Logan (2017)

[Cobalt Stargazer]

"So this is what it feels like..."

As was said upthread, the trailer had me at Johnny Cash, but man, I didn't expect it to hit me like that. Logan/Wolverine has never been my favorite character, but this was a hell of a final bow for Jackman. I couldn't get over how tired he looked for most of the film; not just the gray in his hair and beard, but the weariness in his posture, as if he could never get enough sleep. I may have to process the movie more fully later, because I'm still feeling a litttle shook. This is what it feels like, indeed.

[MisterGlass]

This is the argument for making intimate, personal comic book movies instead of just grand spectacles.  The tight focus on the core characters made this so emotionally intense.  And the subtle references to the tragic and sinister stories of how they ended up here were so well incorporated without needing a grand moment of exposition.  Great casting for X-23 and good acting all around.  Perfect no, but brutal and poignant.

And good special effects work on the whole.  They kept the CGI subtle.

8 hours ago, Eyes High said:

Also, how would Charles fail to recognize that X-24 wasn't Logan?

He had at least one cataract that was visible in the hotel scene.  His vision is very poor, it was a dark room, and he was not looking for an enemy.

1 hour ago, TVSpectator said:

Were X-23 Laura and the guy that looked a lot like Logan was supposed to be his clones or his actual children

Laura appears to be his child, in the sense that she has partly his genetic material and partly another parent's.  X-24 is a straight clone as I read it.  In the video where the nurse is talking about the plan to kill the children, there are a couple of glimpses of a full size body in a tank.  The X-23s were born, and X-24 was grown.  It appears that he is quite 'young.'  He didn't speak, he listened only to the doctor, and seemed very afraid when he was incapacitated and on the ground.

9 hours ago, benteen said:

If I had any complaint, the movie did go on a little long and Logan with the kids felt a lot like Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.

I think they knew that.  I think them cutting his hair while he was sleeping was meant as a direct nod.

[Silver Raven]

Man, so depressing and brutal, and I guess the lack of an after scene puts a full stop on the story.  Still and all, I hope they can work Wolverine into the Deadpool movie.  Pretty please?

I was hoping when they first introduced Donald Pierce that he might be Gambit, but no such luck.

Isn't x-24 supposed to be Pantha?

[jcin617]

18 hours ago, InsertWordHere said:

I spent the whole movie hoping that Deadpool at least survived the mutant near extinction. Hey, maybe he's the one who established Eden and made the coordinates a meta-reference to a comic book. The altered timeline from Days of Future Past didn't really seem to improve the fate of the X-Men very much.

One question I had is Logan said their hadn't been a mutant birth in 24 years - meaning 2005.   If that's the case, where did the kids at Xavier's School for the Gifted come from at the end of "Days of Future Past"?     Logan would have "snapped" back to his present, which was still our future.   Oh well, not going to think too much about it because this was a great movie.

[ZoqFotPik]

9 hours ago, jcin617 said:

One question I had is Logan said their hadn't been a mutant birth in 24 years - meaning 2005.  

Given Logan's health and the fact that he is loaded half the time, it's possible he forgot what year it is or got the math wrong. DoFP ends in 2023 or 18 years after 2005. If all of the kids at the school were in their early teens, he would have been off by only 5 years or so. Either way, I'm guessing that those students represented the last generation of mutants.

Edited March 5, 2017 by ZoqFotPik

[TigerLynx]

It was interesting that they went with the adamantium poisoning Logan from the inside.  It seems the clone had the same problem Victor had.  They had the same healing ability Logan had, but it wasn't quite enough.  For whatever reason, Logan was stronger and had more endurance.

My favorite lines aside from everything with Logan and Xavier were - Doctor, "You worked with my father on the Weapon X project."  Logan, "I think I killed him."  Doctor, "I think you did to."

[Spartan Girl]

I guess it was a good thing it opened with that funny Deadpool teaser. Because there were very few laughs once the actual movie started.

Seriously, that was the darkest "superhero" movie since The Dark Knight. I take that back-- not even TDK left me feeling so raw. Don't get me wrong, it was great, but so unbelievably tragic.

Stewart and Jackman damn near killed me. Watching Charles succumb to dementia was so painful, though I have to admit I cracked up a little when he actually dropped the f-bomb. Even all the shit Stewart says on American Dad didn't prepare me for that.

Man, the girl that played Lara was awesome. So badass! Although it jarring when she finally started talking in the third act. Her regular voice sounded so different compared to all that screaming.

Well, it was a fun ride, Wolverine. And age be damned, Jackman is still hot as hell.

Edited March 5, 2017 by Spartan Girl

[TVSpectator]

4 hours ago, SeanC said:

I did wonder if they were supposed to be direct clones or if other people's genetic material was mixed in (Dafne Keen's mother is Spanish, which I think is part of it).

In the comics, Wolverine always referred to X-23 as his sister, since she was a clone based solely on his genetic material.  In the movie everyone calls her his daughter, by comparison.

 

It was definitely left vague on what really happen/how they were created but still, I liked the movie and I thought that this was a really good swan song for Hugh Jackman. Then again, even though that I know, that X-23 is the female clone of Wolverine (in the comics) I just can't really buy that they somehow turned a YX chromosome into an XX chromosome and still call them "clones" of each other. 

[TVSpectator]

4 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

Man, so depressing and brutal, and I guess the lack of an after scene puts a full stop on the story.  Still and all, I hope they can work Wolverine into the Deadpool movie.  Pretty please?

I was hoping when they first introduced Donald Pierce that he might be Gambit, but no such luck.

Isn't x-24 supposed to be Pantha?

 

 

Laura was X-23 (Lauren Kinney from the comics) and I think Pantha is from the DC comics. Although, X-24 was just called "X-24".

And that was supposed to be Donald Pierce? Because, why does he have a southern accent in the movie? In the comics, the man was born and raised in Philadelphia, PA. Now, I just want a Hellfire Club movie from FOX. 

Edited March 5, 2017 by TVSpectator

[Silver Raven]

It was so cute that the little black kid slept with a Wolverine (in his yellow suit) action figure.

[Raja]

18 minutes ago, Silver Raven said:

It was so cute that the little black kid slept with a Wolverine (in his yellow suit) action figure.

They did go much further than the MCU which only has the post Battle of New York Avengers generating such hero worship as they suggested that the X-Men and mutants in general have 

[TigerLynx]

1 hour ago, Spartan Girl said:

Well, it was a fun ride, Wolverine. And age be damned, Jackman is still hot as hell.

Yes, he is.  I love that both Jackman and Stewart were willing to be old in this movie.

It was sad that yet another family that Logan and Xavier wanted to help, and that was nice to them ended up dead.

[johntfs]

On 3/3/2017 at 9:24 PM, ZoqFotPik said:

I felt really bad for the farmer's family, if Logan and company had simply kept going, they would still be alive.

I appreciated the sheer cruelty of that scene.  Charles Xavier finally gets one small taste of his lifelong dream of humans and mutants living and working together in peace and he just wants to enjoy for just a little while.  Because of that he and the family get murdered.

[Jazzy24]

I'm really happy that the movie has gotten so many great reviews and how proud I am that FOX finally did justice to a Wolverine/X-Men movie. 

But I refuse to see this movie. I can't handle the deaths of Professor X and Logan in any form. Just reading about their deaths had me crying, maybe in a little while I'll be able to watch this but the spoilers just ~sigh~ 

[shrewd.buddha]

It was a good movie, craft-wise ... but ugh, what a depressingly slow death march to the end of Wolverine. 
It seems like the new hip thing is to take escapism and twist it into nihilism. 

I am tired of the cliche where the sadistic bad guy must live until the end.
And how many times must kindhearted regular folk get butchered when trying to help out Logan? We knew that family was dead as soon as they offered him a home cooked meal. Logan should have known better - it happens every time.

Edited March 6, 2017 by shrewd.buddha

[mtlchick]

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He was cast after the first movie started filming -- he was a last minute replacement for Dougray Scott (I've said it before and I'll say it again, the best thing to come out of Mission: Impossible 2 is the scheduling conflict that lead to Dougray Scott dropping out as Wolverine).  From day one he's said that he wasn't satisfied with his physical condition in the first film, that it didn't do justice to the character. 

Not only that, his FIRST scene in X-Men (the cage match) was actually the LAST one shot:  as much as I enjoy any shirtless scene I can get with him, it's almost hilarious that he's that jacked up (heh) in the first scene but looked liked he was building himself TO that scene physically during the rest of the movie.  And I hope to God he sent Scott one hell of a fruit basket for dropping out.  

 

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The Deadpool teaser--did anyone else notice the "Nathan Summers" grafitti?!? Does this mean Cable will be in the sequel?!?

Already confirmed.  HOWEVER, a few months ago, there was a picture with Jackman, Reynolds and (ka boom!) Pierce Brosnan.  You can guess what people thought.

Finally saw the movie.  As a long time fan of the series, I was holding out hope that it would build from Days of Future Past and not set itself back like Apocalypse.  This movie? Was brutal.  Tragic.  Gritty.  And everything this character and series should have embraced a decade ago.  And with the current state of affairs involving illegal immigrants fleeing to Canada, timely (and what a coincidence.)  I loved every second of it.  Hugh and the filmmakers knew there were some misfires along the way (Origins? GAH) but they made up for it and then some.  Whatever reboots come down the pike in the next few years, Jackman and Stewart can't be matched in these roles.

 

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And age be damned, Jackman is still hot as hell.

This is his mutant power. That and being incredibly nice.

[NoWillToResist]

Ok, full disclosure: I was dragged to this and recall almost nothing of the prior films, so, grain of salt and all that. :D

My meh-ness about this movie has nothing to do with Hugh Jackman; he's lovely, but I am just over the Wolverine fawning and have been for a very long time.

I was (pleasantly?) surprised to discover that the movie had a solid R rating (clued in after the first few minutes when there were several F-bombs and then graphic killing/maiming). ;)  I guess since this was Wolverine's swan song, they weren't going to hold anything back. And, frankly, Wolverine being all violent and slashy/stabby seemed appropriate.

While I fully appreciate everyone's happiness with the film, I personally felt bludgeoned afterward. Just an endless series of fights and escapes and misery and carnage and death. It was exhausting to me.

Tellingly, my husband wanted to discuss one particular part afterward and started with "when they were escaping from the convoy..."   - I immediately had to interrupt and ask which time he was referencing since there were about six instances of a convoy of vehicles chasing people.

I readily admit that I might have mentally shut down for a moment and missed a change in directive, but I was sure that the nurses grabbed as many of the kids as they could and got a bunch of them out because the project was being shut down and the children were scheduled for termination. So, if I heard that correctly, why in the hell was so much energy spent on trying to capture them? A sloppy fanfare of bullets into that forest would have resolved all but one of the child mutants, so did I miss a part where the doctor suddenly stated that he wanted to keep them alive? They were clearly able to retrieve genetic material from a corpse since that was Stephen Merchant (Caliphan or whatever)'s fate.

Also, if the child mutants were trained to be soldiers, why did it take so long (and so few of them) to try to use their powers to attack the people chasing them? When they were running through the forest towards Canada, I was all "...um, can't any of you, you know, do anything but run away like regular folks?" I was particularly annoyed at the leader of the kids who appeared to either be telekinetic and/or could move or manipulate metal (the kid who lifted the army vehicle and dumped it on clone-Logan). Could he not have used that power to remove the guns and restraints from their attackers and captured kids? Also, I get that Wolverine isn't a fan of guns but c'mon, man. Jump on the truck with the machine gun (or whatever it was), commandeer that shit and turn it on the attackers. Way more efficient than taking them out by hand, one at a time, while being shot up. :)

I really wanted more information on the big tragedy surrounding Prof Xavier. The implication from the interrupted radio news segment after the casino confrontation seemed to be that something terrible (perhaps due to an onset of his dementia in relation to his powers) had happened and a bunch of the X-men (and/or students at the mansion) died? Really kind of annoyed that that was so briefly alluded to but then dropped.

Am I to presume that the weird paralysis of large groups that Prof X used to be capable of is now kind of spotty in its effectiveness due to the dementia? I don't recall Wolverine being somewhat immune before.

And...Wolverine's adamantium is poisoning him? Is...that right? Did something happen in a prior movie that I have forgotten? Why can't his mutant healing power counteract that? And so does poor Laura have that to look forward to as well?

Re: the adamantium bullet. Please forgive my utter ignorance of the lore, but: what? Where did that come from and why does the bullet's material prevent the mutant self-healing powers from working?

Ok, enough bitching...I'll end on positive notes:

- the acting was great

- the fighting done by Laura was immensely kick ass

- hearing Patrick Stewart throw down a bunch of F-bombs was surprisingly entertaining

- yay for Canada being a sanctuary!

I do not envy the next actor who will tapped to play Wolverine when the inevitable reboot/reimaging of the character/universe takes place.

[mtlchick]

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I really wanted more information on the big tragedy surrounding Prof Xavier. The implication from the interrupted radio news segment after the casino confrontation seemed to be that something terrible (perhaps due to an onset of his dementia in relation to his powers) had happened and a bunch of the X-men (and/or students at the mansion) died? Really kind of annoyed that that was so briefly alluded to but then dropped.

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Am I to presume that the weird paralysis of large groups that Prof X used to be capable of is now kind of spotty in its effectiveness due to the dementia? I don't recall Wolverine being somewhat immune before.

In some interviews, the filmmakers said there WAS more exposition as to what happened: that Charles' mind was becoming unstable and wiped out most of the surviving X-Men.  We've seen Charles easily freeze non mutants a la Saved By The Bell which people realizing it and in the case of X2, if he's under duress while hooked to Cerebro, he could easily kill mutants.  Logan was based on a comic book series called Old Man Logan.  (I never read it, but thanks Wikipedia) which said that Logan was the one that killed the rest of the X-Men based on kind of brain washing.  Since they wanted the movie more based in "reality", it was easier to say Charles' control of his own mind was getting the best of him and he inadvertently killed his students AND could not easily freeze people in motion without injury.  It was simply cut as they wanted to focus on the characters now than on continuing to dwell on the past year.

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And...Wolverine's adamantium is poisoning him? Is...that right? Did something happen in a prior movie that I have forgotten? Why can't his mutant healing power counteract that?

I was simply thinking that he is closing in on 200 years old and the adamantium was laid into him when he was well over 120.  Why does it take a bullet of the same material to kill him though...I'm not a scientist lol.

[Perfect Xero]

1 hour ago, NoWillToResist said:

And...Wolverine's adamantium is poisoning him? Is...that right? Did something happen in a prior movie that I have forgotten? Why can't his mutant healing power counteract that? And so does poor Laura have that to look forward to as well?

Re: the adamantium bullet. Please forgive my utter ignorance of the lore, but: what? Where did that come from and why does the bullet's material prevent the mutant self-healing powers from working?

I think he just got older and his healing factor started to slow down naturally, eventually getting slow enough that it couldn't keep up with the adamantium any more. Though the bad guy in The Wolverine did try to steal his healing factor,

45 minutes ago, mtlchick said:

I was simply thinking that he is closing in on 200 years old and the adamantium was laid into him when he was well over 120.  Why does it take a bullet of the same material to kill him though...I'm not a scientist lol.

Adamantium is the only thing that can destroy adamantium. Shoot him in the head with a normal bullet and it'll just bounce off his skull.

[Matt K]

28 minutes ago, Perfect Xero said:

I think he just got older and his healing factor started to slow down naturally, eventually getting slow enough that it couldn't keep up with the adamantium any more. Though the bad guy in The Wolverine did try to steal his healing factor,

Adamantium is the only thing that can destroy adamantium. Shoot him in the head with a normal bullet and it'll just bounce off his skull.

My speculation is that perhaps the healing factor got so taxed by what killed the rest of the X-men that it wasn't able to keep the adamantium poisoning at bay, and then once that happened it was downhill from there.  

 

I really liked the movie.  Never seen a single Wolverine movie before this, but honestly it seems to be doing its own thing (except for Wolverine, Prof X and a slight nod to the first movie) which I prefer.  I have to say watching Prof X, especially in the beginning, was tough.  Reminded me too much of my grandparent's condition (minus the psychic issue).  Thinking over the lack of end credit sequence, I would have loved an extended one where the kids (now older) are telling stories about The Wolverine.  It would have been a nice capstone to the movie, but it worked well without one, ending on the lingering shot of the grave.

[Scarlett45]

On 3/4/2017 at 6:10 PM, Cobalt Stargazer said:

"So this is what it feels like..."

As was said upthread, the trailer had me at Johnny Cash, but man, I didn't expect it to hit me like that. Logan/Wolverine has never been my favorite character, but this was a hell of a final bow for Jackman. I couldn't get over how tired he looked for most of the film; not just the gray in his hair and beard, but the weariness in his posture, as if he could never get enough sleep. I may have to process the movie more fully later, because I'm still feeling a litttle shook. This is what it feels like, indeed.

I have to say the makeup people did an excellent job on his wounds. Things that weren't healing quite right, scabs etc. 

[Spartan Girl]

The part with Logan and Laura taking out those guys that were frozen during Charles' seizure was a more violent version of the Quicksilver scenes in the last two X-Men movies.

[MisterGlass]

6 hours ago, Perfect Xero said:

I think he just got older and his healing factor started to slow down naturally, eventually getting slow enough that it couldn't keep up with the adamantium any more.

I thought perhaps the adamantium had a longer shelf life in the body than standard implant metal, and only started to break down several decades after implantation.  His healing factor kept making repairs, but couldn't prevent the material from continuing to break down and release particles, and couldn't fully combat external injuries too.  He could be suffering from body-wide metallosis, and all the associated pain.

The radio talking about the Westchester incident said seven X-men died.  It broke my heart, and I was glad they didn't dwell on it too much.  I kept counting them off, wondering which combination of deaths would leave Wolverine alone to take care of Charles. 

[caracas1914]

I do agree that the younger mutants seemed to be the weak link plot-wise, how did they mange to get to the rendezvous point considering how weak and vulnerable they looked once the bad guys got there.  It took the combined efforts of several X men  to get Laura there.

The Wolverine saga screams out for the type of violent mayhem this film provided.  A PG rated Wolverine just doesn't cut it..
 

Edited March 7, 2017 by caracas1914

[Scarlett45]

9 hours ago, MisterGlass said:

I thought perhaps the adamantium had a longer shelf life in the body than standard implant metal, and only started to break down several decades after implantation.  His healing factor kept making repairs, but couldn't prevent the material from continuing to break down and release particles, and couldn't fully combat external injuries too.  He could be suffering from body-wide metallosis, and all the associated pain.

The radio talking about the Westchester incident said seven X-men died.  It broke my heart, and I was glad they didn't dwell on it too much.  I kept counting them off, wondering which combination of deaths would leave Wolverine alone to take care of Charles. 

I think that it is important to remember that Wolverine wasn't born with adamantium in his skeleton, it was implanted. Any foreign substance is going to have an impact on the body. Had he never had that implant he may have lived another 100yrs, but the fact that it was slowly poisioning him didn't surprise me. 

The fact that some other kids made it didn't surprise me. They may have focused the man hunt on Laura given how powerful and leathal she was (and the daughter of wolverine, who's DNA they used to make x-24). I doubt the higher ups followed all the kids like that. Also these are mutant kids with powers that have been trained to fight. What was odd was that none of the other adults (nurses that helped them escape) made it. The odd thing about Laura was how did she know how to drive?!!! She grew up in a lab! Driving is something you have to practice in order to do it well. 

Edited March 7, 2017 by Scarlett45

[Eyes High]

Just doing the math...if there were no new mutants born in 25 years, how long would it take for the already-existing mutant population to die out, assuming there were no attempts at active eradication? And on that point, were the already-existing mutants hunted down and wiped out? I thought Richard E. Grant's character said something to that effect, but maybe he was just talking about the genetic engineering preventing any new mutant births.

Edited March 7, 2017 by Eyes High

[Traveller519]

There's a lot to digest from this movie, but I will say that it kept my interest for the full 2:18, which is always a good start.

Throughout his life, Logan's tried to be the loner. I believe it's a motivation to protect the world from himself, as he sees it, because everyone who he gets close to suffers, as he explains to Laura. However, the reason he's always worked as a member of the X-Men is that deep down he has a loyalty to those that need it, an inherent nature to protect. It's just that when you're instinctually drawn to people who need protection, those people that have a lot of suffering.

During the "burial" scene it sounded to me like through some Wolverine sobs, Logan mentioned Scott, maybe something about wishing Scott was there, given how close he and the professor were. Did anyone else catch that, or maybe I just heard something else?

[TigerLynx]

I thought the adamantium combined with all the other experiments done on Wolverine, and all the damage over the years was finally taking its toll.  Striker did not expect Wolverine to survive having the adamantium added to his skeleton.  They only did the procedure so they could get Wolverine's DNA.  In Wolverine's backstory, Striker shot Wolverine in the head with an adamantium bullet.  It did not kill him, but it did erase his memories.  At this point, with both his body and healing abilities breaking down, the adamantium bullet might kill him.  The clone's healing abilities weren't as good as Wolverine's.  That's why one adamantium bullet destroyed half of his skull.  Victor's healing abilities weren't as good either.  That's why the procedure could not be done on him.  It's interesting that in some ways the adamantium gave Wolverine better abilities, but overtime it's the thing that kills him.

The humans hunting the mutants never learn.  They couldn't control the mutants (long term), they couldn't control the children made from mutant DNA, but they think they will be able to control clones made from mutant DNA.  If Logan's clone hadn't been killed, given enough time, I think it would have turned on its creators.  If it was really Logan's clone, it would have his mental/personality characteristics as well as his physical characteristics, and except for Professor Xavier, Logan hates authority figures.

[Perfect Xero]

It seemed like they only really got on Laura's trail because the nurse went to Logan for help, and they had realized that was something she might do so they were watching him. They only stayed on her trail because that also lead them to Caliban (and then the picture). So, yeah, in that sense I can imagine that the others kept a low profile and filtered north. They all seemed much more capable of having normal interactions with people.

[SuburbanHangSuite]

On 3/6/2017 at 5:00 PM, Matt K said:

I really liked the movie.  Never seen a single Wolverine movie before this, but honestly it seems to be doing its own thing (except for Wolverine, Prof X and a slight nod to the first movie) which I prefer.  

So I thought I was the only one who didn't know all of the history---had never seen an X-Men or Wolverine film until this one but I really didn't feel lost.  It really is a good stand-alone movie.  

[Perfect Xero]

I think that this movie plays better if you've seen X-Men and X2. It's a much more satisfying, though depressing, conclusion to the original X Trilogy than X3 (which, were always mostly movies about Logan and Xavier anyway). 

[Traveller519]

A couple more miscellaneous thoughts with some time to digest.

I really liked Stephen Merchant's performance. I went and saw Table 19 last night and he's got his more typical comedy tics there, which makes his muted dramatic performance in Logan stand out so much more. I hope I get to see more drama from him.

I actually would have enjoyed the family scenes going on a bit longer. We get the half smile out of Laura at dinner and the iPod scene, a little more to show her relief at the presence of a "normal" life would have weighed the third act even heavier, in my opinion. I realize it's already a long movie, but that scene felt a bit rushed to me.

[mtlchick]

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I really liked Stephen Merchant's performance.

In a complete aside, I sort of wished he did a Lip Sync Battle with Hugh and Patrick for Spike TV.  I know I would have been in tears from laughing so hard!

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It's a much more satisfying, though depressing, conclusion to the original X Trilogy than X3

I like to act X3 never existed (but since everything was retconned after Days of Future Past...nope, it still happened and it still leaves a sour taste.)

[Perfect Xero]

[BitterApple]

My husband and I saw this today and reacted completely differently. I thought it was amazing and he thought it was just okay. He's a massive Wolverine groupie and it was hard for him to watch Logan as an older, diminished version of himself. Personally I thought it had to play out that way, because it was Jackman's last turn in the role and there needed to be some sort of closure to the character, but hubby wasn't buying it. 

I thought the little girl who played Laura was amazing. Considering she was non-verbal for half the movie, I thought she did a great job acting through body language and facial expressions without being totally hammy about it.

I read reviews of the movie and expected it to be dark, but damn, it was brutal. That black family getting killed was horrible to watch. I was really surprised Professor Xavier would take them up on their offer of dinner, especially knowing the sort of danger it would put them in. 

Edited March 10, 2017 by BitterApple

[Sandman]

On 2017-03-03 at 6:43 PM, Lantern7 said:

Also: how weird is it that we had a trilogy where the quality went from crap to decent to holy FUCK?

I'm astonished that this movie was written and directed by James Mangold, who directed The Wolverine -- because The Wolverine was thoroughly, gut-punchingly terrible. But maybe the screenwriters deserve the majority of the blame for the fact that the storyline of The Wolverine was nonsensical.

[mtlchick]

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I'm astonished that this movie was written and directed by James Mangold, who directed The Wolverine -- because The Wolverine was thoroughly, gut-punchingly terrible

I didn't the Wolverine was THAT bad, especially against Origins, if only for the bullet train sequence and the return of Charles/Erick.  It was his grief over Jean, a woman that wasn't his to begin with that I have a problem.

 

But talk about different extremes since Jackman and Mangold first worked together on Kate and Leopold!

[BetterButter]

[benteen]

I thought the first 2/3s of The Wolverine was good and then it descended into the same storyline chaos that plagued Wolverine Origins.  Making the Silver Samurai an armored robot instead of an actual mutant was easily one of the dumbest decisions made in the X-Men-related movies.  Just completely idiotic.  I liked Yukio a lot and Mariko wasn't bad either.

[Bruinsfan]

On 3/4/2017 at 6:14 PM, MisterGlass said:

He had at least one cataract that was visible in the hotel scene.  His vision is very poor, it was a dark room, and he was not looking for an enemy.

Also, his telepathy would have been muted if not completely supressed by that point. Charles was probably used to depending on that more than his eyesight at his advanced age.

On 3/6/2017 at 1:39 PM, NoWillToResist said:

Re: the adamantium bullet. Please forgive my utter ignorance of the lore, but: what? Where did that come from and why does the bullet's material prevent the mutant self-healing powers from working?

I think it's actually having half his brain blown out that prevents the healing powers from working, as it's pretty much instant death.

On 3/6/2017 at 3:24 PM, Perfect Xero said:

Adamantium is the only thing that can destroy adamantium. Shoot him in the head with a normal bullet and it'll just bounce off his skull.

An adamantium bullet should have bounced off his skull too, the only difference would be that the bullet wouldn't pancake like a lead one would. In theory one piece of virtually indestructible metal could pierce another, but it would need a LOT more momentum than a gun could provide. Maybe Magneto could put enough force behind it, if he could concentrate thousands of tons of lifting power onto an object that small. Of course we don't actually know that X-24 had a skull plated with adamantium like Logan does—it might just be that no one else tried a close-up headshot that would leave a big exit wound on him and thwart his healing abilities.

[rina9294]

On 3/6/2017 at 2:39 PM, NoWillToResist said:

Also, if the child mutants were trained to be soldiers, why did it take so long (and so few of them) to try to use their powers to attack the people chasing them? When they were running through the forest towards Canada, I was all "...um, can't any of you, you know, do anything but run away like regular folks?" I was particularly annoyed at the leader of the kids who appeared to either be telekinetic and/or could move or manipulate metal (the kid who lifted the army vehicle and dumped it on clone-Logan). Could he not have used that power to remove the guns and restraints from their attackers and captured kids? Also, I get that Wolverine isn't a fan of guns but c'mon, man. Jump on the truck with the machine gun (or whatever it was), commandeer that shit and turn it on the attackers. Way more efficient than taking them out by hand, one at a time, while being shot up. :)

Just as a note, the leader of the kids was Rictor who has the power to generate earthquakes. He's a favorite of mine from the X-Factor books, so I was excited when I heard his name. He lifted the truck by raising the ground under it,  not by doing anything to the truck itself - he was also the one bouncing the ball off the cinderblocks that were pushed out of the wall of his room in the lab.

 

Overall, really liked the movie and thought it was a fitting end to the Wolverine saga.

[TVSpectator]

So I found this video on the X-Men franchised's timeline and I thought that maybe people would be interested in it since some are questioning the concept of the whole, "no new X-Men has been born in the last past of X years." The video makes the case that this line doesn't contradict anything because in X-Men Days of Future Past, when Kitty Pride sent Wolverine to the past, to the 70s to be specific, and that he was able to stop the future (from where he came) he created a new timeline that only contained a few but not all aspect of the other films and that Logan is at the end of this new timeline (hint some of the X-Men franchised movies do not take place in the year that they were released into theaters. I actually didn't know, that some of them didn't take place in their release year. I do know that some of them don't take place in their release year, but it's interesting to watch, IMO. :

Edited March 12, 2017 by TVSpectator

[snickers]

I saw this opening weekend and I thought it was just okay.  While i didn't mind it being R rated I just thought it was too much of a departure from a typical X men movie....like I don't mind change, but this was just too different. I know the critics liked it, but i was disappointed and i thought it moved way too slow.

 

I liked the dynamic between logan and charles and i felt sooo bad for the farmer family but was not surprised.....the girl was decent and i liked the dynamic between her/logan/charles

 

i was annoyed that people brought their kids to this in the theater i was in, and of course the one was on their phone the entire time...bored no doubt

Edited March 13, 2017 by snickers

[BitterApple]

49 minutes ago, snickers said:

I saw this opening weekend and I thought it was just okay.  While i didn't mind it being R rated I just thought it was too much of a departure from a typical X men movie....like I don't mind change, but this was just too different. I know the critics liked it, but i was disappointed and i thought it moved way too slow.

That was the issue my husband had as well. He was expecting it to fall in line with previous X-men movies and just couldn't get into the "No Country For Old Men" style of the film.

[Bruinsfan]

It was a big tonal shift, but as it gave strong character focus on two of the three best actors in the franchise I didn't feel like complaining. They could have added another hour of dinner conversation and I'd have been happy with it.

[NoWillToResist]

On 2017-03-12 at 3:23 PM, rina9294 said:

Just as a note, the leader of the kids was Rictor who has the power to generate earthquakes. He's a favorite of mine from the X-Factor books, so I was excited when I heard his name. He lifted the truck by raising the ground under it,  not by doing anything to the truck itself - he was also the one bouncing the ball off the cinderblocks that were pushed out of the wall of his room in the lab.

 

Thanks for clarifying his powers! However, I confess it still leaves me annoyed with him. If he can heave up the earth, wouldn't that have been a helpful deterrent when they were being chased by baddies? If nothing else, it might have delayed the baddies' progress. Could have neutralized the truck with the machine gun on top too...

I get that they are kids but since they appear to have been trained (from their earliest existence) to fight and be soldiers, I'd expect a little less running scared and a little more "wanna play, mere humans? Bring it!" ;)

[Silver Raven]

Isn't Rictor one of the few openly gay Marvel characters?

[Fukui San]

Yes. Judging by his appearances in X-Factor over the last few years, he's bi as he's had romances with Rahne and Shatterstar. 

[TVSpectator]

On 3/12/2017 at 9:14 PM, snickers said:

i was annoyed that people brought their kids to this in the theater i was in, and of course the one was on their phone the entire time...bored no doubt

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Yeah, I can understand. When I went to see Deadpool in the theater, there were people who brought their kids (well they looked like that they were 13-14 years old) and it wasn't even the opening weekend but at least a month after it came out. I mean by then you, as a parent had to know that this wasn't for kids. 

[tennisgurl]

Guys...I've got seriously mixed feelings. I grew up with the X-Men movies. The first X-Men was my first superhero movie, and the cartoon was my first real exposure to superheroes in general. I've seen all the movies in the theater, and I've really loved them all, in their own ways (yes, I even like parts of X3 and Origins. They're not good, but they have their moments) and the franchise has a special place in my heart.

I thought this was a really well done movie, with wonderful performances from everyone, especially HJ, PS, and the girl who played Laura. I hope to see her in lots of other things soon, because she was awesome. The action was super intense, the story well paced, and it hit me HARD in the feels several times. Its clearly taking bits and pieces from various comic book storylines, but that's what most comic book adaptations end up doing, more or less. It doesn't bother me. I think I`ll like this movie more later on, and I`ll appreciate its dark and gritty tone, and the swan song for two of the franchises most iconic characters. BUT...

Like I said, I've grown up with this franchise. I'm even watching Legion right now over on FX (which is weird, but good, and may or may not be in continuity), its something that has always been a part of my life. I spent so much of my life with these characters, and watching their struggles to create a world where humans and mutants can live together in peace, and now...it all seems like it was pointless. We see Logan and Charles are broken, sickly shells of their former shelves,  just about every other mutant we have gotten to know died a tragic and pointless death, and mutant kind has gone extinct. Logan and Charles die forgotten in the woods, and that's it. Yeah the kids make it out, but mutants are still gone, and every character we have gotten to know in the franchise is presumed dead now. Its just so depressing, and it retroactively makes the whole franchise depressing. I know the X-Men films have always been on the darker side of superhero stories, but this is just...bleak. I watch the other movies from time to time. They're kind of my go to "I'm bored and want to be entertained" movies. But now, when I watch them, I'm just going to be thinking "all of this is totally pointless, and all these people are doomed. Life sucks, don't forget it!" I'm sure that eventually I will be able to get some more perspective, but, right now, I'm just really depressed. Impressed at how well done and mature this movie is, but still depressed.