Joy and Austin: This One Time At Family Camp

[dargosmydaddy]

42 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

My spidey senses tell me Jill wasn't invited. They were likely filming, and blurring Jill out in a small, enclosed space would show really weird on tv. 

I was thinking that at first, too, but would Jessa really appear on the show in sweatpants? I don't know...

Regardless, I agree that Jill wasn't invited.

[Zella]

55 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

My spidey senses tell me Jill wasn't invited. They were likely filming, and blurring Jill out in a small, enclosed space would show really weird on tv. 

Mine too. 

FWIW the barefoot thing doesn't bother me. I'm barefoot all the time myself. I would not want to be barefoot in a Duggar house because I have standards, but I really don't think any of them realize how nasty they are. 

[BitterApple]

15 minutes ago, dargosmydaddy said:

I was thinking that at first, too, but would Jessa really appear on the show in sweatpants?

True, but the reason why I'm thinking it was filmed is the food and crafting supplies had to have cost at least several hundred dollars. There's no way the cheap-ass Duggars dished out their own money for that. 

[Growsonwalls]

In Asian households it's considered incredibly rude to wear shoes indoors. But then again we vacuum and mop our floors religiously.

It was so incredibly shitty not to invite Jill if that's what happened. Everyone gets an invite but Jill? I think Jill wasn;'t invited because she didn't even like the pictures and she usually likes Joy's pictures.

[Scarlett45]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

True, but the reason why I'm thinking it was filmed is the food and crafting supplies had to have cost at least several hundred dollars. There's no way the cheap-ass Duggars dished out their own money for that. 

I get what you are saying. These large gatherings where there is a planned activity tend to happen around filming. Wreath decorating has a "filming" feel to it, you can get footage of the supply organization, actual decorating, talking heads about the process, judging when they are done etc.

[MonicaM]

1 minute ago, Growsonwalls said:

In Asian households it's considered incredibly rude to wear shoes indoors. But then again we vacuum and mop our floors religiously.

It was so incredibly shitty not to invite Jill if that's what happened. Everyone gets an invite but Jill? I think Jill wasn;'t invited because she didn't even like the pictures and she usually likes Joy's pictures.

With all the people coming and going, including the camera crew, going barefoot in Ma and Pa Duggar's house would be the equivalent of going barefoot in a shopping mall.   I wouldn't even consider it.  I'm not sure I'd even wear sandals in that house.  At least malls have employees who know how to clean.

[laurakaye]

8 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said:

It was so incredibly shitty not to invite Jill if that's what happened. Everyone gets an invite but Jill? I think Jill wasn;'t invited because she didn't even like the pictures and she usually likes Joy's pictures.

Is Jill persona non grata to everyone in this stupid family or just to JimBlob and Big Meech, and therefore she must also be invisible to Jill's sisters and sisters-in-law because it's been decreed from on high by Jill's parents?  If I'm sitting in on this (stupid and dangerous) gathering to which three generations of Duggar females have been invited EXCEPT one - I'm going to feel really awkward.  Jill's absence leaves an obvious gap.  Does everyone just pretend to not notice that Jill is not there?  Or are they all giggling behind their hands because Jill gives them all a common scapegoat to gloat over?  Either way I hate them all but especially Michelle, who couldn't be arsed out of her medicated stupor to make sure that ALL of her daughters could be included in this (stupid and dangerous) family tradition.

I prefer to think that Jill was like, "no thanks, but y'all enjoy your cootie cocktail" but sadly, I doubt that's what happened.

[Tasya]

16 hours ago, Growsonwalls said:

Jessa is in sweatpants, Lauren is in ripped jeans (!!!), Abbie also wearing pants. Lauren looks nice with the jeans. Only Joy and Jana continue to stick to skirts even in the winter.

I wonder why they don't wear tights. It looks chilly the way the others are dressed. Are tights too Nike or whatever?

Jana has on tights, you can see the black. I'm not sure why Joy doesn't, I guess because it was her home?

[Tasya]

Hmm actually Jana may have on black pants. I can't tell. I thought the red was part of a skirt but it's actually part of her wreath. I don't see a dress billowing out, so either she also has on pants or she has on a more fitted skirt. 

[Growsonwalls]

14 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

Is Jill persona non grata to everyone in this stupid family or just to JimBlob and Big Meech, and therefore she must also be invisible to Jill's sisters and sisters-in-law because it's been decreed from on high by Jill's parents?  If I'm sitting in on this (stupid and dangerous) gathering to which three generations of Duggar females have been invited EXCEPT one - I'm going to feel really awkward.  Jill's absence leaves an obvious gap.  Does everyone just pretend to not notice that Jill is not there?  Or are they all giggling behind their hands because Jill gives them all a common scapegoat to gloat over?  Either way I hate them all but especially Michelle, who couldn't be arsed out of her medicated stupor to make sure that ALL of her daughters could be included in this (stupid and dangerous) family tradition.

I prefer to think that Jill was like, "no thanks, but y'all enjoy your cootie cocktail" but sadly, I doubt that's what happened.

Jill is estranged from JimBob. She said in a YT video that some of her siblngs are "supportive" of the slightly less fundie life she now leads, but some are not. I wonder if since this gathering contained everyone and some of the ones are not "supportive" then the decision was made to exclude her?

I have this awful feeling Joy is one of the "not supportive" siblings. Even though Jill, you know, raised her. But Joy seems to have quadrupled down on all things fundie ever since Evelyn was born. I think people like Jessa or Jana don't really care that much but Joy seems to be a true believer.

[Tasya]

The thing that bothers me the most about this picture is Jenny. What is wrong with Michelle? Jenny's clothes are sloppy, she has on sandals in winter and those sandals are at least a size too small. It's just ridiculous. 

[leighdear]

Oh lord, can't Jessa put potato baby in ANYTHING that fits her?  Poor thing can't even look as stylish as Josie.  

[Kellyee]

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My spidey senses tell me Jill wasn't invited. They were likely filming, and blurring Jill out in a small, enclosed space would show really weird on tv. 

Josh the sister-molesting cheater gets invited when they are filming, and they just film around him. According to a reply Derick made on a post, they were not invited to that Fall family day thing at the big house. Jill might have been excluded from this too. Do you think it's Joy who is shunning her? We know Jessa doesn't care, and my bet is on Joy or Jana who is the most estranged from Jill. Anna occasionally comments on Jill's posts. I also wonder if Jinger is glad or sad to be so far away from it all.

 

 

 

 

[GeeGolly]

Someone should post and ask Joy where her bestfriend Jill is.

[BitterApple]

Just now, Kellyee said:

Josh the sister-molesting cheater gets invited when they are filming, and they just film around him. According to a reply Derick made on a post, they were not invited to that Fall family day thing at the big house. Jill might have been excluded from this too. Do you think it's Joy who is shunning her?

 

My money would be on Joy. Both she and her husband belong to a questionable social media site, and, as noted above, she seems to have delved deeper into the Kool-Aid since her miscarriage. 

 

 

[Minivanessa]

2 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

Josh the sister-molesting cheater gets invited when they are filming, and they just film around him. According to a reply Derick made on a post, they were not invited to that Fall family day thing at the big house. Jill might have been excluded from this too. Do you think it's Joy who is shunning her? We know Jessa doesn't care, and my bet is on Joy or Jana who is the most estranged from Jill. Anna occasionally comments on Jill's posts. I also wonder if Jinger is glad or sad to be so far away from it all.

I have no reason to believe that any of the Duggarlings are *not* kool-aid drinkers until there's evidence to the contrary. Just because Jana wisely keeps. her mouth shut except to post inanities on SM and do the required talking heads, I think some people think she's harboring some secret rebellion. I think that's wishful thinking. Her silence leaves room for speculation but IMO  that's all it is -speculation. As for Joy, she's been married for a few years now to a hard-core fundie, and I'm sure she goes along with him on things, but having been reared in Duggar world, she's already inclined to think that way. Even if she had a "doubt" or two a few years ago. I was writing as @BitterApple was posting, and I agree with that.

Really the only Duggar kid who IMO isn't still marching along with the JB party line is Jill. I'm glad if some of her sibs are supportive - and I assume it's mostly expressed privately and not in front of the parents -  but not surprised she was shunned for that stupid superspreader event, if indeed she was.

[Growsonwalls]

I'm of two minds about this. If Jill's family can't be supportive of her making the best decisions for herself like using birth control, wearing pants, and sending Izzy to school, then it's better that she's not around that kind of negativity. 

On the other hand it's incredibly shitty of them to exclude her from situations where her life choices probably would not be an issue and making Christmas wreaths is one of those activities. For one, Lauren and Abbie are wearing what they want to wear and the Seewald sisters also don't really follow the Duggar rules. 

Also, Joy is being shitty by keeping her distance from the woman who actually raised her. You would think that the bond they have would be unbreakable. 

[GeeGolly]

It would be nice to think one of the sisters, or Michelle, called her first to say they were filming and some pics may end up on SM, so she knows its not an event they're excluding her from.

But in reality, not filming was Jill's choice and some of our choices come with painful side effects.

[DangerousMinds]

No matter what the reason Jill didn’t attend, she is better off for it. These stories are common.
 

COVID patient tells doctor all 22 people at Thanksgiving dinner have since tested positive
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wate.com/health/coronavirus/covid-patient-tells-doctor-all-22-people-at-thanksgiving-dinner-have-since-tested-positive/amp/

[3 is enough]

Wow. Jessa looks so frumpy. I wonder if she is making herself look less attractive on purpose to discourage Ben because that's the only way she can control the baby train? 

Abby and Lauren look great.  Kendra is clean and put together as always.  

Poor Jennifer still looks like a waif in cast off clothing.  That is a thin summer dress.  Does the poor child not have anything warmer?  Couldn't Jana help her out? 

 

[Albanyguy]

2 hours ago, laurakaye said:

Or are they all giggling behind their hands because Jill gives them all a common scapegoat to gloat over? 

I wouldn't doubt it. I think that under all that Jesus-y "keeping sweet", these are some of the meanest people on earth.

[leighdear]

Since Joy is touting her affiliate program with PatPat on her Insta, and showing off the family PJ's they're all wearing, I assume somebody has reported to their social media folks that not only is she a proud Parler poster, she & her husband subscribe to the violent "Pearl" method of discipline for their small children. 

I can't imagine the business owners really want them shilling their mainstream, cutsie and family-friendly duds.  

[Westiepeach]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

It would be nice to think one of the sisters, or Michelle, called her first to say they were filming and some pics may end up on SM, so she knows its not an event they're excluding her from.

Oh please. Do you really think Michelle is going to come out of her Xanax haze and care? I doubt she really realizes Jill is even her daughter anymore. My vote is a sister clued her in.

[Totally]

I just don’t see Gideon as being disciplined in the manner of the pearls, he seems to have too much mischievous spirit in him 

 

Edited December 17, 2020 by Totally

[Future Cat Lady]

I don't think Jill is excluded because she's less fundie. It's because her husband spoke badly of the family.

[madpsych78]

I don't know, my money is on Jana being the most judgmental about Jill's changes. She's firmly entrenched in JB and Michelle's world. 

But I totally agree that Jessa is probably one of the siblings who is supportive of Jill.

I think the big wildcard is Jinger. There are some things about her that are mainstream and similar to Jill, yet other things that are very, very different.

[BitterApple]

3 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

 

I think the big wildcard is Jinger. There are some things about her that are mainstream and similar to Jill, yet other things that are very, very different.

Jinger strikes me as not caring one way or the other. She was never close to Jill to begin with and her entire world revolves around JereMe. 

[Zella]

23 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

I don't think Jill is excluded because she's less fundie. It's because her husband spoke badly of the family.

I think you're right. I am sure that Jim Bob and Michelle are not happy about some of the things Jill is doing (I'm sure Izzy going to public school was not well received), but I'm not sure that sort of a break from the family ideology would have even happened if Derick hadn't been so openly antagonistic about his in-laws, specifically his father-in-law. I think Derick would have been quietly tolerated if he himself would have stayed quiet. The fact Derick hasn't been photographed at any of the events that Jill has been to suggests to me he is absolutely not welcome anymore. 

It wouldn't surprise me if the Duggars had the attitude of "You took sides against the family!" Like The Godfather Part II, except for, you know, the "I love you" part of that conversation. LOL

7 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

But I totally agree that Jessa is probably one of the siblings who is supportive of Jill.

I don't believe for a minute that Jessa is supportive of Jill's decision to break away. I don't think I've ever seen her show even a modicum of interest in any of her siblings. 

Edited December 17, 2020 by Zella

[crazy8s]

22 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

I don't think Jill is excluded because she's less fundie. It's because her husband spoke badly of the family.

I think this as well - for all their leave and cleave blathering and the husband is the headship, Jill is doing exactly what they preach she should be doing.

It is only because derick went to a lawyer to get show money, quit the show/got fired from the show and had the nerve to speak against king JB

in the kingdom of jb you are loyal to him and under his control always or you are the enemy.

[katycat74]

The Duggars just posted pics from their big holiday party, no Dillards in sight in any of the pictures..

[emmawoodhouse]

1 hour ago, katycat74 said:

The Duggars just posted pics from their big holiday party, no Dillards in sight in any of the pictures..

Pics are posted on the Boobchelle thread. 

[absnow54]

I still lean toward Jill’s absence being due to filming. She was at Joy’s baby shower over the summer, and they went shopping together recently too. Most likely Jill is absent when the camera crew is around because there’s animosity between her and the show. Or it might be one of the terms of the payout she received. 

[emmawoodhouse]

14 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

I still lean toward Jill’s absence being due to filming. She was at Joy’s baby shower over the summer, and they went shopping together recently too. Most likely Jill is absent when the camera crew is around because there’s animosity between her and the show. Or it might be one of the terms of the payout she received. 

Possibly. But they film around Smuggar all the time. 

[SMama]

Why is Michelle there, she’s not a sister no matter what she thinks.

is that Ivy’s only freaking outfit?

[emmawoodhouse]

3 minutes ago, SMama said:

Why is Michelle there, she’s not a sister no matter what she thinks.

is that Ivy’s only freaking outfit?

Meech's presence is why I think they were filming. 

[SMama]

Way to sneak back into the show.

[emmawoodhouse]

5 minutes ago, SMama said:

Way to sneak back into the show.

She and her consort wormed their way back onto the show a couple of years ago. The show is basically back to the 19 Kids format. Several plots take place at the TTH. 😞

[awaken]

8 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Someone should post and ask Joy where her bestfriend Jill is.

I will!

6 hours ago, Totally said:

I just don’t see Gideon as being disciplined in the manner of the pearls, he seems to have too much mischievous spirit in him 

 

Well, she gave me an eyeroll when I asked, so make what you will of that. 

[Kellyee]

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I don't think Jill is excluded because she's less fundie. It's because her husband spoke badly of the family.

I think Jill is estranged from the family because Jim Bob demanded it. And I think Jim Bob is only mad because Jill got a lawyer and demanded fair pay from her time on the show. I think this all comes back to money, and Jill being unwilling to repent and crawl back to Jim Bob like Josh did.

 

 

[GeeGolly]

7 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Possibly. But they film around Smuggar all the time. 

I think its likely complicated depending on the event, but Jill and Derick opted out of the show, Josh was basically fired.

Jill would look a little hypocritical at this point, to show up where the camera crew is filming.  Also, Jill might not want to go to the big family gatherings, like the sweater party, without Derick. And, in addition to JB's feelings, she might find it uncomfortable to be there knowing that he and some of her siblings are judging her.

Whatever the reasons are, and like I mentioned there's probably many, this must be really hard for Jill.

As for the Duggar Clan, no matter the reasons, its certainly makes them look bad. I guess JB found the edge where his assholish pride comes before his image.

[laurakaye]

13 hours ago, crazy8s said:

in the kingdom of jb you are loyal to him and under his control always or you are the enemy.

What about Jeremy, though - he took Jing away to the big city and turned her into this shorts wearing blonde-highlighted wannabe influencer accessory wife.  Is Boob intimidated by Jeremy because of his connections?  I haven't watched this show in ages but I do remember there being some weird tension between Jere and Boob when he was courting Jing.  Maybe Jere hasn't spoken out against the mighty JB in the way that Derick has but I get the definite sense that Jere has no intention of ever kowtowing to his father-in-law.  JB can't be okay with that.

[ozziemom]

27 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

What about Jeremy, though - he took Jing away to the big city and turned her into this shorts wearing blonde-highlighted wannabe influencer accessory wife.  Is Boob intimidated by Jeremy because of his connections?  I haven't watched this show in ages but I do remember there being some weird tension between Jere and Boob when he was courting Jing.  Maybe Jere hasn't spoken out against the mighty JB in the way that Derick has but I get the definite sense that Jere has no intention of ever kowtowing to his father-in-law.  JB can't be okay with that.

JerMe is not as vocal as Dreck was about Boob and TLC. So Boob can pretend that all is well with the Vuolo’s. Plus Jingle isn’t dropping by TTH anytime soon. I think Boob really believes Jill might have some influence over her buddies and not what he would consider a good influence so she has to ask permission to visit. 

[Albanyguy]

14 hours ago, Zella said:

I don't believe for a minute that Jessa is supportive of Jill's decision to break away. I don't think I've ever seen her show even a modicum of interest in any of her siblings. 

And Jessa is well aware of which side her bread is buttered on. If Jim Bob ostracizes Jill, then Jessa will be right behind him.

[Minivanessa]

I agree with most of the above. As with family stuff, it's probably complicated, lol.

Josh isn't wanted by TLC - but he's still his mother's favorite, and hasn't rebelled against JB's power and control. He came home from DC with his tail between his legs, did his time in Jesus Jail, and hasn't made waves ever since. His Croc-shod feet are not straying from JB's world. I'm sure if the producer dared to even suggest that Josh not be present when they were shooting footage, JB and Michelle would have had hissy fits. So he got shot around and blurred out as needed.

Jill's husband did that stupid ignorant Twitter flameout over Jazz which put him squarely into the outs with TLC. Ironically, the opinions he expressed in those awful tweets are probably shared by JB, so any heartburn they gave JB was about endangering the Duggars' relationship with TLC. I don't know how that stupid losing tweet-war aligned, timewise, with Derick's insisting that JB account for Jill's earnings from the show. We do know that at the end, the Dillards were off the show, they hired a lawyer, Jill got some money (and if it let them buy a new house, even a starter home, free and clear, that's some cash), Jill [and I'm sure Derick] were banned from the TTH unless with JB's express consent, and Derick had surfaced from his deep dive into the fundamental evangelical world. 

Josh, the Crown Prince, merely sexually violated tiny children, cheated on his wife, joined Ashley Madison with a phony profile, and got into viewing porn. 

Jill's' headship butted heads with JB, challenged JB's complete control over his chlidren's finances, and created a public stink by warring with TLC. No sexual assaults, infidelity, or porn involved.

I'm sure if JB and Meech got their way, Josh would be again gracing TV screens with his talking heads that earned him the moniker Smuggar. Because, priorities - and we know which of the above is the most unforgivable sin.

[Ljohnson1987]

Smuggar should never grace our television screens. Anna should open her eyes, and see that she's better off without him. Yeah, she'd be losing the family, and her meal ticket, but she had family members who offered to help, and she turned them down. 

 

Jill is amazing to say F this, and do what was best for her family. She doesn't need her family. She has Derick's. 

 

J'Chelle and Bloob are too blind to see that what happened was not properly handled. And that their daughters suffered as a result. Why protect the Golden Child? What did Josh do for them that was so great?

[MargeGunderson]

19 hours ago, Future Cat Lady said:

I don't think Jill is excluded because she's less fundie. It's because her husband spoke badly of the family.

And that Derick and Jill sued JB for money that Jill wasn’t paid for being on the show. That’s got to make for an uncomfortably family dinner. 

[Future Cat Lady]

22 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

And that Derick and Jill sued JB for money that Jill wasn’t paid for being on the show. That’s got to make for an uncomfortably family dinner. 

You know what? I can't blame JB for not wanting Derrick around. Anyone in that position would do the same. If you spill family secrets and bad mouth the family, don't expect to be invited to dinner!

Jeremy and Jinger's situation is completely different. I'm pretty certain that Jeremy sees JB as beneath him, but he wants to be on TV so he's going to play nice. 

Again, I don't think that the rift is because they're not quiverfull or Gothard followers. Derrick and Jeremy never were and they still married the Duggar girls.

 

Edited December 18, 2020 by Future Cat Lady

[Zella]

4 hours ago, laurakaye said:

What about Jeremy, though - he took Jing away to the big city and turned her into this shorts wearing blonde-highlighted wannabe influencer accessory wife.  Is Boob intimidated by Jeremy because of his connections?  I haven't watched this show in ages but I do remember there being some weird tension between Jere and Boob when he was courting Jing.  Maybe Jere hasn't spoken out against the mighty JB in the way that Derick has but I get the definite sense that Jere has no intention of ever kowtowing to his father-in-law.  JB can't be okay with that.

I think Jeremy's differences from the Duggars are largely cosmetic--he doesn't seem to disagree with a lot of their fundamental beliefs, and the differences are mostly surface level. And he has never endangered the gravy train. 

I don't think Jeremy and JB like each other, but I think that's primarily rooted in them both being self-centered assholes with big egos. I think they're a lot more alike than not. 

[crazy8s]

also JB abides having Jeremy around because Jer and Jing are keeping the Duggar brand and name out there in the media. for good or bad, every article about them starts with "Jinger Duggar.....  Jinger Duggar's husband, Jinger Duggar and her husband......

[BigBingerBro]

1 hour ago, Future Cat Lady said:

Jeremy and Jinger's situation is completely different. I'm pretty certain that Jeremy sees JB as beneath him, but he wants to be on TV so he's going to play nice. 

Yes.  Jermy is not going to rock the boat as long as he has an ounce of fame to hold onto.  The minute this show ends, I forsee him trying desperately for the "breakout" stars to stay relevant, but i dount he's going to continue to bow to Boob much after that.