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4 hours ago, Jennv said:

I was very disappointed in the way Kelli addressed VK's cut. She told her she would make the team if they had more than 36 spots and I think that is BS that she was just spewing to make VK feel good. Did she not see the girls gut jiggling during the kickline? She can't go one the field like that and Kelli damn well knows that. YOU ARE NOT DOING HER A FAVOR BY CODDLING HER! She needs the brutal truth, or she will show up next year with the exact same problems

Here’s my take:

I think Kelli’s comments that VK has potential for the team blah blah blah were made to appease TK and VK. And probably Kelli herself.  

I think VK comes back next year with her weight and behaviour at a decent enough level that she gets a place on the team. JMHO

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4 minutes ago, MamaV said:

Here’s my take:

I think Kelli’s comments that VK has potential for the team blah blah blah were made to appease TK and VK. And probably Kelli herself.  

I think VK comes back next year with her weight and behaviour at a decent enough level that she gets a place on the team. JMHO

Fingers crossed.

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1 hour ago, hannahbanana said:

Well, it looks like she has deleted the "couch" comment/post.

I think she is just really frustrated/stressed with how this training camp went. I think if it had been HER choice, certain people would have been gone a lot sooner. Instead, she had the stress of dealing with Kelli being in denial all season & then catching flack on twitter about it, too, like it was all her fault (when I think she really felt like her hands were tied). I think it all just blew up for her last night.

I've always liked Judy. Of course, I have absolutely zero "insider" information, so I have no idea what she is like during practices, games, or general interactions with the DCC squad on a regular basis. Based upon what I've seen on the show only, I personally think that Judy's voice was minimized throughout this season's auditions and training camp. I understand that her tweet offended some (or many), but I think she tweeted out of misdirected frustration. I keep going back to Kelly saying to Judy that she's quiet, and in response, Judy continues to stay quiet. If only we could have one of those captions that shows what's going through her mind at that moment... :-).

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3 hours ago, TexasBorn said:

Amen hallelujah! 

You don’t think we will get people talking about Victoria’s cut for at least 5minutes? Now that Victoria’s gone, who will be the talking head about cuts?

1 hour ago, MamaV said:

Here’s my take:

I think Kelli’s comments that VK has potential for the team blah blah blah were made to appease TK and VK. And probably Kelli herself.  

I think VK comes back next year with her weight and behaviour at a decent enough level that she gets a place on the team. JMHO

I’ve been predicting she won’t or can’t manage her weight. She came into camp looking soft and gained the entire time.

I was wondering how much she might gain over the football season if she made the team. She gained what 11 pounds in a few weeks? She could easily be up more than 20 pounds by the end of the season. 

Her weight was just one of the many issues. I just don’t see her growing up in one year.

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3 minutes ago, aubshart said:

My fav line from Kelli 

 

*Victoria asking if the cut was for something specific*

 

Kelli: “It’s comprehensive.”

Who is this? Alexis?

That’s who I think it is 

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VK has zero incentive to change and grow up for next year's auditions.   I'm sure that since she's staying in the same environment, with people who enable her, and tell her everyone is mean to her, then she will keep right on the same path.       The reputed major rift between Kelli and Tina speaks volumes, and shows that whatever happens with VK is not her kid's fault, but everyone else picking on her.       

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7 hours ago, PBSLover said:

Just because it wasn’t shown on the episode doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

Honestly, so much of what the insiders said—the Jinelle stuff, the weight gain, the doc appointment, and the rest—did turn out to be true, and that’s only what we saw. The only rumor I haven’t seen substantiated is the one about Tara being cut for being “toxic” for talking about the VK favoritism. It seemed clear Kelli and Judy were upset about cutting her, so I doubt there was truth to that one. 

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6 hours ago, SmpIsimon said:

Judy is showing her true colors. What a bitch.  If it weren’t for the viewers, there’d be no show  

I now understand how Cassie came to be such a disgusting human being. 

I've found in life that most of the mean girls I meet have mean girls moms. 

4 hours ago, hannahbanana said:

Well, it looks like she has deleted the "couch" comment/post.

I think she is just really frustrated/stressed with how this training camp went. I think if it had been HER choice, certain people would have been gone a lot sooner. Instead, she had the stress of dealing with Kelli being in denial all season & then catching flack on twitter about it, too, like it was all her fault (when I think she really felt like her hands were tied). I think it all just blew up for her last night.

Pft! The internet is forever, Judy. 

1 hour ago, rose711 said:

You don’t think we will get people talking about Victoria’s cut for at least 5minutes? Now that Victoria’s gone, who will be the talking head about cuts?

I’ve been predicting she won’t or can’t manage her weight. She came into camp looking soft and gained the entire time.

I was wondering how much she might gain over the football season if she made the team. She gained what 11 pounds in a few weeks? She could easily be up more than 20 pounds by the end of the season. 

Her weight was just one of the many issues. I just don’t see her growing up in one year.

VK is so brainwashed in the "DCC or bust" department that it would not shock me if she turned to professional help to get the weight off. 

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On ‎10‎/‎17‎/‎2018 at 3:13 PM, Jennv said:

What an incredibly stupid trend

I blame the Kardashians.  How young women can follow people like this gives me fears for the future of this country.

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15 hours ago, sATL said:

I thought Brooke cheered for a FL team (can't remember if it was football or something else) before becoming a DCC. If so that would make her older than 18 - unless that team allowed younger than 18,

She was on the Florida Marlins dance team for two years prior to DCC, so she was definitely not an 18 year old rookie.

8 hours ago, KnyghtRyder said:

I’d LOVE for one of them to do MY job for a day. But first you have to go through a year (or more) long application period then a 5-month Academy where you aren’t given 17 chances to get your shit straightened out. And the instructors don’t tell you they love you at the end of an office visit. They tell you that if you don’t do things correctly, someone can get killed. So...yeah. Her frustration should be directed at the CMT Powers That Be who choose what and what not to air, which manipulates our opinions.

Fair enough, but how would you feel if your job, with it's high stakes and extensive application and training period was filmed, chopped up for tv, your experience molded into a dramatic story-line, and aired, and then you had to listen to a bunch of people who don't really understand that application and training process or the daily grind of your job (but think they do) dissecting your every move and going on about how you you're doing it wrong?I just think it's different when you're the one under the microscope for all the world to comment on.

4 hours ago, hannahbanana said:

I think she is just really frustrated/stressed with how this training camp went. I think if it had been HER choice, certain people would have been gone a lot sooner. Instead, she had the stress of dealing with Kelli being in denial all season & then catching flack on twitter about it, too, like it was all her fault (when I think she really felt like her hands were tied). I think it all just blew up for her last night.

I think Judy had a very human and understandable reaction. While viewers have every right to watch the show and form their own opinions, for Judy this isn't tv. This is her job every day, day after day for almost 30 years. She does not edit the show and does not control which stories are told and how. So yeah, she's had enough of low-information viewers Monday morning quarterbacking her decisions and her qualifications. I can't say I blame her. I don't believe that just because people are on tv or are celebrities that they don't have the same emotions and frailties as anyone else. For the most part, she handles it with grace. Occasionally it gets to her. I have no problem with that.

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2 hours ago, rose711 said:

You don’t think we will get people talking about Victoria’s cut for at least 5minutes? Now that Victoria’s gone, who will be the talking head about cuts?

I’ve been predicting she won’t or can’t manage her weight. She came into camp looking soft and gained the entire time.

I was wondering how much she might gain over the football season if she made the team. She gained what 11 pounds in a few weeks? She could easily be up more than 20 pounds by the end of the season. 

Her weight was just one of the many issues. I just don’t see her growing up in one year.

If she doesn't get the weight off, I hope Kelli lets her know not to audition again yet. It'll be the same cycle all over again, and she'll get her heart broken all over again too.

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On 10/18/2018 at 7:48 PM, DCCme said:

If you figure it out, let me know!  I’m in the same life spot...

I gained 50 lbs between perimenopause and menopause. I have since lost that weight but it took 2-1/2 years, diet change and exercise. I do Barre classes 6 days a week. I'm 67 years old and I'm in better shape now than I was before. I'm actually getting my butt back and muscle definition!

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2 hours ago, TexasBorn said:

Jalyn - "I'm not a pretty cryer." LMAO! She is hilarious.

Has any other TCC or DCC had that much runny mascara? What a train wreck.

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VK was asked on Instagram what mascara she uses cause the poster thought her lashes were on point.  She responded that she doesn't use waterproof mascara cause it's harder to remove.  

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5 minutes ago, scorpio1031 said:

VK was asked on Instagram what mascara she uses cause the poster thought her lashes were on point.  She responded that she doesn't use waterproof mascara cause it's harder to remove.  

There are great eye make-up removers that remove waterproof mascara. New formulas where the make-up sort of melts off. 

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3 minutes ago, PBSLover said:

There are great eye make-up removers that remove waterproof mascara. New formulas where the make-up sort of melts off. 

That's what I was thinking when I saw what she wrote.  I don't remember who posted that if she made the squad, she needed a different mascara or it would be all over her face by the end of the game or something like that.

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8 minutes ago, scorpio1031 said:

That's what I was thinking when I saw what she wrote.  I don't remember who posted that if she made the squad, she needed a different mascara or it would be all over her face by the end of the game or something like that.

I wonder if the DCC binder recommends wearing waterproof mascara. I would think they would considering stadium air conditioning or not, it’s got to be hot and sweaty dancing all day at games.

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A day later, I’m still fired up about the office visit for VK’s cut. Kelli’s comments about people assuming VK was a shoo in due to her connections & how that was bull clearly illustrate how deluded Kelli was this season. I think everyone here can agree that VK worked hard in training camp. It’s not like she was standing in the corner filing her nails the entire time. BUT ALL THE GIRLS WORK HARD.

What people have a problem with is that VK clearly had no respect for the process & her lack of respect & immaturity had absolutely no consequences. She gained 11 lbs in the matter of a few weeks. She should’ve been cut. There was absolutely no way for her to lose that weight in a healthy manner & maintain that weight loss if she gained that much in such a short period of time. “Give her the respect” my ass. Then, she disrespected a staff member, ignored services that the organization generously offered her, & only apologized as an afterthought when she was being reprimanded. She should’ve been cut then, especially if she was caught lying. After that debacle, she butchered her media interviews to the point where Kelli stated she couldn’t trust her to talk to media. When Kelli made the decision that she wouldn’t train/help Taylor with her mistakes, she absolutely should have cut VK for the same reason. Finally, you have the stickers & the office visits. She has 1 sticker. She had 5 office visits.

It’s clear that VK worked hard to learn the dances & is passionate about being a DCC, but that doesn’t make her special. Every single girl that tries out works hard & is passionate. VK clearly had the advantage of nepotism that every other girl didn’t. She got away with gaining 11 lbs while Tara was cut for being underwhelming & gaining 10 lbs. She got away with having a horrendous media day while Taylor was cut for the same reason. Based on rumors here, VK hasn’t learned her lesson or matured at all, considering she’s running around her dance classes telling people that she was cut for taking up too much screen time. Kelli did her no favors by softening the blow of being cut. She should’ve put every issue out on the table just like she does with every other TCC. Look at how she talked to Madeline & Kristin. Unfortunately, VK will audition next year, fly under the radar with little to no focus on her/no THs in an attempt to quiet the unrest & still let her on the team. Very disappointed in this season & what this process has become.

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3 minutes ago, PBSLover said:

I wonder if the DCC binder recommends wearing waterproof mascara. I would think they would considering stadium air conditioning or not, it’s got to be hot and sweaty dancing all day at games.

Remember the posts from years past when the girls would come in and their locker would be filled with their sponsor's products - makeup and hair. I remember Bedhead was one.  During Season 1, the had announced the team, and Kelli said it was time to get ready and they showed Nicole getting her braces checked and Kandi was using Mario Badescu products.  I remember thinking, Wow!  High end sponsors:)  If they are still sponsored, they might be getting shadow, liner, mascara, etc, and hair products.

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3 minutes ago, ClosetDCCFan said:

I’m sorry if I missed this up thread, but is anyone else wondering whether Kelli’s comment about “anyone who thought Victoria was a shoo in” was directed at the rumors on this board?

That is what I thought too.  I also believe that if Kelli had permission for 40 girls Victoria would be on the team.  

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Did anyone notice how Judy didn’t even respond to Kelli’s comments in this episode?

Kelli would turn and make comments while looking at Judy and Judy wouldn’t look

back at her or really respond back.

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The bottom line is that if this were the worse case of favoritism in the world, Victoria would be on the team. All that happened was that she was cut later rather than sooner.  She was not qualified this year and should not have made it, and she didn't.  So what that she hung around a little longer? The final team was not affected in any way.  I think Malena's case is worse. Yes, she is beautiful and professional, but she can't do the dance part. And this is a dance team. She is a far greater risk  to the organization than Victoria or Tara.  I suspect that they are letting her stay because they really want her to get that extra training and work on the choreo for a full year, but she doesn't know that. She was a bundle of nerves last night.

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On 10/17/2018 at 9:41 PM, Kate2006 said:

If it's the one I'm thinking of, I Shazamed it the other night because I liked it too. It's Sax by Fleur East. I've never heard of them

I don’t know if anyone mentioned this yet, but when I heard that song it sounded so familiar to me - couldnt figure it out, then I remembered it was the song used for the fan vote combo ether the last or the next to last time they had the fan vote.  Listened to it over end over watching fan vote videos!

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10 hours ago, SmpIsimon said:

Judy is showing her true colors. What a bitch.  If it weren’t for the viewers, there’d be no show  

I now understand how Cassie came to be such a disgusting human being. 

Judy doesn't care if there is a show. She just wants to do her job without constantly being criticized by people who think they know everything, but don't.

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57 minutes ago, Loves2Dance said:

 

The fact that Kelli admitted she would have put VK in a uniform had she been allowed to (aka go over 36 girls) continues to showcase how far she was from reality during this process.

 

If that had happened (or happens in the future) K can never cut someone for weight, attitude or mistakes again without everybody in the world crying foul.

The biggest sign of favoritism (besides the fact that she on the show until the next to last episode) -- the edit showing VK hugging each of them, showing her walking through the tunnel and hugging K's assistant, etc. and CMT's comment "hold your head up."  I am open to correction but I don't recall CMT ever making a post like that before.  VK was the story this year and it fell completely flat and did nothing but show K&J in a really bad light.

I also agree with the comment that Judy's comments were a put down of the fans that watch the show.  I would be careful, those same fans may not be viewing next year.

Take the hint CMT, Charlotte, Kelli and Judy:  in TV parlance your show is coming awfully close to "jumping the shark" and losing whatever goodwill and credibility it had in the past.

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On 10/17/2018 at 11:41 PM, viccib said:

possibly due to the fact that K&J asked her to help choose the cameo pics

Her helping chose the cameo pics should be cause for termination, not a promotion.  Some of them were the worst of all time.   Lol.

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2 minutes ago, Law Mom said:

Judy doesn't care if there is a show. She just wants to do her job without constantly being criticized by people who think they know everything, but don't.

I don't think she wants to do with her job without being criticized by people think they know everything -- it was pretty obvious that she did not want to deal with the possibility that their opinions may have been valid.  I

2 minutes ago, MyFavShows said:

Her helping chose the cameo pics should be cause for termination, not a promotion.  Some of them were the worst of all time.   Lol.

You can't fire Jinelle without firing Judy or Kelli -- I don't think that the cameos were picked on the spot and they certainly wouldn't have been approved without Kelli's okay.

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On 10/18/2018 at 12:19 PM, ShellyB said:

Shelly has created relationships with directors through networking at competitions that she judges, visiting teams that play at AT&T Stadium, and personal friends. It’s easy to know about our local (Texas, Oklahoma & Louisiana) teams, but she has branched out to some of the top competitive teams in the country. The only advantage they might have, is a recommendation that goes directly to K & J, coming from their directors. 

This makes me wonder how much of an advantage these recruited girls have over regular girls who have “a dream” and go tryout.  Like what percentage make it into camp that weren’t recruited, and what percentage of recruited girls get cut at semis/finals...   Like if the DCC doesn’t know who you are beforehand, how much of s shot do you really even have?

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15 hours ago, ATLGirl said:

I noticed that Meredith's flag photos were taken by former TCC Ashley Kelly. Yep, the one whose dog ran away the night before her first time trying out. I remember her taking Meredith's "jump split clinic" so I guess they've stayed friends over the years. I remarked to my husband that being transferred from Buenos Aires to Bogota did not sound good.

 

I had some sympathy for the editors when it came to VK's mascara nightmare. It just took on a life of its own.

 

As I was watching VK's cut (and wishing I had some cake), I was wondering if she truly knew it was coming. Some here have said that VK was told she was guaranteed a spot on the team no matter what. So was she sailing along thinking she had it in the bag, even when she walked into the office that night? Or did someone take her aside and say "Look, Victoria, your deal is done. Too much happened to overcome. Be ready to get cut." ? I can't honestly tell because of the editing and the weird way Kelli was talking as if she was passing a kidney stone because it was so painful to cut her BFF's daughter.

I loved Ashley Kelly - she seemed so sweet and funny.  Not the brightest bulb in the box, but I just thought she was so cute.  Also totally gorgeous.   I wish she could have got the dancing down well enough to make the team.

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38 minutes ago, MyFavShows said:

This makes me wonder how much of an advantage these recruited girls have over regular girls who have “a dream” and go tryout.  Like what percentage make it into camp that weren’t recruited, and what percentage of recruited girls get cut at semis/finals...   Like if the DCC doesn’t know who you are beforehand, how much of s shot do you really even have?

A great shot if you can dance and fit the criteria of what they are looking for? How many people has Kitty recommended to K&J that never make the team? Just because they don’t know you prior to prelims doesn’t mean a thing. This is what I have gotten from the show after watching for all these years. Kelli, who is currently on the squad started trying out in Season 3. Kitty recommended her over and over. K&J never picked her for training camp. I know Kelsi Reich was recruited and didn’t have to appear at prelims but that seems to be one of the few cases. Holly (redhead) was unknown to them from what I can remember. Same with Madeline Massingill. All the dancers from other teams out of state, etc.

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13 minutes ago, PBSLover said:

A great shot if you can dance and fit the criteria of what they are looking for? How many people has Kitty recommended to K&J that never make the team? Just because they don’t know you prior to prelims doesn’t mean a thing. This is what I have gotten from the show after watching for all these years. Kelli, who is currently on the squad started trying out in Season 3. Kitty recommended her over and over. K&J never picked her for training camp. I know Kelsi Reich was recruited and didn’t have to appear at prelims but that seems to be one of the few cases. Holly (redhead) was unknown to them from what I can remember. Same with Madeline Massingill. All the dancers from other teams out of state, etc.

 

Yeah - but we had no idea Cianna was recruited until Shelly said something.   I’m wondering if a good percentage of them are, and we are just unaware.  It sounds like Gabby may have been recruited this season as well.  

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1 hour ago, Law Mom said:

Judy doesn't care if there is a show. She just wants to do her job without constantly being criticized by people who think they know everything, but don't.

Left to her (Judy) own devices she would have axed all of last year's blenders and VK. IMO, Kelly has more of a heart. 

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10 minutes ago, TexasBorn said:

Left to her (Judy) own devices she would have axed all of last year's blenders and VK. IMO, Kelly has more of a heart. 

Hmmm.  Who did Judy give her stickers to? She probably has the BEST eye for DCC style talent. I have never seen her do the Kelli thing with “oh, but she’s pretty” 

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