Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[Marshmallow Mollie]

Whew! I am finally caught up! 

 

Re: Derick and Walmart 

We first learned he was leaving on a mission trip from an out of office automatic email reply.  I can't remember the contents of the email other than there was the autoreply. My assumption is that he left Walmart on his own and not fired, otherwise the email address would have been closed.

 

Pure speculation

I wonder if Jill didn't have insurance for #samuelscott's birth and either JB bailed them out financially but with consequences and the whole family is mad at the Dillards for spending their money (since it is the entire family's pot), or if JB did not pay at all since it was reckless and the Dillards are sulking.

[Lady Edith]

16 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

Jinger got money from JB for her wedding and honeymoon because she technically was working for TLC aka compensation.

This makes me wonder.  I remember in Jill’s and Jessa’s planning episodes they received a very small sum ($10,000?) to put on a wedding for a thousand or more people.  How is that even close to the compensation they should’ve really received for participation in the show?  Even a high end honeymoon in addition would be maybe $10,000. I think these kids were jacked. 

[Albanyguy]

7 hours ago, saylubee said:

Jim Bob controls the contracts, money, etc.  He never lets the contracts get renegotiated without being present even if the kids may be able to sign them separately (Jessa and Ben).  None of the kids are able to get enough traction to change the terms individually.

I wouldn't be surprised if also he gives himself a "management fee" for negotiating the kids' contracts a la Kris Kardashian.

[saylubee]

4 hours ago, Mollie said:

Israel was born on April 6, 2015.  The last 19 Kids and Counting episode aired on May 19, 2015, and then it was canceled permanently.  Do you want to know how Derick paid for the medical bills for Israel's birth?  He quit his job at Walmart (or got fired) and filed papers to start Dillard Family Ministries on June 17, 2015; then, he began asking for donations!

The consensus is that Derick was an employee of SOS.  They paid a small paycheck and provided housing.  Now donations did play a big part since I am certain that the day to day living expenses were paid by donations where the SOS paycheck went to medical bills.  Technically it would skate him by any IRS investigations but there’s no way the Dillard’s could have paid everything off without donations.

[Mollie]

1 hour ago, Marshmallow Mollie said:

Re: Derick and Walmart 

We first learned he was leaving on a mission trip from an out of office automatic email reply.  I can't remember the contents of the email other than there was the autoreply. My assumption is that he left Walmart on his own and not fired, otherwise the email address would have been closed.

 

We don't know exactly when Derick left Walmart  In true Derick fashion, he is not forthright on such things.  His leaving was noticed by Radar Online when it tried to contact Derick via his email address at Walmart on June 9, 2015 – less than three weeks after the Josh molestation scandal hit the news, but before he set up his nonprofit Dillard Family Ministries on June 17, 2015.

In the email he said, "I have recently accepted a position outside of Walmart and am no longer working for the company."  He then posts contact information for another Walmart employee to contact for assistance. Most large companies would have some kind of auto responder set up so emails sent to departed employees would not bounce.  For legal reasons, Walmart would not disclose if an employee were fired and Derick does not state that he resigned.  Also, when getting rid of a problem employee, companies will often ask the employee to resign.  This way, the employee saves himself the embarrassment and the bad job reference, but he does lose the right to collect unemployment benefits payments.

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/06/jill-duggar-husband-derick-dillard-quit-walmart-job/

Edited March 11, 2018 by Mollie

[lascuba]

9 hours ago, saylubee said:

I think the answer is probably pretty simple.

Jim Bob controls the contracts, money, etc.  He never lets the contracts get renegotiated without being present even if the kids may be able to sign them separately (Jessa and Ben).  None of the kids are able to get enough traction to change the terms individually.

When Derick and Jill filmed the birth episode and posed for the People covers, Derick likely assumed that he could use Izzy’s publicity rights to negotiate a more favorable contract for the Dillard family.  All signs point to Josh having carved out something separate before the scandal.  Jim Bob/TLC squashed any new contracts because it’s the middle of the season.  Derick gets desperate and asks TLC to at least cover medical bills from Izzy’s birth if they won’t pay them per episode.  TLC says no.  Jim Bob twists the screws against Jill to get the publicity rights signed.

It’s clear that the move to DA was planned before the scandal broke, but I bet it was not planned before Izzy was born.  I would guess that was Derick’s way of pouting and taking his ball home from the playground.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's never occurred to any of the kidults except Josh and Jeremy to negotiate their own contracts, and since Josh was the clear favorite back then, he probably had JB's blessing for that. The rest of them are too emotionally damaged to consider changing JB's setup, and Ben and Derrick were Duggar fanboys when they married in so questioning the status quo wasn't a consideration. As angry as Derick might be now, considering he still allowed TLC to film them in DA after they refused to pay Jill's medical bills, it sounds like he still didn't really think about contractually changing anything, he just asked for money and was turned down.

Derick (and Ben) clearly bought the idea that the show was a ministry led by JB and in that light, being "volunteers" makes some sense. What's chapping Derick's ass is that, even though they're supposed to be a ministry, he wasn't allowed to be completely upfront with it on the show, so in his mind he was prevented from his holy mission and therefore, "volunteering" was pointless and he ended up in debt on top of it. 

[bigskygirl]

Derick ended up in debt because he and Jill were not smart enough to realize something could go terribly wrong when Jill went into labor. They did not plan for what if something went wrong because Jill is supposedly an expert when it comes to pregnancy and delivery. They cannot blame others for their own stupidity.

[Lady Edith]

13 hours ago, ChiCricket said:

   He's probably just childish enough that it's what he's actually doing, even if it's just being done subconsciously. 

It looks like he is throwing up a gang sign. The “OK 4 JC” gang. 

That looks intentional. I just did it myself and it’s definitely not a relaxed hand. He is making a semi fist. Unless he has incredibly tight finger ligaments,  he is working to make his hand go like that. 

Edited March 11, 2018 by Lady Edith
Because typing on a phone screen without triggering AutoCorrect takes mad skills. Mad skills that, sadly, I don’t possess.

[bigskygirl]

3 hours ago, Lady Edith said:

This makes me wonder.  I remember in Jill’s and Jessa’s planning episodes they received a very small sum ($10,000?) to put on a wedding for a thousand or more people.  How is that even close to the compensation they should’ve really received for participation in the show?  Even a high end honeymoon in addition would be maybe $10,000. I think these kids were jacked. 

The honeymoons were probably paid for by TLC except for Jill's because TLC went along with Jessa, Jinger and Joy on their honeymoon to film them. The honeymoon could be considered compensation by TLC since they had a film crew go with them. In the case of Jill, she got a nice house which is probably considered compensation from the money she earned while being on the show.

[Lady Edith]

I would say these exotic honeymoons were more  “production costs” for an on-site shoot than compensation.  Jessa, Jinger and Joy all worked on their honeymoon and had to deal with cameras and crew during what should have been an extremely romantic time. I’m sure TLC wasn’t with them the whole time, but still. It was work. 

I akin this to when I have to travel for work. My employer pays for my travel, room and board while I’m away. But it’s not part of my salary nor do I have to claim it on my taxes because I’m there to represent my employer and to work. Same thing with the honeymoons. It’s business travel for the sole purpose of shooting a tee vee show, IMHO.

[bigskygirl]

If they got paid and/or compensation for their honeymoon, I am sure they did not mind it too much especially Jessa.

[Lady Edith]

13 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

 In the case of Jill, she got a nice house which is probably considered compensation from the money she earned while being on the show.

But she didn’t actually “GET” the house...it was hers to live in until it sold. Which is pretty smart of JB to do because before JB bought it to flip, it was vandalized because it sat alone for so long. A marked house to vandals and thieves. And buying it, spending the money to rehab it, only to have someone come along and wreck it again would be bad.  So Jill and Dreck were more “long-term housesitters” than homeowners. Jim bob’s investment was protected and Jilly Muffin and Dreck got a beautiful love nest in which to kick off the baby making. Win win!

[cmr2014]

2 minutes ago, Lady Edith said:

I would say these exotic honeymoons were more  “production costs” for an on-site shoot than compensation.  Jessa, Jinger and Joy all worked on their honeymoon and had to deal with cameras and crew during what should have been an extremely romantic time. I’m sure TLC wasn’t with them the whole time, but still. It was work. 

I akin this to when I have to travel for work. My employer pays for my travel, room and board while I’m away. But it’s not part of my salary nor do I have to claim it on my taxes because I’m there to represent my employer and to work. Same thing with the honeymoons. It’s business travel for the sole purpose of shooting a tee vee show, IMHO.

I agree with you.

This is JB's scam, and he's been running it for a long time. He got trips for his family around the world by selling it as "good tv" to TLC. He got his house finished for the same reason. He scammed appliances out of local businesses by touting all of the free advertising they'd get on TLC. He got a trip to Nepal for Jill because young (white Christian) love makes for "good tv." I think that the honeymoon specials are an easy sell because 1) the family is super-boring and coming up with "activities" to film has probably become a chore and 2) young (white Christian) love makes for "good tv."

I'm sure that there is a set payment for each episode that airs,  and I don't think that production costs are skimmed off the top.

[MamaMax]

Mention of the honeymoons reminds me, was Josh and Anna's honeymoon on the show? Who started the trend of TLC International honeymoon?

While there is no way to know how the finances are arranged, I think it's possible that Derp and Muffy have never seen any cash income from the show.  Whether thats because they signed away their rights, or JB scammed them (or both) or because they were compensated other ways.... we will never know unless someone spills the tea.  I can easily imagine JB doing a snow job on his kids, though, couching it in "We don't do it for the money, we just want to be an ENCOURAGEMENT TO LIKE MINDED idiots people," and having them all believe that. Whist, of course, JB cashes all the checks and acts the benevolent patriarch,  giving out homes to live in, cars to drive, and some other incidentals. 

 

Jeremy may have been the first to give all that BS the side eye, negotiate other terms, and hightail it to Texas

[ginger90]

I think Josh and Anna went to Myrtle Beach for their honeymoon.

[Celia Rubenstein]

Myrtle Beach is nice, I guess. But it sure ain't Switzerland or Gay Paree! Josh and Anna got hosed.

Edited March 11, 2018 by Celia Rubenstein

[bigskygirl]

I thought the house Jill and Derick was a wedding present from JB. Maybe JB thought they would stay in the house until it was sold. Was it ever sold? What happened to it? I agree JB is a major jerk, but Derick cannot blame him when it comes to what happened with Jill and Izzy.

[lascuba]

38 minutes ago, MamaMax said:

Mention of the honeymoons reminds me, was Josh and Anna's honeymoon on the show? Who started the trend of TLC International honeymoon?

While there is no way to know how the finances are arranged, I think it's possible that Derp and Muffy have never seen any cash income from the show.  Whether thats because they signed away their rights, or JB scammed them (or both) or because they were compensated other ways.... we will never know unless someone spills the tea.  I can easily imagine JB doing a snow job on his kids, though, couching it in "We don't do it for the money, we just want to be an ENCOURAGEMENT TO LIKE MINDED idiots people," and having them all believe that. Whist, of course, JB cashes all the checks and acts the benevolent patriarch,  giving out homes to live in, cars to drive, and some other incidentals. 

 

Jeremy may have been the first to give all that BS the side eye, negotiate other terms, and hightail it to Texas

I could see JB saving and investing the money that should be the kids' and driving home the point that it's important to save (that's consistently been his thing form the beginning) to justify the couples' lack of liquid assetts. Like Derick, he won't techinically lie or scam but he's shady as hell, and no one in the family will directly challenge him. 

[bigskygirl]

4 minutes ago, lascuba said:

I could see JB saving and investing the money that should be the kids' and driving home the point that it's important to save (that's consistently been his thing form the beginning) to justify the couples' lack of liquid assetts. Like Derick, he won't techinically lie or scam but he's shady as hell, and no one in the family will directly challenge him. 

I smell scandal number three coming on. Someone needs to get the facts together and call JB out on his crap. Where are those meddling kids and the dog when we need them. Snoopy needs to get together with Woodstock and solve the mystery. Heck get the cat from catgate on the scene. I admit I cannot stand Jill or Derick at all, but if they have been cheated out of there money from being on the show, I say we need someone to step up to the plate and help the kids out. I still think they are both to blame for what happened with Izzy and Sammy because neither one of them were too bright about not thinking of what could go wrong, but I still think JB is a total ass.

[scriggle]

If the girls' lawsuit goes forward, all this financial stuff should come out during discovery. If they're claiming loss of income, they'll have to show what they had for income prior to Joshgate.

[graefin]

1 hour ago, MamaMax said:

Mention of the honeymoons reminds me, was Josh and Anna's honeymoon on the show? Who started the trend of TLC International honeymoon?

They did show Josh and Anna's honeymoon. I remember because Josh gave a tour of the honeymoon bungalow (I think it was right on the beach) with the many bedrooms and told viewers which bedroom they slept in last night (gag).

Jessa and Ben were the first to go international. Jill and Derick stayed stateside (NC, if I'm not mistaken) and were not filmed.

[Triple P]

1 minute ago, scriggle said:

If the girls' lawsuit goes forward, all this financial stuff should come out during discovery. If they're claiming loss of income, they'll have to show what they had for income prior to Joshgate.

I think that would lead them to settle out of court, if that means Jim Bob could prevent the financials from discovery? I am not sure how that all works.

[bigskygirl]

5 minutes ago, Triple P said:

I think that would lead them to settle out of court, if that means Jim Bob could prevent the financials from discovery? I am not sure how that all works.

With JB telling the girls to trust daddy with any settlement money because daddy knows what is best for them. I wondered if Smuggly Do Rite got any money from any related lawsuit would JB step in and try to "handle" the money also. He probably would be concern Smuggar would use the money on porn and hookers.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

21 hours ago, Normades said:

I wonder if JimBoob ever thinks about his kids and grandkids lives after he goes to the great beyond. He's ensured they have inadequate education and no life skills like how to take care of finances, get a place to live, interview for a job. How does he expect them to survive?

Grifting.

[Future Cat Lady]

With the number of kids turning 18 and getting married increasing each year, I can see TLC/the production company not wanting to negotiate with each individual every time. They also don't want to pay more for the talents.  So the idea that the money is put in a company/trust or whatever makes sense. Of course, it's clearly none of the children who manages it. JB views his kids as minors. There no way in hell is letting them handle that money. Also, JB and Michelle are probably not getting paid for the show. I really don't see them wanting to lose that cash. He probably convinced the kids that this was the best for the family. That's disgusting and I can see why Derick is pissed. But his anger at TLC is misguided. They paid the Duggars the money according to their contract. The rest is none of their business.

Of course, this is pure speculation and I know nothing. 

[FakeJoshDuggar]

6 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

With the number of kids turning 18 and getting married increasing each year, I can see TLC/the production company not wanting to negotiate with each individual every time. They also don't want to pay more for the talents.  So the idea that the money is put in a company/trust or whatever makes sense. Of course, it's clearly none of the children who manages it. JB views his kids as minors. There no way in hell is letting them handle that money. Also, JB and Michelle are probably not getting paid for the show. I really don't see them wanting to lose that cash. He probably convinced the kids that this was the best for the family. That's disgusting and I can see why Derick is pissed. But his anger at TLC is misguided. They paid the Duggars the money according to their contract. The rest is none of their business.

Of course, this is pure speculation and I know nothing. 

Which makes sense that Jill herself is still appearing since she’s the one under contract, not Derick. I wonder if the pool house was their compensation? 

[cmr2014]

I think that Jill appears because she wants to appear. It's part of her lifestyle, and has been for a long time.

If Derick expected to get paid by TLC for appearing on the show, and that was a big part of the reason he courted Jill in the first place (which is very possible), he should have had those discussions before they were married. Both sides should have been very clear about the expectations -- Derick needs to be available xxx days for filming, lights will be installed in the house, etc. and, in return, he should have had a clear understanding about what he would be getting in return -- a few trips, a place to live, and a car (for example). Even if these conversations had taken place, I doubt there was a meeting of the minds with JB talking out of both sides of his mouth and Derick just talking in circles.

[bigskygirl]

17 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

With the number of kids turning 18 and getting married increasing each year, I can see TLC/the production company not wanting to negotiate with each individual every time. They also don't want to pay more for the talents.  So the idea that the money is put in a company/trust or whatever makes sense. Of course, it's clearly none of the children who manages it. JB views his kids as minors. There no way in hell is letting them handle that money. Also, JB and Michelle are probably not getting paid for the show. I really don't see them wanting to lose that cash. He probably convinced the kids that this was the best for the family. That's disgusting and I can see why Derick is pissed. But his anger at TLC is misguided. They paid the Duggars the money according to their contract. The rest is none of their business.

Of course, this is pure speculation and I know nothing. 

Derick's anger should be at himself also since he was not too bright not to realize Jill is not the best, most special midwife out there, and sadly things can turn bad when she went into labor. You think he would have Jill getting some type of prenatal care. Yes things can go wrong even with the best prenatal care available, but still... I guess getting Jill as a wife and chasing after his dream of being a missionary with the hope of TLC and JB footing the money for his expenses clouded his judgment.

[Ohiopirate02]

12 minutes ago, FakeJoshDuggar said:

Which makes sense that Jill herself is still appearing since she’s the one under contract, not Derick. I wonder if the pool house was their compensation? 

I'm sure the house was part of Derrick and Jill's compensation.   Derrick was a fool who hightailed it to Danger America before he got his name on the deed.  Its not TLC's fault Derrick is an idiot.  

[Temperance]

I stil think Derick was infatuated with the Duggars as this big loving Christian family as seen on television. I think he missed his dad and was looking for father figure in JB. He had already lost his dad and his mom was facing life-threatening cancer. I don't like Derick, but I do think he was in a very vulnerable position to be scammed. 

Jill was 23 when she got married. It's ridiculous that she didn't have some money saved from filming since the series debuted. Since she turned 18.  It's ridiculous that the rest of them don't have access to the money.

I wonder now about their courtship. Derick and Jill were more heavily chaperoned than any of the other kids. Their phone conversations were listened in on. On their wedding day they needed a chaperone to call his sick mother and ask if she felt well enough to attend the wedding. Most of the other kids seemed to have time alone to talk with their significant other.  Maybe JB thought Derick the accountant would ask questions about the money. 

[MonicaM]

I think Derick is so dumb he doesn't recognize that JB providing them a place to live IS a form of compensation.  Or that trips, food, etc. also count.  

There was a person here locally who had a short lived "reality" program that aired on the History Channel.  A production company approached him about shooting a couple of episodes on spec, and then the production company pitched the idea to the people at the History Channel.  The History Channel ordered a few more episodes, and paid the production company to go ahead and shoot those episodes.  His business was always with the production company, never the History Channel.  Don't know if he actually made any money because I don't think more than ten or twelve episodes ever aired.  

I'm guessing it's very similar with TLC and the Duggars.  I'm sure that JB learned all the laws and loopholes so he is able to keep the lion's share of money for himself, and then dole it out according to his whims to his meal tickets, I mean offspring.  

[bigskygirl]

6 minutes ago, Temperance said:

I stil think Derick was infatuated with the Duggars as this big loving Christian family as seen on television. I think he missed his dad and was looking for father figure in JB. He had already lost his dad and his mom was facing life-threatening cancer. I don't like Derick, but I do think he was in a very vulnerable position to be scammed. 

Jill was 23 when she got married. It's ridiculous that she didn't have some money saved from filming since the series debuted. Since she turned 18.  It's ridiculous that the rest of them don't have access to the money.

I wonder now about their courtship. Derick and Jill were more heavily chaperoned than any of the other kids. Their phone conversations were listened in on. On their wedding day they needed a chaperone to call his sick mother and ask if she felt well enough to attend the wedding. Most of the other kids seemed to have time alone to talk with their significant other.  Maybe JB thought Derick the accountant would ask questions about the money. 

Derick reached out to JB. He wanted someone to fund his missionary work, and he wanted a wife who wanted to do the same thing he did. He probably thought he hit the jackpot with JB since he had daughters and had a show on TLC. Jill was the first daughter to be courting, and I believe this was why she was followed more closely. Once the other daughters were courting, the rules were not as strictly enforced. I do not think Derick is the victim when it came to JB's plan on getting one of his molested daughters married off. He was playing a game just like JB was playing a game. I truly believe Derick knew the score when he started courting Jill. His plan backfired because JB did not want to pay the way for his missionary work, and Jill turn out to be too clinging and needy to be a true missionary wife. Plus the fact, he blames TLC for not paying his wife and child's medical bill because he was not too bright enough to understand Jill could have problems bringing Izzy into the world. He needs to take some blame for the whole thing. He plotted just as well as JB did in the whole thing, but in his case, he lost out big time.

[madpsych78]

Actually, Jessa was the first daughter to court, but Jill was the first daughter to get married.

[Caracoa1]

Jill is extremely sheltered from the realities of life.  I doubt she has a clue how much money Boob as made off the her and siblings!  She has no clue what her share of the money would be.  In the real world she is just as responsible for half the debt she and Derrick have accumulated but she is so stupid (sorry but it's the truth) to be stressed out about it.  She should be scared....very scared.

[bigskygirl]

11 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

Actually, Jessa was the first daughter to court, but Jill was the first daughter to get married.

Thanks, I forgot about Jessa. *whistles*

I do not think Jill was watched closely because Derick was an accountant who may or may not figure out JB was being an ass when it comes to handing out the money to Jill. Jill is JB'a favorite who got a really nice house to stay in, and her siblings were not too happy about it.

[Sew Sumi]

3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

I think Josh and Anna went to Myrtle Beach for their honeymoon.

And they showed it on TV. Remember the bible casually strewn on a bed where they'd obviously had sex? The aquarium? Parasailing? 

[lulu69]

Let's for argument sake say that the Dillards were not compensated for their tv appearances or magazine covers.

Derick is currently in school, that's a tuition bill of $10,000. They have to pay rent for the tiny duplex. Then there are recurring monthly expenses for a family of 4 like food, clothing, medical care, transportation, internet/phone, etc. Where is all this money coming from?

We know Derick is not making big money occasionally Ubering students on the weekends. Is JB funding the Dillards? Well then that's compensation. Is Cathy funding them? Well then she's a bigger fool than I thought. Is there some big anonymous donor Derick has yet to reveal?

C'mon Dillweed, you're an accountant. Even you have to agree that the numbers just don't add up.

[DragonFaerie]

I'm wondering if Jessa got Spurge to toss Derick's phone into the toilet.  It seems so quiet this weekend after this past week of his crazy tweets.

[bigskygirl]

Maybe someone told Derelict to cool it with the tweets. I wonder if Cathy wanted to help out Derelict and Jill out with their medical bills, but she was too busy trying to pay off her own medical bills because obviously Jesus saved her, but he did not want to pay her deductibles, co-payments and other expenses her insurance would not cover. Maybe God was trying to tell all three of them something, but obviously they did not get the message.

[Mollie]

Jill is having an Instagram posting blitz:  seven posts in seven days.  That's a record for her. Seems to me that she is trying to deflect attention away from Derick's recent tweets spree.  Sorry Jill, it's not working and we can see right through that.

[beckie]

Is there a way ( besides Derick, obviously), to find out if TLC actually pays people appearing on any of their shows? Cuz I don't believe for two seconds that any of this family (or anybody else)would be doing it unless they were being paid handsomely for it. And not just being paid "in kind" either. It makes no sense at all.

[Bitter Betty]

Everyone keeps talking about Jill and Derick getting the McMansion, but it's not like they were gifted it.  They were allowed to live there, possibly rent free, but the other married couples got places to live too.  In addition, other married couples got fancy European honeymoons and seem to have been given some kind of lump sum money as many of them have since bought their own houses. It appears most of the other married couples have assets and Jill and Derick have none. 

 I also keep thinking about that tweet Derick made a couple of months ago where people were wondering why they lived in that small apartment and he said something to the effect that it was cheaper to live there than where they previously lived (which had been a Duggar house, if I recall the conversation at that time correctly). That either points to the Dillards not getting free housing from JB or Derick was speaking metaphorically. 

[bigskygirl]

I do not think Derick and Jill were paying rent to JB for the McMansion.  The other couples may have houses they paid for or said we say they got as compensation from JB. Derick could have meant it is cheaper to live somewhere else without having to cater to his father-in-law or even the rest of the family. I personally do not think he enjoys being around his in-laws much. The only time he probably pays attention to them is when he wants something from them like free babysitting services. If Jill and Derick do not have assets, it is not JB's fault. He could go out and get a real full time job to support his family instead of depending on his father-in-law and TLC to pay the bills for his missionary services.

[Sew Sumi]

31 minutes ago, Mollie said:

Jill is having an Instagram posting blitz:  seven posts in seven days.  That's a record for her. Seems to me that she is trying to deflect attention away from Derick's recent tweets spree.  Sorry Jill, it's not working and we can see right through that.

Jill ALWAYS follows up Derelict's mishaps with some #bestpapaever posts. This week, the damage control was in full force, since the offenses were so bad (for them....I think we consumed several gallons of popcorn watching this mess unfold). 

[FairyDusted]

I can't even begin to think WTH is going on there today. I wonder if they were summoned to Tator Tot Way? We thought Jill was jumpy before?! Girl is hopping out of her natural skin today. Hope she got some Xanax with her fancy sticker.

[Bitter Betty]

19 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

If Jill and Derick do not have assets, it is not JB's fault.

 I'm not disagreeing, but why do the other kids (who also don't seem to work or, if they do, they work for JB) have assets and the Dillards don't? Where did the other kids' money come from? It just seems to further support a disparity between the Dillards and the other kids.  Which is really strange.  But, yes, ultimately Derick and Jill's faults.

[Mollie]

58 minutes ago, beckie said:

Is there a way ( besides Derick, obviously), to find out if TLC actually pays people appearing on any of their shows? Cuz I don't believe for two seconds that any of this family (or anybody else)would be doing it unless they were being paid handsomely for it. And not just being paid "in kind" either. It makes no sense at all.

Here is an eyewitness statement about how TLC pays the Duggars.  First, a little background:

"Jamie Slocum was the Associate Producer and Music Producer of both specials featuring Amy on TLC’s 19 Kids and Counting. In October, 2014, he also produced half of the one-hour Season 9, Episode 17, entitled “Amy’s Nashville Dreams,” which filmed Slocum directing Amy’s first music video, with Amy singing a song he wrote for her. That episode aired on November 25, 2014. On his Facebook page last November, Slocum stated that he was working with Amy and TLC for more upcoming episodes to feature her on the 19 Kids and Counting series.

"According to Slocum, when TLC wanted more shows [featuring Amy in Nashville], Slocum said he began negotiating with the network lawyers and managed to bump Duggar’s [Amy] salary to $20,000 per episode from $3500.

"The paycheck for her sidekick mom Deanna and Grandma Mary got bumped to $6000 per episode from $1,000, he told Radar."

Slocum told Radar that the Duggar's refused to pay him his 15% fee for acting as their agent and he stopped representing them and threatened a lawsuit.

Slocum's interview with Radar Online was published on the website on May 15, 2015.  The last episode of 19 Kids and Counting aired on May 19 and then the show was cancelled by TLC after the first Josh scandal. 

According to Slocum, the contract he negotiated was for episodes involving Amy, Deanna and Grandma Mary.  Jim Bob was not part of the deal.  TLC never produced those episodes and backed out of filming Amy's wedding, which pissed off Amy and husband Dillon.  TLC giveth and TLC taketh away.

Based on this, when Jill and Jessa: Counting On started, I presume that Jim Bob had nothing to do with that contract and that Jill and Jessa were the primary people paid.  When the show changed to Counting On, I think all of the adult kids were on some kind of contract and that Jim Bob was not involved.  After the Josh scandals, Jim Bob and Michelle were out of the picture due to their moral turpitude in the eyes of TLC.  To this day, TLC refuses to air reruns of the original show. When Jim Bob and/or Michelle do make an appearance on the present show, I think they are 'volunteers' because TLC would never pay them again.  

https://www.inquisitr.com/2329168/duggar-family-to-attend-cousin-amys-wedding-september-6/

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/05/amy-duggar-fires-producer-jamie-slocum-reality-star-gets-new-show/

Edited March 12, 2018 by Mollie

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Jinger was able to put down almost $90k on her house. We don't know what Jessa paid Mary, but the house is valued at $100k. Maybe Jessa was gifted the house for saving the franchise, but where did Jinger come up with that kind of coin? Jeremy didn't make big bank at all in his pathetic soccer career. For instance, he only made $44k when he played with the Red Bulls. That wouldn't have covered expenses living in NYC. No way he made more than that in Finland; I'm a huge soccer fan and didn't even realize Finland had a league until I heard that Jeremy played in it. So no, he didn't have that kind of bank saved up. 

I wonder if Jeremy called up his sports agent and had them negotiate a separate contract with TLC which is funding their real estate, clothing, vacations, etc. Their standard of living is much higher than the other couples. 

As for the Dullards paying rent on the previous Duggar-owned McMansions, I think his statement was metaphorical, as in he was aware that their standard of living was taking a hit living in the Cross Church duplex. It's also known that Cross Church's housing is gratis, being part of the tuition. However, they might have to pay a little something for "family" housing instead of typically putting two or three kids into an apartment. That said, we have no evidence that Derelict even has a job, although he once curtly replied that he had one. With his school obligations, what kind of job could he have that would be flexible enough for him to have nights and weekends off? Yes, I'm dubious about the claim of a job; if anything it's more of a "volunteer" gig with the church than he had as the Husband of the Star on TLC. 

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I don't think that JB had necessarily come up with a long-term plan for providing "dowries" for his daughters when Jill was married. The story was that JB provided $10,000 for the wedding and the McMansion at a "reduced rent." That all blew up just a couple of months later when Jessa got married and got a $10,000 wedding and a tiny house by the highway.

I've mentioned before that I think JB doles out money (an other rewards) based on obedience. Jill got the best house when she married because she was the favorite. If Derick isn't toeing the line, then the money spigot is turned off -- simple as that.

It makes sense to me that none of the kids received compensation for xx Kids and Counting. The show was about a mega-family, not about the individual kids. The entire show was geared around the logistics of feeding them and housing them, and dragging them around the country. Individual kids could, and did, leave for seasons at a time (where's Josiah?) without anyone really noticing.

Once the focus of the show shifted, though, to Jill and Jessa: Counting On, then I think that Jill and Jessa had every reason to expect to be paid. I think it's probable that JB negotiated the deal for the show (remember that he was the one who was desperate to get back on tv, and I think he floated a number of ideas to TLC before they picked up Counting On), and had all the money siphoned into Duggar Enterprises just like before. Derick may have assumed that he and Jill would get their cut, and have become angry about the fact that JB was still doling it out in dribs and drabs at his discretion. We all assume that TLC fired Derick based on the Jazz comments, but it could be that JB forced him off the show as punishment for pushing for a larger cut for his family.

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33 minutes ago, Bitter Betty said:

Everyone keeps talking about Jill and Derick getting the McMansion, but it's not like they were gifted it.  They were allowed to live there, possibly rent free, but the other married couples got places to live too.  In addition, other married couples got fancy European honeymoons and seem to have been given some kind of lump sum money as many of them have since bought their own houses. It appears most of the other married couples have assets and Jill and Derick have none.  

The Dillards may not have allowed TLC to go on their honeymoon.  They only shared a few photos from their honeymoon. I'm wondering if TLC didn't offer to pay for an international honeymoon because Jill had already visited Derick in Nepal.

Would the transfer of Grandma Mary's house include cash? I thought it would be a transfer of assets within the family. 

I wonder if the Seewalds had the same amount of drama with Jessa's hospital bill?