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With Ambrose's help, Cora struggles to recover missing memories, which lead Ambrose to a new suspect.

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Wow, nobody is even talking about this episode yet. This episode was really awful. It was all over the place with false leads and what appear to be red herrings. is this another True Detective, a slow build going nowhere? 

it is just so crazy and all over the place and much of it makes no sense. How can there be a new suspect when everybody saw Cora do it?

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What's happening is not very interesting, ways to make it more interesting is to pretend the guy in the hood is Cora's husband or Cora's husband's father.

I am sure that the detective's ex-wife realizes that the only reason he went for a talk in the woods was to find that dead body. She should be thoroughly pissed.

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I'm still in. It's only 8 episodes so we're halfway done. The husband is seeming more suspicious the way he's so hell-bent on pinning stuff on J.D. Maybe he just needs to see someone punished or maybe he wants someone other than him to be found guilty so he's off the radar. But my main suspicion/speculation is now on the sister. (No spoilers, I haven't read the book.) It would be too easy if J.D. were controlling Maddie and Cora. I think the sister might be. The foreshadowing being the way she convinced Cora to go to the neighbor where she could watch through the window and then tell her about it after. That's just my wild speculation from what we've seen so far. Someone is brainwashing Cora and/or erasing Cora's memories with pills. Not sure who is going to get attacked with the 7 hits. Maybe J.D. since he's injured (walks with a cane.) Maybe Maddie since she's disappeared. Or Maddie could be the mastermind and that's why Cora hates her. Possibly she was manipulating that woman the detectives talked to into believing J.D. was abusing her. I'd love to hear other theories.

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I'm still in but feeling a bit frustrated with the storytelling. i didn't read the book so have no idea what is going on. I appreciate mysteries where a little more is revealed each week but because of Cora's memory issues, things aren't being revealed in a way that is clear to the viewer. Her husband does seem kind of sketchy. I still don't believe Pullman's police character would invest time in trying to understand her story, he would have moved on to his next case. I do think much more will go on with the sister (although I wonder where a bedridden child with heavily religious parents is getting any kind of knowledge). And the young teenager playing Cora looks nothing like her to me. I debated about reading the book but now that I am watching I can't decide if I want to be spoiled. 

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I'm still in; I'm OK with it all. But last night--or last week--I must not have paid attention so well because I was like, "who the hell is Jordan?"

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Best part we didn't have any of the weird ass waitress. But we did get th boring ass wife so I guess it's a trade off.

Was the boy that Cora hooked up with a teenage JD or was it some random kid. Who was the blonde standing outside the drug house. Is she important because they seemed to make sure we saw her. 

I wish the detective would have just say down and stayed quite while the doctor was working with Cora instead of jumping in and screwing with the flow of the memory. 

Hey for once something Cora said seemed to pan out. Or did it. Still don't know what the wallpaper is about if she is remembering being shot at in the woods. Still have 4 episodes for it all to connect I suppose. 

Baby sister is shady as hell. "Go have sex with that guy and let me watch." Go away you little creep. And when Cora doesn't want to she narks on her father's affair to get Cora to do what she wants. Is Cora remembering this random Maddie chick or is her deep seeded hatred for the blonde really her sister. Why would she get in a truck that she doesn't want to be in because her romantic rival is already in the car. I have a problem seeing flashback Cora as an innocent naive 23(?) year old because JB is what in her 30s do all I see is a dumb 30 something. It's hard to be sympathetic. 

Fucking husband what are you doing? What is buying coke going to accomplish? And the dumbass girlfriend just invites a stranger in her house and sells him drugs. Must be her first time. 

If I'm on a hike and my husband walks off mid conversation I'm following him. Did the wife just stand there and wait for him to come back. We never see her after he finds the bus. Oh and how the hell does a bus get in the middle of the woods. There are these things like trees that don't move. If there is a road in the woods people would have long since found the bus. It looks like it was a teen hangout but you know an eco do-gooder would have called the authorities.

Looks like the man in the mask will be back next week. 

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52 minutes ago, notcreative enough said:

Is Cora remembering this random Maddie chick or is her deep seeded hatred for the blonde really her sister. Why would she get in a truck that she doesn't want to be in because her romantic rival is already in the car.

Depending on how close they stay to the book, this is a damned good guess.

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Every single character is unlikeable.  This could be wrapped up in 4 episodes total.  It is so boring and drawn out and a lot of heavy handed acting.  Ugh.  

 

I watched a 30 year old episode of The Rockford Files the other day when I was home sick in bed.  That show was way better crafted and much better acted than this self-indulgent slog.  Jennifer Beil is ACTING, ya'll.  Even Bill Pullman and Kathryn Erbe are terrible in this.  At least Pullman has the grace to looks embarrassed most of the time.  

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I don't know which is more ridiculous: a civilian recording only the audio of a drug deal -- where none of the perpetrators are named and the only person who mentions the drug is the civilian buyer -- and thinking a cop is going to use it to arrest someone who wasn't even present for the deal, or a little girl who has spent most of her life on her near-death bed with a domineering super religious mother being more knowledgeable about sex and porn than her sister who is older and actually goes out into the world every day.

I hate that I'm still watching this show. I don't like any of the characters and the amount of new information we got in this ep probably amounted to under 10 minutes. I've always thought Jennifer Biel was about as interesting as a bowl of oatmeal and this show doesn't make me feel any differently.

Guess I'm just a sucker for a mystery.

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3 hours ago, notcreative enough said:

If I'm on a hike and my husband walks off mid conversation I'm following him. Did the wife just stand there and wait for him to come back. We never see her after he finds the bus. Oh and how the hell does a bus get in the middle of the woods. There are these things like trees that don't move. If there is a road in the woods people would have long since found the bus. It looks like it was a teen hangout but you know an eco do-gooder would have called the authorities.

Looks like the man in the mask will be back next week. 

I've seen random old rotted out cars in wooded areas before but not super far from roads and usually down in ravines and assumed they were there from old accidents.  There's a block wall and some fence posts by the bus.  Could it be on the outer edges of someone's property?  

13 minutes ago, YoureSoUrban said:

I don't know which is more ridiculous: a civilian recording only the audio of a drug deal -- where none of the perpetrators are named and the only person who mentions the drug is the civilian buyer -- and thinking a cop is going to use it to arrest someone who wasn't even present for the deal, or a little girl who has spent most of her life on her near-death bed with a domineering super religious mother being more knowledgeable about sex and porn than her sister who is older and actually goes out into the world every day.

I hate that I'm still watching this show. I don't like any of the characters and the amount of new information we got in this ep probably amounted to under 10 minutes. I've always thought Jennifer Biel was about as interesting as a bowl of oatmeal and this show doesn't make me feel any differently.

Guess I'm just a sucker for a mystery.

I assumed the husband was either desperate and grasping at straws and/or not super bright.  They haven't shown him to be especially smart and it would be understandable for him to be wigged out from his wife violently murdering someone in front of him seemingly out of no where and for no reason and then going to jail, so either would make sense.

I'm wondering if there's something going on with the creepy sister.  I can't figure out if she looks younger than her age because she started out so sick and small or if she is as young as she looks and is obsessed with sex and has more knowledge due to being molested or abused.  But she's seriously creepy.

It's not a great show, but I'm enjoying it.

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17 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

What's happening is not very interesting, ways to make it more interesting is to pretend the guy in the hood is Cora's husband or Cora's husband's father.

I am sure that the detective's ex-wife realizes that the only reason he went for a talk in the woods was to find that dead body. She should be thoroughly pissed.

Yeah, he seems much more interested in the case than in her. I'm still having trouble seeing Erbe as anyone other than Eames from CI.
I'm confused as to how he knew there was a body there. Was there something with the mushrooms? Or just because the earth looked disturbed? And are we supposed to be able to guess who the body is? The ex-girlfriend (Maddie? I'm having name issues)? I feel like I should know, from years of watching crime shows, whether a body from 5 years ago (from the July 4th weekend) would be just a skeleton at this point. But I'm not sure. 

Also, can anyone who knows anything about hypnosis say whether their portrayal was accurate? It just seemed way too easy for her to get right to the night they wanted her to talk about. And I would think that hearing Ambrose would have taken her out of the trance.

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Does Bill Pullman speak like that in real life, or is that his character?  He has such an odd way of talking, like he's just learning to form words for the first time.  Sooooo sllooooowwwwww.  

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41 minutes ago, Teddybear said:

Does Bill Pullman speak like that in real life, or is that his character?  He has such an odd way of talking, like he's just learning to form words for the first time.  Sooooo sllooooowwwwww.  

He is odd, period, imo. He always looks so shifty or sneaky or enjoying some private dirty joke. I can't help it, he creeps me out. Erbe, as his wife, is also way too weird for me to have much sympathy.

I agree with an earlier poster who said no one here is likable, except Cora's husband Mason does seem to be reacting in a somewhat realistic way. He's acting like he really does love her and he's trying to understand.

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1 hour ago, Red Bridey said:

Isn't the blonde woman lurking out the back of the drug dealer's house Maddie?

I was wondering that too. It was clear that we were supposed to see her, ever so nonchalantly, of course.

 

So, Cora grew up next door to JD and had teenage, first-time sex with him? AND Cora's father was having an affair with JD's mother? Or some other neighbor?

 

Where was Cora's mother in this episode? I don't want to see her nastiness ever again, but she seemed strangely and conveniently absent.

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Still along for the ride, but this episode felt like a placeholder pretty much, because the therapist pretty much said that they can't be sure if what Cora would remember would be real or not, so I'm guessing half of her memories will be false on some levels.  Maybe a few truths, but I suspect that they still won't end up being closer to any actual answers.

That said, I'm really getting suspicious of her husband now.  Maybe it is simply suppose to be him really loyal and gung-ho about proving that Cora was manipulated, but there is something off about the way he approaches things to the point where it really feels like he is hiding something.

At least Ambrose's personal life was regulated to only two scenes, but it is so obvious that he barely cares about his wife and actually wanting to make things work out.

The more off the wall the flashbacks and Phoebe come off, the more I think Phoebe will somehow be involved with this.

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8 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

Still along for the ride, but this episode felt like a placeholder pretty much, because the therapist pretty much said that they can't be sure if what Cora would remember would be real or not, so I'm guessing half of her memories will be false on some levels.  Maybe a few truths, but I suspect that they still won't end up being closer to any actual answers.

That said, I'm really getting suspicious of her husband now.  Maybe it is simply suppose to be him really loyal and gung-ho about proving that Cora was manipulated, but there is something off about the way he approaches things to the point where it really feels like he is hiding something.

At least Ambrose's personal life was regulated to only two scenes, but it is so obvious that he barely cares about his wife and actually wanting to make things work out.

The more off the wall the flashbacks and Phoebe come off, the more I think Phoebe will somehow be involved with this.

I was thinking the same thing, the flashbacks really focus on the relationship between the two. For someone who is deathly ill, Phoebe certainly is bold and bossy toward her older sister. 

I don't really have any theories but I'm wondering if JD wanted a harem of sex slaves and Cora and Maddie were two of them. Then he could charge men to come and have sex with them, he would use the drugs to make them more willing and kept them locked up. Maybe the song was playing one night while Cora was being raped and she snapped and somehow killed the guy and escaped? That's why the song is a trigger. And the skeleton they found was the person she killed. I haven't read the book but I am just making stuff up as I go along lol. 

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13 hours ago, Red Bridey said:

Isn't the blonde woman lurking out the back of the drug dealer's house Maddie?

That is what I thought too.  So the dead body isn't Maddie?

12 hours ago, BamaGirl said:

I was wondering that too. It was clear that we were supposed to see her, ever so nonchalantly, of course.

 

So, Cora grew up next door to JD and had teenage, first-time sex with him? AND Cora's father was having an affair with JD's mother? Or some other neighbor?

 

Where was Cora's mother in this episode? I don't want to see her nastiness ever again, but she seemed strangely and conveniently absent.

I thought I heard Phoebe refer to the next door neighbor kid as "Kevin". 

Ditto on Cora's crazy mom.

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I'm kinda not liking this show.  It's too fragmented.  Did anybody see the "mini" series The Slap?  Now that show had me from beginning to end.  So I don't know if it's the writing or what.  How can a person possibly lose two whole months.  Even if someone was pumping you full of drugs most of the time there should have been some periods of lucidity.   So why tell the lie about being pregnant, getting hit by a car?  Crazy.

I'll continue to record it, but I learn just as much reading the recaps as suffering through 50 minutes of this going back and forth stuff.  I mean, what's up with the sick sister?  She's not too sick to get her freak on, even as a little kid!  The show is making Cora out be a sheep that just does whatever anybody tells her to do.

I'll bet it it will somehow all turn around and the doctor-kid will have deserved what he got (so that the audience won't feel bad that he died) and Cora will get off with temporary insanity or something.  I just hope they tie up the many loose ends at the close of the season.

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I swear I thought I'd posted this earlier today, but I wonder if Phoebe may not actually be as sick as she's supposed to be. Just a speculation, of course, and I'm not even sure that would make a difference anyway.

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He always looks so shifty or sneaky or enjoying some private dirty joke.

OMG you nailed it! I've never been able to figure out exactly what it is about him that is off but that's it: like he's enjoying a private dirty joke.

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Isn't the blonde woman lurking out the back of the drug dealer's house Maddie?

Exactly what I thought as well. Kind of a hamfisted visual clue but not as bad as the "STOP" sign behind Mason's head while he was waiting in his truck to go in.

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I kind of wonder if Phoebe is actually not as sick as she was as a baby anymore (in the flashbacks), but her mom is making her sick? Like she has Munchausen's or something? Writers love stuff like that. Its weird that Phoebe is so bossy and sex obsessed, it makes me wonder if she was abused or something. She has to have something to do with what happened to Cora, or they wouldn't be spending so much time on the sisters relationship. Phoebe was definitely the Boss, but the sisters seemed to be close none the less. Or maybe Cora is just a really weak willed person in general. Did she seriously have sex with a gut because her sister said she wanted to watch? And than later she took a random pill that her boyfriend (?) and his ex girlfriend (who hates her) gave her, saying that they had a secret plan. What the hell? Of course, later flashbacks seemed to say she and the ex were friends or something, so who knows?

With the ridiculously pulsing music when Cora was walking down the stairs in flashbacks, I thought her horrible, repressed secret was that she had found a crappy disco tech!

The scene with the bus in the woods reminded me a LOT of this old truck that was in the woods near my house where I grew up. It was just sitting there, all rusted over with trees and grass growing through it, and it looked like it had been there for years. Nobody knew how it got there, and it was always both a cool and creepy place when I was a kid.

I don't think Mason is in on it or anything, I think he's kind of dumb and is desperately trying to figure out what's happening to his wife.

The opening credits are like a faster, less moody True Detective season 1. I'm still interested enough, even if the writing isn't really blowing my mind.

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Did I imagine that Cora's parents said that Phoebe died? Does anyone believe she's still alive? I kind of like the Munchausen's angle but I'm pretty sure she's dead.

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39 minutes ago, SoSueMe said:

Did I imagine that Cora's parents said that Phoebe died? Does anyone believe she's still alive? I kind of like the Munchausen's angle but I'm pretty sure she's dead.

Yes, I think they said she died shortly after Cora left. But I wonder if either she's still alive OR that maybe her death had nothing to do with her illness? Also was thinking of the Munchausen thing...

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I kind of wonder if Phoebe is actually not as sick as she was as a baby anymore (in the flashbacks), but her mom is making her sick? Like she has Munchausen's or something? Writers love stuff like that. Its weird that Phoebe is so bossy and sex obsessed, it makes me wonder if she was abused or something. She has to have something to do with what happened to Cora, or they wouldn't be spending so much time on the sisters relationship. Phoebe was definitely the Boss, but the sisters seemed to be close none the less. Or maybe Cora is just a really weak willed person in general. Did she seriously have sex with a gut because her sister said she wanted to watch? And than later she took a random pill that her boyfriend (?) and his ex girlfriend (who hates her) gave her, saying that they had a secret plan. What the hell? Of course, later flashbacks seemed to say she and the ex were friends or something, so who knows?

With a mom like that, I am not surprised at anyone's behavior at this point! (Speaking of Munchhausen moms, maybe this popped into my head because I watched Mommie Dead and Dearest recently. Oy and yikes.)

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I don't know what we are supposed to be getting from this show. We have the entire backstory and the events leading up to Cora becoming involved with her husband; the flashbacks to childhood; and viewer naming who they are suspicious of, but we know who the killer is.  The only person I am suspicious of is Bill Pullman.  Why is he so intent on trying to find a scapegoat/explanation for Cora's crime.  His interest in her is sick, twisted and unrealistic, making the entire story preposterous.  The show only has eight episodes but as someone pointed out upthread, four episodes is way more than enough for this story.

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26 minutes ago, Happytobehere said:

I don't know what we are supposed to be getting from this show. We have the entire backstory and the events leading up to Cora becoming involved with her husband; the flashbacks to childhood; and viewer naming who they are suspicious of, but we know who the killer is.  The only person I am suspicious of is Bill Pullman.  Why is he so intent on trying to find a scapegoat/explanation for Cora's crime.  His interest in her is sick, twisted and unrealistic, making the entire story preposterous.  The show only has eight episodes but as someone pointed out upthread, four episodes is way more than enough for this story.

Yeah, but I will probably keep watching.

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9 hours ago, Auntie Anxiety said:

When the mother said that Phoebe was dead, I wasn't sure if she meant Phoebe was really dead or just "dead" to her.

I thought the mom said Phoebe died from lymphoma.  Am I imagining that? If that's the case, I don't see how she could just be "dead" to the mom as opposed to really being dead.  

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I have no idea about the book nor have I looked at any spoilers, however, the constant showing of the pattern and then the fact that Cora and Maddie were drugged and then maybe hunted in the woods sounds like she may have been brought in to some type of cult or "society" with ritual abuse that traumatized and fractured her mind and she was used for sex. Perhaps she was taken and drugged and as a sex slave for men?  I may be totally off base because she was only involved for 2 months, yet perhaps she found a way to escape? She spoke of feeling trapped and helpless and that the other girl did too. Because her memory has dissociated all of this trauma, she blames herself because that is what she has always done and was taught to do as a child through adulthood. Bad things happen because of her actions and because SHE is a sinner, not that others have sinned against her. 

 

So interested to see where this goes! I like the Detective and he has his own issues that he feels relief being punished for; however, it does seem a plot stretch that he would continue to work the case and get the psychologist to do hypnotherapy and spend his time determining motive when she passed the 730 exam, is deemed fit to stand trial, AND plead guilty and was simply awaiting sentencing. The NY State court, prisons, and mental health system is unlikely to put in resources once the case is finished. It doesn't make sense that the Detetive is reluctantly allowed by his superiors to work on this if the case is closed. He would likely have to move on to a new case. I understand that he is looking for information for mitigating factors that will affect her sentencing, yet that is not the job of the police at that point. It would be the responsibility of the defense attorney. However, I am fine overlooking this stretch of reality for the sake of the story! 

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On 8/24/2017 at 10:03 AM, DoubleUTeeEff said:

I'm still in. It's only 8 episodes so we're halfway done.

8?! I thought it was 6 episodes and i was glad i only had to endure 2 more episodes. If it's 8, i give up right now. I hate this show. The writing is lazy and the plotlines are convenient. 

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On 8/25/2017 at 9:14 PM, Happytobehere said:

I don't know what we are supposed to be getting from this show. We have the entire backstory and the events leading up to Cora becoming involved with her husband; the flashbacks to childhood; and viewer naming who they are suspicious of, but we know who the killer is.  The only person I am suspicious of is Bill Pullman.  Why is he so intent on trying to find a scapegoat/explanation for Cora's crime.  His interest in her is sick, twisted and unrealistic, making the entire story preposterous.  The show only has eight episodes but as someone pointed out upthread, four episodes is way more than enough for this story.

Right.  And when Cora insists on knowing the reason for his inquiry, he gives some nothing answer, Cora considers it and doesn't call him on the BS.  It's just unsatisfying to me. 

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On 8/25/2017 at 9:14 PM, Happytobehere said:

I don't know what we are supposed to be getting from this show. We have the entire backstory and the events leading up to Cora becoming involved with her husband; the flashbacks to childhood; and viewer naming who they are suspicious of, but we know who the killer is.  The only person I am suspicious of is Bill Pullman.  Why is he so intent on trying to find a scapegoat/explanation for Cora's crime.  His interest in her is sick, twisted and unrealistic, making the entire story preposterous.  The show only has eight episodes but as someone pointed out upthread, four episodes is way more than enough for this story.

My husband made a good point I hadn't thought about after this week's episode. In one of Cora's memories, we see someone step on a person's chest, making a God-awful cracking sound. Could it be that the detective's predilection for rough sex and domination could coincide with Cora's lost night in that house? It would explain why they included a seemingly random character attribute such as BDSM to his storyline. Maybe he's so obsessed with her story because he was there the night of July 3 and knows who/what caused all of this.

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I'm still interested. I have no real idea where it's all going, but I find Pullman a reason to watch, and Jacob Pitts a reason to keep watching. JD is clearly not a good guy, but he's so pretty.

The Munchausen idea with the sister,  and Pullman's character being somehow involved in the crime are interesting theories. I don't really think he is, but it is fairly baffling why he's so obsessed in this case.

On ‎8‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 9:16 AM, Sammich said:

I thought the mom said Phoebe died from lymphoma.  Am I imagining that? If that's the case, I don't see how she could just be "dead" to the mom as opposed to really being dead.  

She did say that. But at this point, I feel like EVERYONE on the show is an unreliable character, so I really have no idea what's true and what isn't.

I'm in for the next four episodes, and not in a hate watching way. I'm intrigued.

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19 hours ago, Memento Vivere said:

My husband made a good point I hadn't thought about after this week's episode. In one of Cora's memories, we see someone step on a person's chest, making a God-awful cracking sound. Could it be that the detective's predilection for rough sex and domination could coincide with Cora's lost night in that house? It would explain why they included a seemingly random character attribute such as BDSM to his storyline. Maybe he's so obsessed with her story because he was there the night of July 3 and knows who/what caused all of this.

If that is true, why would he want her to remember anything about his involvement?

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Good point. I just think that there has to be some connection between the cop's fetish world and the fact that it looks like Cora was involved with something similar the night she was with Maddie. I believe the cop's sex life has to be significant for some reason, otherwise why would they spend so much time on it?

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I'm intrigued, too. The only thing I'm questioning (well, more than one thing, but I'm letting those unfold) is when Ambrose found Maddie's info in the system (DMV, I guess) and showed it to his partner (along with the map of the water towers). It sounded like he said Maddie is 21 (and not dead, or he'd have said so), which would have made her 16 at the time when she, JD and Cora were together, at a bar, no less. So yeah, JD's shady as hell (obviously). But maybe Ambrose said 31? How old is Cora supposed to be?

I also think that was Maddie at JD's house. The body in the woods? No idea.

Count me among another former kid who lived near some woods that had a rotted out car. Trees and all manner of vegetation grew all through it. Fascinating and strange.

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18 hours ago, Memento Vivere said:

Good point. I just think that there has to be some connection between the cop's fetish world and the fact that it looks like Cora was involved with something similar the night she was with Maddie. I believe the cop's sex life has to be significant for some reason, otherwise why would they spend so much time on it?

I thought maybe it was just that he was established as a masochist, and that nobody else would do the work to dig for what was really wrong, in a case where the woman plead guilty, and was ready to go away for what she did. 

I haven't been paying as much attention to the show, or the boards, so I don't remember that theory (that he was involved somehow). Reviewers of the book did say there were some big twists, though. 

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Yeah, not sure about this show. A lot of things seem ridiculous. Like going back to July 3-4 of 2012 and everyone remembering back....was it five years back, are we in 2017 on show???? And this latest episode the girls are watching porn on a laptop. If Cora is 25ish in 2017, not sure she would have had a laptop as a kid. Definitely not in her super religious uptight mom household. There is so much more that is off...lazy writing. But I'm curious what happened so will keep watching. For now.

On 8/28/2017 at 2:50 PM, BigBlueMastiff said:

If that is true, why would he want her to remember anything about his involvement?

He might be getting off on her torment in trying to remember.

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I'm more intrigued by Bill Pullman's character, though I don't think there's any connection.  They must have very few homicides to let him spend this much time on a slam-dunk.

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On ‎8‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 9:55 AM, SunnyBeBe said:

I watched this from the beginning, but, now......I'm not sure I can stay with it.  So much potential, but, ..........

I can't remember the name of the "limited series" where the man spent years trying to track down where his little boy had disappeared to.  (In Season Two, the detective from the original case spent years trying to solve the mystery of a kidnapped child who escaped and came home as a young adult.)

Anyway, I watched the first two episodes, skipped all the middle dead-ends/red herrings and watched the finale.  Worked out great--riddle solved.

That system would probably be sufficient for this show, too.

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I can't remember what various comments I'm reacting to at this point so I'm just tossing all of it out in one go.

Pullman's character was able to spot  the body because of the mushrooms in conjunction with the shape of the disturbed ground.  I don't have the link handy anymore but the mushroom thing is something that will really happen as I learned from googling around after a particularly whacked out episode of Hannibal.

 

My current assumption (I won't get to see episode 5 until later tonight) is that Cora's initial dream about having her own chest stepped on was some sort of guilt dream and that the later flash we saw of her doing the stepping on Maddy's chest is closer to reality.  So right now, I'm thinking that she and Maddy were hunted and eventually caught and her would-be husband (who guilt married her later and was injured thus requiring the cane during the assault somehow), JD, and whomever else forced her to kill Maddy that way and Maddy is who is in the grave.  I'm inclined to think her sister was involved somehow (assuming Maddy isn't just a weird false memory of her sister somehow, an idea I like but can't make track with events right now) since that kid was shady AF and died a month or two later according to their mother. And for no particular reason at all, I also thought of the Munchausen by proxy syndrome during the childhood flashbacks. 

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On 8/31/2017 at 9:34 AM, candall said:

I can't remember the name of the "limited series" where the man spent years trying to track down where his little boy had disappeared to.  (In Season Two, the detective from the original case spent years trying to solve the mystery of a kidnapped child who escaped and came home as a young adult.)

Anyway, I watched the first two episodes, skipped all the middle dead-ends/red herrings and watched the finale.  Worked out great--riddle solved.

That system would probably be sufficient for this show, too.

I'm a glutton for punishment unfortunately.

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