Nalan May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 From TV Guide: Jay picks up the pieces after Manny's father takes him out to celebrate graduation. The family prepares for Luke and Manny's big day. Comment on tonight's season finale here. Link to comment
useryikes May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 This was a pretty decent episode. Of course it's a decent episode any time Benjamin Bratt shows up. I've liked the last 3 episodes, so I hope they are back on track. 4 Link to comment
Nordly Beaumont May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 I liked the Jay and Manny bit at the end. Sweet. Loved "Nice car, Grey Gardens!" The Lily stuff was weird. But I love the way Jesse Tyler Ferguson moves and when he couldn't decide how to storm off, I was cracking up! 4 Link to comment
Artsda May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 That was a good finale. I laughed at Cam and Mitch having no idea about Lily at all. With how self-centered they are and they don't seem to know where she is most of the time it fits. LOL at "She's popular?" Really liked Manny acknowledging Jay as his father at the end and Jay calling him son. It's Jay that got him through highschool and was there everyday, liked that they put in a nod to that. LOL at Luke's manipulation of his parents. 17 Link to comment
voiceover May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 A few decent moments, and anytime Benjamin Bratt is on, my interest spikes. But my favorite part of this ep was the George Clooney Nespresso ad that followed it. *sigh* 7 Link to comment
Traveller519 May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 Not unlike The Big Bang Theory, I have to tip my hat to everyone involved for putting together a very good season finale (coming after what were both better seasons than they've had recently). Dry Phil at graduation was probably my favourite part, "this is tearing my apart inside" but mostly everything worked. Claire playing with the kid at the gymnastics center was peculiar, but Gloria's dialogue acknowledged it. I like when they chose to play her with some nuance. Jay, you big softy. 6 Link to comment
blaase May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 It's just not believable that two gorgeous people like Bratt and Vergara would make a short dumpy kid like Manny. 14 Link to comment
NutMeg May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 This one hit me hard, which I never saw coming. My son is graduating this month and boy, if there was a way to be cried out, I'd do anything. The last thing I want is to make a spectacle of myself and embarrass him, mostly, but I'm that woman who had to sneak out of the auditorium at his freaking *kindergarten* graduation when a younger class started singing Auld Lang Syne, so looks like I may soon beat Phil and Claire in the emotional department... 7 Link to comment
Bobbin May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 3 hours ago, Artsda said: Really liked Manny acknowledging Jay as his father at the end and Jay calling him son. In the ep when Manny applied to a private academy and fell apart during the interview, Manny's biggest concern was disappointing Jay, and Jay assured him that he couldn't be prouder of him if Manny was his biological son. There is a lot about their children that parents don't know. I saw that with my stepkids. But Cam and Mitch knowing NOTHING about Lily was hilarious, including a picture of her shaking hands with the governor! 14 Link to comment
DarkRaichu May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 Not sure if it was the intention of the writers, but the part where Phil toasted and said something about the kids going out to the real world cracked me up. Say what you want Phil, we all know those kids are coming back next season to live with their respective parents for whatever contrived reasons. :D :D :D Cam & Mitch lucked out Lily is an independent & smart girl. Not only did they not pay attention to her & her achievements, they even thought she was dumb? WTF was that? What kind of play place allowed perfect strangers to play with little kids like that? Good thing Gloria was there to call Claire out :P Manny and Jay were great together 8 Link to comment
hoodooznoodooz May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 52 minutes ago, DarkRaichu said: Not sure if it was the intention of the writers, but the part where Phil toasted and said something about the kids going out to the real world cracked me up. Say what you want Phil, we all know those kids are coming back next season to live with their respective parents for whatever contrived reasons. :D :D :D Cam & Mitch lucked out Lily is an independent & smart girl. Not only did they not pay attention to her & her achievements, they even thought she was dumb? WTF was that? What kind of play place allowed perfect strangers to play with little kids like that? Good thing Gloria was there to call Claire out :P Manny and Jay were great together I think I am relieved that they didn't play the Well, she's Asian, we all assumed that she was smart card. Loved the way Haley laughed after the two hands tightly wound ticks: Alex? joke 6 Link to comment
DrSpaceman73 May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 1 hour ago, DarkRaichu said: Not sure if it was the intention of the writers, but the part where Phil toasted and said something about the kids going out to the real world cracked me up. Say what you want Phil, we all know those kids are coming back next season to live with their respective parents for whatever contrived reasons. :D :D :D Cam & Mitch lucked out Lily is an independent & smart girl. Not only did they not pay attention to her & her achievements, they even thought she was dumb? WTF was that? What kind of play place allowed perfect strangers to play with little kids like that? Good thing Gloria was there to call Claire out :P Manny and Jay were great together Yes the part about Lilly confused me. I never got the impression from the show she was dumb. I thought she was at least above average intelligence. Maybe not genius, but certainly not dumb. Or unpopular. That seemed to come out of nowhere. Agree about Claire and the boy too. Adults can just go in and play with the kids? That is creepy. 9 Link to comment
AriAu May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 so what was the bigger WTF moment: 1. Javier taking Manny to a strip club....and getting him in....and then Jay getting him in a 2nd time 2. Mitch/Cam not knowing Lily was smart-nice continuity show since several times in the last few seasons you mentioned she was smart and working so hard, of course she is since she is Asian. At least discovering everything in the close was fairly funny 3. Jay thinking it was appropriate to break out scotch to drink with Manny for his HIGH SCHOOL graduation., 4. Gloria being mad Javier took him to strip club and not that he got him hammered for his HIGH SCHOOL graduation 5. Claire being able to just wander into the ballpit place (but I did love and "tomorrow we will both have pink eye" line) 6. Joe NOT being the hardest kid to understand-since when did Lily mumble so much and I listened 5 times and still don't know what she said as she walked out the door. OR 7. Sophie Vergara's accent going all over the place, but at least she wasn't shrieking the whole time. 8 Link to comment
DrSpaceman73 May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 I don't really have a problem with Jay giving Manny scotch for high school graduation. He wasn't going to give him much. No idea how Manny got into a strip club though. Fake ID? But then how did he get back in with Jay? 3 Link to comment
qtpye May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 6 hours ago, blaase said: It's just not believable that two gorgeous people like Bratt and Vergara would make a short dumpy kid like Manny. It is a little jarring, but I will say this episode was the first time I have liked Manny in a long time. Once the actor lost his little kid cuteness, it seemed he lost all his acting skills. The character was obnoxious, with his barely hidden preference for "hot girls" while pretending he was guy who looked at substance (not to mention not exactly "hot" himself). His lack of any artistic skill, but insisting upon his special snow flake status. Manny also loves and feels entitled to live the high life (expensive cappuccino makers, high end bath salts, etc.) without ever thinking about costs (even Hailey pretended to have a job waitressing in high school). It was even harder watching all this with Gloria constantly fawning all over him about his awesomeness. However, he showed some growth tonight and real emotion. I am glad that he appreciates what Jay has done for him and that he put in the hard work of parenting, every day. I love Benjamin Bratt. 9 Link to comment
luna1122 May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 Didn't Benjamin Bratt's character get married? To Paget Brewster? Or did that not happen, or are we supposed to not recall that? "nice car, Grey Gardens' made me laugh and laugh. As did Gloria's 'negligent parent' and Claire's 'pinkeye' comments. Joe made me laugh too, with all his imagined woes and boo boos. 8 Link to comment
DrSpaceman73 May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 28 minutes ago, luna1122 said: Didn't Benjamin Bratt's character get married? To Paget Brewster? Or did that not happen, or are we supposed to not recall that? "nice car, Grey Gardens' made me laugh and laugh. As did Gloria's 'negligent parent' and Claire's 'pinkeye' comments. Joe made me laugh too, with all his imagined woes and boo boos. Yes to both your questions. He did get married and we are supposed to forget it happened. 2 Link to comment
vibeology May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 2 hours ago, DarkRaichu said: Cam & Mitch lucked out Lily is an independent & smart girl. Not only did they not pay attention to her & her achievements, they even thought she was dumb? WTF was that? That was so annoying. Why would anyone think Lily isn't smart? Not only Cam & Mitch but Claire too thought Lily wasn't bright. Have none of them ever had a conversation with her? She has a huge vocabulary, is quick and demonstrates keen problem solving skills. Plus Mitch & Cam would be getting report cards. I know sometimes in elementary school they don't use standard grades but you'd still have a sense if Lily was doing better than expectations. I didn't mind that they had no clue about her social life since kids can be pretty private about that sort of thing but not knowing that she's smart? Unbelievable. 1 hour ago, AriAu said: 3. Jay thinking it was appropriate to break out scotch to drink with Manny for his HIGH SCHOOL graduation., 4. Gloria being mad Javier took him to strip club and not that he got him hammered for his HIGH SCHOOL graduation The drinking isn't shocking. Manny has been caught throwing parties with alcohol before. I think everyone of the adults in his life knows that he drinks. Javier getting his son wasted before a big event and taking him to a strip club was bad but Jay's scotch didn't bother me at all. We saw at the end how much Jay poured for Manny and it was a small drink and a nice way to commemorate a big life event. I can't remember if we know when Manny's birthday is but there's a good chance he's 18. I know that's not legal to drink (though it should be and I have a rant on that) but it certainly suggests that Jay and Gloria are okay with Manny making those choices for himself. 7 Link to comment
readster May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 25 minutes ago, vibeology said: That was so annoying. Why would anyone think Lily isn't smart? Not only Cam & Mitch but Claire too thought Lily wasn't bright. Have none of them ever had a conversation with her? She has a huge vocabulary, is quick and demonstrates keen problem solving skills. Plus Mitch & Cam would be getting report cards. I know sometimes in elementary school they don't use standard grades but you'd still have a sense if Lily was doing better than expectations. I didn't mind that they had no clue about her social life since kids can be pretty private about that sort of thing but not knowing that she's smart? Unbelievable. The drinking isn't shocking. Manny has been caught throwing parties with alcohol before. I think everyone of the adults in his life knows that he drinks. Javier getting his son wasted before a big event and taking him to a strip club was bad but Jay's scotch didn't bother me at all. We saw at the end how much Jay poured for Manny and it was a small drink and a nice way to commemorate a big life event. I can't remember if we know when Manny's birthday is but there's a good chance he's 18. I know that's not legal to drink (though it should be and I have a rant on that) but it certainly suggests that Jay and Gloria are okay with Manny making those choices for himself. Yeah, there would also be PT conferences with Cam and Mitch over the years from kinder to now. Especially, being this close to MS. So, how anyone could think Lilly wasn't bright is beyond me. Even Jay has commented many times the last few years how smart she is and how clever she is. So, to think that Cam, Mitch and Claire are that self absorbed or centered they never realized this is too much. I mean, them arguing at the beginning about painting the house white was stupid. Not to mention, a full white room? I know Lily is a pre-teen, but why do these two keep thinking bringing white when they have people coming into their house. Dropping food and so forth is a smart idea? Puts the couch and one door frame from a few years to go shame. These guys do not know how to think ahead. Especially with Cam trying to hide the vacation money, I mean, he just hoped that Mitch would see the account was not 0. For Manny getting plastered at the strip club and losing his garb, I know his bio-dad is a charmer and doesn't think first, but he really thought that was a good idea? In a way, I liked that Joe was jealous that Manny was getting all the attention because of graduating and being the valadictorian. Because the last two years, it has been that Manny wanted to leave Joe in the backyard to fend for himself. Of course, Joe is related to Mitch, he is very clingy and self centered. They are brothers. 2 Link to comment
joanne3482 May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 2 hours ago, AriAu said: 1. Javier taking Manny to a strip club....and getting him in....and then Jay getting him in a 2nd time 3. Jay thinking it was appropriate to break out scotch to drink with Manny for his HIGH SCHOOL graduation., 4. Gloria being mad Javier took him to strip club and not that he got him hammered for his HIGH SCHOOL graduation I was okay with the little scotch to celebrate the graduation. We were allowed sips of beer as kids. I'm not going to google strip club laws in CA from my work computer, but even if he's 18 and can get in a strip club in CA, he still can't drink unless he has a fake ID and that was a problem for me too. I know Javier wants to be the "fun" parent, but I don't know. 3 Link to comment
Blakeston May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 I can buy Manny being served alcohol, even though he's way below the legal drinking age. As they pointed out earlier this season, if you didn't know Manny was a kid, you'd probably think he was forty. What I can't figure out is why it was necessary for Luke to go through with that deception. He said his parents would never have let him keep the car - but why not? He bought it with his own money. He's an adult now, or at least extremely close to it. And it's LA, where you pretty much need a car to get anywhere. Would they really have forced him to sell it? That storyline would have made a lot more sense if he was younger. 2 Link to comment
mojito May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 Unless laws have changed in the last 13 years, in Texas, you can serve a kid alcohol if the parent is with him and approves. If the parent gets up to go to the bathroom, you have to remove the alcohol until the parent returns. Lots of good lines in this episode. Love Joey's collapse when Sophia asked him if he could walk on a broken leg. And Cam and Mitch's cluelessness about their daughter. Not knowing just how smart your kid is does happen. She gets straight As, you're proud. But then one day, you learn that your child tested genius, and you're stunned. 3 Link to comment
CleoCaesar May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 Aww, okay, I loved the episode. It had a great blend of the family and everything was balanced (no totally separate subplots). The Jay/Manny father-son moment was the highlight. Theirs is one of my favorite relationships on the show. A true testament to Ed O'Neill, since Manny and Rico are my least favorite aspect of the entire show. "Nice car, Grey Gardens" is a line I will be using in real life from now on. Mitch and Cam have always been fairly crappy parents so I suppose them not knowing anything about Lily was in-character. Phil is adorable, easily my favorite character. Never change, Phil. 8 Link to comment
indeed May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 He was engaged, but did Javier ever marry that museum curator lady? I can't remember if Manny ever said anything about his step-mom. I think we're just supposed to forget about that development. Not that it really means anything, but I don't think Javier was wearing a ring. There was that one episode where Lily's friend was so gifted, it made her look not so smart. Cam and Mitch used to brag about how smart she was when she was really young. Lily can't sing, but I don't remember her lately being unremarkable smarts-wise to the point of them being so dumbfounded. And, sure, Mitchell may have his issues, but he has an advanced education and is a successful lawyer. Lily could do worse than be more like Mitchell (for instance, be more like Cam). 3 Link to comment
biakbiak May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 It was nice that they dedicated the episode to Rico's dad. 20 Link to comment
Bobbin May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 1 hour ago, indeed said: There was that one episode where Lily's friend was so gifted, it made her look not so smart The other girl was artistic, but everything else was the result of her having an eidetic memory -- instant, "photographic" recall. Link to comment
meep.meep May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 5 hours ago, DrSpaceman73 said: Yes to both your questions. He did get married and we are supposed to forget it happened. Excuse me - we *choose* to forget it happened. So we can get more Benjamin Bratt scenes with his shirt unbuttoned. This would have made a nice series finale. 7 Link to comment
indeed May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 Didn't Lily also lose a shoe or have it on the wrong foot or something like that? It's just the only time I can remember one of her parents thinking maybe she's not the smartest kid ever (aside from Luke calling her a parrot when Cam was trying to convince the family she knew square roots - Luke has his moments LOL). 2 Link to comment
tennisgurl May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 So we get in show confirmation that Cam and Mitch are totally self absorbed, and apparently know nothing about their own kid! Nice to know that the show is aware. I thought it was pretty funny how Lily has this whole life that they don't know about, but them not knowing she was smart was weird to me. Its not like she's Luke, why is it so weird that she's academically advanced? She's never seems stupid before. Blunt, but not stupid. If I was a parent taking my kid to that ball pit place, I would be very concerned that random adults are allowed to just walk in and play with children. And that kids parents are horribly negligent, I'm with Gloria on that one. Pretty good episode over all, especially with Phil being too dried out to cry at the graduation. I love Phil. Although, he really shouldn't be going on about how self sufficient their kids are. There has yet to exist a group of kids less able to function outside of their parents houses. 9 Link to comment
Perkie May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 This was one of the better episodes they've had in a while. I actually laughed out loud in several spots, which is rare nowadays. Jay to Javier: I see you left so quickly you didn't have time to button your shirt" Claire: And tomorrow, we'll both have pink eye. Joe: Look at me, I'm about to talk to a stranger As someone who has a teenage son, graduating in 5 weeks and leaving home for college in the fall, the Phil story hit close to home. Also, as someone with a nine year old who's jealous of the attention her brother has been having and will have over the next few months, I could also relate to the Gloria/joe story. However, the Cam/Mitch story rang false. I freely admit that Im a helicopter parent, but I have to believe that they've seen report cards and gone to parent teacher interviews. Finding out that Lily is smart, they should have already known. If they didn't know she was popular, maybe, but smart, I don't beleive. 8 Link to comment
biakbiak May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 39 minutes ago, Perkie said: they didn't know she was popular, maybe, but smart, I don't beleive. Early this season there was a plot devoted to the fact that they new the dynamics of her social life well enough to know which popular girl they needed to impress so Lilly would be in with the in crowd so that also didn't make sense. 5 Link to comment
Beezella May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 There was a little bit that would have been easy to miss: Joe to Claire at the commencement ceremony, holding up his pristine elbow, "Look at my boo boo!" (or similar) Claire is all sympathetic. Then Joe gives the most cutting glare to his mom. Best acting from him yet. 12 Link to comment
Cherry Cola May 18, 2017 Share May 18, 2017 I thought Cam and Mitchell not knowing anything about Lilly was dumb. She is supposed to be in 4 th grade. So, they would have to drive her places and pay for her activities. It's not like she is a teen with a car. So that made no sense to me. At all. The episode wasn't as bad as they have been. I finished the season, so now I am done with the show. I will miss the great cast though. Too bad the writers suck ass. 3 Link to comment
Bobbin May 19, 2017 Share May 19, 2017 9 hours ago, tennisgurl said: Pretty good episode over all, especially with Phil being too dried out to cry at the graduation. I love Phil. Although, he really shouldn't be going on about how self sufficient their kids are. There has yet to exist a group of kids less able to function outside of their parents houses. Surprisingly, Luke is really the most resourceful one. But I still laugh thinking about his suggesting that he and Manny trade girlfriends. "They're identical twins -- they'll never notice the difference!" And his chasing after his grandfather's RV and Phil shouting, "Luke! Stay! Stay!" 3 Link to comment
wait.what May 19, 2017 Share May 19, 2017 I totally get the Lily thing. My daughter is very quirky ( I hate the word weird), sometimes it's hard to see the genius behind all of the quirkiness. she called her father Roger for about a year. His name is NOT roger. Once I found her collecting her hair out of her hairbrush to make a wig for a Barbie she had previously cut off all of the hair. When she was 3, I woke at 2am to find she had removed EVERYTHING from our pantry and built an entire store in our living room. At age 4, I thought she had been kid napped. (Scariest moment of my life) It was 4 in the morning. We found her outside sleeping with the dogs because "they were lonely". haha 15 Link to comment
Nalan May 19, 2017 Author Share May 19, 2017 My parents went through the same range of emotions with me and my brother when we graduated as Phil and Claire (and even Haley and Alex later on!) were going through with Luke, so I totally bought their reactions. I, too, am confused as to how Cam and Mitch seriously didn't understand how brilliant and bright Lily was. But at least they let her skip to sixth grade at the end of the episode. Jay and Manny's moment near the end was very touching and sweet. Probably one of my favorite parts of the episode. Of course, finding out that Luke outsmarted Phil and Claire was probably even better than that. Luke outsmarting someone? Didn't see that coming! 2 Link to comment
MoreCoffeePlease May 19, 2017 Share May 19, 2017 On 5/17/2017 at 10:04 PM, Nordly Beaumont said: But I love the way Jesse Tyler Ferguson moves and when he couldn't decide how to storm off, I was cracking up Totally. Mitch and Cam usually annoy the heck out of me, but this argument was funny and also revealing about Mitchell's character. Cam had some great facial expressions during the whole scene. What colors was Mitchell trying to choose between? 2 different shades of off-white? Being indecisive about paint is something that I can relate to. 2 Link to comment
Shermie May 19, 2017 Share May 19, 2017 It was a pretty good episode, mainly because the usually annoying things weren't happening - Gloria screeching, Cam and Mitch bickering, Manny being creepy-weird. With all of Claire's talk about the kids growing up, her cuteness with Joe, and then playing with the stranger kid, I thought, please no, do not have her find out she's pregnant. So far, so good. I don't understand why someone - even Phil - would be so weepy about a high school graduation. Quote Didn't Benjamin Bratt's character get married? To Paget Brewster? Or did that not happen, or are we supposed to not recall that? Did he say he was single? I might have missed that. Otherwise, he could be married and still go to a strip club. 3 Link to comment
luna1122 May 19, 2017 Share May 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Shermie said: With all of Claire's talk about the kids growing up, her cuteness with Joe, and then playing with the stranger kid, I thought, please no, do not have her find out she's pregnant. So far, so good. I was pretty certain it was going there too: slightly "older: lady with kids gone, or almost suddenly knocked up, ala blackish. Please, just no. 3 minutes ago, Shermie said: I don't understand why someone - even Phil - would be so weepy about a high school graduation. Did he say he was single? I might have missed that. Otherwise, he could be married and still go to a strip club. My wondering about his marital state had nothing to do with the strip club. I just wondered if he actually did marry the character Paget Brewster played. I'd assume, since Manny liked her so much, she'd come to his graduation too, but there wasn't even a mention. But whatever. 2 Link to comment
LucyEth May 19, 2017 Share May 19, 2017 I thought the episode was just okay. Manny and Luke are both weird. I think all the kids have outgrown their usefulness on the show. Such a big deal made about a high school graduation. I liked some of the Manny Jay stuff. Found it disturbing that Cam and Mitch know so little about their daughter. Oh well, on to next season. 4 Link to comment
anna0852 May 19, 2017 Share May 19, 2017 Since Padget is back on Criminal Minds she probably won't be here again. But I did think it was a sweet episode. 1 Link to comment
qtpye May 19, 2017 Share May 19, 2017 21 minutes ago, LucyEth said: I thought the episode was just okay. Manny and Luke are both weird. I think all the kids have outgrown their usefulness on the show. Such a big deal made about a high school graduation. I liked some of the Manny Jay stuff. Found it disturbing that Cam and Mitch know so little about their daughter. Oh well, on to next season. I wonder if the writer's had an idea when they wrote the characters of Manny and Luke, to sort of cast them as an odd couple comedy duo later in the series, since both boys are the same age. However, once the guys lost their adorableness, neither grew up to be good actors, so they had to scratch that plan? 4 Link to comment
DrSpaceman73 May 20, 2017 Share May 20, 2017 The other line I liked was when they made the comment about how the orthopedic surgeons didn't need a high school education 2 Link to comment
backformore May 20, 2017 Share May 20, 2017 On 5/18/2017 at 7:06 AM, AriAu said: so what was the bigger WTF moment: 1. Javier taking Manny to a strip club....and getting him in....and then Jay getting him in a 2nd time 2. Mitch/Cam not knowing Lily was smart-nice continuity show since several times in the last few seasons you mentioned she was smart and working so hard, of course she is since she is Asian. At least discovering everything in the close was fairly funny 3. Jay thinking it was appropriate to break out scotch to drink with Manny for his HIGH SCHOOL graduation., 4. Gloria being mad Javier took him to strip club and not that he got him hammered for his HIGH SCHOOL graduation 5. Claire being able to just wander into the ballpit place (but I did love and "tomorrow we will both have pink eye" line) 6. Joe NOT being the hardest kid to understand-since when did Lily mumble so much and I listened 5 times and still don't know what she said as she walked out the door. OR 7. Sophie Vergara's accent going all over the place, but at least she wasn't shrieking the whole time. I agree with all of these. Giving a high school graduate a taste of scotch, ok, I guess. But a strip club and getting drunk? Is the show really normalizing underage drinking and strip clubs? Mitch and Cam know nothing about their kid? Clare plays with a strange child at a kids play place? Maybe I'm a stickler, but the bad parenting and poor decision making by the adults bothered me. 3 Link to comment
luna1122 May 20, 2017 Share May 20, 2017 Hayley has been shown drinking, smoking weed and having sex while a teen. Alex too, to an extent. The boys sneak drinks too. It's not 'normalizing' anything, I don't think-- right or wrong or whatever, the behaviors ARE actually all pretty normal for a lot of teens. Javier has always been shown to be an irresponsible parent; taking his kid to a strip club isn't supposed to be great behavior, and Jay only took him to get his graduation gear. None of it bothered me, anyway. 8 Link to comment
backformore May 20, 2017 Share May 20, 2017 It bothers me because of the epidemic of underage drinking in high schools and colleges across the country. Kids dying in auto accidents, dying from binge drinking, fraternities forcing pledges to drink large amounts. Teens sneaking drinks - yeah, I'm OK with that being shown on a family show. you're right, it happens. But adults encouraging teens to drink is different. Same with strip clubs - they exist, they're out there. But a family show normalizing a dad taking a kid to see strippers? no, not cool. 1 Link to comment
Tosia May 20, 2017 Share May 20, 2017 Lots to discuss. I get some of Cam and Mitchell's surprise at Lily's intelligence snd popularity. My SO is an absent minded professor--smart but quirky (and ADD), and fun, like the poster above who mentioned the creative things that her daughter did. It's a wonder that they make it through daily life sometimes. Cam and Mitchell seem to be sooooo self-absorbed, that I csn see them focusing on themselves and their parenting issues, during parent-teacher conferences, and maybe taking for granted that Lily was smart-enough for good grades, but not exceptional. Also, they tend to catastrophize any small problem that Lily had, as THEIR failures. Luke and Phil' s emotional trauma-- getting a kid like Luke through high school is a BIG deal. Actually, getting any kid through high school is a land mark of success and RELIEF for most parents , cuz of the beginning of driving, romances, adolescent rebellion, drinking and drugs exposure, not to mention grades or getting them up in the a.m. for school. Phil's also emotional, whereas Clair is the objective, thinking, A type. Manny's looks being the progeny of the beautiful Sophia and Benjamin? Eh, looks sometimes skip generations, plus genetics is a crap shoot. Kid needs to work out though, and grow his hair out. Please MO, give Alex --a not-grumpy, anxious a better story line so she can smile more often and not in a snarky way. Ed is national treasure. 5 Link to comment
DrSpaceman73 May 20, 2017 Share May 20, 2017 Quote I get some of Cam and Mitchell's surprise at Lily's intelligence snd popularity. My SO is an absent minded professor--smart but quirky (and ADD), and fun, like the poster above who mentioned the creative things that her daughter did. It's a wonder that they make it through daily life sometimes. Cam and Mitchell seem to be sooooo self-absorbed, that I csn see them focusing on themselves and their parenting issues, during parent-teacher conferences, and maybe taking for granted that Lily was smart-enough for good grades, but not exceptional. For me it is not Cam and Mitch so much being surprised at it. Yes they are self absorbed and maybe they miss things. But the viewers see her too, most weeks. Its the fact the writers bringing up that idea at all when I have never seen any indication of it on the show from the viewers standpoint. And in fact, just the opposite. She has always seemed to me to be quite astute and quick witted. 1 Link to comment
luna1122 May 20, 2017 Share May 20, 2017 I don't think we're supposed to believe anyone thought Lily was stupid; clearly she's witty and quick. But plenty of smart, quick witted people aren't even great students, let alone skip-a-grade smart. 1 Link to comment
DrSpaceman73 May 20, 2017 Share May 20, 2017 30 minutes ago, luna1122 said: I don't think we're supposed to believe anyone thought Lily was stupid; clearly she's witty and quick. But plenty of smart, quick witted people aren't even great students, let alone skip-a-grade smart. If we aren't supposed to think that then why did her parents and Claire imply it this last episode? Link to comment
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