libgirl2 October 22, 2018 Share October 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, BitterApple said: I know Izzy meant well, but I was terrified he was going to accidentally poke Sam in the eye with that fork. Even the pieces of banana that Jill cut off were still too big for a one year-old. I don't blame Izzy either..... 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4773503
graefin October 22, 2018 Share October 22, 2018 58 minutes ago, WhineandCheez said: Izzy was saying, "HURRY" to Sammy when he was trying to feed him the piece that fell on the floor. I wonder if Jill taught him the "10 second rule!" More likely he's just accustomed to Jill's pressuring him to be quick to perform for the camera, and now he's doing it to Sam in turn. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4773575
BradandJanet October 22, 2018 Share October 22, 2018 32 minutes ago, BitterApple said: I know Izzy meant well, but I was terrified he was going to accidentally poke Sam in the eye with that fork. Even the pieces of banana that Jill cut off were still too big for a one year-old. Izzy was being encouraged by both parents so Jilly could film it. Would you want to hire a lawyer who thinks it's fine and dandy to sit there and let a young child wave a fork in a toddler's face while both kids are on their feet moving around? How much sense could this guy bring to the job? 16 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4773580
Westiepeach October 22, 2018 Share October 22, 2018 31 minutes ago, BradandJanet said: Izzy was being encouraged by both parents so Jilly could film it. Would you want to hire a lawyer who thinks it's fine and dandy to sit there and let a young child wave a fork in a toddler's face while both kids are on their feet moving around? How much sense could this guy bring to the job? I have no doubt that Jesus will lay it on his heart to call him to follow yet another path. Sooner rather than later. *eyeroll* 3 hours ago, ginger90 said: Video: So many things ran through my mind watching this. Video: So many things ran through my mind watching this. Jesus Christ. Those poor, poor boys. With parents like that, they have no chance. 16 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4773653
crazycatlady58 October 22, 2018 Share October 22, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, cdp73 said: Well, as the saying goes "God made dirt so dirt won't hurt." My grandmother always said everyone eats a peck of dirt in their life, and no she would not have approved of what is being described . Edited October 22, 2018 by crazycatlady58 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4773696
QuinnInND October 22, 2018 Share October 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, crazycatlady58 said: My grandmother always said everyone eats a pack of dirt in their life, and no she would not have approved of what is being described . My grandma said the same thing. You've got to eat a peck of dirt before you die. Her kitchen was immaculate, and you could have eaten off her floors. However, you wouldn't do that, because it's gross. After working for over a year to teach my twins to not eat stuff off the floor, I smh at Jilly being ok with it. My 8 year old son will sometimes do it if we're not watching. (Boys.. ?) When I fed my children bananas, we always had them bite pieces off themselves. What was with the fork? Stupidity. I was waiting for a horrible accident. Izzy and Sam are just adorable kids. It's a pity they'll never have a chance. 18 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4773729
Popular Post louannems October 22, 2018 Popular Post Share October 22, 2018 (edited) All the idioticness has been said so I'll just point out how non-daddy-like it was for Derick to shake hands with his own baby! Sam ran into Derick's arms, probably wanting to be picked up and cold dad sticks out his arm to shake hands! Also, Jill didn't even have a clue that Sam-Sam was done with the banana game. She kept taunting him when Sam was so done. Compared to plastic toddler forks, Izzy's proffering seemed almost as dangerous as a pitch fork. I was in disbelief that Jill was fine with eating food off the floor! Edited October 23, 2018 by louannems 25 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4773830
kalamac October 22, 2018 Share October 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, louannems said: All the idioticness has been said so I'll just point out how non-daddy-like it was for Derick to shake hands with his own baby! Sam ran into Derick's arms, probably wanting to be picked up and cold dad sticks out his arm to shake hands! Also, Jill didn't even have a clue that Sam-Sam was done with the banana game. She kept taunting him when Sam was so done. Compared to plastic toddler forks, Izzy's proffering seemed almost as dangerous as a pictch fork. I was in disbelief that Jill was fine with eating food off the floor! Bin seems fairly affectionate with his boys, but have we seen the other Duggar & Duggar adjacent males hug their young sons? Did the lost boys get hugged by JB when they were little that we know of? Because my asshole older brother isn't religious, but he is a raging homophobe, and from time his son was a toddler he'd be all 'boys don't hug boys' and he'd high five him instead. Maybe Derrick's trying to get Sam and Izzy into that mindset as early as possible. 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4773852
Popular Post cmr2014 October 23, 2018 Popular Post Share October 23, 2018 7 hours ago, Christina87 said: It's allllll people saying, "he's vacuuming FOR YOU?" And then 10,000 leghumpers angrily screaming, "No! Derick is the provider! Some of us like traditional gender roles! He's doing something nice! Quit being negative." I actually do like gender roles...buuuuut...Derick is not providing. HE needs to step up around the house while he's in school, and JILL needs to get a job! I couldn't agree more. I'm no big fan of traditional gender roles, and I don't choose to live that way, but people have a right to make their own choices. That being said, they both are failing spectacularly at their chosen roles: Jill is a terrible cook, housekeeper, and mother. Derick doesn't even make an effort to provide for his family. If there are no better role models for a Christian family, that's a pretty sad statement. 30 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4773964
Popular Post Totally October 23, 2018 Popular Post Share October 23, 2018 I want to see a video of Izzy getting some unconditional joyful love from a parent, my heart aches for Izzy ? 39 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4773992
ginger90 October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 I could have interpreted this incorrectly, but when Samuel had enough of the banana nonsense, Jill said he was teasing Israel. I guess all Derick heard was Jill use the word, teasing, and thought she meant Israel. Derick said something to Israel, and Jill jumped in and said she was referring to Samuel. It was as if she was defending Israel from the wrath of his father. Just me? 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4774090
Zahdii October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 I saw and cringed on the fork mess, but I also wondered if Jill is unconsiously training Izzy to take her role in the family. The small child who is put in charge of taking over daily care of the younger child. I know that they're both boys, but when I first saw the family, it was on a one shot show called "14 Kids and Pregnant Again". During that show, the boys are shown being buddies to their younger siblings. Sometime after that, by the time the Duggars got their own seasonal show, the boys had been released from child care duties and it was only the girls who had buddy teams. I wonder if Jill either knows or suspects that she won't have many (or any) more kids and has decided that the eldest child is ready to start training to be a buddy team leader. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4774155
bigskygirl October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 I was thinking why was there no child proof locks on the cabinets while watching the video. And yes, the pieces were too big for Sam. They look too big for me to be able to eat. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4774337
Sew Sumi October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, bigskygirl said: I was thinking why was there no child proof locks on the cabinets while watching the video. And yes, the pieces were too big for Sam. They look too big for me to be able to eat. Jill did childproof the cabinets. Yes, she documented it on Instagram or in a video when Sam started walking. I remember us commenting at the time that it was a year late, considering that Izzy had been living there as a mobile toddler for about a year before they took these measures. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4774386
Absolom October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 Eating bananas with a fork and shaking hands with one's kids is behavior known to the Queen of England. That produced the current Prince of Wales so I'm not sure that's an unqualified success story. I wonder if the Dillards know that or it would surprise them. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4774424
Bayarea4 October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 While watching the video, I noticed that Izzy appears to be left-handed. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm a lefty, too. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4774596
bigskygirl October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said: Jill did childproof the cabinets. Yes, she documented it on Instagram or in a video when Sam started walking. I remember us commenting at the time that it was a year late, considering that Izzy had been living there as a mobile toddler for about a year before they took these measures. Thanks for the correction. And yes, I am a lefty also. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4774775
lookeyloo October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Absolom said: Eating bananas with a fork and shaking hands with one's kids is behavior known to the Queen of England. That produced the current Prince of Wales so I'm not sure that's an unqualified success story. I wonder if the Dillards know that or it would surprise them. Oh gosh my oldest son -the one who is 50 - would only eat bananas cut into circles and with a fork. He sat in his high chair with a bib. Back in the way back days the sippy cups left a lot to be desired. We are as far from royal as can be! And now he doesn’t eat bananas at all even when I offer to cut them into circles! 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4774848
Misslindsey October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 Uh.....small voice.....I may have picked up a cookie off the floor and ate it. Only my floor though, because I know how clean it is. I definitely would not it a cut up banana off the floor, because it seems like a type of food that can collect a lot of debris. Then again, I am one of the few people who do not like bananas so I really would not eat it on or off the floor. 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4774878
lianau October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 Whenever food fell on the ground my grandmother would say "Dreck reinigt den Magen " (Dirt cleans the stomach ) . But she spend her teen years during World War II so that's probably a reason for some of her strange food behaviours (the other ones I remember were a centimeter of butter on every slice of bread she ate and pouring water or milk into empty jars , shake it and drink every last bit of whatever was in the jar , oh and using and reusing the same fat in pans ) 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4774995
MsJamieDornan October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 15 hours ago, Christina87 said: And then 10,000 leghumpers angrily screaming, "No! Derick is the provider! Provider of what ? 21 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4775123
Popular Post BradandJanet October 23, 2018 Popular Post Share October 23, 2018 Sperm? 31 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4775359
ozziemom October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 8 hours ago, lianau said: Whenever food fell on the ground my grandmother would say "Dreck reinigt den Magen " (Dirt cleans the stomach ) . But she spend her teen years during World War II so that's probably a reason for some of her strange food behaviours (the other ones I remember were a centimeter of butter on every slice of bread she ate and pouring water or milk into empty jars , shake it and drink every last bit of whatever was in the jar , oh and using and reusing the same fat in pans ) Dreck=dirt, how ironic 16 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4775445
EVS October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 5 hours ago, MsJamieDornan said: Provider of what ? Ignorance and bigotry 22 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4775509
winsomeone October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 Is Sam biracial? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4775531
ginger90 October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 O M G I’m admittedly not in a very good mood at the moment, but really? 2 pictures: 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4775714
bigskygirl October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 Why do they act like they are the first woman in history to have to do this. Seriously... Get a life...Get a grip...Get a job... Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4775723
ginger90 October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 My money is on Jill not taking this as an opportunity to teach while out and about. Prices for numbers, colors, identifying products, making up a story. My daughters used to love the making up of stories while shopping. “I see a ______ , we could use that for ______...........”. And on and on ?. I picture both of them in that cart the whole time. At least let one walk some of the time, and switch off, if she can’t handle both being mobile at the same time. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4775803
Scarlett45 October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 15 hours ago, Zahdii said: I saw and cringed on the fork mess, but I also wondered if Jill is unconsiously training Izzy to take her role in the family. The small child who is put in charge of taking over daily care of the younger child. I know that they're both boys, but when I first saw the family, it was on a one shot show called "14 Kids and Pregnant Again". During that show, the boys are shown being buddies to their younger siblings. Sometime after that, by the time the Duggars got their own seasonal show, the boys had been released from child care duties and it was only the girls who had buddy teams. I wonder if Jill either knows or suspects that she won't have many (or any) more kids and has decided that the eldest child is ready to start training to be a buddy team leader. Yeah- Josh & JD had Josiah and Joe as buddies in the early days, but after Josh molested his sisters, JB & Michelle decided not to give Joe/Josiah buddies, and thus only the 4 older girls had buddies once Joe/Josiah were up some size. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4775847
kokapetl October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 2 hours ago, winsomeone said: Is Sam biracial? The blue eyed blond baby? 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4775926
QuinnInND October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 Ugh. Jilly would never make it as a military wife. Smh. 15 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4775991
bigskygirl October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, QuinnInND said: Ugh. Jilly would never make it as a military wife. Smh. Hmmm... I would love to see Deredick in the military especially if he had to deal with female drill sergeants or female officers. He would not be able to take Jill Cling Along to basic training with him. Edited October 23, 2018 by bigskygirl Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776014
dariafan October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 20 hours ago, MamaMax said: I try not to be a total jerk, but a baby Sam's age shouldn't be walking around eating. He could choke. I’m 40+ and it’s dangerous for me ! 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776016
Popular Post Sew Sumi October 23, 2018 Popular Post Share October 23, 2018 Just for to you, Jilly Muffin. 25 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776032
Absolom October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 Two hours for an oil change? I wait 20 to 30 minutes. I barely finish a cup of tea. Find a place near a park or something Jill. Pack snacks and drinks and let the kids run and enjoy themselves for a change. Take a few books and a blanket for a rest break for them. 18 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776033
bigskygirl October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Absolom said: Two hours for an oil change? I wait 20 to 30 minutes. I barely finish a cup of tea. Find a place near a park or something Jill. Pack snacks and drinks and let the kids run and enjoy themselves for a change. Take a few books and a blanket for a rest break for them. Not defending her, but she is at Wal Mart, so it could take awhile especially if there are people ahead of her getting an oil change. I know we had to wait more than 30 minutes for an oil change, new tires to be put on, or a new battery to be put in. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776054
Sew Sumi October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 Including driving time (about 15 min each way), hubby was gone an hour-ish when he got his oil changed last week. No Jiffy Lubes in NWA? 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776063
JoanArc October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said: Including driving time (about 15 min each way), hubby was gone an hour-ish when he got his oil changed last week. No Jiffy Lubes in NWA? You KNOW she used a gift card, which I'm sure was gifted to them, somehow. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776102
Popular Post riverblue22 October 23, 2018 Popular Post Share October 23, 2018 I'm surprised she does drive on over to the old homestead and have one of those couch sitting young men change her oil for her. Maybe Boob charges too much? 36 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776223
toodles October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Absolom said: Two hours for an oil change? I wait 20 to 30 minutes. I barely finish a cup of tea. Find a place near a park or something Jill. Pack snacks and drinks and let the kids run and enjoy themselves for a change. Take a few books and a blanket for a rest break for them. Find an oil change place near a McDonald's with a play area. Have a cone or something off the value menu and you're good to go. Or is McDonald's not godly enough? 13 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776290
bigskygirl October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, riverblue22 said: I'm surprised she does drive on over to the old homestead and have one of those couch sitting young men change her oil for her. Maybe Boob charges too much? And dump the kids on someone else to watch. Maybe Deredick does not want her visiting the family much unless it is to his benefit. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776312
farmgal4 October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 3:13 PM, ginger90 said: 3 pictures. I’m pretty sure I posted this previously. It doesn’t look the same to me. Here it is: Easy Slow-Cooker Lime and Cilantro Beans Mar 29, 2017 | Recipes | 4 Ingredients: 3 cups dry beans (rinsed; I normally use black beans, but others work fine too) 6 cups water 1 bunch fresh cilantro (finely chopped) 3-4 limes (squeezed) salt Directions: Rinse the beans (don’t forget to check for rocks!) and put in slow-cooker with water. Cook on low for 6-8 hours or on high for 4-5 hours. (Cook time may vary for other types of beans.) After beans are cooked, add cilantro, lime juice and salt to taste. Serve with avocado, sour cream, tortilla chips and shredded cheddar cheese, or enjoy solo! Family Note: Israel LOVES these beans! He helps me wash and sort through them, then after they’re done he wants them for every meal till the leftovers run out, breakfast included! lol What’s going on with Israel’s left eye? I’ve noticed it in several pictures lately. 1 hour ago, bigskygirl said: Not defending her, but she is at Wal Mart, so it could take awhile especially if there are people ahead of her getting an oil change. I know we had to wait more than 30 minutes for an oil change, new tires to be put on, or a new battery to be put in. I went to Walmart ONCE to get my car serviced, and never again. It took forever. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776327
kokapetl October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 (edited) On 22/10/2018 at 4:13 AM, ginger90 said: 3 pictures. Sammy is eating black and white food! Izzy wearing his bib is not cute. Edited October 23, 2018 by kokapetl 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776350
farmgal4 October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 3 hours ago, bigskygirl said: Why do they act like they are the first woman in history to have to do this. Seriously... Get a life...Get a grip...Get a job... No shit! This woman, she always manages to leave me speechless.? 13 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776351
libgirl2 October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, farmgal4 said: What’s going on with Israel’s left eye? I’ve noticed it in several pictures lately. I have too. It looks swollen. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776353
farmgal4 October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 4 hours ago, winsomeone said: Is Sam biracial? Okay, I’ll bite and ask what everyone else is wondering: What would make you think that? 14 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776357
Sew Sumi October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 A "recipe" for sweet potato fries, Jill? Who can't chop, dump, add olive oil, season, and bake? I will not be clicking the link in your bio. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776427
GeeGolly October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 (edited) Jill had so many options other than stuff two active toddlers into a shopping cart for two hours. She could have had someone pick them up. She could have waited until either her or Derick could have stayed home with the kids. She could have asked her brothers or Kendra's dad to do it. Or as others have mentioned, went for a walk, had a picnic or went to a restaurant. Jill gives the impression that she doesn't know what to do with her own kids or doesn't want to be home alone with them as the only responsible adult parent. Edited October 23, 2018 by GeeGolly 22 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776434
ginger90 October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 A visual refresher on the sweet potato fries: (this recipe is from March) 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776529
Natalie68 October 23, 2018 Share October 23, 2018 On 10/19/2018 at 5:55 PM, jennblevins said: I’m sure this makes me a terrible person, but my first thought after reading this was: ”Well, regardless of how he looks, Kenny Loggins wrote ‘The House at Pooh Corner,’ which automatically makes him a better parent* than Derek.” * I have no idea if Kenny Loggins even has kids or how his potential parenting skills are regarded. Kenny does have kids and one of them graduated a couple of years ago from the HS my niece attends. I think he has 2 sets of kids (one set with different wives). I have lived here since 1986 and have never seen him which is weird since he seems to be all over the place. Messina lives here also and I have known 2 people that dated him. I imagine he would be a lot kinder and gentler than Dickweed. A statement that I have no info to back up! 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4651-jill-derick-the-kids-moving-on/page/821/#findComment-4776542
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