Joy and Austin: This One Time At Family Camp

[Scarlett45]

Jinger and Jeremy has private texts and engaged in FAR more physical affection than the other courting couples (cuddling on the sofa, hugging more than twice a day etc). They probably kissed before marriage. Rumor has it Joy and Austin had private convos on the phone after 10pm and J.B. did NOT approve. 

[jcbrown]

49 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Jinger and Jeremy has private texts and engaged in FAR more physical affection than the other courting couples (cuddling on the sofa, hugging more than twice a day etc). They probably kissed before marriage. Rumor has it Joy and Austin had private convos on the phone after 10pm and J.B. did NOT approve. 

Were I Joy, I would recommend that JB remove the giant stick from his ass and mind his own business. But I know that is not how these morons think.

[GeeGolly]

The courting rules relaxed a bit form Jill to Jessa, then Jessa to Jinger. Joy and Joe seemed to have wrangled them back in closer to what the Duggars have always spouted.

I think it can go either way by the time they get to Josie - either she'll be living with her partner prior to marriage or she will have taken over for Jana, JB & M and will be wearing high necked, floor length dresses and never be closer than 6" to her intended.

[Caracoa1]

I get a sick feeling that Jim Bob gets off thinking of his virgin daughters on their wedding night.  Also, it's not normal for 8 young adult..teen boys to be sharing a dorm room together...and it appears Jim Bob controls their sexual urges too...get caught relieving themselves and he will tie their hands up for the day for the whole family to see.

[xwordfanatik]

3 minutes ago, Caracoa1 said:

I get a sick feeling that Jim Bob gets off thinking of his virgin daughters on their wedding night.  Also, it's not normal for 8 young adult..teen boys to be sharing a dorm room together...and it appears Jim Bob controls their sexual urges too...get caught relieving themselves and he will tie their hands up for the day for the whole family to see.

ITA.  He is sex-obsessed and a control freak as well.  

[Scarlett45]

6 hours ago, Caracoa1 said:

I get a sick feeling that Jim Bob gets off thinking of his virgin daughters on their wedding night.  Also, it's not normal for 8 young adult..teen boys to be sharing a dorm room together...and it appears Jim Bob controls their sexual urges too...get caught relieving themselves and he will tie their hands up for the day for the whole family to see.

That’s absolute psychological torture. Being caught masturbating has to be embarrassing enough for any teen, and then JB’s sick twisted mind embarrasses them in front of the entire family. WHY?! When Alfred Kinsey conducted his research many years ago people told him similar stories, what type of Parent takes pleasure in their child’s embarrassment and humiliation?

 

Edited November 19, 2017 by Scarlett45

[Arwen Evenstar]

1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

what type of Parent takes pleasure in their child’s embarrassment and humiliation?

Why Jim Boob Duggar, of course!  I’m sorry, was that meant to be a rhetorical question?

[Genevrier]

18 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

what type of Parent takes pleasure in their child’s embarrassment and humiliation?

Narcissistic control freaks. It is abuse, plain and simple, but some if not all of these types genuinely believe they are wonderful parents. (Oh, hello Mother...) 

[Rabbittron]

28 minutes ago, Genevrier said:

Narcissistic control freaks. It is abuse, plain and simple, but some if not all of these types genuinely believe they are wonderful parents. (Oh, hello Mother...) 

At first I was thinking that you were talking about my gramdmother who treated my mom that way.

[Lunera]

I never believed Joystin did anything before marriage. The only way I see her delivering early is from medical complications due to not having prenatal care. I have a feeling Joy will have a rough birth.

[bigskygirl]

2 hours ago, Genevrier said:

Narcissistic control freaks. It is abuse, plain and simple, but some if not all of these types genuinely believe they are wonderful parents. (Oh, hello Mother...) 

You have not met my mother have you. She told me I deserved all the abuse I got, and she would have better off without me. Mother of the Year material.

[mynextmistake]

On 11/19/2017 at 0:09 PM, Scarlett45 said:

That’s absolute psychological torture. Being caught masturbating has to be embarrassing enough for any teen, and then JB’s sick twisted mind embarrasses them in front of the entire family. WHY?! When Alfred Kinsey conducted his research many years ago people told him similar stories, what type of Parent takes pleasure in their child’s embarrassment and humiliation?

 

Setting aside the fact that JimBob is a sadist who karma should push into the nearest combine, how are the boys getting caught? Don’t these kids get ANY private time? I know they aren’t allowed to sleep alone, but do they have an accountability partner when they’re in the shower? On the crapper? In the prayer closet? 

Sorry if that last image is sacreligious to some, but i’m thinking that somewhere in the history of Duggar teendom there has been a kid who was that desperate.

[Albanyguy]

52 minutes ago, mynextmistake said:

Don’t these kids get ANY private time? I know they aren’t allowed to sleep alone, but do they have an accountability partner when they’re in the shower? On the crapper? In the prayer closet? 

Don't underestimate the level of paranoia and suspicion that must rule the TTH. A kid may not actually be followed into the bathroom, but someone is probably watching and timing him and getting ready to tattle: "Dad, he's been in there for over ten minutes! Jesus laid it on my heart that he must be up to something ungodly in there!". I'll bet the kids have learned that the best way to get some positive attention and affection from their parents is by ratting out their siblings for perceived infractions.

[Marigold]

2 hours ago, mynextmistake said:

Setting aside the fact that JimBob is a sadist who karma should push into the nearest combine, how are the boys getting caught? Don’t these kids get ANY private time? I know they aren’t allowed to sleep alone, but do they have an accountability partner when they’re in the shower? On the crapper? In the prayer closet? 

Sorry if that last image is sacreligious to some, but i’m thinking that somewhere in the history of Duggar teendom there has been a kid who was that desperate.

Josh didn't get caught for a while with the porn and who knows what else.  Then the molestation of his sisters...Jim Bob and Michelle didn't catch that either. Jim Bob and Michelle THINK they have the kids under control but they have minimal idea what is going on. 

Jinger was face timing Jeremy on her phone during the fake camping survival episode.  Jim Bob was not involved in that facetime session.  So much for "mama and daddy are in a group text with us".  Yeah right.  They all had cell phones.  I have teens.  I don't pretend to know what the heck my teens are doing anymore!   I try but technology makes it impossible.  I'm down the faith and trust at the moment.  ;)

[Scarlett45]

1 hour ago, Albanyguy said:

Don't underestimate the level of paranoia and suspicion that must rule the TTH. A kid may not actually be followed into the bathroom, but someone is probably watching and timing him and getting ready to tattle: "Dad, he's been in there for over ten minutes! Jesus laid it on my heart that he must be up to something ungodly in there!". I'll bet the kids have learned that the best way to get some positive attention and affection from their parents is by ratting out their siblings for perceived infractions.

I mean in normal households people walk in on each other in their bedroom/bathroom on accident (lock broken/person forgot to lock it in a rush to pee)- they yell “excuse me” or “sorry” and quickly close the door! Given JB and his control freak tendencies, plus the sheer number of people in that house even at the moment (only 6 kids have gotten married and they have Tyler), I see how a lack of privacy is a problem. 

[Genevrier]

19 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

You have not met my mother have you. She told me I deserved all the abuse I got, and she would have better off without me. Mother of the Year material.

Mine told me everyone would be better off if I had not been born. I’ll meet you in the Prayer Closet with a couple of bottles of wine, and we can toast to surviving our MOTY’s. ??

[ChiCricket]

6 hours ago, Albanyguy said:

Don't underestimate the level of paranoia and suspicion that must rule the TTH. A kid may not actually be followed into the bathroom, but someone is probably watching and timing him and getting ready to tattle: "Dad, he's been in there for over ten minutes! Jesus laid it on my heart that he must be up to something ungodly in there!". I'll bet the kids have learned that the best way to get some positive attention and affection from their parents is by ratting out their siblings for perceived infractions.

This is indelicate, but how do you even get to poop in a house with umpteen kids, one bathroom, and little to no natural fiber in what you eat? It's not like they can even wait until they go to school to do it..they were there at home all.dang.day.

Edited November 21, 2017 by ChiCricket

[Rabbittron]

On November 20, 2017 at 11:04 AM, bigskygirl said:

You have not met my mother have you. She told me I deserved all the abuse I got, and she would have better off without me. Mother of the Year material.

 Sounds like what my grandmother did to my mother in fact when the divorce hearing was held she was there and told the Judge that my mom was unfit and that my dad should have custody. In fact to honor my grandparents we got married on the same day they did and until the day she died she always told me I ruined her wedding day ?

[mynextmistake]

1 hour ago, ChiCricket said:

This is indelicate, but how do you even get to poop in a house with umpteen kids, one bathroom, and little to no natural fiber in what you eat? It's not like they can even wait until they go to school to do it..they were there at home all.dang.day.

I think the TTH has more than one bathroom? I remember People or somesuch ran a story on the plans and there is at least one in the girls’ dorm, one in the boys’ dorm, one in Jim Bob and Michelle’s room, and a “public” one off the schoolroom. I also remember that when they interviewed Gil Bates he said that until about 5 years ago the Bateses made do with one bathroom and an outhouse for emergencies. 

[louannems]

3 minutes ago, mynextmistake said:

I think the TTH has more than one bathroom? I remember People or somesuch ran a story on the plans and there is at least one in the girls’ dorm, one in the boys’ dorm, one in Jim Bob and Michelle’s room, and a “public” one off the schoolroom. I also remember that when they interviewed Gil Bates he said that until about 5 years ago the Bateses made do with one bathroom and an outhouse for emergencies. 

I read somewhere that TTH has SEVEN bathrooms!

Two in the girl's dorm, two in the boy's dorm, one in the master suite, and two downstairs.

 

However, before TLC, the tiny house, which was crammed with kids, had only two bathrooms.

[ChiCricket]

10 minutes ago, louannems said:

I read somewhere that TTH has SEVEN bathrooms!

Two in the girl's dorm, two in the boy's dorm, one in the master suite, and two downstairs.

 

However, before TLC, the tiny house, which was crammed with kids, had only two bathrooms.

Yes, I should have said I was referring to their old house. Heck, it's just my husband and me (I?) in our house now (and we've since added a bathroom) and I don't know how we survived when we had one bathroom and five kids.

Edited November 21, 2017 by ChiCricket

[Churchhoney]

8 hours ago, mynextmistake said:

Setting aside the fact that JimBob is a sadist who karma should push into the nearest combine, how are the boys getting caught? Don’t these kids get ANY private time? I know they aren’t allowed to sleep alone, but do they have an accountability partner when they’re in the shower? On the crapper? In the prayer closet? 

Sorry if that last image is sacreligious to some, but i’m thinking that somewhere in the history of Duggar teendom there has been a kid who was that desperate.

I grew up in a house where only the head bitches in charge were allowed to shut the bathroom door and no doors had locks. So just about anything is possible when the powers that be are control-freak-y narcissists. And, no, you don't get any private time in situations like that. Many people in those situations learn to masturbate quickly and with a minimum of fuss, I think. Not that satisfying, but much better than not doing it at all.

Puts you in a very very strange situation as an adult, when it comes to understanding boundaries, too, because you were permitted to have none. Leaves you either completely defenseless to intrusion and massively intrusive to others or so burned out on intrusiveness that you refuse to let anybody within a million miles of you. Sometimes both at once. 

These things are bad enough in a normal-sized family. Can't imagine the horrors of it in a house with 19 kids. 

[mynextmistake]

3 minutes ago, ChiCricket said:

Yes, I should have said I was referring to their old house. Heck, it's just my husband and me (I?) in our house now (and we've since added a bathroom) and I don't know how we survived when we had one bathroom and five kids.

I know this is totally a privileged American problem, but there were 6 of us, all with some variant of IBS, in a one-bathroom house when I was growing up. It got bad enough that my grandfather was looking into adding a toilet (just a toilet, not a bathroom) in the *coat closet* but fortunately my dad got a job soon after that so we could afford to move to a place with two bathrooms. 

[queenanne]

Yeah, one bathroom for five sounds grim but two for fourteen, sounds hideous and no wonder ‘Duggar Time’ originated.  When we are five in a house at my parents the hot water for bathing has to be carefully negotiated around dishwashing and laundry.

Edited November 21, 2017 by queenanne

[ChiCricket]

6 minutes ago, queenanne said:

Yeah, one bathroom for five sounds grim but two for fourteen, sounds hideous and no wonder ‘Duggar Time’ originated.  When we are five in a house at my parents the hot water for bathing has to be carefully negotiated around dishwashing and laundry.

My two sons may have or may not have gone outside once or twice to pee on a (secluded) backyard tree..in the Illinois winter.

Edited November 21, 2017 by ChiCricket

[Jynnan tonnix]

2 hours ago, ChiCricket said:

My two sons may have or may not have gone outside once or twice to pee on a (secluded) backyard tree..in the Illinois winter.

We always had enough bathrooms to go around, but I swear, boy children just like marking their territory sometimes!

[Fosca]

If the Duggar boys (in particular) learned to masturbate in record time to avoid being caught, this doesn't bode well for the sexual satisfaction of their wives.  Most women take more time to orgasm than males, even when the male hasn't trained himself to be a premature ejaculator. Might be another reason the Duggars boys aren't overly popular.

[ariel]

Regarding the Duggars  all crammed in the previous tiny house with only one bathroom - in many states that's illegal.  AR seems to have very little regulations on things so I guess they were able to be under the radar for that.

Did they rent or own the one bathroom house?

Edited November 22, 2017 by ariel

[Sew Sumi]

I'm pretty sure they owned the Johnson Rd. house, sold it to Cross Church, then rented the interim house where they lived while the TTH was being finished. 

[CarolMK]

Is Joy the only one who never announced a due date? For the record, I don't think she's having twins. The Duggars would have made a huge deal out of that and it would have made for an entire Counting On episode.

[Sew Sumi]

Joy apparently told someone at a wedding that her due date is 2/22, but she thinks she'll go late. 

[GeeGolly]

When they were in the tiny 2 bath house I'm guessing many of the kids were in diapers at the same time so they probably never reached all being potty trained there and I'm guessing the toddlers had potty chairs. 

I grew up in a family of six with one bathroom. On the rare occasion we'd have to get creative if someone was taking a bath and someone had to pee. My mom would come in and hold a towel between the tub and toilet. But that was few and far between.

We didn't have air conditioning in our home and most of our earlier cars either. Oh the sacrifices we made. According to Miss Cathy anyway.

[Temperance]

In my mind when you're a celebrity, even a C-list celebrity and especially a lifestyle celebrity I would expect a big public announcement.  Telling someone at a wedding isn't an announcement even when they tell other people. 

2 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Joy apparently told someone at a wedding that her due date is 2/22, but she thinks she'll go late. 

That explains a lot. If she thinks she'll "go late", they probably are worried she'll face the same criticism as her sisters and that's why they aren't making a public announcement. She probably has the same level of care. Sigh.  

It also seems that more people are speculating about whether she did anything before marriage which may boost ratings. Especially if there's no new courtship. 

[Barb23]

20 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Joy apparently told someone at a wedding that her due date is 2/22, but she thinks she'll go late. 

Oh, please let her be late. My birthday is 2/23.

[lianau]

On 20.11.2017 at 4:56 PM, Genevrier said:

Narcissistic control freaks. It is abuse, plain and simple, but some if not all of these types genuinely believe they are wonderful parents. (Oh, hello Mother...) 

That's the reason why I have a hard time hating  Josh. I mean what he did was very bad but he was also just a child growing up with these fucked up parents and with no older brother  he was their male guinea pig while Jana probably served as the female lab rat . 

[bigskygirl]

37 minutes ago, lianau said:

That's the reason why I have a hard time hating  Josh. I mean what he did was very bad but he was also just a child growing up with these fucked up parents and with no older brother  he was their male guinea pig while Jana probably served as the female lab rat . 

No offense, yes he did have two crappy parents, but it did not give him the right to violate his sisters.

[ariel]

22 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Joy apparently told someone at a wedding that her due date is 2/22, but she thinks she'll go late. 

How does she even know this?  This is her first child.  Maybe Dr Jill told her so?

[Sew Sumi]

That's my guess. She assumes that she'll follow in Jill's late footsteps, forgetting that Jessa only went 4 days late with both of hers, not two weeks. 

[ariel]

13 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

That's my guess. She assumes that she'll follow in Jill's late footsteps, forgetting that Jessa only went 4 days late with both of hers, not two weeks. 

Good grief, Joy is as dumb as a box of rocks.

[ginger90]

8 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

No offense, yes he did have two crappy parents, but it did not give him the right to violate his sisters.

Or to preach family values, hypocrIte.

[mythoughtis]

There is an old wives that first time pregnant women often go past their due date. It was probably meant to calm women who did.  She’s probably been told that by several people in her family circle. 

[doodlebug]

10 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

There is an old wives that first time pregnant women often go past their due date. It was probably meant to calm women who did.  She’s probably been told that by several people in her family circle. 

Women having their first child are more likely to go late than women who’ve already given birth, so it’s not just an old wive’s tale.

[FakeJoshDuggar]

If Joyless “thinks” her due date is on the 22nd, she hasn’t been to a doctor to confirm.  She probably looked up her due date on the interwebs. 

[galaxychaser]

Poor thing just like her sisters doesn't care about herself or the baby. 

[Sew Sumi]

5 hours ago, FakeJoshDuggar said:

If Joyless “thinks” her due date is on the 22nd, she hasn’t been to a doctor to confirm.  She probably looked up her due date on the interwebs. 

Did she track her LMP before the wedding? Are they that anal?

If Joy didn't, I bet Dr. Jill got a date (or an approximation in Joy's case) to calculate a due date. 

[RedheadZombie]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

Did she track her LMP before the wedding? Are they that anal?

If Joy didn't, I bet Dr. Jill got a date (or an approximation in Joy's case) to calculate a due date. 

Don't they plan the weddings around their period?  There has to be a reason there are so many honeymoon babies.

[Temperance]

I don't watch the show, but that moment when Joy "it's up to Austin and my dad" when talking about whether to enter into a courtship was so sad.  I think everything is still up to Austin and her dad from where they live to whether or not she gets prenatal care to the size of their family. Plenty of ignorant or none too bright people have aspirations and hopes and their own opinions. I hope she finds her own voice, but getting married so young can have squelching effect. 

[floridamom]

My first baby was 8 days early...so I don't know what to say about that..It goes the way it goes, ladies. Anything is possible with the labor and delivery of a baby.....AND as we all know well from watching this 'chance-taking" family is that the situation can change in a moment's notice. That's why IMO, they are reckless with these inane home births. They are thinking of themselves and not their baby. So much for babies being a blessing to them.

[Barb23]

Does anyone know if Joy & Austin's house renovations are done?  Pictures?  I'm just thinking we got updates when  David & Pris renovated their house.

[Caracoa1]

What concerns me is if Joy is due in late February; what would she (or her Headship) do if she went into premature labor say in December?   Would they actually consider a home birth anyway with a baby born with immature lungs?  Or would they have the good sense to get Joy to a hospital for monitoring?