war zone - although of course that could easily change by the time I finish typing this post. From what I understand, the bulk of the fighting is in the east and south of Ukraine. They appear to be somewhere in the north/east part of Ukraine. And the video indicates that Andres, at least, is expecting pastors to come to them for supplies - which doesn't suggest that they plan to head to those war zones and hand out blankets or whatever.

All that said, I agree that numerous organizations are reporting having significant problems working in Ukraine and getting supplies to people in need. I think that if and when the supplies make it to Poland, this group is going to struggle to get them to Ukrainians. 

 

[farmgal4]

13 hours ago, quarks said:

Ok, so from the video:

1. The speaker says he's in Ukraine and is working to identify churches who are willing to store supplies. Which....are there any churches in Ukraine who wouldn't accept supplies at this point?

2. The supplies, however, haven't yet made it to Poland.

3. They are working to get the supplies to Poland and then get them to Ukraine and then to churches in the Ukraine where pastors can come and pick up supplies.

4. There's no indication about exactly where they are in Ukraine - ordinarily I would jump on this, but in this particular case I think that for once, they are being intelligent not to disclose their location or name names. 

5. I also think that it's probably wise to figure out where the supplies need to end up before sending them in, especially under the circumstances. So for once I'll give them credit for doing a bit of scouting ahead.

All this said:

1. The repeated use of "pastor" instead of "priest," along with the images of churches that do not appear to be Orthodox, is making me just a touch twitchy. Most Ukrainian Christians are Orthodox. It looks like this guy is going out of his way to find non-Orthodox Christians to work with. 

They also have some...interesting phrasing there. Specifically "We have found some churches who are willing to partner with us" [my emphasis] "and open up their congregations and their buildings...." Dude. You aren't - or you shouldn't be - trying to set up a new business here. 

2. It also sounds as if they are missing a rather important planning step - getting the supplies to Poland. And unless they are planning on moving said supplies directly from the planes/boats on to the trucks/planes taking said supplies to Ukraine, they also don't seem to have a place in Poland to store said supplies.

3. And again, the idea is for pastors from other villages to come into the churches that this group has "partnered with" to get the supplies and just....you guys are supposedly the emergency experts; why aren't you bringing the supplies out to these other villages?

4. The supplies include blankets and food and "just some other basic needs."

They’re a joke waiting for an ego stoke.

[Lisa418722]

Well I have been blocked on Instagram by Medic Corps.  They (or Jana) have a lot of time to go through and see who likes comments they don't agree with because I didn't post anything, I just liked a couple of snarky comments.  

[Rootbeer]

13 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

And they are not taking selfies and bragging about it on the internet.

Most of the images shown seemed like stock footage probably available online from various news agencies.

If the ER physicians who are part of Medic Corps are there, they would have some trauma training.  If one or more of them actually served in Afghanistan, I'd be shocked, but it would give them someone with specific training in war injuries.  However, these guys wouldn't know any more about trauma that the typical Ukrainian ER doc, so unless there is a huge shortage of those, I don't see the point.  Then, from the video, it appears that these guys are not working with the Red Cross or Doctors without Borders or any other group that might be specifically providing medical care outside of the regular healthcare system, but coordinating with them.

Since it doesn't look like they have access to medical facilities, I presume they are talking about providing first aid at the various churches, etc which is probably not a bad idea.  Let them show off their basic first aid training to non-medical locals, that could be helpful as could supplying stuff like bandages and antiseptics, etc.

In the field, they certainly won't be flying anywhere unless they'd like to see a Russian MIG up close and personal.  They'd need some sort of vehicle to serve as an ambulance with at least the ability to provide IV fluids and oxygen and transport victims to a hospital, which, I suppose somebody from one of their churches might be able to provide.  Of course, they'd also need gasoline and tires and parts should it break down and that could be problematic.

Since it looks like they are only seeking to deal with fundamentalist churches, which must be a very small number in Ukraine, I expect that what they will do is fill a church basement with cots and blankets and serve hot coffee and donuts or something.  The guys will go out and 'rescue' people and bring them back to the church with promises of a hot meal, flashlights and aspirin or some such and then the pastor will step up to the pulpit and tell them they are all sinners and that's why God sent the Russians to kill them and they'd better repent and find the 'right' Jesus pronto.  Just because the Ukrainian Orthodox church is thousands of years old, can trace itself back to the actual Jesus and has been the faith of generations for two millenia; doesn't mean they don't need saved, after all.

Edited March 12, 2022 by Rootbeer

[Cinnabon]

11 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

We don't know what Morales' credentials really are. Anyone can make up a title and put it on a jacket. I tried to search for him and came up empty.

Wouldn’t you think they’d put his credentials on their website? It’s shady that they haven’t done so.

[Rootbeer]

3 hours ago, quarks said:

 

I think a couple of them are physically in Ukraine - that picture of the beds in the gymnasium wasn't taken by a professional, and looks authentic. Ukraine apparently is letting people into the country and even offering citizenship to those who agree to fight  on the Ukrainian side - not wander around taking pictures, fight. 

I read online that over 6000 Americans have contacted the Ukrainian Embassy here in the US volunteering to fight and only about 100 were accepted.  I presume this is because they don't have the time or ability to train them, so they're only taking people with actual combat experience.

That being the case, I find it hard to believe that Medic Corps is going to be approved by the Ukrainian government to help with supplies or medical care.  This would be why they are plugging the churches that they have lined up to help them.  It probably is also not in their favor that, on their very own website, Medic Corps makes it clear that there is no free lunch with them; they are going to spread the Gospel and any aid they provide is secondary to that.  

Edited March 12, 2022 by Rootbeer

[Rootbeer]

1 minute ago, Cinnabon said:

Wouldn’t you think they’d put his credentials on their website? It’s shady that they haven’t done so.

He is listed as an RN with a BSN from Penn State on the other mission website.  It also says he graduated in 2014 and worked as a nurse in a pediatric intensive care unit before leaving to go into full time ministry.  So, he has fewer than 8 years of experience in nursing, probably a lot less and his experience is in ICU work which is not what Medic Corps is going to be providing.  He can probably start an IV and do CPR on little kids which could come in handy in some cases, but his experience has got to be very limited.

[Cinnabon]

55 minutes ago, Lisa418722 said:

Well I have been blocked on Instagram by Medic Corps.  They (or Jana) have a lot of time to go through and see who likes comments they don't agree with because I didn't post anything, I just liked a couple of snarky comments.  

But they’re such legitimate professionals! /s

[Cinnabon]

42 minutes ago, Rootbeer said:

I read online that over 6000 Americans have contacted the Ukrainian Embassy here in the US volunteering to fight and only about 100 were accepted.  I presume this is because they don't have the time or ability to train them, so they're only taking people with actual combat experience.

That being the case, I find it hard to believe that Medic Corps is going to be approved by the Ukrainian government to help with supplies or medical care.  This would be why they are plugging the churches that they have lined up to help them.  It probably is also not in their favor that, one their very website, Medic Corps makes it clear that there is no free lunch with them; they are going to spread the Gospel and any aid they provide is secondary to that.  

Spread their gospel in English, apparently. 🤣

Edited March 12, 2022 by Cinnabon

[MunichNark]

1 hour ago, Lisa418722 said:

Well I have been blocked on Instagram by Medic Corps.  They (or Jana) have a lot of time to go through and see who likes comments they don't agree with because I didn't post anything, I just liked a couple of snarky comments.  

THAT is a true snarker’s badge of honour!

Edited March 12, 2022 by MunichNark

[Cinnabon]

If they only want to “partner” with fundamentalist churches, won’t they simply be preaching to the choir? How will they spread their “word “ to any others?

[quarks]

30 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Wouldn’t you think they’d put his credentials on their website? It’s shady that they haven’t done so.

I find it strange that they haven't put his credentials on his uniform - if only for safety reasons.

29 minutes ago, Rootbeer said:

I read online that over 6000 Americans have contacted the Ukrainian Embassy here in the US volunteering to fight and only about 100 were accepted.  I presume this is because they don't have the time or ability to train them, so they're only taking people with actual combat experience.

That being the case, I find it hard to believe that Medic Corps is going to be approved by the Ukrainian government to help with supplies or medical care.  This would be why they are plugging the churches that they have lined up to help them.  It probably is also not in their favor that, on their very own website, Medic Corps makes it clear that there is no free lunch with them; they are going to spread the Gospel and any aid they provide is secondary to that.  

(nods)

Right. Medic Corps noticeably haven't mentioned the Ukrainian government even once in any of their postings/videos. It's not clear if they've even contacted any official Ukrainian authorities. And it doesn't seem that they've contacted the Ukrainian army, either, as potential soldiers or medics. So I doubt they have any official approval to be there.

My point was more that it doesn't seem that anyone - other than apparently the Belarussian government - is trying to keep people from crossing the western/northern borders into Ukraine, The governments of Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Moldova are focusing on trying to help people who are trying to get out, and the Ukrainian government has other urgent things to focus on right now. So I can readily believe that a couple of Medic Corps people flew into Poland, rented or purchased some sort of vehicle, and are now driving around Ukraine not doing anything particularly useful - while using up gas and other supplies which could be useful.

5 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

If they only want to “partner” with fundamentalist churches, won’t they simply be preaching to the choir? How will they spread their “word “ to any others?

 

I think the hope is that desperate folks will come to the fundamentalist pastors for needed supplies, which will in turn give the pastors a chance to convert people?

Which I don't think will work if the supplies never get to Ukraine. 

[GeeGolly]

Ukraine is not much larger than the size of Texas. Those fools are going to end up on someone else's gurney. They need to get the fuck out.

[Rootbeer]

2 hours ago, quarks said:

 

My point was more that it doesn't seem that anyone - other than apparently the Belarussian government - is trying to keep people from crossing the western/northern borders into Ukraine, The governments of Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Moldova are focusing on trying to help people who are trying to get out, and the Ukrainian government has other urgent things to focus on right now. So I can readily believe that a couple of Medic Corps people flew into Poland, rented or purchased some sort of vehicle, and are now driving around Ukraine not doing anything particularly useful - while using up gas and other supplies which could be useful.

 

I think the hope is that desperate folks will come to the fundamentalist pastors for needed supplies, which will in turn give the pastors a chance to convert people?

Which I don't think will work if the supplies never get to Ukraine. 

I agree, they can probably get into Ukraine fairly easily, presuming they can walk or find a vehicle.  They can even take a train to some areas.  Those trains bringing refugees to the border are also bringing supplies back into Ukraine and a lot of Ukrainian men who have been living elsewhere in Europe are returning to fight via those trains.

The US State Department has issued a strong warning to Americans advising against any and all travel to Ukraine and actually providing information to any Americans currently in Ukraine who they are advising to leave ASAP.  The US consulate has set up mini-consulates in tents at a couple of the border crossings into Poland to assist Americans who need help getting out of the area.  'they also remind people that the US government cannot and will not be able to help them within Ukraine's borders should they encounter problems.

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 think the hope is that desperate folks will come to the fundamentalist pastors for needed supplies, which will in turn give the pastors a chance to convert people?

I think that's the idea.  They figure they can advertise all the wonderful things they can do for the people, bring them to the churches for assistance and then have the preacher start evangelizing them.  I expect there are quite a few people there who need a safe, warm place to stay or a hot meal or some blankets or flashlights or whatever who would be willing to go to the fundy church down the road if they thought they could get them there.  

Edited March 12, 2022 by Rootbeer

[quarks]

2 hours ago, Rootbeer said:

The US State Department has issued a strong warning to Americans advising against any and all travel to Ukraine and actually providing information to any Americans currently in Ukraine who they are advising to leave ASAP.  The US consulate has set up mini-consulates in tents at a couple of the border crossings into Poland to assist Americans who need help getting out of the area.  'they also remind people that the US government cannot and will not be able to help them within Ukraine's borders should they encounter problems.

And the reality is, there's a non-zero chance that if they stay in Ukraine, they are going to encounter problems - even if they try to stay out of war zones. 

Which is one of many reasons why I'm going to guess this will not be a long term effort. 

 

2 hours ago, Rootbeer said:

I expect there are quite a few people there who need a safe, warm place to stay or a hot meal or some blankets or flashlights or whatever who would be willing to go to the fundy church down the road if they thought they could get them there.  

Absolutely.

But that requires actually getting the supplies into Ukraine, and so far, they don't seem even able to get them to Poland.  Not exactly filling me with a lot of confidence in their mission. 

[Zella]

Their supplies being stuck in another country makes me think they're about as logistically inept as the Russian army. 

[emmawoodhouse]

3 minutes ago, Zella said:

Their supplies being stuck in another country makes me think they're about as logistically inept as the Russian army. 

Not to mention, we don't even know what kind of supplies they've amassed or in what quantity. It's not like they're rolling in donor cash.

[Cinnabon]

12 minutes ago, quarks said:

And the reality is, there's a non-zero chance that if they stay in Ukraine, they are going to encounter problems - even if they try to stay out of war zones. 

Which is one of many reasons why I'm going to guess this will not be a long term effort. 

 

Absolutely.

But that requires actually getting the supplies into Ukraine, and so far, they don't seem even able to get them to Poland.  Not exactly filling me with a lot of confidence in their mission. 

Nothing they’ve done has been a long term effort. They won’t stick it out.

[awaken]

8 hours ago, Lisa418722 said:

Well I have been blocked on Instagram by Medic Corps.  They (or Jana) have a lot of time to go through and see who likes comments they don't agree with because I didn't post anything, I just liked a couple of snarky comments.  

Ha, I bet I’m blocked too. I posted a couple snarky comments. 

[Rootbeer]

11 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Not to mention, we don't even know what kind of supplies they've amassed or in what quantity. It's not like they're rolling in donor cash.

What they are rolling in most likely is donor Bibles, probably in English.  I would expect that a large portion of the 'supplies' they want to bring into Ukraine are religious tracts of some sort.  It would make a little sense if these were in Ukrainian or even Russian, which many Ukrainians can speak and read, but I'm not sure they've had the time to get that together.  I am sure the locals will be so relieved to have access to an unlimited number of KJV's in English, what more could they possibly need?

Edited March 13, 2022 by Rootbeer