S07.E12: The Other C Word

[KungFuBunny]

4 hours ago, Giselle said:

Hey Chris, Shut up, go home, take your Easter island faced wackjob of a wife with you and go raid another company of it's assets.

We see you for who you are,  trapped, strapped, and pussy wipped and just as desperate as your wife.

Jacko is morphing into Mr Potato Head gone mad. Her features are no longer where they originally started.

[ZaldamoWilder]

Jac:  they don't deserve to have me in their life

'damo: no truer words you unstable muffacah

Raise your hand if you've ever walked up to the person you felt threatened by and had a seat in their lap.

14 hours ago, breezy424 said:

From the other side of the room:  Jac's presentation sucked but she was right on about a lot of things.  Robyn and her wife Christine are 'new' people in Tre's life.  I wonder why?  Robyn has been arrested for violence.  I forget if it was Siggy or Delores who said it, but Robyn threw out the first threat.  Thankfully they left.

Really Melissa, you forgot to relay half the story about Robyn.  That was the part that Delores and Siggy both said that Robyn should leave.  You put blame solely on Jac.  And please, you knew that Jac gave you a warning about what was going to go down at the fashion show.  You don't remember?  BS on that.  And BS on you later saying that you answered the question.  You didn't.

And Tre, you are a criminal.  Please.  You went to a federal penitentiary for a year because you were convicted of a federal crime.  Forty two counts of con artist.

Apparently Jac was spot on about Mel's nose job(s).  When asked on WWHL, Tre's response was that Jac broke girl code.  Nuff said.  It's finally out.  It'll be an interesting question at the reunion.

Very interesting in all this is that Delores IMO was very supportive of Jac.  She's been around both Tre and Jac for a number of years.  And I loved her TH about Mel looking like she was going to Studio 54 and Tre looking like she was wearing Melania's headband.   Add to that both Siggy and Delores left.  I think that says a lot about the situation. 

Tre and Mel's relationship is total BS.

Lastly, I don't think Jac is jealous of Mel and Tre's relationship.  She sees the total BS of it.  And as for Chris, I think he totally loves his wife.  He never disparages her or her feelings. 

She was asked how she felt about Jacqueline screaming that out.  Her response was about the specific type of asshole Jac is*.   It wasn't a confirmation about the number of Melissa's rhinoplastys (sorry I just like saying rhinoplasty).  More pointedly lol, in response to the WWHL poll question (do you think Melissa has had 4 nose jobs - 76% said yes) Teresa was wowed by the results.  Then he asked her directly, well, has she?  She said no.  He followed up right away with: has she had 3? (shady bastard lol) she giggled and said no.  

*specific type of asshole Jac is:

1 hour ago, TattleTeeny said:

But really, who cares? If you want to be friends with someone, and want them to be friends with you, these are completely irrelevant things to use in an argument about "being hurt." Melissa didn't get those friendship-ending nose jobs that day, and Teresa has been a convicted criminal for a couple years now. If these things (which affect Jacqueline not at all) were so offensive, she should have cut her ties with them. This is like me saying to my BF during a fight, "Well, you once got a DUI before I even knew you so I win!"

Game over.   Girl code includes the tacit agreement that no matter how bad our fight is, you don't exhume dead bodies.   Ever.  Men do this everyday without even realizing it.  Jacqueline will never have close female friendships because she doesn't respect confidences, whatever your secret is it comes flying right out the minute she's mad at you.  The most annoying part of that for me is what the actual fuck do 4 nose jobs have to do with the price of Oolong tea in India?   By the time they graduate high school most women learn that being right about the information (in a friendship) is never more important than your willingness to reveal it.  

3 hours ago, FanOfTheFans said:

Boy Chris was really encouraging the crazy with Jaq last night. She loves Teresa and is such a victim line. Must be the only way he can survive living with her. Just don't rock that boat Chris.  

And I am sure the doctor office that Melissa and Jaq share really appreciated her outing them for sharing a patient's health information.  I mean, no big deal, right. HIPPA fines can run in the six figure range for violations. Sheesh.  Not that I believe her but still. 

Chile you cannot find his name anywhere.   Lol.  I doubt very much he or his staff released this information.  Bergen County is too small and too affluent for him to risk his license and reputation messing with the likes of Jacqueline.  If we ever find out who it is, it's because Jac told.  And that's just fine, it's her right to tell her business.   But if Melissa doesn't want to disclose her surgery, no one else has the right to take that from her. 

4 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Jaq and Chris must be absolutely desperate for the money to be acting like this on TV. It's sad and pathetic. 

I loved it when she left early and immediately invited Kathy over to brush each other's hair and gossip. Come ON. 

I. can. not. watch. Jaq talk with her hands anymore. Who do "we" (you know, the royal we, board members) in Psychiatry here? Is she so damaged that she doesn't think anyone listens to her that she has to emphasize what she says? Does she have no vocab? It is because her face cannot move to match her words? Her hand talking is screaming something about here and I cannot figure it out!

What the hell did I just watch? 

Again I have stayed at Topnotch and those Villas are dated. The hotel is SO much nicer. 

Me to the bathroom mirror, every Sunday night.

Ordering extra buffalo wings during housewifemageddon means Delores is my spirit animal.

Siggy is way too Secret Life of Bees to be on this show.   I can't help it, I still like her kinda yenta ways though lol.

Juicy got me two weeks in a row.   I didn't appreciate the brush off to Rosie's apology in the bookstore last week, but I did keel over at his execution:  Ciccio, la porta.   Talking to/fist pumping his daughters at breakfast made me smile then wanna rage on his ass for his stupidity.   They'll never be that little again.    :(

Edited October 3, 2016 by ZaldamoWilder

[Kellyee]

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Melissa did it because it was family and because of the benefits it brought her family by helping Joe Gudice while Theresa was away. She stepped up and was accepted, her help with the girls and her in-laws was accepted and appreciated, her husband was able to mend fences with his parents and his sisters family and is much happier, the bonds between their families are stronger. She showed support in standing with the family. Melissa proved herself to Joe Gudice, her in-laws, her nieces, and most of all Theresa.

What did Melissa need to prove? What did she ever really do to Teresa that rises up to the level of having her sister-in-law and her posse set her up to be called a stripper?

The family bonds are stronger because everyone in the family is kissing Teresa's ass. While Jacqueline is surely insane, her words weren't necessary untrue. And Melissa used to be standing right next to her. Their family gets along because Joe Gorga accepts his status as least favorite sibling to their parents, and because everyone plays the game of "Joe and Teresa were unfairly persecuted". Nothing has actually been resolved, and the minute Melissa says something honest or just says the wrong thing, its all going right back in the toilet.

[LilaFowler]

I can't stand Siggy.  In some ways she's worse than Wacky Jac.  At least Wacky has history here with these people, Siggy is clearly trying to secure a place on the show by putting her nose in where it doesn't belong.

It drives Jac nuts that Melissa and Tre are getting along.  Just refuse to film with her. 

[ghoulina]

2 hours ago, MaggieG said:

Joe Go: "Before you guys talk, can we have dinner?" Hahaha, I'm with you, Joe. He knew it was going to turn into a shitshow and the poor guy was hungry.

That was my first thought when it all started. "Crap, Joe didn't get to order yet". 

[nexxie]

Tre is close to anyone who kisses her ass and remains useful ("soldiers," "flying monkeys") - anyone who sees through her and/or stops being useful is tossed away like a broken toy. Just like any narcissist anywhere. I'm amazed that so many viewers still fall for her shit.

[imjagain]

Even if  Jacq thinks Melissa and Teresa are being fake about getting along, why does she care? What difference does it make to her?  If Melissa and Teresa have to fake it for family bfd. Teresa needs her family right now,  that includes her brother Joe.  Melissa is doing what she has to do for her family. 

Why isn't Jacq on that manzo show? 

[teapot]

24 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Tre is close to anyone who kisses her ass and remains useful ("soldiers," "flying monkeys") - anyone who sees through her and/or stops being useful is tossed away like a broken toy. Just like any narcissist anywhere. I'm amazed that so many viewers still fall for her shit.

I think she's good TV...and some of the customs/phrases/traditions remind me of our Boston-area Italian family.  But would I wanna hang out w/any of these people IRL?

HELL, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....

[pbutler111]

I know that saying that a reality show is contrived is like saying that water is wet, but the New Jersey franchise seems to have achieved new heights (or depths) of contrived drama. Dolores's sudden screaming outburst was about the most awkwardly contrived moment of them all. It was so clear to me that she had been rehearsing this as her big moment to stand out, and all she needed was a good opening to spin it out. When a good opening didn't come, she instead let loose in a pause in the conversation, which was less effective, but at least she got all that air time with the endless promos of her big moment. (You know things are bad when Theresa has become the voice of reason. Her confrontation with Jax about her claim of feeling "threatened" by Robyn was somewhat satisfying in the soundness of her logic. If Jax had felt threatened, she wouldn't have gone and plunked her overstuffed ass on the woman's lap and started screaming at her.) But the show has become less a "reality" show and more a series of skits loosely based on the lives of real people.

[nexxie]

9 minutes ago, teapot said:

I think she's good TV...and some of the customs/phrases/traditions remind me of our Boston-area Italian family.  But would I wanna hang out w/any of these people IRL?

HELL, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....

I agree that she is good TV - Bravo's playbook seems to be about hiring narcissists for just this reason; every show has at least one.

[Yours Truly]

2 hours ago, politichick said:

The woman very publically went to fucking prison. What more do people want? She's not going to spend her days apologizing for past misdeeds.

 

That's my point. Seems like people need to serve time before anything is ever let go.

Tre has and yet her castmate still can't bring herself to do it. Yeah she's crazy but I'm just amused at what is necessary for people to leave shit alone and not feel entitled to be offended by it on a daily basis.

Hell at least with Tre there is a LEGIT reason why her mere presence is offensive. Prison time or not.

Edited October 3, 2016 by Yours Truly

[breezy424]

1 hour ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

Jac:  they don't deserve to have me in their life

'damo: no truer words you unstable muffacah

Raise your hand if you've ever walked up to the person you felt threatened by and had a seat in their lap.

She was asked how she felt about Jacqueline screaming that out.  Her response was about the specific type of asshole Jac is*.   It wasn't a confirmation about the number of Melissa's rhinoplastys (sorry I just like saying rhinoplasty).  More pointedly lol, in response to the WWHL poll question (do you think Melissa has had 4 nose jobs - 76% said yes) Teresa was wowed by the results.  Then he asked her directly, well, has she?  She said no.  He followed up right away with: has she had 3? (shady bastard lol) she giggled and said no.  

*specific type of asshole Jac is:

Game over.   Girl code includes the tacit agreement that no matter how bad our fight is, you don't exhume dead bodies.   Ever.  Men do this everyday without even realizing it.  Jacqueline will never have close female friendships because she doesn't respect confidences, whatever your secret is it comes flying right out the minute she's mad at you.  The most annoying part of that for me is what the actual fuck do 4 nose jobs have to do with the price of Oolong tea in India?   By the time they graduate high school most women learn that being right about the information (in a friendship) is never more important than your willingness to reveal it.  

Chile you cannot find his name anywhere.   Lol.  I doubt very much he or his staff released this information.  Bergen County is too small and too affluent for him to risk his license and reputation messing with the likes of Jacqueline.  If we ever find out who it is, it's because Jac told.  And that's just fine, it's her right to tell her business.   But if Melissa doesn't want to disclose her surgery, no one else has the right to take that from her. 

Me to the bathroom mirror, every Sunday night.

Ordering extra buffalo wings during housewifemageddon means Delores is my spirit animal.

Siggy is way too Secret Life of Bees to be on this show.   I can't help it, I still like her kinda yenta ways though lol.

Juicy got me two weeks in a row.   I didn't appreciate the brush off to Rosie's apology in the bookstore last week, but I did keel over at his execution:  Ciccio, la porta.   Talking to/fist pumping his daughters at breakfast made me smile then wanna rage on his ass for his stupidity.   They'll never be that little again.    :(

What Tre said regarding the nose jobs:

“Well, first of all, she broke the girl code. She didn’t have four nose jobs. Jacqueline broke the girl code. You’re not supposed to spill the beans on your girlfriend and it wasn’t four nose jobs.”
http://www.realitytea.com/2016/10/02/teresa-giudice-says-jacqueline-laurita-broke-girl-code-not-happy-kim-d/

My point is that Tre never denied that Melissa 'never' had a nose job.  Melissa has claimed for years that she 'never' had a nose job.

[FanOfTheFans]

2 hours ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

 

Chile you cannot find his name anywhere.   Lol.  I doubt very much he or his staff released this information.  Bergen County is too small and too affluent for him to risk his license and reputation messing with the likes of Jacqueline.  If we ever find out who it is, it's because Jac told.  And that's just fine, it's her right to tell her business.   But if Melissa doesn't want to disclose her surgery, no one else has the right to take that from her. 

You don't need to mention a name. All it takes to get the ball rolling is one disgruntled employee. The people who work there know the scoop. I have seen investigations started on much less. Feds don't mess around. I thought it was a very stupid thing to say but as I said, I don't necessarily believe Jaq either. 

[LilaFowler]

Anyone who has eyes can see that Melissa has had work done but sis looks good, so who cares?  Her hair is super cute this season, too.  Jac is so jealous of Melissa she can't see straight. 

[Giselle]

2 hours ago, Kellyee said:

What did Melissa need to prove? What did she ever really do to Teresa that rises up to the level of having her sister-in-law and her posse set her up to be called a stripper?

The family bonds are stronger because everyone in the family is kissing Teresa's ass. While Jacqueline is surely insane, her words weren't necessary untrue. And Melissa used to be standing right next to her. Their family gets along because Joe Gorga accepts his status as least favorite sibling to their parents, and because everyone plays the game of "Joe and Teresa were unfairly persecuted". Nothing has actually been resolved, and the minute Melissa says something honest or just says the wrong thing, its all going right back in the toilet.

Melissa may not have felt she had to prove her self to anybody but her actions whether altruistic or not were seen as proof to the family that she was there and stood by them thus I used the word proved.

We really don't know what the family dynamic is these days, what has changed, what remains the same.  I think the family's main concern isn't so much Theresa but Theresa's children. I think it is for them to decide what it takes to be in a good place and what to consider being in a good place. Whether Jaq, Sig, or we think its bullshit it still doesn't matter.

If Melissa wants to take it up the ass from Theresa that is her prerogative. If the family wants to be in denial and walk on eggshells it's their right. It's none of Jaq's and Siggy's business except where it affects them, meaning their friendship. They are not family. And the only reason it has affected Jaq and Siggy's relationship to Theresa and Melissa is because they have pushed their nose into family business where it doesn't belong, mouthed off, and they don't like the result. Melissa and Theresa have called a truce for the sake of their family.

Screw Jaq and screw Siggy, and screw Delores. They can shout "truths" from the rooftop but still it's not their fucking family and they don't get to decide how that family functions, functional or dysfunctional, it's none of their fucking business. Why are they so invested? It's only because they want camera time and a paycheck. When all is said and done twenty thirty years from now, with the show long over, Theresa and Melissa's family will still be there trying to function fragmented or not. The rest of them will have scattered to live their own lives.

[lezlers]

1 hour ago, breezy424 said:

What Tre said regarding the nose jobs:

“Well, first of all, she broke the girl code. She didn’t have four nose jobs. Jacqueline broke the girl code. You’re not supposed to spill the beans on your girlfriend and it wasn’t four nose jobs.”
http://www.realitytea.com/2016/10/02/teresa-giudice-says-jacqueline-laurita-broke-girl-code-not-happy-kim-d/

My point is that Tre never denied that Melissa 'never' had a nose job.  Melissa has claimed for years that she 'never' had a nose job.

Well anyone can look at a picture and know that's complete bullshit.  However, what does that matter?  What was the point of bringing that up other than the fact that Jaq acts like a junior high school girl?  Seriously, the woman is whacked.  She does not act like a well adjusted adult.  At all.  And some of it could be attributed to editing, but she does seem to go from zero to a hundred at warp speed.  Also?  How much surgery has Jaq had?  She's starting to look deformed.  Plastic surgery as a point of insult coming from her is ironic at best.

I admit, I laughed HARD at Tre's talking head when she suggested maybe the doctor injected Jaq's brain with something during one of her many, many procedures.  That shit was funny.  And likely true.

[ElDosEquis]

I happened by the show and got sucked into the pre-dinner warmups.

I LOVED the shots in the restaurant with the server taking orders while the gloves were coming off and the people in the background - especially the people in the bar as Jac left.

I don't know WHAT IN THE world they were fighting about but I learned the quickest way to stop shit like that is NOT to try and one-up your opponent.

The best way is to smile and nod yes and watch them implode.

I wanted sushi after seeing them eat.

[Giselle]

3 hours ago, nexxie said:

Tre is close to anyone who kisses her ass and remains useful ("soldiers," "flying monkeys") - anyone who sees through her and/or stops being useful is tossed away like a broken toy. Just like any narcissist anywhere. I'm amazed that so many viewers still fall for her shit.

As to being a narcissist the same could be said of most all of the housewives and "friends of housewives" across the genre.  Nature of the beast, it's why they are on TV. It's all about them being on TV. And for the most part I believe it to be "If you ain't helping me, you're hurting me."

 I think viewers see Thresa for exactly who she is and what she does. She is a criminal and served time no matter what she says or won't say so why belabor the point that she isn't going to tell us "Mea Culpa" every episode and twice a day on social media.  If anyone feels duped at this point in the game they deserve no pity.

Do I hope prison changed her for the better? Yes.

Is it real? I don't know, I don't care but it's made for an interesting TV season.

Will I be surprised to find out she is still the same as she was before she went in? No.

And I'll state again, I don't mind Soul Sucking Bravo helping her to pay her debt to the government, or pay her bills, or pay any judgement levied against her. Her family for the time being has entertainment value. Bravo is capitalizing on it why shouldn't we as tax payers and citizens. If she wasn't on Bravo not identifying as being a criminal, allowing us to pick apart her life or writing craptastic books she would be paying back those she wronged at a much slower pace if at all.

Edited October 3, 2016 by Giselle

[TattleTeeny]

3 hours ago, nexxie said:

Tre is close to anyone who kisses her ass and remains useful ("soldiers," "flying monkeys") - anyone who sees through her and/or stops being useful is tossed away like a broken toy. Just like any narcissist anywhere. I'm amazed that so many viewers still fall for her shit.

Kathy and Rosie were kissing ass pretty hard and she didn't welcome them back into the fold as she did with Jacqueline. I'm not falling for anything, and I don't necessarily see that (and without an educated diagnosis, I'm not putting any stock into the narcissist label either--not much a fan of online diagnoses; lots of people are narcissistic but not necessarily textbook NPD, just like how all people who like things orderly are not afflicted with OCD). I also don't see how Jacqueline is useful to her in the first place, and she hasn't necessarily been thrown away (even after doing that kitchen sequel to Ambush on the Back Deck). Lots of people eventually people say fuck it, whatever, with a friend who's a real pain in the ass; maybe they don't necessarily declare that person an arch enemy but go about their own business without caring much one way or he other what that friend does.

[psychoticstate]

If Jac's goal was to ruin Teresa's trip, she succeeded.  What in fresh hell was all that?  As I pointed out in a post last night, three or four minutes into the episode and Jac is already crying.  Please Baby Jesus, save us from this.  Or at least get this ho on something for hormones because she exhausts me through the t.v.  No wonder Chris can fall asleep fully clothed and wearing a mic.  

I agree that Jac is crazy jealous over anyone that is friendly with Teresa as well as jealous of Teresa herself.  She may have been secretly thrilled that Teresa went to "camp" (the other other c word?) and then pissed that Teresa came back to a book deal, her husband and kids being okay and a calmer, more zen outlook.  Jac feeds off the drama, it's what makes her thrive. 

What is it with these hos that they have to whip out their phones and call people to prove a point?  Seriously?  Clearly Melissa remembered what happened with Strippergate but didn't want to rehash it.  No need to keep screeching at her, pointing at her, demanding an answer, and then call her a fake bitch.  

I noticed patrons in the background during this - - they looked shocked.  I would have been too.  That shit is embarrassing.  Jac made herself - and Chris by extension -  look ridiculous. 

I don't really understand why Siggy was getting so emotional.  If she's a relationship expert, she should have a poker face on at all times. This was really nothing new with regard to Teresa and Jac. 

And I truly don't understand why Siggy and Delores felt they had to return to Jersey.  Did more happen that we didn't see?  Because they were acting all kinds of PTSD.  Robyn was the one that got into it with crazy Jac and she seemed okay.

And what did Sig and Delores expect the next morning?   That Melissa and Teresa would show up with dark circles under their eyes, toting cartons of Ben & Jerry's and crying?  After that nonsense, Jac wasn't crying FOR ONCE.  Of course she also acted like she was a high manic episode but she said she was relieved the truth came out.  Maybe Melissa and Teresa felt the same.  They had a day planned; why let Me-Me-Me Jac ruin it?  Sig and Delores weren't upset about Robyn and Christina leaving early, so why the uber concern with Jac?   She went home with her husband.  Big deal. 

I support whoever voted Jac off the island and to Manzo'd With Children.  Yes!  And take Ashlee/Ashley with you.  

[ZaldamoWilder]

3 hours ago, breezy424 said:

What Tre said regarding the nose jobs:

“Well, first of all, she broke the girl code. She didn’t have four nose jobs. Jacqueline broke the girl code. You’re not supposed to spill the beans on your girlfriend and it wasn’t four nose jobs.”
http://www.realitytea.com/2016/10/02/teresa-giudice-says-jacqueline-laurita-broke-girl-code-not-happy-kim-d/

My point is that Tre never denied that Melissa 'never' had a nose job.  Melissa has claimed for years that she 'never' had a nose job.

No, I get it, I understand.  Mine is that she didn't confirm it.   Breaking girl code/bean spilling isn't acknowledgement of any nose job(s), it's derision for telling your friend's business.   I don't know if Melissa had surgery or not, but either way I do know it's not Jac's news to tell.

[Sai]

1 hour ago, psychoticstate said:

If Jac's goal was to ruin Teresa's trip, she succeeded.  What in fresh hell was all that?  As I pointed out in a post last night, three or four minutes into the episode and Jac is already crying.  Please Baby Jesus, save us from this.  Or at least get this ho on something for hormones because she exhausts me through the t.v.  No wonder Chris can fall asleep fully clothed and wearing a mic.  

 

Jac is bat crap crazy and I was thinking that Chris was able to fall asleep so peacefully because he knew other people and cameras were around and for once he didn't have to sleep with one eye open.

[TattleTeeny]

What even was her goal for using nose jobs as leverage? It certainly cannot be mocking cosmetic surgery. And if it was just to out something Melissa told her in confidence, she's using it for no other reason but to hurt her. But, yes, OK--they don't deserve her friendship. Oy.

[ZaldamoWilder]

10 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

What even was her goal for using nose jobs as leverage? It certainly cannot be mocking cosmetic surgery. And if it was just to out something Melissa told her in confidence, she's using it for no other reason but to hurt her. But, yes, OK--they don't deserve her friendship. Oy.

[RHJunkie]

What world do we live in when Teresa is the one that is making sense and someone else can't understand the simple logic? Jac, you can't claim to be feel threatened by someone AFTER the fact. If that were an honest summary of your feelings in that moment, then your reaction wouldn't have been to yell, encourage the threatening words and then physically climb on someone's lap to give them your ass to rage on. You cannot later feel that the threat was real because of their supposed history with violence yet in the moment you chose to antagonize them knowing that they were in an angry state. Your words after the fact do not match your behaviour in the moment and for one of the rare times I have to say that Teresa was dead on. Jac was manipulating the situation to appear a certain way though her actions fly directly in the face of what she was claiming after the fact. What the hell do you mean you didn't judge Teresa when she did all of those things, Jac? You're the worst kind of girlfriend because the moment you're angry, you bring up an entire past of wrong doings or mistakes that a person makes because when you're angry, your only goal is to hurt with your words and making someone feel like they're two inches tall. Jac is just as nasty piece of work - all of that started because someone called out her own bad during the confrontation with Robyn. Instead of accepting it and saying 'yeah, I shouldn't have done that even though it still doesn't warrant what she was saying to me', she instead try to bring up the past - and what did it have to do with anything? She wanted to get Melissa, Teresa, Joe and Kim D to admit to things that served no purpose but to open old wounds. What a lunatic. Honest question - when Jac is not on good terms with one of the women, is she ever in a setting where she doesn't make that person the topic of conversation to discuss?? Melissa is right - I think Jac feels threatened by the other relationships Teresa has. She wants to feel like she's the one that knows about what's going on in Teresa's life, she wants to be the one Teresa turns to for support - it's one of the main reasons their relationship fell apart years ago, she was offended that Teresa wouldn't tell her about what was going on with her case and the possibility of going to jail, etc. 

The dinner with Joe and the kids was so adorable. Talking about who will help with what chores when dad's gone and being unable to picture him skinny, LOL.

[happykitteh]

8 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

 

I agree with this 100% - Jac is not jealous, she is like what am I seeing??  Why are you two faking nice?  Both of you HATE each other!

It's NONE of Jac's business if they want to be fake nice with each other. Zero. Nada. Tre and Mel are family and are stuck with each other for the rest of their lives. Even if their new relationship is fake I commend them for putting their other family members' feelings ahead of their dislike for one another. To me this shows maturity and emotional growth.  Many people have family members - esp in laws - that they don't like, who have done/said things about them in the past but they act like adult and grin and fake it for the sake of the rest of the family. Nothing unusual here. If Jealous Jac truly "loves" Tre and cares about Melissa and Joe (as she claims to) or has any warm feelings at all towards their kids she would be thrilled that Tre and Mel have reached an agreement that the past is the past and they will now move forward and at least act like they like one another, even if it is fake. I say kudos for them, whatever the reason for the peace.

[happykitteh]

21 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Apparently Jac was spot on about Mel's nose job(s).  When asked on WWHL, Tre's response was that Jac broke girl code.  Nuff said.  It's finally out.  It'll be an interesting question at the reunion.

 

Edited October 4, 2016 by happykitteh
someone already made the same point

[happykitteh]

11 hours ago, Juliegirlj said:

Did anyone else catch that comment by Jaq about her son being arrested?!?! He is like 13 years old, and seems quite the mild mannered Mama's boy- can't believe he was really arrested. 

Ohh, I hope this isn't true for CJ's sake! Even if it is why is Jac talking about it on tv? Wasn't Ashley also arrested and charged with assault for pulling Danielle's hair in an early season? I missed the first couple seasons but did see that part of that in a clip of that year's reunion. IIRC, Danielle dropped the charges? Guess Ashley learned that move from Jac pulling Ashley's hair as a from of punishment when she was a child.

[Rainny]

3 hours ago, ElDosEquis said:

I happened by the show and got sucked into the pre-dinner warmups.

I LOVED the shots in the restaurant with the server taking orders while the gloves were coming off and the people in the background - especially the people in the bar as Jac left.

I don't know WHAT IN THE world they were fighting about but I learned the quickest way to stop shit like that is NOT to try and one-up your opponent.

The best way is to smile and nod yes and watch them implode.

I wanted sushi after seeing them eat.

I will admit I laughed during the fight in the restaurant. It was like, "YOU STUPID PHONY BITCH, Uh waiter, I'll have a cola thank you, YOU'RE A PHONY BITCH". 

Then I think Dolores said to the waiter, yeah, we're Italian like it explains everything. 

Made me laugh

[Giselle]

59 minutes ago, happykitteh said:

Ohh, I hope this isn't true for CJ's sake! Even if it is why is Jac talking about it on tv? Wasn't Ashley also arrested and charged with assault for pulling Danielle's hair in an early season? I missed the first couple seasons but did see that part of that in a clip of that year's reunion. IIRC, Danielle dropped the charges? Guess Ashley learned that move from Jac pulling Ashley's hair as a from of punishment when she was a child.

Because Jaq will trash anyone including her children in front of the camera if it gets her camera time. Why do you think she exploits her autistic son with preposterous fake greeting ceremonies instead of letting things happen organically.

[racked]

It was funny seeing that brief flashback of Danielle Staub - Tre was losing her mind whole Danielle calmly walked away. They've switched placed a bit and Teresa is now the calm one who seems to enrage people by existing. 

Nothing Jaqueline said was really wrong or untrue but if that's how she feels she shouldn't be pretending to want to be Teresa's friend. I think she misses crazy table flipping Teresa, and being the calm one who has her life together in comparison. But she's also a little crazy. 

She definitely should not have talked about Melissa's plastic surgery but I think her point was Melissa is fake and pretends not to have had any. Melissa is fake, and her past relationship with Teresa was embarrassing, and she talked more shit than anyone but this show is basically Survivor! You can't be pissed when people find a better alliance. Jac seems to think she should be above all that. 

Edited October 4, 2016 by racked

[Keepitmoving]

You know what else was hilariious? Tre asking Siggy repeatedly "You think that's normal?"while pointing to Jacko, LOL.

 Last night was really entertaining, on a housewives scale anyway. 

[CrinkleCutCat]

With a friend like Jac, who needs enemies?!

[Giselle]

When Chris has far too many talking heads, and he does, to explain away his fucking wife  he knows the crazy bitch is getting worse. Does he really think we believe his shitty lies and delusional explanations.

Get off my screen!

[Castina]

Having watched a few episodes now I think, as is so often the case with these housewives shows, that the real issue lies behind the fourth wall. Similar to NYC where I think the real issues and lines were drawn over salaries between the housewives I think the real issue here has to do with Kathy and Rich, the big new house and her not getting a starring role.  I think they banked on it, literally, and as they are reduced to cameo's they don't have the salary coming in.

Little nuggets come out with each episode.  I don't think Jac is jealous at all of Tre and Melissa's friendship.  I think she is pissed off at Melissa because she expected her to back her, Kathy and Rich against Teresa the way they all backed Melissa against Teresa when they first came onto the show.  In the car leaving the restaurant Jac says to Chris "it's terrible what they did to Kathy and Rosie " and Chris says "I don't want to talk about Kathy and Richie".   In the bedroom Sigga says to Dolores "she is so upset about Kathy and Rosie".  They had to have come up in the argument/fight that wasn't shown and I can only guess it was to argue about why Robyn and her partner get to film with them this weekend and not the cousins.  To me these are odd statements to make considering what the editing wants us to think was the issue but it does speak to the real issue Jac has and her agenda (to get Kathy and Rosie on the show and I think she pulled Sigga into it which might help a little more explain hy she is an "emotional wreck").  You don't spit out those words when you really love someone as Chris wants us to believe, those words come out when you are angry and out of control and reflect what you really think.

[FamilyVan]

I agree there is some underlying turf fighting going on about who is in front of the cameras.  I think a lot of the tension at the book signing was about this.  It's all about who films with who.  This happened on RHONY where people where fighting to be in Bethenny's presence so they would be on camera.  When someone was dis-invited to one of Bethenny's events or urged to "give Bethenny some space" (John, Sonja), they got mad because that space is off-camera.

[nexxie]

44 minutes ago, FamilyVan said:

I agree there is some underlying turf fighting going on about who is in front of the cameras.  I think a lot of the tension at the book signing was about this.  It's all about who films with who.  This happened on RHONY where people where fighting to be in Bethenny's presence so they would be on camera.  When someone was dis-invited to one of Bethenny's events or urged to "give Bethenny some space" (John, Sonja), they got mad because that space is off-camera.

And it seems that with all of these shows there is one HW who considers herself to be the queen that everyone else must hover around - partly the fault of Bravo and partly due to the kind of women Bravo hires. On this show it looks like Tre has a very hard time sharing the spotlight - she hated for Melissa to get attention until she fell on her face and needed her brother (and his wife if necessary); but still wants those who feel like competition to be gone. 

(Nene even left the Atlanta show when things weren't just to her liking.)

Edited October 4, 2016 by nexxie

[Yours Truly]

39 minutes ago, nexxie said:

And it seems that with all of these shows there is one HW who considers herself to be the queen that everyone else must hover around - partly the fault of Bravo and partly due to the kind of women Bravo hires. On this show it looks like Tre has a very hard time sharing the spotlight - she hated for Melissa to get attention until she fell on her face and needed her brother (and his wife if necessary); but still wants those who feel like competition to be gone. 

And it's sooooooooo lame. I get that the women are concerned about camera time but does it really boil down to elbowing each other to be in Tre's presence? I mean it's a show about 5 women. Not 4 women who hang around one of them. If three of the 5 film in each others presence frequently which I think its pretty much a guarantee between Jaq, Siggy and Dolores along with filming with the 4th who they have no real beef with (Melissa), a 4th who will on occasion bring Tre with her considering THEIR filming twosome arrangement, then what the hell is all the concern about NEEDING to  film with Tre to get usable footage?  I would think they already have their bases covered. The main focus, no matter how you slice it, will be Tre in her home with her fam and their circumstances and the rest is filler but they can't really give us footage of JUST that for the whole season so any filming the rest do, as long as a lot of it is TOGETHER (3 or 4 or them on plenty of occasions and outings) then there's no way all of that will end up on the cutting room floor. Add the fact that Tre is obligated to join in on some group activities no matter what as well as her willingness to film with Melissa who should have no issues filming with the rest here and there and I'm not understanding all this "clawing" for camera time.

Edited October 4, 2016 by Yours Truly

[Juliegirlj]

The more I think about it the more I realize we, the audience, have been duped. That entire crapfest of a trip was all scripted. Producers gave each cast member an assignment. 

Jaq and Chris are desperate for a spot on the show to pay for their lifestyle. Jaq was the instigator in the drama, and Chris was along for backup. I understand their son's illness is costly, but no amount of money is worth giving up your integrity ( if they ever had any)

Melissa and Joe also have much to lose, and to their joy, the script Dujour had them defending Teresa. 

Similarly, Teresa was game to go along, because this time she and her brother and sister in law are on the same team. I don't doubt there are some real issues with Teresa and Jaq, and they are both more than happy to use them in the current narrative. 

Siggy was what gave it away. A self proclaimed "relationship expert " would not be so upset from people arguing, and she knew exactly what she signed up for when joining the cast.  She was upset, by having to put on an act that is not how she really feels. I can see Siggy doesn't do phony very well .

Dolores is used to these Jersey nutjob women, but the entire thing grew too nerve wracking for her, so she cried "Uncle" along with Siggy. 

The original premise of all the Real Housewives shows was to show a glimpse of how people from other walks of life live. To me, that was entertaining- I'm curious by nature, and liked seeing their daily routines, clothes, home decor, etc. If I wanted all this fake nonsense I would watch a scripted soap opera type show. I'm about a minute away from quitting Bravo " reality" shows. 

[Panda Bear]

When Jac said her son was arrested, I thought she was talking about Nicholas and meant that he was developmentally arrested. I wasn't listening very closely, though, so I could be wrong.

[Cream and Sugar]

I think she said when her son was regressing - not arrested.  She really is cray-cray.  I find it most disturbing that in her talking heads, which take place quite a bit of time after the actual events they are talking about, she still is defiant that her behavior was right and the others are in the wrong.  She's nuts!!

[neighsayer]

I thought Chris had the most insightful remark of the entire show during his TH, when he said (about Melissa and Teresa), "Neither one of them gives a $h*t about Jaclyn."

Exactly.   And Jaclyn knows it and it makes her crazy.   I wonder how she felt watching her husband say that.   

Edited October 4, 2016 by neighsayer
b/c *has* is bad grammar

[mwell345]

8 minutes ago, neighsayer said:

I thought Chris had the most insightful remark of the entire show during his TH, when he said (about Melissa and Teresa), "Neither one of them gives a $h*t about Jaclyn."

Exactly.   And Jaclyn knows it and it makes her crazy.   I wonder how she felt watching her husband say that.   

He should have added "and neither do most of the viewers."

[LilaFowler]

LOL.  Of course the show revolves around Teresa.  She's the only interesting one who has things going on.  If the other women want more screen time, or to not have to kiss Tre's ass, then perhaps they should not be dull as shit and talk only of Teresa when they get together with each other. 

[jaync]

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It was funny seeing that brief flashback of Danielle Staub - Tre was losing her mind whole Danielle calmly walked away.

The way Danielle could reduce Teresa to a methed out gorilla with just a word or look was a thing of beauty.

[jumper sage]

On 10/3/2016 at 2:56 PM, Kellyee said:

The family bonds are stronger because everyone in the family is kissing Teresa's ass. While Jacqueline is surely insane, her words weren't necessary untrue. And Melissa used to be standing right next to her. Their family gets along because Joe Gorga accepts his status as least favorite sibling to their parents, and because everyone plays the game of "Joe and Teresa were unfairly persecuted". Nothing has actually been resolved, and the minute Melissa says something honest or just says the wrong thing, its all going right back in the toilet.

Do you have siblings?  Sure doesn't seem like it.  Family sticks together.  It's best for all involved.  My sister and I have fought like dogs for years but we have each others backs in public.  Tre has no sisters and I think it took her years to "get" the sister thing.  

1 hour ago, stewedsquash said:

I think that Teresa and Melissa did what most people do when there is a catalyst moment in their life. They take stock, put the past in the past, and move forward in a new relationship. Shut the eff up Jac, Rosie and Kathy. 

Exactly.

I remember seasons ago when they all went to the Guidice summer home and rode the boat while Rosie babysat.  Richie remarked how he missed this kind of thing since they did it all the time in the past.  To me that meant that the Guidices hosted everyone often and when things went south everyone left.

Why do I watch this crap?????????????????

Jac is insane.

[Iguessnot]

4 hours ago, nexxie said:

And it seems that with all of these shows there is one HW who considers herself to be the queen that everyone else must hover around - partly the fault of Bravo and partly due to the kind of women Bravo hires. On this show it looks like Tre has a very hard time sharing the spotlight - she hated for Melissa to get attention until she fell on her face and needed her brother (and his wife if necessary); but still wants those who feel like competition to be gone. 

(Nene even left the Atlanta show when things weren't just to her liking.)

I have to disagree because when Nene chose to make herself scarce, the show was still engaging. There were plenty of storylines without that queen bee.

The Jersey crew isn't that interesting sans Teresa. Although I like that Tre and Mel are back together, the Gorgas on their own are just awful. Watching them interact with their kids is stilted, fake and painful to watch. As imperfect as Joe and Tre are, they have 4 engaging girls whose very different personalities shine through.

[ghoulina]

19 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

 

What even was her goal for using nose jobs as leverage? It certainly cannot be mocking cosmetic surgery. And if it was just to out something Melissa told her in confidence, she's using it for no other reason but to hurt her. But, yes, OK--they don't deserve her friendship. Oy.

 

I think maybe she was trying to use it to point out how "fake" Melissa is? Has Jaq been completely upfront about ALL of her surgeries, though? Somehow I doubt it. 

[TattleTeeny]

Oooh, I bet she's a "filer"--someone who stashes people's infractions right below the surface to have it at the ready!

[jinjer]

I think Vermont was a cage match between the HWs to move up from Friend Of to full fledged HW.  Teresa was probably the only one who started the season with a full contract and the rest of them battled for the Tomato or whatever the hell they hold in Jersey. I think Siggy, Jac and Dolores banded together and made a pact to oust the lesbian couple.