S10.E20: Reunion Part 1

[bichonblitz]

I'm surprised at the Bethenny love.  She was horrible to Carole all season, to her face and in her TH's. Carole wasn't going to take her shit anymore so she fought back. What else was she supposed to do? Lick her ass the way Sonja does? B was a miserable, hateful mess in Colombia. If she wasn't crying she was just being a bitch. The only reason she's nice to Sonja right now is because Sonja is the only one left on the show to cling to. Bethenny is loyal to nobody. She deserves a gang up. Keep it coming in Part 2. 

Edited August 23, 2018 by bichonblitz

[Mozelle]

1 minute ago, bichonblitz said:

I'm surprised at the Bethenny love.  She was horrible to Carole all season, to her face and in her TH's. She was a miserable, hateful mess in Colombia. If she wasn't crying she was just being a bitch. The only reason she's nice to Sonja right now is because Sonja is the only one left on the show to cling to. She deserves a gang up. Keep it coming in Part 2. 

I only just saw the part 2 preview clip on YouTube and thoroughly chortled when Carole told Andy that he's full of shit. Because she told not one lie--Andy is full of shit.

[hoodooznoodooz]

I enjoyed Tinsley’s, “I can do this [hair] myself... I mean, I didn’t do this myself, but I can.”

[MJS]

5 minutes ago, Mozelle said:

I only just saw the part 2 preview clip on YouTube and thoroughly chortled when Carole told Andy that he's full of shit. Because she told not one lie--Andy is full of shit.

So Carole didn’t bash Bethenny on the show? Because it sure seemed like she did to me...

[itsadryheat]

7 minutes ago, 12momine said:

I’m not sayin’ she’s a drunk but she sure is mean when she’s drunk.  Almost every time she got drunk on the show she got ugly and mean drunk. 

Her drunkenness used to be obnoxious, but funny. I can't remember the last time was she was anywhere close to funny. Really, stabbing yourself Dorinda?

[njbchlover]

29 minutes ago, LilaFowler said:

If Bethenny returns next season (and I think she will and she'll negotiate a huge salary increase to do so), she will find herself in another season-long feud with Dorinda and Ramona. She and Lu and Sonja will just freeze them out as much as humanly possible, though. Tinsley is a non-entity and brings nothing to the show, really... she should go to Friend status if she's asked back at all.

 

I was reading something about whether Bethenny will return next season or not (rumor has it that she hasn't signed her renewal contract yet, and they usually start filming soon after Labor Day - of course, this could all be gossip, speculation and unconfirmed reporting), and I'm kind of on the fence about it.  We've seen Bethenny in the throes of emotional upheaval in past seasons - I don't know if I can handle another season of her being a weeping, emotional, breaking down at every sideways glance, hot mess.

I also think that if she does return, the other women will be kinder and more gentle with her, given what has happened with Dennis, and that Carole will not be around to spearhead any mean girl behaviors.  

Without Carole, Bethenny will have Sonja and Luann firmly on her side, as evidenced in this season.  Tinsley plays at being Switzerland very well, and Dorinda will be forgiving.  Ramona will, of course, be Ramona, but even she, I think, will tread lightly.  Who knows who they will get to replace Carole (if they decide to), but that person will be too new to come gunning for Bethenny in her first season.

Edited August 23, 2018 by njbchlover

[ancslove]

The good news is that Dorinda's bruise-like highlighter just killed my curiosity about colored, space-age highlighters!  Yay, money saved!

The Dream Team just seems to be collectively deliberately obtuse.  Bethenny mocks everyone and everything in her THs, and that's a legitimate gripe - it gets old to be constantly being made fun of, even if the intention is fairly neutral or even good-natured teasing.  But comparing that kind of mockery to Ramona's own confrontations with Bethenny is just lop-sided.   And the thing with Dorinda's drinking at the end was awful.  Yes, they can all tell the difference between drinking and being drunk and being *a* drunk.  

The thing with Bethenny is that, at her best, she just calmly accepts whatever accusations they throw at her.  Yes, Heather, she's a know-it-all.  Yes, she's a bitch.  Yes, she's a labeler (and personally, I don't even see why that's such a horrible thing).  And she basically says, "So what?".  

But, if I were Bethenny, I'd be downright pissed at Luann for chickening out of this ordeal.

[Gem 10]

1 hour ago, wheresmypizza said:

Poor Ramona. She actually was managing to go toe to toe with Bethenny for a bit, for once. Then she had to go and punctuate it with the fake tits line. She's just a total spaz.

Carole really thought she was the Carrie Bradshaw this season, didn't she. New 'do, new décor, new clothes. She got the first clip in the credits, with the oh so uptown hailing of the cab. She's so cool and nonchalant with the much younger boyfriend and the 'deadlines shmedlines' attitude. So big for our britches, weren't we?

She may have thought herself as sharp and trendy like a Carrie, but came off ridiculous with the pajamas in the restaurant and weird clothes that were out of place for her age.  

[Bronzedog]

To me, the most obnoxious part of the reunion, and, there were plenty of obnoxious moments, was Ramoaner asking someone to move her purse and water for her.  How is it even possible to become that entitled?  Move your own water and purse, bitch.

[PradaKitty]

Oh dear god, these women are exhausting. 

[Coffeewinewater]

3 hours ago, Chicklet said:

"And you have fake tits" LOL Ramona is insane, as the owner of fake tits her ownself. "And you got yours at 30". Is Ramona an alien and doesn't understand any of this?

Even her dream team were like , huh wtf?

[Thumper]

1 minute ago, PradaKitty said:

Oh dear god, these women are exhausting. 

Yes.  And Andy loves it.  ??

[mbaywife123]

3 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

To me, the most obnoxious part of the reunion, and, there were plenty of obnoxious moments, was Ramoaner asking someone to move her purse and water for her.  How is it even possible to become that entitled?  Move your own water and purse, bitch.

I would have told her that those two things on the ends of your arms are called hands, figure out how to use them yourself!

[Coffeewinewater]

3 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Dorinda too. They are both so nasty.

They were feeding off each others nastiness. 

I'm not even a huge Bethany fan but that was some crazy shit. They went in with a plan to go in on Bethany.  And it only made them look worse.

Edited August 23, 2018 by Coffeewinewater

[knitta please]

So, Carole, Dorinda, and Ramona were all over Bethenny for being filmed at the funeral, yet they were pissy about her not thanking Dorinda for the GD nutcracker on film?  

They can't have it both ways. 

Dorinda is a drunk. Full stop. I 100% believe that she gets up in the morning and has a Bloody Mary to bridge the hangover from the previous night's slurring binge. She is clearly struggling with something and is self-medicating with alcohol. Which is no excuse for her behaviour and the words she speaks. Her vicious reaction to being told she is "turning" and then the demand for clarification over whether Bethenny said she was a drunk or that she was drunk just smacks of textbook denial. I've seen enough episodes of Intervention to know what's going on with her behaviour.

Carole is such a Bitter Betty. It is not a good look on anyone, much less someone who is already struggling in the looks department. People who engage in revisionist history despite being filmed make me laugh. She has really shot herself in the foot. And she puts her own outfits together. I'm shocked. Just shocked.

[Bronzedog]

What would be great is if next week Carole says Andy is full of shit, Andy responds, and, Carole quits on camera.   One can hope.

[Coffeewinewater]

37 minutes ago, 12momine said:

I’m not sayin’ she’s a drunk but she sure is mean when she’s drunk.  Almost every time she got drunk on the show she got ugly and mean drunk. 

I couldn't watch myself on those clips and not want to climb under the couch. I'd be so damn embarrassed.  If I was Dorinda I'd opt out of drinking on camera.  Just not to look like a drunken fool every episode.  It definitely helped Sonja.  

Edited August 23, 2018 by Coffeewinewater

[Mrs peel]

11 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I enjoyed Tinsley’s, “I can do this [hair] myself... I mean, I didn’t do this myself, but I can.”

Because it appeared to be a wig, something was way off with the ends.

i stand by my comment based on the preview clips that most didn’t look great.  I did like B’s dress, but not on her.  Will she ever learn her breasts shouldn’t be shown?  Not a good boob job.  Shocked she hasn’t had it fixed.  Hated Carole’s dress, liked Ramona’s but not on her.  Tinsley probably had the best dress.  Sonja was trying too hard again with the dress so short and the 3/4 done hair (why did the back of her hair look undone).

very bad attempts to go after B.  Andy as usual biased, though he did include the clip of B destroying Sonja (not without cause).  The clip of Ramona and B seems to show Ramona is right, B is still alone and (leaving Dennis out) she has destroyed all her relationships with men.

B claiming all of Ramona’s businesses fail ignores that she had been successful.  The other women weren’t wrong when they commented on the many skinny girl items that failed.  Sonja chiming in to back up B was just stupid.  She is SO up B’s ass that it’s embarrassing.

next year, B won’t be able to maintain the “friendship” with Sonja and Luann, she’s not capable of doing that.  And seriously, Sonja would work anyone’s last nerve.  Sonja is certainly working my last nerve with the mimicking everything B says.  She looks like a bobble head doll.

dorinda should have quit while she was ahead on the drunk thing.  B clearly didn’t want to say Dorinda has a drinking problem (and she seems to think that’s true), but Andy wouldn’t let it go.  And Dorinda, you have a drinking problem.  You weren’t drinking because your daughter moved out.

this has been painful to watch, thank god I started late and read everyone’s comments - I turned the volume down!

Edited August 23, 2018 by Mrs peel
Gotta love autocorrect “Tinseltown” instead of tinsley.

[mbaywife123]

For Carole's next fashion moment she will be wearing a garbage bag with a black and orange nylon rope twist belt ,tissue box flats as shoes and a paper clip chain necklace and earring ensemble. She is edgy that way.

[amypdx]

3 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Oh my God, Tinsley and Ramona's fake blond is so horrible.

That is a seriously terrible highlight job on Tins - and I bet she paid a fortune for it. Dorinda’s wig - no comment. 

[Neeners]

I don't like Bethenny, but unfortunately I hate a gang up even more. Screw you, show, for making me feel protective of that b.

[Miss Slay]

Ummmm...I thought Andy was supposed to be neutral? Carol probably got canned for saying Andy was full of shit... (in next week's preview)

And wow, did he get testy when Ramona brought up Bethenny filming at Bobby's funeral. It seems that quite a few of the ladies agreed (Carol and Dorinda) that a funeral might have been the best moment for Bethenny and Jill to make up on camera. He did not like them saying that at all. He should have let Bethenny respond. Deep down, he probably knows it was tacky. Jill and Bethenny could have met another time and filmed the exact same thing.

[Coffeewinewater]

5 minutes ago, knitta please said:

So, Carole, Dorinda, and Ramona were all over Bethenny for being filmed at the funeral, yet they were pissy about her not thanking Dorinda for the GD nutcracker on film?  

They can't have it both ways. 

Dorinda is a drunk. Full stop. I 100% believe that she gets up in the morning and has a Bloody Mary to bridge the hangover from the previous night's slurring binge. She is clearly struggling with something and is self-medicating with alcohol. Which is no excuse for her behaviour and the words she speaks. Her vicious reaction to being told she is "turning" and then the demand for clarification over whether Bethenny said she was a drunk or that she was drunk just smacks of textbook denial. I've seen enough episodes of Intervention to know what's going on with her behaviour.

Carole is such a Bitter Betty. It is not a good look on anyone, much less someone who is already struggling in the looks department. People who engage in revisionist history despite being filmed make me laugh. She has really shot herself in the foot. And she puts her own outfits together. I'm shocked. Just shocked.

I was stressed about a few thing in the last few months and I would have a few glasses of wine at night,  pretty soon it became a  bottle every night.  My husband started to comment on it at first I was meh whatever then I became defensive like really itching for an argument about anything I felt was any comment regarding my drinking.  Let's just say I woke up and decided to take a break. I haven't had a drop in about a month. I feel great. I'm sure I'll have a drink again eventually but for now I'm good. I don't think I have a problem but I let it become a habit that I relied on. Sorry for the TMI. Your point about Dorinda makes sense to me she knows she's getting out of control and feels defensive.  

[hottesthw]

Bethenny got exactly what she deserved. I don't care how silly they looked, I'm just glad the others came together to let her know her meanness isn't appreciated and they're sick of it. Andy looked like a bitch kissing her ass.

Knowing what happened to her fake fiance recently I also can't sit and listen to B lecture or judge anyone for their possible alcohol addiction. He didn't die in a one time fluke accident and I don't believe for a minute she wasn't aware, so keep your holier than thou diagnosis to yourself.

Bethenny should be careful the others don't start dropping out  like Carole . She had a show all to herself once before and we all know how that turned out. Viewers like myself might be getting sick of watching the mean girl Bethenny show again and might tune out for good . Pay attention Andy!!!

[breezy424]

5 minutes ago, Miss Slay said:

Ummmm...I thought Andy was supposed to be neutral? Carol probably got canned for saying Andy was full of shit... (in next week's preview)

And wow, did he get testy when Ramona brought up Bethenny filming at Bobby's funeral. It seems that quite a few of the ladies agreed (Carol and Dorinda) that a funeral might have been the best moment for Bethenny and Jill to make up on camera. He did not like them saying that at all. He should have let Bethenny respond. Deep down, he probably knows it was tacky. Jill and Bethenny could have met another time and filmed the exact same thing.

Agree except on Carole getting canned.  I think she is totally over it and doesn't 'need' to put up with the bs of Beth and Andy.

[Ms Blue Jay]

Andy Cohen has zero integrity and lives so far up Bethenny's ass.  Sonja just wants to sublet.  

Sonja was SUCH an asshole to Ramona.  Every time Ramona tried to make a point towards Bethenny Sonja would say the snarkiest asshole remarks under her breath to disagree.  If I was Ramona I would never speak to Sonja again.  

Andy:  Let's talk about the Nutcracker.  (Everyone talks at once; Dorinda doesn't get to state her case.)
Andy:  NOW I WANT TO HEAR BETHENNY SPEAK.  LET HER FUCKING SPEAK EVERYONE.

Wow Andy, how does her butt taste?  Seriously?  Notice how Bethenny got to have the last, incredibly smug word before commercial breaks?!  

I respect Carole so much more after today.  And I've never not once been a Carole fan.

Edited August 23, 2018 by Ms Blue Jay

[hoodooznoodooz]

Did Beth take a Valium?

[breezy424]

So will Andy bring up Beth's show with Fredrick?  Nope.  So much for the 'star'.  It did happen to air at the same time as RHNY.  Another proof that Beth is not a ratings magnet. 

[ShawnaLanne]

1 hour ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Did Dorinda have adhesive tape under her eye while they were applying makeup?

Is that what it was? It looked like a band aid to me. I was hoping someone could explain what the heck it might be for.

[njbchlover]

8 minutes ago, Miss Slay said:

Ummmm...I thought Andy was supposed to be neutral? Carol probably got canned for saying Andy was full of shit... (in next week's preview)

And wow, did he get testy when Ramona brought up Bethenny filming at Bobby's funeral. It seems that quite a few of the ladies agreed (Carol and Dorinda) that a funeral might have been the best moment for Bethenny and Jill to make up on camera. He did not like them saying that at all. He should have let Bethenny respond. Deep down, he probably knows it was tacky. Jill and Bethenny could have met another time and filmed the exact same thing.

I found it interesting when he said he was glad that Bethenny got out the car to talk to Jill while the cameras were going, because HE wanted to see it.  I mean, if you want to see Jill, why didn't Andy go to the funeral himself to pay his respects to Bobby?  Reason 1 - because Andy is a misogynistic voyeur, and he was hoping for some kind of fireworks between Bethenny and Jill.

[ShawnaLanne]

58 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Why did Andy call Sonja Betty Rubble?

I thought it was the hair.

[Ms Blue Jay]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

So Carole didn’t bash Bethenny on the show? Because it sure seemed like she did to me...

Fine, but has Andy defended ANY of the Housewives besides Bethenny?  He's full of shit because all he does is eat Bethenny's all day.

Housewives:  It's tacky to bring a camera to a funeral.
Andy:  NUH UH.  IT'S REALLY GOOD.  I'M GLAD I DID IT.  IT'S GREAT.

Holy shit, Andy.  

I'm really surprised now, that some people viewed it as a gang up!  I viewed it as "Andy Cohen Presents: The Real Bethenny of Bethenny."  Only Bethenny gets to speak without being interrupted, and Andy screams AND SWEARS at all of the (other) Housewives to let Bethenny speak.  Honestly, my breath was taken away.  It is insane, the bias on this show!

Edited August 23, 2018 by Ms Blue Jay

[bagger]

I don’t know when Carole and Dorinda became the gate keepers of good taste about cameras at a funeral? Did we not witness Carole pick up the ashes of her dead husband? According to them shouldn’t that have been a private moment? Was it necessary for me to see Carole caressing Anthony’s urn? Was it in good taste for Dorinda to bring Bravo and Carole along to the anniversary or birthday memorial of her beloved Richard? Oh where Hannah sang or recited some poem she wrote for her dead beloved step father?

Take several seats BECs. nothing about these shows is in good taste, that’s why we watch! Dorinda would have popped a vein to be asked to film with Jill and Bethenny that day. I don’t even want to think about what Ramona would have given up to Andy to be included or FEATURED the way that Bethenny was during Bawby’s funeral. 

Bitch! Sit down!

Edited August 23, 2018 by bagger

[RedheadZombie]

4 hours ago, QuinnM said:

Man, they really did coming for Bethenny.  At first I thought it was Andy favoring Bethenny but now I think he’s mostly pissed at Carole.  I wonder what she did before the reunion.

Stopped kissing Beth's ass?  

[ShawnaLanne]

The juice in the Bobby funeral isn't that Andy wanted it filmed or that Bethenny agree'd to film. It's that Jill Zarin asked for it to be filmed. If anyone has a moral problem with people filming a funeral for a TV show, that would be the first thing they'd go for. You would think. Neither Bethenny nor Andy did anything wrong in agreeing, the widow asked for it, they agree'd. 

Also, neither Ramona, Miss I hate you Bethenny, but why didn't you attend my fake business party because I get more air time, nor Dorinda, Miss, You didn't think me on air, would have turned that down. They are jealous and bitter. 

Edited August 23, 2018 by ShawnaLanne

[DelicateDee]

 Well, that hour went by fast! They are already 6 pages of comments and I think I already liked about 50 of them.  LOL!

Wow, they are sure piling it on Bethenny!  So far though, B's been keeping it cool.  She sure put Carole in her place "we'll call you when we need you" - Hahaha!  These women, though, all have the syndrome of not being able to see the log in their own eye while pointedly telling someone else about the straw in theirs.  It's really amazing, especially Ramoana.  Girl, you need to quit it!  Talking about you never say/said any mean things to Bethenny.  Then they show all the low down stuff you said.  Really, Girl!  Wow, wow, wow, just wow!  But at least she did say those things to her face, unlike the mumbling, side swiping, blog writing, two faced Radzigirl who says things under her breath and tells the other grown women before they sit down, "I got your back and I got your back and I got your back".  Dream Team.  WTH!  More like Mean Team.  How old is she again?

Well, can't wait for next week!  Oh, was it addressed why Ramoana's face was bruised (I know, Anti-skin care), but for real.  I thought Dorinda's face looked a little bruised also, the left cheek, as well as the upper part of her left arm.  Or she just had too much bronzer on.  

[bagger]

4 minutes ago, DelicateDee said:

 

  I thought Dorinda's face looked a little bruised also, the left cheek, as well as the upper part of her left arm.  Or she just had too much bronzer on.  

I’m thinking drunken brawl

[hoodooznoodooz]

34 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

I thought it was the hair.

I thought Sonja’s hair looked more like Wilma Flintstone’s.

[ShawnaLanne]

Just now, hoodooznoodooz said:

I thought Sonja’s hair looked more like Wilma Flintstone’s.

Me too, but Andy can't give her the Alpha title even in a pop cartoon reference.

[archer1267]

Quote

Someone put a too heavy fake eyelash on a Ramona’s right eye. It’s pulling her lid down and it’s not a pretty look. 

She reminded me of the old puppet Lamb Chop.

[athousandclowns]

46 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Is that what it was? It looked like a band aid to me. I was hoping someone could explain what the heck it might be for.

I didn't see it but have seen other tv personalities have half moon shape papers that decrease puffiness. 

Romona was full tilt harpie waving her hands counting on her fingers jumping up and  screaming at the top of her lungs. The continual talking at once by everyone on carols couch  was childis and desperate. I'm going to go back and read cc because I couldn't understand the mumbling.  Sonja would just say that sounds appropriate . 

[Ginger Wife]

32 minutes ago, DelicateDee said:

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What on earth happed to Carol?  She used to be one of the more sane ones. Recently her antics have been horrid. She used to possess an air of natural beauty inside and out. Now she looks like she has had way too much work done, her face doesn’t even look like her own, and she is just plain nasty. Something clearly happened.

 

Out of all of the house wives she was the one that seemed to have it together the most smart, accomplished, funny, beautiful, for the most part mature, and seemed to see people as they were. Now, she a mean, hot, mess. It’s pretty sad. 

[Ginger Wife]

I think that  Bethany really remained composed as the rest of the cast talked over and interrupted her the entire show. 

Ramona stayed true to her dramatic self. Still not a good look. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

2 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

I'm surprised at the Bethenny love.  She was horrible to Carole all season, to her face and in her TH's. Carole wasn't going to take her shit anymore so she fought back. What else was she supposed to do? Lick her ass the way Sonja does? B was a miserable, hateful mess in Colombia. If she wasn't crying she was just being a bitch. The only reason she's nice to Sonja right now is because Sonja is the only one left on the show to cling to. Bethenny is loyal to nobody. She deserves a gang up. Keep it coming in Part 2. 

 

Me?  I'm back to thinking Bethenny is just one great big fucking hateful, cruel, nasty asshole! 

Bethenny sneering & shutting down Carole (when Bethenny was talking to Moaner) was nasty as fuck.  Jeez, where does she get off with this behavior?  If anyone did this to her, she'd throw 700 tantrums & hissy fits.

Oh yeah, Bethenny, calling someone a drunk repeatedly on national TV is the same thing as being called a narcissist.  Like I said, Bethenny is an asshole!  Oh, and yeah, as Carole said -- a big ole narcissist too!

Eh, look, Bethenny found a shtick, that she's been doing on this show for 10 years now.  She's nasty as fuck & negative, negative, negative.  But more than that, she labels people -- exactly how Dorinda said.  But she ALWAYS labels people in a demeaning way.  That's her shtick & it's supposed to be for our entertainment.  Blech, it's gross.

Edited August 23, 2018 by ScoobieDoobs

[film noire]

4 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I enjoyed Tinsley’s, “I can do this [hair] myself... I mean, I didn’t do this myself, but I can.”

That was sweet, but then...Jesus, Tinsley; so frozen by it all.

Intially, she seemed like she was hoping to be rescued from a cult (How could I have fallen for Xenu?)  but as the rage flowed around her, I swear, she left her body altogether and flashed back to Christmas of 1991 (I'm sixteen!) when her Dad started drinking halfway through opening the gifts (Daddy! I got Achtung Baby! I'm going to marry Bono some day! And I'll drop to the floor and JUST SCREAM!) but nobody listened because Dale was hissing at George  (My family is coming over in two hours and you're unshaven!) and Tinsley looked at her parents, and then at Bono in his sunglasses, and she laid down under the blinking lights of a perfect Christmas tree, put the Walkman on, and disappeared into her future as Mrs. Bono, the sound of her parents fading as he sung to her (Come on, now, love - don't you look back!) and it was all going to be fine (maybe before Bono I should kiss that cute boy at school, Topper?) all of it fine - perfect and lovely and fine - as long as she didn't have to listen to them screaming.

And then this fucking job comes along.

RUN, TINS, RUN.

Edited August 23, 2018 by film noire

[Sunfield]

39 minutes ago, Ginger Wife said:

What on earth happed to Carol?  She used to be one of the more sane ones. Recently her antics have been horrid. She used to possess an air of natural beauty inside and out. Now she looks like she has had way too much work done, her face doesn’t even look like her own, and she is just plain nasty. Something clearly happened.

 

Out of all of the house wives she was the one that seemed to have it together the most smart, accomplished, funny, beautiful, for the most part mature, and seemed to see people as they were. Now, she a mean, hot, mess. It’s pretty sad. 

I’m watching this tomorrow but to speak to this... Adam met someone else,then dumped Carole. At the same time Bethenny stopped inviting Carole to her Hamptons house on weekends last summer because she was busy with Puerto Rico and Carole was not supportive. Bethenny thought she was honouring Carole’s need for space but Carole took it as B distancing, then flipped it and started gaslighting Bethenny instead. It was nuts.

bottom line - Carole lost her husband and two friends within 2 weeks 19 years ago. This season, Carole lost Adam and Bethenny at the same time nearly. I think Carole may have ptsd and this season triggered it. Eg. She ran a marathon her husband ran and checked his score too. I remember the first season Carole was on. All this time she’s been trying to get past trauma I think. Sadly, trauma just rests, it never goes away. I don’t like her but this is my unqualified thesis on Carole. I genuinely hope she feels better once this is all behind her. I wish the same for Bethenny.

[biakbiak]

8 minutes ago, Sunfield said:

I’m watching this tomorrow but to speak to this... Adam met someone else,then dumped Carole.

If you are talking about Mikaela he knew her and worked with her before he met Carole. 

[ivygirl]

I was kind of driving myself nuts about where on reality TV I’d heard about the Dream Team and I finally remembered it was YoYo on RHOBH. Hearing her say “Da Dreeeeemmmm Teeeeeem!” bugged me... and (as much as I don’t like Bethenny) it bothers me when Carole says it too. We aren’t in junior high.

[amypdx]

5 hours ago, blueiris said:

Dorinda is a sloppy, nasty, blackout drunk. How many drunk meltdowns has she had with food smeared all over her face dear gawd! The way she tried to toss it off tonight like yeah I drink but I was in a bad place hahaha gave her away. She knows it. And sorry girl the older you get the sadder it looks. AA is saving a seat for you. 

But she only ever has 2 drinks - what a crock. I think that is the biggest indication of full-on alcoholism that she can say that with a straight face. 

[film noire]

1 hour ago, Ginger Wife said:

What on earth happed to Carol?  She used to be one of the more sane ones. 

I think she's plenty sane, but almost everybody who tries to get close to Bethenny ends up crazy.

I'm not saying that to be incendiary; it's just what narcs do. Drive people mad, and then drive them away. Up is down and down is sideways and I never called you a bad businesswoman and they're always right and you're always wrong, even when you prove them 100 percent wrong with real world evidence  (wanna get a judge in here?)  they deny it and sob and cry and interrupt you and deflect your points and talk and talk and talk and never say anything  meaningful -- only barbs and bullshit and bloviating -- and the insults flow and they call them quips and their bitterness rains down like battery acid, even as they say I love you but when push comes to shove, they will filet you like a fish if you threaten their self image, if you dare to breathe  a word of anything but praise, dare to say wait, but that's not how it went down and once that happens their only goal is to shame and demean you so they can feel good about themselves;  about their up is down & down is sideways selves.

There is no sane response to that other than to walk away.

So brava to Carole -- someone I never liked, and outright loathed over her treatment of Jules -- for being the only one in Frankel's orbit to figure that out, the only one to walk away, and in the leaving, remain sane.  

Edited August 23, 2018 by film noire