Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[marypat57]

I remember when my part of Long Island had a Krispy Kreme location.  You could actually watch the donuts being made, and you could get a free one just for the asking.  I bought 4 dozen one time to take to a family vacation.  I put the donuts in the trunk because I feared that I woild eat many of them on the way to NC.  

There is a Chik Fil A nearby in Hicksville. I wonder if they participated in the promotion.

[BetyBee]

I just finished watching season 1 of Counting On on Hulu, and it got me thinking about 3 years of our discussions here.  That season seemed equally divided between Jill and Jessa.  Derrick was a very willing participant in Counting On, despite his current tweeted claims.  I remember discussions about Derrick being so happy in Danger America and how kindly we spoke of "Miss Cathy" back then.  Now they both seem like judgmental jerks.  I guess the world has changed more in that direction - certainly the Dillards have!  Jill actually seemed excited about their adventure and confident in her midwifery "skills".  The focus was on Josh's misdeeds and how they affected the family, Jill & Derrick's travels to DA and Spurgeon's birth.  I was amazed at how many correct perceptions I've heard here.  I never watched a whole season before.  Smart bunch of posters here!

[3 is enough]

Krispy Kreme seems to do this to themselves.  Here in Las Vegas they ran a promotion that if the Golden Knights got a shutout at home and you brought in your ticket stub the next day you got a dozen free doughnuts.  Given that no one expected an expansion team to have such an amazing season  I guess it seemed like a pretty safe bet at the time.  But they had 6 shutouts at home (4 in the regular season and 2 in the playoffs).  T-Mobile holds close to 18,000 people and the vast majority of games were sold out.  

Of course not every person at the games claimed their free doughnuts, but if they had they would have been on the hook for 108,000 dozen .  As it was my son in law went a couple of times to get his free dozen and he said it was a madhouse.  The employees were definitely not happy about it.

Of course the Duggars got as many doughnuts as they could.  They do it every year.  Hardly a surprise.

[queenanne]

22 hours ago, marypat57 said:

I remember when my part of Long Island had a Krispy Kreme location.  You could actually watch the donuts being made, and you could get a free one just for the asking.  I bought 4 dozen one time to take to a family vacation.  I put the donuts in the trunk because I feared that I woild eat many of them on the way to NC.  

There is a Chik Fil A nearby in Hicksville. I wonder if they participated in the promotion.

Aside:  There is a Yelp review out for one of Manhattan's branches of the Doughnut Plant (Japanese franchise export I believe), with one person claiming they flew with a sack/box of them cross country in their suitcase so that their friends and family could enjoy them, so you are not alone!

[Caracoa1]

I have to wonder if deep down Jill is very disappointed in how her life has turned out.....in her mind she was the perfect Fundie daughter and followed all the rules...she was expecting to be the next big family breeder. I say if she isn't pregnant by next summer then it can be assumed she did have an emergency hysterectomy after Sammy's birth last July.

[GeeGolly]

3 minutes ago, Caracoa1 said:

I have to wonder if deep down Jill is very disappointed in how her life has turned out.....in her mind she was the perfect Fundie daughter and followed all the rules...she was expecting to be the next big family breeder. I say if she isn't pregnant by next summer then it can be assumed she did have an emergency hysterectomy after Sammy's birth last July.

I do think that Izzy's birth was the first time Jill experienced a huge disappointment. I wonder how she processed it. Did question the strength of her faith? Because until Izzy's birth, like you said she was the perfect Fundy daughter and followed all the rules.

[Caracoa1]

Maybe Izzy and Sammy's birth was God knocking her down a few pegs..she does have an incredible ego...mya e he wants her to be thankful for what has given her and not an ingrate about what  she wants.

[Minivanessa]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I do think that Izzy's birth was the first time Jill experienced a huge disappointment. I wonder how she processed it. Did question the strength of her faith? Because until Izzy's birth, like you said she was the perfect Fundy daughter and followed all the rules.

 

21 minutes ago, Caracoa1 said:

Maybe Izzy and Sammy's birth was God knocking her down a few pegs..she does have an incredible ego...mya e he wants her to be thankful for what has given her and not an ingrate about what  she wants.

I think she probably bounced back pretty well from Izzy's birth because although she didn't have her perfect home birth (and a VSE of the show to showcase it to the world), she and Izzy came through okay. I doubt she even admitted to herself how close to tragedy she came because of her own ego and stupidity; close only matters in horseshoes as they say.

I think she was in denial about how close to tragedy she'd come with Izzy, because after the ordeal of Izzy's birth? She was determined to have a home birth with her next pregnancy. Before Derick quickly scrubbed his Twitter feed, we learned that with Sam she had a long long labor at home followed by an "emergency" C-section at the hospital. Which was Immediately followed by an un-Duggarlike media blackout - while Jill and Sam remained hospitalized and then the baby came home along with some medical support equipment. 

I wonder if that's when the Dullards (or Derick, at least) got crosswise with TLC. Obviously TLC's been around to film (when possible) and publicize the hell out of Duggar births. Am I correct in remembering that Sam's was different? Did TLC give it the same bandwidth devoted to most other Duggar births? If not, I wonder if there was some difference of opinion between the TLC powers that be and the Dillards/Duggars? I can't fault the Dillards if they don't want to publicize all the intimate details of Jill's reproductive health, but what if she does have something going on (and it doesn't have to have been a hysterectomy) that precludes her from being the great breeder for Jesus that she intended? How could that be handled on the show? All we know is, Sam got off to a bit of a tough start but seems okay now, it was Jill's second emergency C-section following a long labor, and the Dillards are off the show. 

I hope Jill is able to have more babies because that's been such a big part of her identity. It's scary to think of how bad for her the alternative would be, especially with her breeding-obsessed narcissist parents and her nutjob husband as primary parts of her "support" [sic] system. 

[DangerousMinds]

I hope she isn’t able to have more, because they can’t afford to.

[sigmaforce86]

Sort of funny / ironic / hypocritical that the Duggars would vow up down and sideways that dressing up for Halloween is evil and if you don costume and trick or treat that night to get free candy you're actually involved in devil worship and likely going straight to hell...............BUT - dress like a pirate to scam approximately 168 donuts from a store (which by my count of the family and marrieds at the time comes out to about 6 donuts per person, estimated of course b/c I'm not sure of total family members when that photo was taken) or do a half-assed job of dressing like a cow to get free fast food?  Well that's just perfectly fine.  They'll take all the free stuff they can get as long as they can be holier than thou about it while at the same time never donating it or doing anything except hoarding it all for themselves.  

[Madtown]

20 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

I hope she isn’t able to have more, because they can’t afford to.

Sadly, I expect an announcement soon. The second they posted about their night away for their Anniversary, I figured she got knocked up that night..

[riverblue22]

13 hours ago, queenanne said:

Aside:  There is a Yelp review out for one of Manhattan's branches of the Doughnut Plant (Japanese franchise export I believe), with one person claiming they flew with a sack/box of them cross country in their suitcase so that their friends and family could enjoy them, so you are not alone!

I fly in and out of Portland, Oregon frequently and it is common to have folks with boxes of Voodoo Donuts on the flights headed out of Portland.  Makes me hungry!

[3 is enough]

2 minutes ago, riverblue22 said:

I fly in and out of Portland, Oregon frequently and it is common to have folks with boxes of Voodoo Donuts on the flights headed out of Portland.  Makes me hungry!

Yes, my daughter brought a box home after an interview there and multiple people on the plane offered to buy the box from her.

[bigskygirl]

I do not think Jill should have more babies because it is her only identity. The way she and Deredick are raising Izzy and Sammy is darn right scary. Obviously God and Mother Nature are sending the both of them a message about having more children, but they are too dumb or absolutely do not care to listen.

[Fostersmom]

I shudder to think of the things they will take out on those boys. Poor Izzy is strong willed, with his manipulations of love and all, and and Sammy's birth was a difficult birth that might have resulted in her not having more babies. Sure, they have dumbasses for parents but it's sure to be seen as the fault of the boys, not poor choices on the dumbasses parts. 

[Minivanessa]

19 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

I do not think Jill should have more babies because it is her only identity. The way she and Deredick are raising Izzy and Sammy is darn right scary. Obviously God and Mother Nature are sending the both of them a message about having more children, but they are too dumb or absolutely do not care to listen.

Good points. I said I hoped she could have more babies because I was thinking of the potentially awful impact on her mental/emotional health if she can't. And that she's surrounded by people who will be absolutely useless, if not harmful, to her if she does have an emotional meltdown.

But I agree about the Dillards' parenting. I'm not a fan of how Jill and her nutjob husband are parenting the two kids they have.

And I think they are like much of the human race; they are going to believe that God wants for them, exactly what they want for themselves, and messages to the contrary will be disputed, ignored, or not even heard. We all know how Jill was raised. Her parents happily parroted that they wanted "As many babies as God provides," while moving heaven and earth to keep Michelle impregnated as soon and as often as possible well into her 40's. And for all her chirping about "seasons of life," we know darn well that MEchelle didn't go gracefully into the season known as the post-child-bearing years. With those parents, I don't think I'd want a glimpse of what goes on inside Jill's head. 

[Nysha]

1 hour ago, DangerousMinds said:

I hope she isn’t able to have more, because they can’t afford to.

I hope she isn't able to have more because I think they're horrible parents.

[BetyBee]

13 minutes ago, Fostersmom said:

I shudder to think of the things they will take out on those boys. Poor Izzy is strong willed, with his manipulations of love and all, and and Sammy's birth was a difficult birth that might have resulted in her not having more babies. Sure, they have dumbasses for parents but it's sure to be seen as the fault of the boys, not poor choices on the dumbasses parts. 

Poor choices, indeed.  That was another thing that struck me when the Dullards were planning their trip to DA.  They were of the opinion that despite what others may think, it was not a poor decision to leave for DA with an infant.  But in truth, it was.  Just as a poorly assisted home birth following her previous emergency c-section (and resulting in another), was a poor choice.  I worry for the boys as their parents seem incapable of learning from their mistakes.  

[Ohiopirate02]

Sadly, I think that the doctors told Jill she shouldn't have any more kids not that she cannot.  I can see her getting pregnant again and having some major complications.  Jill would be the one who is so pro-life that she would rather die in childbirth than use birth control. I hope for Izzy and Sam that this never happens.

[doodlebug]

Considering the split with TLC happened right around the time Sammy was born, I wouldn't be surprised if the original plan wasn't to film the proceedings and Derick didn't insist on editorial control, especially when things went off the rails.  I could see him refusing to allow them to film the actual events as they transpired if he felt it didn't portray him and Jill in the appropriate light or, if after the fact, he didn't refuse to do talking heads explaining what went wrong and what the consequences really were and TLC told them it was all or nothing.

[bigskygirl]

14 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Sadly, I think that the doctors told Jill she shouldn't have any more kids not that she cannot.  I can see her getting pregnant again and having some major complications.  Jill would be the one who is so pro-life that she would rather die in childbirth than use birth control. I hope for Izzy and Sam that this never happens.

I can see Jilly Girl and Deredick going to pro-life events with a child who has serious developmental or physical problems in order to promote their pro-life agenda to the heathen masses. Just like the Duggars using Josie to promote their pro-life agenda. Who cares what the poor baby and/or child goes through because of the stupidity of the parents as long as they can bring attention to what they believe in.

[doodlebug]

17 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Sadly, I think that the doctors told Jill she shouldn't have any more kids not that she cannot.  I can see her getting pregnant again and having some major complications.  Jill would be the one who is so pro-life that she would rather die in childbirth than use birth control. I hope for Izzy and Sam that this never happens.

There is, unfortunately, a certain mindset out there that does indulge in some sort of 'romantic' fantasy that it is noble and pure to take huge and unnecessary risks in childbirth.  It's not just fundies, but they are certainly one group that seems convinced of the virtue in cheating death to have babies. On at least a couple occasions, I have actually had patients tell me this, 'if it comes to my life or the baby's, save the baby'.  Oh, BULLSHIT!  It's a package deal and, generally. there isn't a choice to be made, saving one over the other isn't even on the table.

[doodlebug]

7 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

I can see Jilly Girl and Deredick going to pro-life events with a child who has serious developmental or physical problems in order to promote their pro-life agenda to the heathen masses. Just like the Duggars using Josie to promote their pro-life agenda. Who cares what the poor baby and/or child goes through because of the stupidity of the parents as long as they can bring attention to what they believe in.

Yes, because having a do-it-yourself home birth where your child is deprived of oxygen for a prolonged period and ends up permanently disabled due to your negligence is definitely God's will.  It's a wonder these people put their kids in car seats or slap bike helmets on their heads since they could potentially achieve the same result if they didn't.

[Triple P]

53 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

Considering the split with TLC happened right around the time Sammy was born, I wouldn't be surprised if the original plan wasn't to film the proceedings and Derick didn't insist on editorial control, especially when things went off the rails.  I could see him refusing to allow them to film the actual events as they transpired if he felt it didn't portray him and Jill in the appropriate light or, if after the fact, he didn't refuse to do talking heads explaining what went wrong and what the consequences really were and TLC told them it was all or nothing.

I think you are right about Derick insisting on editorial control or other demands. Maybe monetary compensation since he is angry that TLC didn't cover medical bills associated with Izzy's birth.

Derick claims they parted ways with TLC on May 31, 2017, about a month before Sam was born. I think TLC declined to meet any of his demands and the Dillards left the show (they quit), or TLC made filming the birth a condition of continuing to have the Dillards on the show (they were "fired"). 

Edited July 15, 2018 by Triple P

[tabloidlover]

Anyone remember when the Cross Church "job/program" ends?   I know it's July, but can't remember which date.   Thanks in advance!

[doodlebug]

36 minutes ago, Triple P said:

I think you are right about Derick insisting on editorial control or other demands. Maybe monetary compensation since he is angry that TLC didn't cover medical bills associated with Izzy's birth.

Derick claims they parted ways with TLC on May 31, 2017, about a month before Sam was born. I think TLC declined to meet any of his demands and the Dillards left the show (they quit), or TLC made filming the birth a condition of continuing to have the Dillards on the show (they were "fired"). 

I could see the legal minds at TLC balking at Jill's lack of prenatal care in view of her prior OB history and wanting Jill to at least have a consult with a high risk specialist, maybe even filming it and Jill and Derick flatly refused. Or, TLC's legal people consulted a high risk specialist on their own who told them that he/she would never recommend a home birth for a woman with a previous cesarean and TLC told them she had to go to the hospital and they refused.

The American College of OB/GYN (they are the ones who board certify OB/GYN's) have issued a statement that homebirth can be safe in low risk women with uncomplicated labors being cared for by competent licensed practitioners (MD or CNM, NOT CPM).  However, they explicitly state that women undergoing a trial of labor after a prior cesarean are NOT low risk and homebirth is not an appropriate option for them.

[Mollie]

6 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

The American College of OB/GYN (they are the ones who board certify OB/GYN's) have issued a statement that homebirth can be safe in low risk women with uncomplicated labors being cared for by competent licensed practitioners (MD or CNM, NOT CPM).  However, they explicitly state that women undergoing a trial of labor after a prior cesarean are NOT low risk and homebirth is not an appropriate option for them.

In Arkansas, it is illegal for any kind of a midwife to attend a homebirth for a woman who has previously had a C-section. Jilly knew what a great risk she was taking and put her ego above the life of her unborn child.

[doodlebug]

Just now, Mollie said:

In Arkansas, it is illegal for any kind of a midwife to attend a homebirth for a woman who has previously had a C-section. Jilly knew what a great risk she was taking and put her ego above the life of her unborn child.

And that could have given TLC a reason to insist she deliver in a hospital, leading Derick to complain that he wanted repaid for Izzy's hospital bills and who knows what else.  As we know, Derick seems to feel it is very unfair that he and Jill were saddled with the bills from Israel's birth.  Apparently, he doesn't feel he should be financially responsible for his family.  Or, if TLC hadn't been filming; Jill would've stayed at home until she died or delivered and he wouldn't have had a hospital charge.

[Mollie]

4 hours ago, tabloidlover said:

Anyone remember when the Cross Church "job/program" ends?   I know it's July, but can't remember which date.   Thanks in advance!

Derick's school at Cross Church ends in two weeks.  Expect some announcement from the Dillards about the next new direction they are taking and how many donations they need to collect. 

Of course, they will claim that 'God is leading them' in some new direction.  In reality, they decide what they want to do and then drag God into their decision.  Expect them to find another place to goof off for a year or two.

Edited July 15, 2018 by Mollie

[Celia Rubenstein]

46 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

I could see the legal minds at TLC balking at Jill's lack of prenatal care in view of her prior OB history and wanting Jill to at least have a consult with a high risk specialist, maybe even filming it and Jill and Derick flatly refused. Or, TLC's legal people consulted a high risk specialist on their own who told them that he/she would never recommend a home birth for a woman with a previous cesarean and TLC told them they had to go to the hospital and they refused

 

35 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

And that could have given TLC a reason to insist she deliver in a hospital, leading Derick to complain that he wanted repaid for Izzy's hospital bills and who knows what else.  As we know, Derick seems to feel it is very unfair that he and Jill were saddled with the bills from Israel's birth.  Apparently, he doesn't feel he should be financially responsible for his family.  Or, if TLC hadn't been filming; Jill would've stayed at home until she died or delivered and he wouldn't have had a hospital charge.

Well ding ding ding I think we have a winner ... everyone has wondered what went down between Drek and TLC and this theory checks off all the boxes as far as I am concerned.  

I can see TLC being concerned about what might happen during a home birth and wanting no part in it. If it went off the rails, people would blame them for encouraging something so foolish and dangerous.  I can totally see Derrick demanding the network to pick up the hospital bill if they were going to film, I can see him refusing to allow taping/airing footage when they didn't agree, and I can see TLC saying "enough of you two wankers," and the Dullards got their walking papers. 

I had never put any of this together before, but it all makes perfect sense. Excellent theorizing, doodlebug!

 

Edited to add: that's a good point about how Jill or Sam might have freakin' died if TLC had not (probably) insisted on a hospital birth ... then Derrick turns around and shits all over them. He should be thanking them ...

Edited July 15, 2018 by Celia Rubenstein

[tabloidlover]

50 minutes ago, Mollie said:

Derick's school at Cross Church ends in two weeks.  Expect some announcement from the Dillards about the next new direction they are taking and how many donations they need to collect. 

Of course, they will claim that 'God is leading them' in some new direction.  In reality, they decide what they want to do and then drag God into their decision.  Expect them to find another place to goof off for a year.

Thank you!   That’s where my head was going lol.  Trying to figure out if he has a plan yet or if he’s gonna have a meltdown on social media.

[Temperance]

2 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Sadly, I think that the doctors told Jill she shouldn't have any more kids not that she cannot.  I can see her getting pregnant again and having some major complications.  Jill would be the one who is so pro-life that she would rather die in childbirth than use birth control. I hope for Izzy and Sam that this never happens.

It is a matter of personal opinion where birth control is pro-life or not. I consider birth control to be extremely pro-life, under all circumstances.  And it shouldn't be an issue where having another baby could kill the woman.  I could see Jill clinging to her beliefs that she needs to keep reproducing to be Godly, but that doesn't mean she's pro-life.  This is one of my biggest problems with the Duggars, the fundie-lifestyle, etc. 

[Sew Sumi]

36 minutes ago, tabloidlover said:

Thank you!   That’s where my head was going lol.  Trying to figure out if he has a plan yet or if he’s gonna have a meltdown on social media.

Someone who knows Derelict tweeted his congratulations on whatever it is that Derelict is up to this fall. The poster didn't elaborate. The rumor is (try not to laugh) law school.

Edited July 15, 2018 by Sew Sumi

[tabloidlover]

Hahahahahahahaha.....    

[Minivanessa]

50 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

I could see the legal minds at TLC balking at Jill's lack of prenatal care in view of her prior OB history and wanting Jill to at least have a consult with a high risk specialist, maybe even filming it and Jill and Derick flatly refused. Or, TLC's legal people consulted a high risk specialist on their own who told them that he/she would never recommend a home birth for a woman with a previous cesarean and TLC told them she had to go to the hospital and they refused.

 

44 minutes ago, Mollie said:

In Arkansas, it is illegal for any kind of a midwife to attend a homebirth for a woman who has previously had a C-section. Jilly knew what a great risk she was taking and put her ego above the life of her unborn child.

 

39 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

And that could have given TLC a reason to insist she deliver in a hospital, leading Derick to complain that he wanted repaid for Izzy's hospital bills and who knows what else.  As we know, Derick seems to feel it is very unfair that he and Jill were saddled with the bills from Israel's birth.  Apparently, he doesn't feel he should be financially responsible for his family.  Or, if TLC hadn't been filming; Jill would've stayed at home until she died or delivered and he wouldn't have had a hospital charge.

 

9 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Well ding ding ding I think we have a winner ... everyone has wondered what went down between Drek and TLC and this theory checks off all the boxes as far as I am concerned.  

I can see TLC being concerned about what might happen during a home birth and wanting no part in it. If it went off the rails, people would blame them for encouraging something so foolish and dangerous.  I can totally see Derrick demanding the network to pick up the hospital bill if they were going to film, I can see him refusing to allow taping when they didn't agree, and I can see TLC saying "enough of you two wankers," and the Dullards got their walking papers. 

You guys are great! I almost didn't post my questions above, about the timing of the Dillards' departure from the show as related to Sammy's birth. I'm glad I did. I agree with @Celia Rubenstein - this all makes sense.

I wonder how Jessa's home births fit into this. A few months after Jill's emergency C-section with Izzy, Jessa gave birth to Spurgeon at home - and she then had to be rushed to the hospital with uncontrolled bleeding. I wonder if the powers that be at TLC had heartburn at the prospect of Jessa's next home birth (Henry) which apparently went OK. I also wonder what kind of discussions TLC had with the Seewalds prior to Henry's delivery; whatever they were, Jessa and Bin handled it better than the Dullards and are still getting those TLC paychecks. Did TLC have a crew on hand for Spurgeon's birth?  I don't think they did for Henry's; there's home video footage of it, not TLC footage.

[doodlebug]

al

16 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

You guys are great! I almost didn't post my questions above, about the timing of the Dillards' departure from the show as related to Sammy's birth. I'm glad I did. I agree with @Celia Rubenstein - this all makes sense.

I wonder how Jessa's home births fit into this. A few months after Jill's emergency C-section with Izzy, Jessa gave birth to Spurgeon at home - and she then had to be rushed to the hospital with uncontrolled bleeding. I wonder if the powers that be at TLC had heartburn at the prospect of Jessa's next home birth (Henry) which apparently went OK. I also wonder what kind of discussions TLC had with the Seewalds prior to Henry's delivery; whatever they were, Jessa and Bin handled it better than the Dullards and are still getting those TLC paychecks. Did TLC have a crew on hand for Spurgeon's birth?  I don't think they did for Henry's; there's home video footage of it, not TLC footage.

Although Jessa had a postpartum hemorrhage with Spurge, that situation is less likely to recur with subsequent births or lead to serious complications compared to a trial of labor after a previous cesarean section. There are also preventive measures, like delivering the placenta in timely fashion and giving medications to help the uterus contract that can help avoid a hemorrhage and I would imagine Jessa would've been very happy to put those precautions into place. Also, Jessa wears the pants in her relationship and neither she nor Ben are BSC.  I would expect that, if TLC wanted her to see a high risk specialist, she'd do it in a heartbeat.  And, if they'd nixed the homebirth, she would've gone along with it without protest,. In the case of Derick and Jill, I would assume that their general attitudes and lack of cooperation with the process played a big part in the decision to part ways. I cannot picture either one of them committing to a hospital birth or transfer to a hospital just because TLC wanted it. I would also expect them to both be highly offended by the implication that Jill is not exactly a qualified expert in the field and that TLC should butt out and let her make all decisions regarding the birth.. With the many, many weddings and babies coming down the pipeline from other family members. TLC wasn't willing to waste their time on the idiots.

Edited July 15, 2018 by doodlebug

[Heathen]

8 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

Although Jessa had a postpartum hemorrhage with Spurge, that situation is less likely to recur with subsequent births or lead to serious complications compared to a trial of labor after a previous cesarean section. There are also preventive measures, like delivering the placenta in timely fashion and giving medications to help the uterus contract that can help avoid a hemorrhage and I would imagine Jessa would've been very happy to put those precautions into place. Also, Jessa wears the pants in her relationship and neither she nor Ben are BSC.  I would expect that, if TLC wanted her to see a high risk specialist, she'd do it in a heartbeat.  And, if they'd nixed the homebirth, she would've gone along with it without protest,. In the case of Derick and Jill, I would assume that their general attitudes and lack of cooperation with the process played a big part in the decision to part ways. I cannot picture either one of them committing to a hospital birth or transfer to a hospital just because TLC wanted it. I would also expect them to both be highly offended by the implication that Jill is not exactly a qualified expert in the field and that TLC should butt out and let her make all decisions regarding the birth.. With the many, many weddings and babies coming down the pipeline from other family members. TLC wasn't willing to waste their time on the idiots.

BSC? 

[doodlebug]

Just now, Heathen said:

BSC? 

Batshit crazy

[Heathen]

1 minute ago, doodlebug said:

Batshit crazy

Lol. I agree. 

[Heathen]

45 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Someone who knows Derelict tweeted his congratulations on whatever it is that Derelict is up to this fall. The poster didn't elaborate. The rumor is (try not to laugh) law school.

I doubt it's the University of Arkansas, OU, or OSU. Where is the nearest bible thumper law school? (Online is the other option -- I don't know of any actual online law schools.) 

[BitterApple]

46 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Someone who knows Derelict tweeted his congratulations on whatever it is that Derelict is up to this fall. The poster didn't elaborate. The rumor is (try not to laugh) law school.

Lmfaoooo! I'm sitting in the car waiting for my husband to come out of a store and I busted out laughing when I read this. Derick in law school?! Is Jilly Muffin going to tag along with the boys and sit in on lectures?

[Wishing Well]

This sounds horrible - but if Jill had died in childbirth, I can’t picture Derick feeling the utter devastation that we would if our spouses had died.  Or even a fraction of his grief when his dad died.  How could he, when they barely tolerate each other?  He could pawn the kids off on a sister mom, play the part of the martyr, and he would have more material for his missions.  The godly widower who lost his lovely god fearing wife because she’s too dumb to go to a doctor. 

Part of my job involves death certificates.  I found one the other day where the cause of death was primarily tooth decay. Secondary cause was refusal to seek medical help.  There we go.

[riverblue22]

I was googling around to read about law schools for devout Christians and came across this article that references the "missionary generation."  That is certainly what we are seeing in all of these Gothard trained young adults.

Religious Schools Train Lawyers for Culture Wars:

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4632072

[bigskygirl]

The whole I am willing to die to have a baby reminds me of a sad story involving a young woman from Helena in the 1980's. A young girl in her late teens or early 20's married an older guy with the blessing of her mother. The doctors were warning her not to get pregnant because she is a diabetic, and she would be putting her life along with the baby's life in danger if she became pregnant. The husband and mother did not listen to the doctors, and the poor girl ended up pregnant. She started having serious problems and went into labor. The poor girl ended up dying.  I think the baby survived. A lot of people were not happy with the husband and mother because they were more concern about how the girl was suppose to have a baby to make her mother and husband happy. It makes me sick to think a young woman with her life ahead of her died because of the selfish mother and husband. Jilly Girl and Deredick are being selfish because they are not getting the point about Jill not having anymore babies or getting the proper care she and the baby needs in order to be strong and healthy.

[GeeGolly]

29 minutes ago, riverblue22 said:

I was googling around to read about law schools for devout Christians and came across this article that references the "missionary generation."  That is certainly what we are seeing in all of these Gothard trained young adults.

Religious Schools Train Lawyers for Culture Wars:

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4632072

First, could Derick meet the requirements for acceptance? Second, how could he possibly attend debt free? Third, how scary is it that there are folks like Derick walking around with a law degree?

[StaceyNotStacie]

Just now, GeeGolly said:

First, could Derick meet the requirements for acceptance? Second, how could he possibly attend debt free? Third, how scary is it that there are folks like Derick walking around with a law degree?

I wonder if he’d consider moving to Virginia to attend Regent University (home of CBN) or Liberty (not that I want either one of them in my area). 

[latetotheparty]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

Lmfaoooo! I'm sitting in the car waiting for my husband to come out of a store and I busted out laughing when I read this. Derick in law school?! Is Jilly Muffin going to tag along with the boys and sit in on lectures?

He’s signing up for the barnacle track. 

[madpsych78]

Derick is a professional student.

[cmr2014]

4 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

First, could Derick meet the requirements for acceptance? Second, how could he possibly attend debt free? Third, how scary is it that there are folks like Derick walking around with a law degree?

I agree, and there are other issues, too.

1. In the short bit of research I did, it  looks like they would have to move. Would Jill be able to be away from the TTH?

2. It would require a lot of hard work and commitment. Derick doesn't really do hard work, does he?

3. I don't think that Jill, Izzy, and Sam would be able to accompany him to every class. How would he manage without all his accountabilibuddies in tow?

I don't think law school is the real plan, though. It wouldn't surprise me if he wanted to go in some law enforcement direction: his father was a police officer, he wanted to be an FBI agent, and he's enmeshed in a legalistic religious cult. I don't think he could pass the mental health screenings for the police department or the FBI, so I don't really know what he's thinking about, and I'm sure I'll be appalled when it's unveiled . . .

[xwordfanatik]

1 hour ago, Wishing Well said:

This sounds horrible - but if Jill had died in childbirth, I can’t picture Derick feeling the utter devastation that we would if our spouses had died.  Or even a fraction of his grief when his dad died.  How could he, when they barely tolerate each other?  He could pawn the kids off on a sister mom, play the part of the martyr, and he would have more material for his missions.  The godly widower who lost his lovely god fearing wife because she’s too dumb to go to a doctor. 

Part of my job involves death certificates.  I found one the other day where the cause of death was primarily tooth decay. Secondary cause was refusal to seek medical help.  There we go.

Tooth decay leading to death?  Wow.  I did hear from a friend that someone she knew, got a brain infection (and damage) due to a neglected tooth that needed extraction.

It's always been a mystery to me, why one's mouth is considered separate from the same body.  Poor dental hygiene and gum disease has been proven to lead to heart problems, among other things.  

Dillweed was vetted by Boob to court and marry his favorite daughter.  Bad call there, dad.