The Bachelor Season 22: Spoilers & Speculation

[hnygrl]

Question: 

I was wondering after watching WTA:

Are we SURE Lauren said yes? Are we? Is it possible that she said NO? Harrison NOT asking if he was in love/happy and his miserable discomfort got my radar to blipping....

Boy that would make this whole mess worthwhile if she told him thanks but no thanks...

[Mabinogia]

I LOVE that idea! Then Chris H would finally get his MOST!SHOCKING!FINALE!EVER!!!!!!

[Diana Berry]

4 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

I LOVE that idea! Then Chris H would finally get his MOST!SHOCKING!FINALE!EVER!!!!!!

Don't we get that Every season

[hnygrl]

Yeah but this year It would finally be TRUE!

"I pulled a Mesnick and SHE SAID NO! WAAAAAH!!!"

Please let it be true, PLEASE let it be true!

[Wings]

Tonight dates and fantasy sweets, blah blah..and part 1 of finale.  When is pt 2?  They gotta find a way to speed this up.  This is the third time I remember looking forward to the finale, so that is good.  Mesnick And Emily were the other 2.  

[leighdear]

Oh for craps sake, Tia hit that Bachelorette audition HARD.  Her last line "I'm open to finding love again" just sealed it.  She's skeevy &  transparent.  NOT lead material by my criteria. 

And I think Lauren just said yes to dating Arie.  I don't think Steve ever said Arie proposed to her, just that they'd try out a relationship.  

[jumper sage]

2 hours ago, Wings said:

Tonight dates and fantasy sweets, blah blah..and part 1 of finale.  When is pt 2?  They gotta find a way to speed this up.  This is the third time I remember looking forward to the finale, so that is good.  Mesnick And Emily were the other 2.  

Next week we have a 3 hour Monday night and a 1 hour Tuesday night.  Apparently shit went down, hence the extra hour.  Side eye.

[dizzyd]

Based on today's episode, I'd prefer Kendall over Becca as the next 'ette. Sienne over both but doubtful. And PLEASE, not Tia.

[Mu Shu]

On 2/25/2018 at 10:09 PM, StatisticalOutlier said:

But would soldiers really be excited to have Arie be the American who comes to entertain or whatever?  At least a singer could sing, or a comedian could tell jokes, or a real celebrity could just be there.  But a Bachelor lead? 

No.  I wonder how many deserted after they found out pretty women weren’t on the agenda, but some gout stricken old ass possum in a mustard colored cardigan.

[ApprenticeFan]

44 minutes ago, dizzyd said:

Based on today's episode, I'd prefer Kendall over Becca as the next 'ette. Sienne over both but doubtful. And PLEASE, not Tia.

Hope it will be agreed for Kendall to get her role as the next 'ette. She is blonde and animal lover. Tia is more likely to be cast in Bachelor in Paradise with Bekah M.

[Token]

I don't know if I'd class Kendall as an animal lover.  More of a dead animal carcass stuffer.  The girl loves roadkill, not live animals.

[Irlandesa]

If Tia were the next 'ette, wouldn't they have announced her by now the way they did with Rachel?  Doesn't that show need to start filming soon?

Now that I'd watch (although I wasn't going to watch this shitshow either and yet here I am) but I'd take Kendall, Becca, Jacqueline or Sienne as the next 'ette they can suck all the personality out of. 

[Christi]

23 minutes ago, Token said:

I don't know if I'd class Kendall as an animal lover.  More of a dead animal carcass stuffer.  The girl loves roadkill, not live animals.

Thank you!! And those white rats are killed just to stuff them...so creepy

[chocolatine]

I want to go back to the days when this show treated taxidermy with the derision it deserves - Kirk's dad, anyone? 

[yorklee2]

8 hours ago, hnygrl said:

Question: 

I was wondering after watching WTA:

Are we SURE Lauren said yes? Are we? Is it possible that she said NO? Harrison NOT asking if he was in love/happy and his miserable discomfort got my radar to blipping....

Boy that would make this whole mess worthwhile if she told him thanks but no thanks...

 

5 hours ago, leighdear said:

Oh for craps sake, Tia hit that Bachelorette audition HARD.  Her last line "I'm open to finding love again" just sealed it.  She's skeevy &  transparent.  NOT lead material by my criteria. 

And I think Lauren just said yes to dating Arie.  I don't think Steve ever said Arie proposed to her, just that they'd try out a relationship.  

As much as I would love to see your scenario happen @HYNGIRL I don't think they would bring on Jason and Molly just for Arie to be turned down.

Yeah I'm worried after that audition. She layed it on thick. I'm trying to hold out hope that Kendall, Seinne or Becca might still pull ahead. But I'm worried that they'll say Becca's not had enough time to get over her heartbreak since Arie just pulled his Mesnick in January. And she may not want any more of this franchise after that fiasco. Can't say I'd blame her.

Maybe we can hope TPTB will get a bad vibe from Tia like they did with Luke and negotiations will break down. But who am I kidding. That girl would do anything from selling her soul to the devil to literally kissing Mike Fliess's a__s to get it.

Edited February 27, 2018 by yorklee2

[Real4real]

How is CH saying that we've never seen this ending before?  Maybe Arie is planning to actually propose on AFTR?  I don't remember Mesnick proposing, just asking if she would give him a second chance which eventually did lead to them getting married.  

Or maybe somebody shows up pregnant?  Now that would be a dramatic ending that we haven't seen before!

[yorklee2]

1 minute ago, Real4real said:

How is CH saying that we've never seen this ending before?  Maybe Arie is planning to actually propose on AFTR?  I don't remember Mesnick proposing, just asking if she would give him a second chance which eventually did lead to them getting married.  

Or maybe somebody shows up pregnant?  Now that would be a dramatic ending that we haven't seen before!

If the show was actually able to get anything like that past RS I would be shocked. And pleasantly so. But Chris H always says stuff like that. MOST DRAMATIC EVER!...A ENDING LIKE YOU'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE! 

[backformore]

41 minutes ago, chocolatine said:

I want to go back to the days when this show treated taxidermy with the derision it deserves - Kirk's dad, anyone? 

No kidding!  what's your hobby?   Oh, I like to play with dead animals, stuff them and put them in poses.  You, know, like Norman Bates in his basement. 

[chocolatine]

13 minutes ago, Real4real said:

How is CH saying that we've never seen this ending before?  Maybe Arie is planning to actually propose on AFTR?  I don't remember Mesnick proposing, just asking if she would give him a second chance which eventually did lead to them getting married.  

Or maybe somebody shows up pregnant?  Now that would be a dramatic ending that we haven't seen before!

Maybe Arie has also tired of Lauren after a few weeks, and on the ATFR he'll announce that he wants to date Kendall.

[yorklee2]

12 minutes ago, chocolatine said:

Maybe Arie has also tired of Lauren after a few weeks, and on the ATFR he'll announce that he wants to date Kendall.

LOL!

[nicgwatchingtv]

I'll be so curious to see if this works for Arie. 

Because I think his brother's wedding really did make him want to be ready to settle down. And he finally got to be the Bachelor and I don't think he's ever given up on that idea. And now he's going to have a PR nightmare on his hands. If Lauren and he pull together to get through this, they might just work.

I always thought that that the fact that they pulled together and took care of each other during a really brutal post-TFR period was (a part of) why Molly and Jason lasted when they really might have just fizzled out if he'd initially picked her. They not only went through a very unique experience and trying experience, but they became a team while doing so. 

A lot of negative feedback also seemed to really help Kaitlyn and Shawn turn to each other for support and lead them to deepen their initial bond.

The reverse can be true too. Ben F practically ran away from Courtney during the time when the press and public had really turned on them. I never really liked her during the show (because, obviously) but I thought his failure to show her support was really crappy. 

Of course, Arie has a long history of being 'fickle' (anyone still remember or use that word? I'd almost forgotten it existed but remembered it today when thinking about Arie earlier) in relationships and moving on at the first sign of discord (and positioning potential replacements as time moves along). And he's already done that this season. If he resists the urge to do that again with Lauren, even if it's to avoid public backlash, he might just manage to evolve a little. And if they really take care over each other through this, who knows. They could make it all the way. 

I also do think there's a danger that they'll get married asap just to prove their doubters wrong and try and prove their intentions were good and they at least 'did it for love'. If so, I can see it ending in divorce shortly. Little Miss Twice engaged clearly likes to imagine herself getting married more than she cares about making good decisions about marriage and I really imagine there's going to be some friction between he and his family's values and life styles and her family 's value and life styles. But that's because, I always worry when people start saying things like "I wonder if ....knows how conservative we are" but that doesn't necessarily mean the families are actually that different.

Edited February 27, 2018 by nicgwatchingtv

[dizzyd]

I give Arie and Lauren about as long as Ben and Lauren. 

[CindyBee]

Reality Steve tweeted out yesterday "big update coming tomorrow".   Now with Steve that could mean anything from news about his podcast to something equally stupid but if its Arie is with (insert name of anyone else not named Becca or Lauren) then we truly will have the most shocking ending ever.

[truthaboutluv]

1 hour ago, dizzyd said:

I give Arie and Lauren about as long as Ben and Lauren. 

Ben and Lauren lasted about a year and a half. No way in hell I see Arie and this woman lasting that long and yes, admittedly I haven't watched the season but having never been impressed with Arie and the whole messiness to the start of the relationship. Yeah, if they make it past six months, I'll be shocked. 

[TheFinalRose]

Reality Steve just posted that Arie and Lauren were engaged this past Sat. ... he has a pic of a setup on the beach at the same resort where Jade and Tanner wed. 

Also says Becca will be the Bachelorette. 

Includes lots of details on how the breakup went down and how they blindsided Becca with the cameras.  Good stuff.

[nutty1]

Quick breakdown of what RS said....
Arie called Lauren early January and said he was having second thoughts and would she be willing to give them a try and she said yes.
Becca thought she was going to a regular safehouse visit and was told they were taping to show the fans their time together. It was then that he shocked her and broke up with her (BASTARD)
He then went to Lauren's in mid January and spoke with her and her parents.
Per RS:
"Which brings us to this past Saturday. Thanks to a tip from fellow blogger/podcaster Kate Casey, I was notified of this set up happening in the early evening at the Monarch Bay Resort in Dana Point, the same place where Tanner & Jade had their wedding:"

 

"By all indications, what I’m hearing is that Arie and Lauren got engaged Saturday night. I can confirm they were there (Arie was flying back to AZ on his IG Sunday morning), I can confirm a film crew was there, and I can confirm that people there were told a “Bachelor proposal was happening.” Do I have solid confirmation that a proposal definitely ended up happening? No. But if you ask me if I think they’re engaged, I’d say yes. Too many things point to it and the intel is about as solid as I can get without actually getting the confirmation. So just know if next Tuesday night on the ATFR if Arie and Lauren announced they’re engaged, it happened this past Saturday night at the Monarch Beach resort. Lauren is moving to Arizona and in with Arie as soon as this is all over. Yet another reason why I do think the engagement happened. Lets hope for their sake it didn’t, but I’m pretty sure it did. There are already rumors out there of a pregnancy, but I think that’s just people feeding into this crazy narrative. I have not heard anything about a pregnancy. If she got pregnant in the fantasy suite in November, she’d be four months along and I’m pretty sure I would’ve heard that by now. If she got pregnant the day he saw her in Virginia (assuming that’s the first time he saw her since Peru which I believe it was) that means she’d be less than 7 weeks pregnant and I doubt that’s the case. So lets not immediately start giving in to click bait stories."

[CindyBee]

Oh wow, that is CRAZY that Arie and Lauren are engaged now.   At least Jason dated Molly for NINE months before their engagement.  and I hang my head in shame to admit that I can't wait to watch all this on Monday/Tuesday.

 

And I just want to hug Becca and say RUN away from this franchise but then I also want her to have a chance to meet 25 personal trainers and have some fun on ABC's dime and just maybe there is a JP Rosenbaum in the herd.

Edited February 27, 2018 by CindyBee

[chocolatine]

10 minutes ago, nutty1 said:

Becca thought she was going to a regular safehouse visit and was told they were taping to show the fans their time together. It was then that he shocked her and broke up with her (BASTARD)

I really really hope TPTB warned her that this would be happening and promised her the Bachelorette gig if she agreed to have it filmed. Because otherwise it would be a new low even for them.

[CindyBee]

I just reread the part on Steve's blog about Becca and being the bachelorette and it does seem like its a given that she'll be it.  but we've had switcheroos in the past but I can't believe they would do that after Monday night when she'll be very well liked after being dumped so harshly.

So go get your revenge, Becca.  Hope the personal trainers Fleiss finds for you are total eye candy and there is one that makes you happy for the next year or so!

[hnygrl]

I cannot believe he took a KNEE. They haven't even SEEN each other in WEEKS! AND he dumped her the last time they saw each other! Damn.

 

These folks will do ANYTHING for a free million dollar wedding won't they? Disgusting. Like CIndyBee said, at least Mesnick had the presence of mind to DATE HER for nearly a YEAR first. This idiot just ups and proposes days after dumping a girl for  another girl.

I don't think this genius is at all prepared for the vitriol and hatred coming his way. His insta-fame is about to work against him in a big way.

Social media is a bigger part of people's every day lives now than when Mesnick changed his mind...he had a LITTLE more privacy at least - having a kid kinda guaranteed that.

These Instagram millennials are gonna eat them alive. Especially when they get engaged....right (in their eyes) after dumping Becca...and without dating or even taking the time to get to knoew each other. I'm put in mind of what happens to the most hated Big Brother houseguests....horror...

Y'all really think this "wedding" will happen? Really? 

[dleighg]

"My family is really excited to meet you both."

Just cracked me up. They don't know who the final two are. They are so excited to meet two random women they don't even know the names of and have been told nothing about.

[Token]

I'll be disappointed if Becca is the next Bachelorette.  I still find her really dull.  And she's so bony!!  

[nicgwatchingtv]

So Arie's rushing to prove he's not a womanizing asshole while he's hoping that "true love" will make the audience not care that he actually took cameras to the breakup--but only after being sure that the next girl was all lined up and ready. And Lauren is apparently obsessed with proposals. 

Who knows I guess, but he's doing what he always does but more so and she's no Molly. I see her caving to all of the pressure.

edited to add: For me, it's not the breaking up or even the quickie engagement that bugs. It's that he made sure Lauren would take him back before doing it. So if she'd said no, was he going to stay with Becca or maybe shoot Kendall a DM? Maybe see what Tia is up to? It's pretty skeevy and totally fits his pattern.

Edited February 27, 2018 by nicgwatchingtv

[nicgwatchingtv]

Also I think he's going to be surprised at how mad people will be that there were cameras there. At least Melissa knew going in that Jason was giving up on their engagement (and at least publically I've never seen him mention that she'd been with her ex since the moment she got off the plane when she went home) while she wanted to officially "keep trying". She just didn't know that he would be talking to Molly about getting back together. But neither did Molly.

But Arie let a woman he supposedly cared about (at least in some way just a week ago) walk into that house thinking they'd have a romantic visit while he not Only knew that he was dumping her but he'd also been settings things up with the next girl. 

Its pretty awful behavior.

Edited February 27, 2018 by nicgwatchingtv

[Irlandesa]

I'm confused.   Have Arie and Lauren been able to spend time together since they reunited?  Did they get the safe house visits he and Becca would have had?   

Why propose now?  Did they make another deal with the jeweler?  Did he get Becca' s ring back to give to Lauren?  

[scenicbyway]

But what does he SEE in Lauren?  She doesn't speak or smile?  What is IT?

Becca at least has a personality and I think she could handle her self well as bachelorette.  But seriously, what does Arie see in Lauren?  We've never seen a real conversation?

[Mabinogia]

58 minutes ago, nicgwatchingtv said:

edited to add: For me, it's not the breaking up or even the quickie engagement that bugs. It's that he made sure Lauren would take him back before doing it. So if she'd said no, was he going to stay with Becca or maybe shoot Kendall a DM? Maybe see what Tia is up to? It's pretty skeevy and totally fits his pattern.

Seriously. I really do wonder what he would have done if Lauren said she wasn't interested. I bet he would have stayed with Becca and never mentioned almost jumping ship.

 

1 hour ago, hnygrl said:

I cannot believe he took a KNEE. They haven't even SEEN each other in WEEKS! AND he dumped her the last time they saw each other! Damn.

I can't believe she's picking up and moving in with a guy who just dumped her and was about to propose to another woman (or proposed to, did he propose to Becca then dump her? I'm a little confused on the timeline of all this) because he called her up and said he had second thoughts. UGH. Lauren, honey, you aren't the one if he was ready to marry someone else whom he did not dump until AFTER you said you'd date him.

41 minutes ago, nicgwatchingtv said:

Also I think he's going to be surprised at how mad people will be that there were cameras there.

I think the show gave up on him too and are already more focused on creating the tragic story for Becca, the next Bachelorette. So we will all tune in to see her get her revenge on Arie by finding someone much better than him, which, in reality would not be at all hard to do, but we're talking the Bachelor here, they don't exactly get the cream of the evolutionary crop.

[b2H]

2 hours ago, hnygrl said:

Like CIndyBee said, at least Mesnick had the presence of mind to DATE HER for nearly a YEAR first. This idiot just ups and proposes days after dumping a girl for  another girl.

In the case of the Mesnick disaster, there were children involved, if I recall correctly (and someone will correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure).  In this case, unless the click bait stories are true, there are no children involved, so an immediate engagement (while not advisable) doesn't hurt anyone but the immediate participants.

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I think the show gave up on him too and are already more focused on creating the tragic story for Becca, the next Bachelorette. So we will all tune in to see her get her revenge on Arie by finding someone much better than him, which, in reality would not be at all hard to do, but we're talking the Bachelor here, they don't exactly get the cream of the evolutionary crop.

@Mabinogia, Sadly, they have already done this angle too many times to count.  It is no longer interesting to see someone make the commitment, which is already so tenuous, only to have the rug pulled out from under.  It's not right and if this is angle Fleiss is going to go with, it's going to get harder and harder to get anything other than Famewhores on this show.  Yeah, I know that's about what we already have, but there is nothing about this even remotely interesting anymore.

Edited February 27, 2018 by b2H

[Mu Shu]

14 hours ago, chocolatine said:

Maybe Arie has also tired of Lauren after a few weeks, and on the ATFR he'll announce that he wants to date Kendall.

Maybe Arie, boring and oldmanish as he is, gets bored with Lauren and fanboys Shaun White.  Shaun White bullies him into watching Church of Fudge.  Now that’s shocking, and on trend for post Olympic tie ins. 

[yorklee2]

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Seriously. I really do wonder what he would have done if Lauren said she wasn't interested. I bet he would have stayed with Becca and never mentioned jumping ship.

That's exactly what he would have done and in about 6 months do the break up announcement. Really not much different than what most of these couples do except he would have been sweating it out hoping Lauren didn't decide to spill the beans.

Edited February 27, 2018 by yorklee2

[peachmangosteen]

I can not wait to watch this shit show play out on screen!

[Jax7917]

Why oh why would arie think this is gonna be a good idea for his real estate business .. so people will realize how untrustworthy , gross of a human being he is .. good job ??

[hnygrl]

43 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

I can not wait to watch this shit show play out on screen!

I can't wait for this to play out on TWITTER!!!

It's gonna be SO GOOD!!!

BETTER THAN THE SHOW!!!

I'm picturing pitchforks and torches over here...These 20-somethings are gonna DESTROY him!!!

And...*sigh*...DEMAND BECCA be the next b'ette....yeah so...that's happening...

[dbell1]

Best part of the news is that Tia won't get The Bachelorette spot!! 

I give Arie and Lauren 3 months. However, old possum and boring might be the most perfect pairing ever. Like watch two walls of beige paint dry.

[Jazzhands]

1 hour ago, Jaclyn88 said:

Why oh why would arie think this is gonna be a good idea for his real estate business .. so people will realize how untrustworthy , gross of a human being he is .. good job ??

I doubt he wants to go back to real estate. He’s probably hoping for DWTS and then a string of any kind of reality-TV appearances he can get to extend his 15 minutes of “fame.”

[yorklee2]

27 minutes ago, dbell1 said:

Best part of the news is that Tia won't get The Bachelorette spot!! 

I give Arie and Lauren 3 months. However, old possum and boring might be the most perfect pairing ever. Like watch two walls of beige paint dry.

I know RS is almost always right but I'm afraid to celebrate until I see them actually announce Becca as the Bachelorette. I'm having flashbacks of the shock when they chose Nick over Luke and JoJo over Caila. But let's just say I'm way more optimistic than I was yesterday! 

[Jax7917]

45 minutes ago, yorklee2 said:

I know RS is almost always right but I'm afraid to celebrate until I see them actually announce Becca as the Bachelorette. I'm having flashbacks of the shock when they chose Nick over Luke and JoJo over Caila. But let's just say I'm way more optimistic than I was yesterday! 

I know what you mean but this is too good a story line for them to pass up next season 

[booboopbedoo]

he is such a loser!

There is also a rumour of a pregnancy- wonder if that is why he changes his mind??

 

I feel Becca will be the Next Bachelorette. I think she is too young but what do I know!

[Nedsdag]

Can anyone confirm the rumor that Becca and gap-toothed Peter were seen together at the Super Bowl?

ETA: I know Becca had the "story" line, but I'm surprised she would put herself through this again. Especially since the guys who'll be chosen will all say the same thing over and over again: "I saw Becca on the Bachelor and I told my parents/sister/brother/best friend/boss/wife/ex-girlfriend that I was going to marry that girl."

Edited February 28, 2018 by Nedsdag

[Jax7917]

If all this really did happen and I were in her position , I'd make sure to be the hottest , most fun , best dressed bachelorette and go find me a guy much hotter and much more sincere than arie .. that guy gives me the heebie jeebies