Joy and Austin: This One Time At Family Camp

[doodlebug]

2 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

Am I crazy or is it borderline abusive to send a toddler to walk through the snow wearing a dress with tights and no boots? I even zoomed the pic, but it looks to me like she has nothing but tights and, presumably regular shoes on. Her little feet must've been icicles.  For that matter, both of those kids should've been wearing hats.

[Zella]

Who exactly is Rylie? 

[MaryAnneSpier]

I'm "throughly" sad that the little girl doesn't have on appropriate clothing to play in the snow. I know snow in Arkansas isn't as common as other parts of America, but at least let the poor child wear pants!

[doodlebug]

13 hours ago, doodlebug said:

Am I crazy or is it borderline abusive to send a toddler to walk through the snow wearing a dress with tights and no boots? I even zoomed the pic, but it looks to me like she has nothing but tights and, presumably regular shoes on. Her little feet must've been icicles.  For that matter, both of those kids should've been wearing hats.

They also appear to not be wearing gloves or mittens.  I know Joy is not the sharpest tool in the shed, but, NOBODY 'thoroughly enjoys' playing in the snow without being properly dressed.

Arkansas may not have a lot of snow, but they get plenty of cold and nasty weather.  Both of those kids should have warm boots, hats and gloves even if they never 'play' in the snow.

And, even if they insist on toddler girls wearing dresses, that little girl should be wearing snow pants under hers before being sent outside for photos.

Edited December 14, 2020 by doodlebug

[crazy8s]

Snow skirts are apparently actually a thing too - "fashionable, yet modest"  🙄

to add - I only know this because a neighbor wears one while walking her dog in winter

Edited December 14, 2020 by crazy8s

[GeeGolly]

4 hours ago, crazy8s said:

Snow skirts are apparently actually a thing too - "fashionable, yet modest"  🙄

to add - I only know this because a neighbor wears one while walking her dog in winter

Scratching my head on this one. Her legs must still get cold and wet, never mind the cold air on her hooha. 

[doodlebug]

5 hours ago, crazy8s said:

Snow skirts are apparently actually a thing too - "fashionable, yet modest"  🙄

to add - I only know this because a neighbor wears one while walking her dog in winter

The only snow skirts I've seen are made of insulated fabric and meant to be worn over regular pants to give more coverage and warmth from the waist to the knees when wearing a winter jacket.  You see them a fair amount in the Scandinavian countries. They're faster and easier to put on and remove than traditional snow pants. I don't think that would be practical in this instance.

https://www.skhoop.us/pages/the-skhoop-story

Edited December 14, 2020 by doodlebug

[Growsonwalls]

Here in NYC during the cold cold winter Hasidic Jewish women wear legwarmers and uggs. I don't see why Rylie can't wear legwarmers if she has to wear skirts and tights. 

I think a lot of the Duggars' modesty is performative. It has little to do with actually living a modest life or even dressing modestly. It's about SEEMING modest on social media, and for Joy modesty = wearing skirts and bare legs in freezing weather. 

I also am worried about Joy and Austin's dog. If it's so cold in the winter I hope that dog is allowed inside. It's abusive to have the dog outside in a doghouse in freezing cold weather.

Edited December 15, 2020 by Growsonwalls

[Minivanessa]

9 hours ago, Growsonwalls said:

I think a lot of the Duggars' modesty is performative. It has little to do with actual living a modest life or even dressing modestly. It's about SEEMING modest on social media, and for Joy modesty = wearing skirts and bare legs in freezing weather. 

I also am worried about Joy and Austin's dog. If it's so cold in the winter I hope that dog is allowed inside. It's abusive to have the dog outside in a doghouse in freezing cold weather.

I wish I could like this more than once, for both those statements. I hate to say it but I suspect that the dog is outdoors. And I've always seen the Duggar "modesty" as performative. IMO it's hard to get more performative than the shenanigans the Duggs pulled over the wedding dresses and bridesmaids outfits. Sewing on fugly "modesty" panels on store bought dresses, when they could have just bought nicely styled dresses that were "modestly" styled in the first place. No, the Duggs had to get footage on TV showing them MAKING THINGS MODEST ENOUGH; merely buying and wearing modest clothing without the performance wouldn't have pleased Jesus  - or something.

[Tikichick]

Because that's exactly what the Bible says God is looking for, performative displays of faith.   Methinks they need to read a bit deeper.

IMO their ridiculous public charade is only an attempt to glorify themselves by attempting to make a public show of piety.  Even a fairly casual perusal of scripture speaks to the (lack of) value in that.

[GeeGolly]

In addition to emphasizing their modesty, I think they really thought there was nothing available that was modest enough. They had convinced themselves that no one, nowhere, wore clothes that fit their modesty standards, so they didn't even look for a suitable unaltered wedding dress for Jill. I think it took the Bates two or three weddings before they woke up.

The reality is most folks don't run around with their boobies and ass hanging out, everyday or on their wedding day. 

Edited December 15, 2020 by GeeGolly

[Minivanessa]

7 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

In addition to emphasizing their modesty, I think they really thought there was nothing available that was modest enough. They had convinced themselves that no one, nowhere, wore clothes that fit their modesty standards, so they didn't even look for a suitable unaltered wedding dress for Jill. I think it took the Bates two or three weddings before they woke up.

Oh, I'm sure they drank their own Kool-aid, and that was part of it. I also remember some discussions around here (or on the predecessor forums) where people posted links to ready-made clothing that would meet their stated modesty standards, and much of what was linked to, wasn't fugly either. 

[Growsonwalls]

1 hour ago, Jeeves said:

I wish I could like this more than once, for both those statements. I hate to say it but I suspect that the dog is outdoors. And I've always seen the Duggar "modesty" as performative. IMO it's hard to get more performative than the shenanigans the Duggs pulled over the wedding dresses and bridesmaids outfits. Sewing on fugly "modesty" panels on store bought dresses, when they could have just bought nicely styled dresses that were "modestly" styled in the first place. No, the Duggs had to get footage on TV showing them MAKING THINGS MODEST ENOUGH; merely buying and wearing modest clothing without the performance wouldn't have pleased Jesus  - or something.

Another example is that instead of getting modest swimwear (Jill has plugged some modest swimwear on her IG) the Duggar girls flailed about in sweats and skirts and long black tights. The whole point was to make the family look too holy for the beach. Which ... isn't the point of modesty. If they wanted they could have bought modest swimwear and worn that.  Again, purely performative and not actually based on modesty.

[doodlebug]

5 hours ago, Jeeves said:

Oh, I'm sure they drank their own Kool-aid, and that was part of it. I also remember some discussions around here (or on the predecessor forums) where people posted links to ready-made clothing that would meet their stated modesty standards, and much of what was linked to, wasn't fugly either. 

Heck, they've appeared on Say Yes to the Dress which not only has perfectly modest options in their regular stock, but also has a special section catering to Orthodox Jewish women who must have their collarbones covered and sleeves that cover their elbows.  Kleinfeld's has many, many modest options and we often see the alterations department at the store completely remaking dresses to fit a bride's specifications for either more or less coverage.  

[DangerousMinds]

6 hours ago, Jeeves said:

I wish I could like this more than once, for both those statements. I hate to say it but I suspect that the dog is outdoors. And I've always seen the Duggar "modesty" as performative. IMO it's hard to get more performative than the shenanigans the Duggs pulled over the wedding dresses and bridesmaids outfits. Sewing on fugly "modesty" panels on store bought dresses, when they could have just bought nicely styled dresses that were "modestly" styled in the first place. No, the Duggs had to get footage on TV showing them MAKING THINGS MODEST ENOUGH; merely buying and wearing modest clothing without the performance wouldn't have pleased Jesus  - or something.

They also don’t seem to realize that modesty is about more than clothing. Is it “modest” to post personal photos on SM for millions of complete strangers?

[ozziemom]

And some of the pregnant belly photos are very far from modest as most people define modesty.

[awaken]

And the “steamy” kissing photos they love to post. 

[DangerousMinds]

19 minutes ago, awaken said:

And the “steamy” kissing photos they love to post. 

Exactly, 

[emmawoodhouse]

Wreath making with the "sisters."

https://www.instagram.com/p/CI4XqYxpyls/?igshid=soliimvans8d

[Growsonwalls]

4 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Wreath making with the "sisters."

https://www.instagram.com/p/CI4XqYxpyls/?igshid=soliimvans8d

Jessa is in sweatpants, Lauren is in ripped jeans (!!!), Abbie also wearing pants. Lauren looks nice with the jeans. Only Joy and Jana continue to stick to skirts even in the winter.

I wonder why they don't wear tights. It looks chilly the way the others are dressed. Are tights too Nike or whatever?

[BigBingerBro]

No Jill nor Josie

Edited December 17, 2020 by BigBingerBro

[emmawoodhouse]

8 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

No Jill nor Josie

Josie is in the second picture. I bet it was filmed. 

Edited December 17, 2020 by emmawoodhouse

[BigBingerBro]

3 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Josie is in the second picture. I bet it was filmed. 

She looks like she's been crying

[dargosmydaddy]

Why is there a random Seewald sister there?

 

[emmawoodhouse]

1 minute ago, dargosmydaddy said:

Why is there a random Seewald sister there?

 

Danielle is probably there to give Ben and his kids proper haircuts. 😁

[libgirl2]

20 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said:

Jessa is in sweatpants, Lauren is in ripped jeans (!!!), Abbie also wearing pants. Lauren looks nice with the jeans. Only Joy and Jana continue to stick to skirts even in the winter.

I wonder why they don't wear tights. It looks chilly the way the others are dressed. Are tights too Nike or whatever?

Lauren's jeans are fitted too. She manages to dress a bit more stylish then the others. 

[madpsych78]

Surprised to see a Seewald (guessing it's the youngest Seewald daughter? The one that's younger than Michelle Seewald?) She's in between MEchelle and Jana in the first pic.

Mixed feelings about Jessa's sweats. While I applaud her for deciding not to wear a skirt or dress even when it is not her house and there is the possibility that they are filming, those...are the only sweats she seems to own, and she looks super frumpy, especially compared to Lauren and Abbie who both look fantastic. 

ETA: It's not Danielle Seewald. Danielle has the most distinctive looks of all of the Seewald girls.

ETA2: Faith Seewald. Youngest of Ben's sisters. Born in 2006, so she's 14 and in Hannie and Jenni's cohort.

Edited December 17, 2020 by madpsych78

[Tigregirl]

I still think that little Gracie is absolutely adorable.  Her little grin in the 6th picture makes me smile.

[DangerousMinds]

2 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

Lauren's jeans are fitted too. She manages to dress a bit more stylish then the others. 

And I love her boots! Meanwhile, disgusting Jessa and Joy are barefoot. But none of them should be gathering like this, especially maskless. Just selfish and sickening.

[auntieminem]

So much for Joy's sister Mom Jill, the one who raised her, not Michelle. 

 

[BitterApple]

Lauren looks really cute. I love the jeans and boots.

 

[Growsonwalls]

Joy's path continues to depress me. Placing bets that she's preggo again within a few months.

Edited December 17, 2020 by Growsonwalls

[DangerousMinds]

34 minutes ago, auntieminem said:

So much for Joy's sister Mom Jill, the one who raised her, not Michelle. 

 

Maybe Jill didn’t want to attend a potential super spreader event.

34 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Lauren looks really cute. I love the jeans and boots.

 

Me too. Makes the barefoot hillbillies look even more gross.

[emmawoodhouse]

Oh Jessa. How the mighty have fallen. And I'm here for it! 😁

[GeeGolly]

Only in a Duggar house would the front door (in between the tree and dining table) be in the same room as the back door (near the couch).

Anna looks to be dressed frumpier than Michelle, and her youngest two look dressed to go to the Nutcracker.

Picture number 4. Lauren on center stage. A moment she'll remember for ever.

And what's with the basket by the front door, pics 4 & 8? Joy and Austin's outerwear? The place for guests to toss their coats?

[Totally]

How old is Ivy now? Could Jessa be pregnant, she has her wreath covering her stomach 🤔

[Portia]

19 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Only in a Duggar house would the front door (in between the tree and dining table) be in the same room as the back door (near the couch).

 

 

 

Is that feature really so uncommon? My daughter's front door opens into a great room, and the door to the backyard is at the back of the room. It's a very nice house. 

[GeeGolly]

41 minutes ago, Portia said:

Is that feature really so uncommon? My daughter's front door opens into a great room, and the door to the backyard is at the back of the room. It's a very nice house. 

What you're describing makes more sense than Joy's set up.

The houses in my neck of the woods typically have a front and back door, or a front door and side door, and sometimes all three, but not typically in the same room.

The front door usually leads into a foyer or living room. The back or side door is usually in the kitchen or kitchen area. Some of the older homes have a side door that leads to a tiny space with stairs down to the basement and a couple steps up to the kitchen. Some might have a back door in the kitchen and sliders in the dining room, so technically they're on the same wall, but in two separate rooms.

I'm going through the houses of my family and friends in my head and can't think of one with entrance/exit doors in the same room or like in Joy's case, adjoining walls.

All this said, I've only lived in New England, so this may be a northern thing.

[ozziemom]

I love the laundry basket in the dining area but that would probably happen to me too. I’m guessing Jill was invited but this was party was during school time and Jill has an actual schedule unlike the rest of them.

[ouinason]

why is not wearing shoes indoors gross?  wearing shoes inside is not sanitary at all.

[Snow Fairy]

They should at least have socks or some slippers

[ouinason]

I will remember to pack slippers the next time I go over to my sister's house, lol.

[Snow Fairy]

I am European so seeing bare feet in winter is too weird for me.  Also barefoot babies. No such things here

In the same room they have bare feet and boots...

[emma675]

I really don't understand the dress code for Joy's event. Some are in sweaters, jeans, and boots (and Lauren looks to be wearing Hunter boots, which are fairly expensive), some are in skirts, leggings, and sandals, some are in sweats, some are barefoot. It's odd and if it was for filming, it's even odder.

[GeeGolly]

16 minutes ago, ouinason said:

why is not wearing shoes indoors gross?  wearing shoes inside is not sanitary at all.

I think you answered your own question. Going barefoot in a home where everyone is wearing shoes might feel a little gross. Especially if they're tracking in dirt, mud, snow, etc.

We don't wear shoes in our house for the most part, and I also sweep and vacuum pretty regularly.

[absnow54]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

The front door usually leads into a foyer or living room. The back or side door is usually in the kitchen or kitchen area. Some of the older homes have a side door that leads to a tiny space with stairs down to the basement and a couple steps up to the kitchen. Some might have a back door in the kitchen and sliders in the dining room, so technically they're on the same wall, but in two separate rooms.

I'm going through the houses of my family and friends in my head and can't think of one with entrance/exit doors in the same room or like in Joy's case, adjoining walls.

All this said, I've only lived in New England, so this may be a northern thing.

I owned a 1960's rambler in the DC 'burbs, and the front door opened into the living room, and on the adjacent wall, there was a side door, which was technically in the same room (living room opened into the dining room.) Very similar to Joy's layout (although our kitchen originally had walls, which we knocked down to open up the kitchen.) I think it's a fairly common layout, but yes, you wouldn't see it much in New England, where colonials are king.

Props to Bella for openly protesting being dragged to a super spreader event.

[laurakaye]

9 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

Maybe Jill didn’t want to attend a potential super spreader event.

If she chose not to attend, I applaud her for being incredibly smart.  If she was purposefully excluded, then these women have taken cattiness and pettiness to a level that I have previously only seen from the Sister Wives clan.  Either way, seeing those pictures on social media had to have hurt Jill's feelings deeply.  

[Absolom]

Another thing on Joy's house is they remodeled it.  I'm not sure if they moved the kitchen in this one, but I don't think the original floor plan was completely open for the front of the house.  The side door may have been in the original kitchen.  

[BitterApple]

My spidey senses tell me Jill wasn't invited. They were likely filming, and blurring Jill out in a small, enclosed space would show really weird on tv. 

[Scarlett45]

Just now, BitterApple said:

My spidey senses tell me Jill wasn't invited. They were likely filming, and blurring Jill out in a small, enclosed space would show really weird on tv. 

I lean more towards your thoughts.