Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[farmgal4]

On 12/8/2021 at 3:12 PM, BitterApple said:

I have to take back my earlier criticism of Jill's hair. The color looks much prettier in natural light than it did under the salon fluorescents. 

She looks fabulous!

[BetyBee]

I think the Dillard statement was from the heart and effective. However, based on the line "As a Christian" rather than "As Christians" it appears that one person (Derick) penned it. I'm sure he had Jill look it over and approve it before hitting send. Neither of them caught that. 

[asuwur]

Is it possible that one reason Derrick was there religiously, taking copious notes (while I don't think he's an absolute monster and we have seen some evolution on his part. I could see him wanting to help Anna. He's part of the Duggar "injured Spouse" Club too.) is that he's trying to build a civil case against JB and Mullet? 

[laurakaye]

58 minutes ago, monkeypox said:

So far, Derick is the only one who has expressed any criticism of Jim Bob and Meech. He took a mild, "we were lied to" swipe at them in the Dillard Official Statement, but none of the other J'kids/spouses has even hinted that JB and Meech did anything wrong. I would feel furious and used by my parents/in-laws in a similar situation.

I feel like Austin made several non-verbal statements during the trial, such as moving to the back row rather than sit anywhere near Jim Bob, keeping his arm tight around Joy, etc.  This is just based on what I read about who came to the trial, where they sat, who they talked to.  Austin seems more like a man of actions, not words.  I'm guessing that he is just as enraged at Josh and JB as Derrick is, he just doesn't have the words to slay him like Derrick could.

It does make me wonder how Jeremy would've presented himself if he and Jinger had attended.

And I can't get over the timing of Jill going blond and then showing up to court looking like a complete badass.  I know we're basically going off that one picture of her and Derrick, but wow - she has come a long way and I just hope she continues to pull away from her very toxic family and become an even stronger version of herself.  I find it comforting that she has three great guys in her corner - Derrick, Izzy and Sam.  Freakin' YAY.

[Panopticon]

38 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

I think the Dillard statement was from the heart and effective. However, based on the line "As a Christian" rather than "As Christians" it appears that one person (Derick) penned it. I'm sure he had Jill look it over and approve it before hitting send. Neither of them caught that. 

I noticed that too. At least it wasn’t as bad as the time Derick wrote his bio for a law school web page and forgot whether he was writing in first person or third person. One sentence was something like “I married the love of his life, Jill.” 
 

(Proofread, Derick! Lawyers need to proofread!) 

[SMama]

1 hour ago, asuwur said:

Is it possible that one reason Derrick was there religiously, taking copious notes (while I don't think he's an absolute monster and we have seen some evolution on his part. I could see him wanting to help Anna. He's part of the Duggar "injured Spouse" Club too.) is that he's trying to build a civil case against JB and Mullet? 

According to someone in the gallery (get your pound of salt ready) while Derick brought his note pad everyday he/she never saw him take notes. 

[Tikichick]

Making the analogy between the trial and a funeral is probably incredibly accurate in terms of the upheaval and turmoil the family has been going through, and will no doubt continue to go through for some time.   Hopefully by the time he is released they all will have achieved plenty of stability because that will no doubt churn plenty of muck back to the surface for all of them.   It's likely he returns to a dramatically changed family dynamic -- hopefully very much including his own household.   

[Absolom]

It was possibly so many deaths.  Death of hope that Josh really didn't do something so despicable.  Death of faith in Jim Bob's honesty.  Death of any idea that Jim Bob and by extension Michelle had any support for Josh's victims.  Death of retaining belief that their marriage partners picked by Jim Bob were God-ordained.  I'm sure there are many more, but the now gaping holes in Jim Bob's personality, psychology, and theology are now open to the world permanently and in most cases without doubt. 

[Madtown]

[GeeGolly]

Jill broke the SM dry spell. Lets see who goes next.

[xwordfanatik]

1 hour ago, Madtown said:

I like her expression.  It says, IMO, "don't think you can mess with me."

I love it that their dog seems truly like a family member.  

Living a more authentic life seems to agree with Jill.  Good!

 

[luvmylabs]

On 12/9/2021 at 5:22 PM, Jeanne222 said:

Wasn't bad but I wish they would have left out the Jesus stuff!

Respectfully disagree.  Religion is a major part of their lives.  They look to Jesus for comfort, support, and help.  As a Christian myself I thought their wording was sensitive, truthful, and classy.  I wish them well as they go forward.  They have come far and have a way to go.

[Lady Whistleup]

Nice post. Fenna is still cute.

[YupItsMe]

5 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Jill broke the SM dry spell. Lets see who goes next.

My money’s on Jessa.

[Slakkie]

I smiled when I saw her post. She is vindicated for her own path. Good for her

[JAYJAY1979]

She has closure now and I think this will be an important step in healing and looking to the future.

[mynextmistake]

I’m really glad Jill has support from her husband, friends, and church community. She has been through a lot and deserves a chance to heal. ❤️

[Temperance]

21 minutes ago, mynextmistake said:

I’m really glad Jill has support from her husband, friends, and church community. She has been through a lot and deserves a chance to heal. ❤️

Her in-laws are also supportive.

[awaken]

On 12/10/2021 at 8:22 PM, YupItsMe said:

My money’s on Jessa.

IMO it’s gotta be Jeremy. I’m sure he can’t hold out much longer. 

[madpsych78]

Evidently Kim Kardashian West passed the "baby bar" exam in California. She evidently finally passed after failing it several times. 

Including it in this thread because I am wondering if Derick had to do something similar in Arkansas.

[absnow54]

On 12/12/2021 at 1:36 PM, awaken said:

IMO it’s gotta be Jeremy. I’m sure he can’t hold out much longer. 

His backlog of food posts is growing by the minute. 

[Teriacky]

The California baby bar exam is given after the first year of law school for students attending an UNACCREDITED law school. They must pass the baby bar to enter their second year of law school. 
 

Derick graduated from an accredited law school, 

[Nysha]

On 12/9/2021 at 3:52 PM, CountryGirl said:

I’m sad for the victims, not just his siblings, and their spouses, and his own family, his children especially, but for the innocents in those images and recordings, for their suffering in their creation, for their revictimization every single time some sicko clicks on them. 

I am sad for all involved except Sex Pest and his enabling parents. They turned onto this road to hell the moment they lied to minimize his abuse of his siblings. If there was true justice in this world, they would be locked up along with Pest.

I like Jill's new look and that she's going on with her life. 

Edited December 13, 2021 by Nysha

[beckie]

What is the baby bar?

[peppergal]

22 minutes ago, beckie said:

What is the baby bar?

It is the end of first year law exam in California.  Basically if your law school is so low that it is unaccredited, you have to pass that exam to move on to the rest of your law schooling.  There are other cases where a student might need to take it due to other gaps in their schooling, but for people in traditional law school programs in the state it isn't a requirement. 

https://www.calbar.ca.gov/Admissions/Examinations/First-Year-Law-Students-Examination

 

[Jeeves]

I don't think there's such a thing as a "baby bar" exam in Arkansas - and if there were it would not be relevant to Derick's situation. He's a graduate of an accredited law school.

He has not yet passed the Arkansas bar exam (we think he took it), and if he wants to be a licensed lawyer he will have to take it (again) and pass it. It's not unusual for people to fail the bar exam on their first try and then pass it the next time they take it. BTW, a friend of mine who has had a stellar career in the law, failed the bar exam on her first try. Stuff happens. Just saying.

[beckie]

5 hours ago, peppergal said:

It is the end of first year law exam in California.  Basically if your law school is so low that it is unaccredited, you have to pass that exam to move on to the rest of your law schooling.  There are other cases where a student might need to take it due to other gaps in their schooling, but for people in traditional law school programs in the state it isn't a requirement. 

https://www.calbar.ca.gov/Admissions/Examinations/First-Year-Law-Students-Examination

 

Thanks!

[BitterApple]

Me to Derick right now:

[galaxygirl76]

Don't mind me, I'm just here for the scalding hot tea.

[monkeypox]

46 minutes ago, Lukeysboat said:

Contrary to his campaign, he does not believe in freedom, but his manipulation has resulted in what is akin to human trafficking.

Is Derick comparing how the J'kids were treated on 19 Kids and Counting to human trafficking?

[Tikichick]

Just now, monkeypox said:

Is Derick comparing how the J'kids were treated on 19 Kids and Counting to human trafficking?

That's my takeaway.

[MargeGunderson]

Oh, burn it down!

[GeeGolly]

Holy shit. Derick's post. Holy fucking shit.

[Jeeves]

6 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Holy shit. Derick's post. Holy fucking shit.

Yes. He and Jim Holt are burning it down. That stuff is FIERCE.

[Annb67]

[emmawoodhouse]

Holy shit Derick! 

 

[GeeGolly]

I wanna communicate in words that Derick is accustomed to...

[Tikichick]

2 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I wanna communicate in words that Derick is accustomed to...

I bet he's not familiar with it being delivered with such panache!

[SMama]

This is not the first time Derick has alluded to human trafficking. Back when he started vague Tweeting I recall him comparing JB to Epstein. That comment drew a lot of heat as being an exaggeration.

JB “wrote” about his temper on the first book. It’s amazing how we are so easily led when someone claims to have conquered a rather dangerous behavior. I never accepted the gee golly, osh gosh persona JB and Michelle sold.

If JB was verbally abusive to Derick (Jill is a given), a grown man, one who could expose him, imagine what he has done to his 19 possessions.

JB must have been pretty damn sure Derick was under his thumb to show his fangs. It’s why while not an Amy fan, I wonder what kind of hell he put her and Deanna through. I won’t judge why they were at the TTH or socialized with the Duggars. JB is a vicious, dangerous, master manipulator. 

No wonder Ben is still under JB’s thumbs. I would not put it pass Head Monster to point out how easily Pa Seewald gave Ben up to JB. Now we know where pedophile Monster gets part of his pathology.

I can’t imagine what it was like for Derick and Jill to realize their hero had feet of clay. Derick was vulnerable after losing his father, and JB was happy to seize on that vulnerability. I’m glad Derick is standing his ground, and is helping Jill through the mess that is her family. YMMV

 

 

Edited December 14, 2021 by SMama

[Scarlett45]

You are not to discuss Jim Bob's campaign anywhere on the forums. The mods have been very clear about this guideline. Warnings have been issued- further disregard in the guideline will result in the locking of the thread. 

[Absolom]

I wonder how the holidays are going to go this year.  I'm guessing Jill and Derick will take the boys to see Cathy and Mr. B.  Perhaps they'll get together with some of the like-minded siblings before or after Christmas.  

Edited December 14, 2021 by Absolom

[Lukeysboat]

Hello again! I’m reposting Derick’s response to a post Jim Holt made on his Facebook page. I have removed the small section that goes against forum policy. (Sorry about that, Mods!) So discuss away but stay away from forbidden topics. 😉

From Derick: “It’s sad that this isn’t an isolated incident.  I used to have much respect for Jim Bob, as my father-in-law, and I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt for years.  Unfortunately, it’s only become clearer to us over time just how deep this man’s manipulation and deceit will go for his own gain, at the expense of others. He has lied to my wife and I numerous times … he does not believe in freedom, but his manipulation has resulted in what is akin to human trafficking.  When confronted privately, he is not humble, but he is defensive and verbally abusive.  When he says he cannot be bought, the truth is that he has a history of being a sellout to anything that he can personally profit from, and he will justify it however he wants to continue his personal agenda.  Again, if he has lied and continues to lie to his best friends and his own family, will he LIE to YOU?!”

[lascuba]

Well, this is Derick, so he's probably using "human trafficking"  technically in that JB and Michelle would transport the kids across state lines for filming, which was was work, but the kids weren't being paid.

Good for him on everything else in that statement.

[Cinnabon]

14 minutes ago, lascuba said:

Well, this is Derick, so he's probably using "human trafficking"  technically in that JB and Michelle would transport the kids across state lines for filming, which was was work, but the kids weren't being paid.

Good for him on everything else in that statement.

 Wikipedia’s definition of human trafficking: 

Human trafficking is the trade of humans for the purpose of forced labour, sexual slavery, or commercial sexual exploitation for the trafficker or others.

The “forced labor” part seems to apply here.

Also from part of their definition:

Human trafficking is a crime against the person because of the violation of the victim's rights of movement through coercion and because of their commercial exploitation.[9] Human trafficking is the trade in people, especially women and children, and does not necessarily involve the movement of the person from one place to another.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Cinnabon

[SnapHappy]

SO brave of Derrick to throw out these accusations years after the fact.  So forthcoming and righteous of him to defend the family when OTHER people have started the ball rolling against Jim Bob.  He's a remora, latching onto others that are taking a stand against Jim Bob.  He rides coattails. 

And right, all this horrible behavior has JUST NOW come to his attention and JUST NOW he realizes that Jim Bob is an egotistical scumbag. 

Where was bold & outspoken Derrick when Jim Bob forced his wife to go on national TV and LIE to defend her perverted molester brother?  Oh yeah, he was harassing a teenager about their sexual orientation.  So brave, so upstanding, so righteous. 

He's as big a hypocrite as Josh.

[Cinnabon]

12 minutes ago, SnapHappy said:

SO brave of Derrick to throw out these accusations years after the fact.  So forthcoming and righteous of him to defend the family when OTHER people have started the ball rolling against Jim Bob.  He's a remora, latching onto others that are taking a stand against Jim Bob.  He rides coattails. 

And right, all this horrible behavior has JUST NOW come to his attention and JUST NOW he realizes that Jim Bob is an egotistical scumbag. 

Where was bold & outspoken Derrick when Jim Bob forced his wife to go on national TV and LIE to defend her perverted molester brother?  Oh yeah, he was harassing a teenager about their sexual orientation.  So brave, so upstanding, so righteous. 

He's as big a hypocrite as Josh.

Maybe, but I’m sure the timing today is no accident. 

Edited December 15, 2021 by Cinnabon

[lascuba]

Derick knows the assumptions people will make from "human trafficking" no matter what the technical definition. It's super manipulative of him, especially considering that he sought inclusion into that "human trafficking" and was an enthusiastic participant for years. 

I'm sorry, but as gross as reality tv is, equating it to the horrors of human trafficking is even worse. 

[Cinnabon]

Just now, lascuba said:

Derick knows the assumptions people will make from "human trafficking" no matter what the technical definition. It's super manipulative of him, especially considering that he sought inclusion into that "human trafficking" and was an enthusiastic participant for years. 

I'm sorry, but as gross as reality tv is, equating it to the horrors of human trafficking is even worse. 

I think he meant it in terms of the minors having no choice in filming. JB and M have been exploiting their kids for money, and the kids were forced to participate. Yes, using the words “human trafficking” is a bit much, but right now I’m applauding him because I want to see JB go down.

[SMama]

2 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

I think he meant it in terms of the minors having no choice in filming. JB and M have been exploiting their kids for money, and the kids were forced to participate. Yes, using the words “human trafficking” is a bit much, but right now I’m applauding him because I want to see JB go down.

Derick said “akin” to human trafficking. That word won’t matter to a lot of people but it matters to me.

[lascuba]

3 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

I think he meant it in terms of the minors having no choice in filming. JB and M have been exploiting their kids for money, and the kids were forced to participate. Yes, using the words “human trafficking” is a bit much, but right now I’m applauding him because I want to see JB go down.

And that's what Derick is banking on...we all so want to see JB go down that we'll cheer on any anti-JB statement from him while forgetting the fact that his an international god-bothering bigot who's never made a single acknowledgement of his wrongs. 

Jokes on him, I have a long memory and I can hate multiple fundies at once. The enemy of my enemy might be convenient, but he's not my friend.