Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[madpsych78]

Meconium was involved with Izzy's birth. Izzy was already like 42 weeks' gestation by the time he was born.

[Absolom]

She took castor oil when in labor with Israel which probably contributed to the issues.  She "labored" for hours and hours unproductively instead of seeking competent medical advice.

Edited March 12, 2022 by Absolom

[Ljohnson1987]

Jill was so nonchalant about the meconium during Izzy's birth. "The baby could be in danger, but it's not life threatening". Okay, Jill. Did you learn that from the midwife you apprenticed under? 

[BitterApple]

1 hour ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

Okay, Jill. Did you learn that from the midwife you apprenticed under? 

Sadly, she probably did. The midwife Jill trained under, Vanessa Giron, lost her license after botching a home birth so badly the child ended up with permanent brain damage. The other midwife favored by the Duggars, recently killed her newborn granddaughter. Hopefully Jill has smartened up since then.

Edited March 12, 2022 by BitterApple

[Rootbeer]

12 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Not sure if it was speculation or truth, but I remember reading about meconium aspiration somewhere.

I don't think we ever learned what happened.  We know Sam was in NICU and that he had an IV and was on oxygen based on pics that Derick and Jill posted.  It could've been meconium aspiration, it could've been sepsis, it could've been birth asphyxia.

As far as the timeline for Derrick and Jill leaving the show, it wasn't announced at the time.  Jill and Derrick returned from El Salvador with Israel in the spring of 2017, Sam was born in July and Derick's tweets about Jazz happened about a month later.

TLC was not showing new episodes at that point and I think it wasn't clear at the time that Sam was born whether TLC had filmed any of it.

It was only months later, after Derrick's hatefulness was on display publicly that TLC issued a statement that said that he was no longer a part of Counting On and hadn't been for some time.  Whenever the actual parting of the ways occurred, nobody announced it publicly.  Based on TLC's announcement, it seems like it happened before Sam was born.  Considering that a major part of Derrick's beef with TLC was that they refused to pay Israel's hospital bills, I could see both TLC and Derrick deciding that Sam's birth wasn't going to be filmed, even if the Dillards were still part of the cast.

[ChiCricket]

On 3/9/2022 at 10:48 PM, iwantcookies said:

Derecks haircut is so dorky 

I bet Jill still cuts his hair

I was just going to write that I cannot stand grown men with bangs. I don't know why, but I really, really HATE them. 🙃

🤢 🤢 🤢 

[CalicoKitty]

Didn't he get a "professional" haircut not too long ago?  Or am I thinking of someone else.....

[emmawoodhouse]

7 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

Didn't he get a "professional" haircut not too long ago?  Or am I thinking of someone else.....

Ben went to a barber recently. 

[CalicoKitty]

Just now, emmawoodhouse said:

Ben went to a barber recently. 

I knew someone had.  I thought it was Derick.  I guess it was wishful thinking.

[ginger90]

'We want to let our viewers know that Derick Dillard has not participated in Counting On for months and the network has no plans to feature him in the future.”

November 11, 2017. 

[GeeGolly]

So it appears November of 2017 was when shit started to go down with JB because it seems Derick didn't come to the Duggars that December. Jill and Derick were still enveloped in the Duggar fold after Sammy's birth, until then.

[Rootbeer]

9 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

I knew someone had.  I thought it was Derick.  I guess it was wishful thinking.

Didn't Derrick have a big boy haircut right before FF's trial? I seem to recall his hair looking more professionally styled than usual.

Edited March 13, 2022 by Rootbeer

[sagittarius sue]

5 hours ago, Rootbeer said:

Didn't Derrick have a big boy haircut right before FF's trial? I seem to recall his hair looking more professionally styled than usual.

Yes, his hair looked nice, I think it was pulled to the side, and not in bangs.  That was 3 1/2 months ago; he's overdue for a haircut.

[iwantcookies]

[awaken]

She still hasn’t learned her lesson about posting pickle pics?

[jcbrown]

11 minutes ago, awaken said:

She still hasn’t learned her lesson about posting pickle pics?

I had exactly the same thought.

The ways she has her hair tucked back in the second shot makes me realize how much more modern she would look with a bob or some sort of shorter hair cut. I think it would really suit her.

Edited March 16, 2022 by jcbrown

[GeeGolly]

Are hashtags still a thing?

[Cinnabon]

17 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Are hashtags still a thing?

Yes, but they’ve never known how to use them appropriately.

[iwantcookies]

Is Jill letting us know that Dereck’s pickle gets tickled all the time? 
 

Also I will never look at a pickle the same way again.

[GeeGolly]

The pickles poses do go way back.

[irisheyes]

At least she’s gotten better at eating them less . . . suggestively. And, she looks really nice in the 2nd pic. 

[Lady Whistleup]

Jill is one of those women who would look really nice with a chin-length bob. Her face shape is perfect for that sort of 'do.

[auntieminem]

Jill posted a picture on IG and she looks really nice. She also did a story, they are at an empty playground she has tested negative. Sounds like she read the guidelines about when you are contagious as she was saying when they got sick and how long it has been.  She knows she will get flack for going out. One thing she does better than Jessa is how she responds (or ignores) criticism.  

https://www.instagram.com/p/CbQPAnwrRGB/

[Snow Fairy]

Sam tested positive, Izzy negative

[GeeGolly]

Wow, Cathy bought Jill one of Sierra's mugs - then run around $50. Jill did not sound good at all.

[emmawoodhouse]

23 minutes ago, Snow Fairy said:

Sam tested positive, Izzy negative

I think it's probable that Izzy brought it home from school, so he would be the first to test out. 

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I think it's probable that Izzy brought it home from school, so he would be the first to test out. 

Apparently Izzy never tested positive but Jill assumes he had it. Derick has only tested once - 11 days ago and at one point Sam tested positive. I'm guessing Jill and Izzy are the only ones who tested more than once because of the baby and school. 

[emmawoodhouse]

When Jill first announced they had it, she didn't say anything about the kids. Today is the first acknowledgement of any test at all for the boys. Everyone else had it, maybe Izzy was asymptomatic for days before J/D got sick. And then, possibly, he was already cleared. 

Even if he was negative the entire time, could he be allowed to go to school with everyone else in his family positive? 

[galaxygirl76]

42 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

When Jill first announced they had it, she didn't say anything about the kids. Today is the first acknowledgement of any test at all for the boys. Everyone else had it, maybe Izzy was asymptomatic for days before J/D got sick. And then, possibly, he was already cleared. 

Even if he was negative the entire time, could he be allowed to go to school with everyone else in his family positive? 

At my kid's school, yes.

[GeeGolly]

Has Izzy been going to school? I thought the reason Jill assumed his negative tests were wrong was because he was sick/symptomatic.

While each school district is different many have done away with quarantine and testing all together. Parents are now encouraged not to send sick and/or exposed children to school.

[Nysha]

The public schools in my area are sending students home b/c of cold/flu/covid symptoms, but nobody has to quarantine.

[libgirl2]

On 3/19/2022 at 6:06 PM, Snow Fairy said:

Sam tested positive, Izzy negative

My friend's grandson was positive but not sick, his sister was negative. 

[GeeGolly]

I hope Jill is feeling better. She sounded pretty lousy 11 days in, so I'm guessing it wasn't a mild case of covid. At least they'll all make it through the rest of her pregnancy with immunity.

[Spazamanaz]

My son tested positive a week today, and I tested positive on Thursday.  He had a mild case and is going back to school today. I'm having a rougher time. Are there complications for pregnant women? Does covid affect the baby? 

[Rootbeer]

3 hours ago, Spazamanaz said:

My son tested positive a week today, and I tested positive on Thursday.  He had a mild case and is going back to school today. I'm having a rougher time. Are there complications for pregnant women? Does covid affect the baby? 

Women who are pregnant and contract COVID are more likely to suffer complications and end up in the hospital, more likely to be in ICU and to need a ventilator.  The death rate is higher.  We don't have a lot of long term data on babies born to COVID positive women, but certainly premature delivery is more common in women with severe COVID.

[CalicoKitty]

Do we even know if Jill is getting "normal" prenatal care, or is she seeing an untrained midwife as before?  In the past, she felt she knew everything, until she didn't and ended up with emergency hospital births.

[Spazamanaz]

3 hours ago, Rootbeer said:

Women who are pregnant and contract COVID are more likely to suffer complications and end up in the hospital, more likely to be in ICU and to need a ventilator.  The death rate is higher.  We don't have a lot of long term data on babies born to COVID positive women, but certainly premature delivery is more common in women with severe COVID.

Thank you for the info! 

[Rootbeer]

56 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

Do we even know if Jill is getting "normal" prenatal care, or is she seeing an untrained midwife as before?  In the past, she felt she knew everything, until she didn't and ended up with emergency hospital births.

Jill hasn't said a thing about it.  I suspect she's getting care with one of her lay midwife buddies and plans to go into labor and try to deliver vaginally at home.  I've known a few lay midwives and they tend to be stubbornly insistent that it is perfectly reasonable and safe for anyone to deliver vaginally at home, no matter what their prior history.  I could see Jill buying that in a big way and thinking she's done everything she can.

Edited March 21, 2022 by Rootbeer

[emmawoodhouse]

Apparently Jill said somewhere (maybe her comments?) that her doctor has put her on low-dose aspirin. I doubt her quack midwife acquaintances would bother.

[Lady Whistleup]

The obsession with home births is actually not really a fundie thing anymore. The biggest, most obnoxious advocates of home births nowadays seem to be these granola-eating, star-chart reading, new Agey types. I've even heard talk that if you can't have a home birth it's better just to "seed" your kids. 

Anyway Jill did sound really weak. My guess is Izzy had a case but was asymptomatic. Many kids tend to be.

[Cinnabon]

16 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

The obsession with home births is actually not really a fundie thing anymore. The biggest, most obnoxious advocates of home births nowadays seem to be these granola-eating, star-chart reading, new Agey types. I've even heard talk that if you can't have a home birth it's better just to "seed" your kids. 

Anyway Jill did sound really weak. My guess is Izzy had a case but was asymptomatic. Many kids tend to be.

Where do you hear this kind of talk?

[Lady Whistleup]

3 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Where do you hear this kind of talk?

Parent groups. I'm a teacher so I lurk on quite a few of them.

[emmawoodhouse]

It's a boy!

[Triple P]

5 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

It's a boy!

Cathy will be devastated. I hope she isn't salty with Jill about it this time. It's Derrick's "fault" that another boy is on the way.

[MaryAnneSpier]

Oh dear. I had hoped it would be a girl so they would be more likely to stop the baby train. 

[sagittarius sue]

It's nice they had a simple reveal, no stupid pyrotechnics, games, etc. I too had hoped for a girl.

[Cinnabon]

21 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

Parent groups. I'm a teacher so I lurk on quite a few of them.

Thanks! I might be slow, but what does “seed” mean in this context?

[Lady Whistleup]

3 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Thanks! I might be slow, but what does “seed” mean in this context?

"Seed" means you just spill the seed onto the ground rather than uh ... to fertilize someone. In other words, if you can't have "natural" birth, better not get pregnant.

[SMama]

28 minutes ago, Triple P said:

Cathy will be devastated. I hope she isn't salty with Jill about it this time. It's Derrick's "fault" that another boy is on the way.

Was Cathy stupid/mean enough to be disappointed that Israel or Samuel were boys? 

[iwantcookies]

Yay! 
 

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