Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[Absolom]

17 hours ago, Marigold said:

I'm sorry I lost my head and defended Jim Bob but in all fairness, Derick is a whiny, lazy, complainer who has problems with many different people including TLC and other TLC stars who are children.  SOS ministries seemed to have let him go also. This guy is one of those people (and we all know one) who has an issue with everyone and always feel they are being persecuted or attacked.  Derick thoroughly enjoys being the victim. 

Derick is working on being the Duggar version of Meri Brown.

 

4 hours ago, Triple P said:

t seems that compensation in a standard contract is 10 to 15 percent of the production costs per episode. So if an episode costs $100,000 to produce the collective stars would receive $10,000 to $15,000 for that episode.

That's bundling all reality shows together.  TLC is known for paying on the low end and not at all if they don't have to pay.  Plus the contract isn't written for a percentage of production costs so the pay won't vary by the cost to produce an individual episode.  The pay for the "stars" also has to be divided among all the performers.

[Caracoa1]

Derrick must have done something to offend Boob.  Jessa rang up quite the hospital bill after hemorrhaging with Spurgeon's home birth.... Ben cleans toilets and does odd jobs for Boob..no way was Ben paying for Jessa's hospital stay..... Jessa and Ben tow the line...their bills get paid.

[madpsych78]

20 hours ago, Marigold said:

Derick is a liar and a shady grifter.  His mother is an enabler of his lazy lying behavior. 

We are all looking at Jim Bob, suspecting he is screwing the kidults out of money.  For all we know, Jim Bob could've been paying the Duggar adults fairly and Derick is a just an angry little bitch who is lashing out over some delusional nonsense.  

If you look at the Dugg Adults,

Jessa & Ben seem to be OK.  Jessa had to be hospitalized after the "Mother is bleeding" home birth and you know that toilet scrubbing Ben isn't making any substantial money at that job. Someone paid that bill.   Josh & Anna have been very taken care of throughout all of Josh's vile actions.  Jinger & Jeremy are living at a nice standard.  Joy & Austin are just starting out but everything looks OK.  JD works and seems to be comfortable.  Jana seems to be able to shop and looks like she can spend some money if she wants. I don't know too much about Joe and Kendra. 

WHY is Derick the only one having a temper tantrum about money?????????  Maybe because there is a back story with Jim Bob???  Maybe Jim Bob cut him off for a reason?  

Jim Bob is shrewd but all the Duggs seem to be financially comfortable/stable.  Why is Delusional Derick the only one who has issues with TLC, money and has mentioned a tell all book?  Maybe because he is fucking delusional and has problems no matter where he goes.   Maybe Jim Bob told him to cut the crap or he will cut the cash.   

I bet Jim Bob could write a tell all book about Derick Dillard too. 

 

Edit: I think i just defended Jim Bob. Please forgive me. 

 

Derick could also be the only one tantrumming about money due to a mixture of a lot of things. Think about all the married kids: 

Because they are direct sons of JB, Josh, Joe, and eventually Josiah are not going to publicly tantrum. 

Not only based on his work history (i.e., house flipping), but also personality, I just cannot see Austin throwing a hissy fit ever about anything, let alone money. If anything I can see him being passive-aggressive.

Also based on personality, but also because he tends to submit more to Jessa, who cares about the brand, I cannot see Ben throwing a hissy fit as well. 

The only other one who even has a remote chance of complaining about money, and by extension JB, is Jeremy. But I think based on past experience with contracts from his soccer days and the pastor job he has that appears to be more related to the Vuolo brand than the Duggar brand, I think JinJer are not too far that they cannot appear on TV, but not too close that they are entrenched in the entire Duggar network.

Taken together, I think in some respects it is pretty obvious why Derick is the most likely to flip about JB and money issues.

Edited March 12, 2018 by madpsych78

[kokapetl]

Happy comped birthday sundae:

[McManda]

5 hours ago, doodlebug said:

Now, of course, Derick could've purchased Cobra coverage after leaving Walmart to keep them insured for Izzy's birth, but, like Jim Bob, I think he's cheap when it comes to things that don't directly affect him and also probably believed Jilly when she told him nothing bad could happen.

I'm on the other side and only deal with COBRA coverage indirectly, but isn't it insanely expensive? As far a I'm aware, aren't you paying the full cost for the employer coverage, ie: continuing the benefits provided to you as an employee but without the employer subsidy? So if Derek was paying $150/month for health insurance with Walmart for a family of 3 it's likely that would jump quite a bit for COBRA coverage because now he's paying that cost plus whatever Walmart would have paid, so it wouldn't surprise me if healthcare expenses would have all of a sudden tripled to $450-$500/month to keep everyone insured. 

Also, is COBRA insurance worth the cost now with the Marketplace? I feel like maybe he could have done better there, or qualified for Medicaid. (Did AR vote to expand Medicaid?)

From my experience on the other side, COBRA coverage might not have been worth the headache. Yes, he would have been insured but maybe for a higher cost than other alternatives, including forgoing insurance altogether. Plus, the paperwork involved with getting everyone to verify COBRA coverage is a headache and a lot of the time I see patients forced to pay cash and get reimbursed later (which may or may not be feasible considering the high premium cost you're also paying).

I can't say I'd write off COBRA completely, but is definitely sit down and crunch numbers. I'd probably be more conservative if I had a pregnant wife, but I also see an argument for foregoing COBRA, even to the point of going uninsured in the interim. You just don't get to complain when you have bills because of whatever choice you made.

[Normades]

My son needed Cobra insurance in 2016. It cost him over $1000 per month. It's horrible! And he dealt with paying out of pocket and waiting to be reimbursed in the beginning. Fortunately, he only had to use it for a couple of months.

[McManda]

4 minutes ago, Normades said:

My son needed Cobra insurance in 2016. It cost him over $1000 per month. It's horrible! And he dealt with paying out of pocket and waiting to be reimbursed in the beginning. Fortunately, he only had to use it for a couple of months.

I'm in the pharmacy so again, only indirectly experience, but this doesn't surprise me at all. I'd definitely weigh all my options before choosing COBRA.

[doodlebug]

28 minutes ago, McManda said:

I'm on the other side and only deal with COBRA coverage indirectly, but isn't it insanely expensive? As far a I'm aware, aren't you paying the full cost for the employer coverage, ie: continuing the benefits provided to you as an employee but without the employer subsidy? So if Derek was paying $150/month for health insurance with Walmart for a family of 3 it's likely that would jump quite a bit for COBRA coverage because now he's paying that cost plus whatever Walmart would have paid, so it wouldn't surprise me if healthcare expenses would have all of a sudden tripled to $450-$500/month to keep everyone insured. 

Also, is COBRA insurance worth the cost now with the Marketplace? I feel like maybe he could have done better there, or qualified for Medicaid. (Did AR vote to expand Medicaid?)

From my experience on the other side, COBRA coverage might not have been worth the headache. Yes, he would have been insured but maybe for a higher cost than other alternatives, including forgoing insurance altogether. Plus, the paperwork involved with getting everyone to verify COBRA coverage is a headache and a lot of the time I see patients forced to pay cash and get reimbursed later (which may or may not be feasible considering the high premium cost you're also paying).

I can't say I'd write off COBRA completely, but is definitely sit down and crunch numbers. I'd probably be more conservative if I had a pregnant wife, but I also see an argument for foregoing COBRA, even to the point of going uninsured in the interim. You just don't get to complain when you have bills because of whatever choice you made.

Yes, Cobra is expensive, but Jill was already pregnant when Derick left Walmart.  Paying Cobra premiums through the end of her pregnancy to assure they would be covered for any birth related expenses would've been far less expensive than paying cash out of pocket as they did.  Cobra makes sense for a family like Derick's with foreseeable significant medical expenses in the months after he left his job.  Over the long haul, not worth it for most people and he could've dropped it once Izzy was born and everybody was ok. 

If they had qualified for Medicaid, they would've had no bills at all because hospitals and caregivers are required to accept whatever Medicaid offers as payment in full, it's illegal to bill the patient and family for anything.  So, their income was too high for government coverage; something they should've discovered shortly after he lost his job and before they decided not to get Cobra or other health coverage.

As far as buying in the marketplace, he could've probably done that, but, presuming his Walmart salary counted for that year, as well as any payments from TLC/JB for appearing on the show; they might not have qualified for much of a discount.

For that matter, we know that there are fundie Christian insurance plans like Samaritan Ministries that could've covered their hospital costs for a much lower price, but apparently, Derick didn't bother with that, either.

Can you tell I get just a little bit frustrated when people with perfectly decent incomes choose not to have health insurance and, instead, complain and beg for free care/donations when they inevitably get hit with medical bills?

Edited March 12, 2018 by doodlebug

[lascuba]

Derick was still at Walmart when Israel was born, he didn't leave until after his surgery. I think it's more likely that that he just opted not to put Jill in his insurance to save money, because they were that sure that she'd have an uncomplicated home birth. 

[doodlebug]

6 hours ago, Heathen said:

What do you think the specific reason may have been for the NICU stay? 

Probably, he was stressed due to the long labor, perhaps had an infection due to her water being broken for a long time.  We know he was on oxygen, got IV fluids (and probably antibiotics), had a feeding tube in his nose (apparently too sick to take the breast or bottle) as well as cardiac monitoring.  Two weeks is a pretty long period of time, even for kids in his situation which makes me think he had an infection and positive blood cultures as those would require a minimum of 7-10 days of IV antibiotics.

[DkNNy79]

Walmart is one of the biggest employers in the US.  They had to have been able to get decent premiums for their employees with the purchasing power that they have.

 

I’m in HR in NY, which is one of the most expensive regions in the US.  Premiums run from $500-$600 for single care up to around $2,000 a month for family coverage.

 

Scrimping on healthcare when your wife is pregnant is not a smart idea.  He should’ve tried to stay at Walmart until after the baby was born and then quit.

[doodlebug]

1 minute ago, lascuba said:

Derick was still at Walmart when Israel was born, he didn't leave until after his surgery. I think it's more likely that that he just opted not to put Jill in his insurance to save money, because they were that sure that she'd have an uncomplicated home birth. 

Which makes him an even bigger idiot than I thought.  Since he hasn't mentioned paying for his surgery, I presume he made sure he had insurance for that.  To not include his pregnant wife on his employer's insurance plan is just plain stupid and confirms that he either didn't care or actually thought there was no way Jill would need hospitalization which is even dumber.  That they would then conceive another child, court another obstetrical disaster and still not bother to get insurance to cover the costs is beyond ignorant.

[GeeGolly]

3 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

Which makes him an even bigger idiot than I thought.  Since he hasn't mentioned paying for his surgery, I presume he made sure he had insurance for that.  To not include his pregnant wife on his employer's insurance plan is just plain stupid and confirms that he either didn't care or actually thought there was no way Jill would need hospitalization which is even dumber.  That they would then conceive another child, court another obstetrical disaster and still not bother to get insurance to cover the costs is beyond ignorant.

Which seems likely, as another poster said, Derick was still covered under his mom. So his surgery was covered, but not the medical needs of his wife and child. You can't make this shit up.

[doodlebug]

7 minutes ago, DkNNy79 said:

Walmart is one of the biggest employers in the US.  They had to have been able to get decent premiums for their employees with the purchasing power that they have.

 

I’m in HR in NY, which is one of the most expensive regions in the US.  Premiums run from $500-$600 for single care up to around $2,000 a month for family coverage.

 

Scrimping on healthcare when your wife is pregnant is not a smart idea.  He should’ve tried to stay at Walmart until after the baby was born and then quit.

From what I could find, back in 2014, when Jill was pregnant, full-time employees could pay around $50 a month for single coverage which was around 40% lower than other similar policies offered by other large employers.  Not bad.  That coverage had a large deductible, but there were other options that would've covered more.  Derick wasn't working the stockroom, he was doing accounting at the corporate offices; there is no way he couldn't have afforded insurance coverage for Jill and the baby.

[lascuba]

13 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

Which makes him an even bigger idiot than I thought.  Since he hasn't mentioned paying for his surgery, I presume he made sure he had insurance for that.  To not include his pregnant wife on his employer's insurance plan is just plain stupid and confirms that he either didn't care or actually thought there was no way Jill would need hospitalization which is even dumber.  That they would then conceive another child, court another obstetrical disaster and still not bother to get insurance to cover the costs is beyond ignorant.

It's pure arrogance. They were the blessed golden couple that nothing bad could happen to, so why plan for an emergency that could never happen to them?

[Marigold]

1 hour ago, madpsych78 said:

Derick could also be the only one tantrumming about money due to a mixture of a lot of things. Think about all the married kids: 

Because they are direct sons of JB, Josh, Joe, and eventually Josiah are not going to publicly tantrum. 

Not only based on his work history (i.e., house flipping), but also personality, I just cannot see Austin throwing a hissy fit ever about anything, let alone money. If anything I can see him being passive-aggressive.

Also based on personality, but also because he tends to submit more to Jessa, who cares about the brand, I cannot see Ben throwing a hissy fit as well. 

The only other one who even has a remote chance of complaining about money, and by extension JB, is Jeremy. But I think based on past experience with contracts from his soccer days and the pastor job he has that appears to be more related to the Vuolo brand than the Duggar brand, I think JinJer are not too far that they cannot appear on TV, but not too close that they are entrenched in the entire Duggar network.

Taken together, I think in some respects it is pretty obvious why Derick is the most likely to flip about JB and money issues.

Could be.  Originally I thought Derick was speaking some truth and got excited he was gonna explain it all! 

What changed my mind is Jill's lawsuit on "loss of income".  Derick said they were not paid and volunteers.  Something is not adding up here with what Derick claims and a public lawsuit.  

[Mollie]

In December, Derick posted on Twitter that his family would no longer appear on Counting On.  Jill is in the new episode about Joy's birth which was filmed just last month.  I guess she snuck out of the house with her toy medical bag when her headship wasn't looking.

[Marigold]

10 minutes ago, Mollie said:

In December, Derick posted on Twitter that his family would no longer appear on Counting On.  Jill is in the new episode about Joy's birth which was filmed just last month.  I guess she snuck out of the house with her toy medical bag when her headship wasn't looking.

Good catch.

More logs on the fire that Derick is just a flat out liar.  I'm beginning to wonder if he really believes the shit he says. 

 

Ha! Maybe Jill decided to "get a job", reprise her old role of "Jill Duggar" and pay a few bills...told the headship she was going to visit her family, coincidentally, the cameras were rolling! 

[madpsych78]

He didn't say Jill wouldn't appear on Counting On, he said "the family" wouldn't appear. I think he's being literal and perhaps in the sense that the Dillards do not have their own storyline arc. Jill is getting the Anna treatment.

[lascuba]

1 minute ago, madpsych78 said:

He didn't say Jill wouldn't appear on Counting On, he said "the family" wouldn't appear. I think he's being literal and perhaps in the sense that the Dillards do not have their own storyline arc. Jill is getting the Anna treatment.

Good call. For someone who's supposed to beleive that lying is sin, he's awfully good at talking around the truth.

[Marigold]

Something is wrong with Derick. 

He is just plain nuts. The "family" won't appear but Jill appearing is different. 

[Mollie]

9 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

He didn't say Jill wouldn't appear on Counting On, he said "the family" wouldn't appear. I think he's being literal and perhaps in the sense that the Dillards do not have their own storyline arc. Jill is getting the Anna treatment.

This is Derick's Tweet from December 15:

 

[Ohiopirate02]

31 minutes ago, Mollie said:

In December, Derick posted on Twitter that his family would no longer appear on Counting On.  Jill is in the new episode about Joy's birth which was filmed just last month.  I guess she snuck out of the house with her toy medical bag when her headship wasn't looking.

Well someone has to put food on the table while Derrick is busy at school.  

[beckie]

Maybe I missed the answer somewhere in this thread, but did Jill pass the midwife test that Dreck drove her to? She doesn't seem to have learned a thing, so I'm wondering if she passed the test, or maybe scraped through it, or perhaps didn't pass it at all, but didn't care?

[doodlebug]

20 minutes ago, beckie said:

Maybe I missed the answer somewhere in this thread, but did Jill pass the midwife test that Dreck drove her to? She doesn't seem to have learned a thing, so I'm wondering if she passed the test, or maybe scraped through it, or perhaps didn't pass it at all, but didn't care?

Yes, she passed the exam for certified professional midwife.  They are licensed to practice in some states, but Jill has never gotten a license or actually worked in the field.

CPM’s only do homebirths, they can’t get hospital privileges or write prescriptions. Their training is extremely limited, most do some reading and then follow another CPM around to births before ‘graduating’ and taking the exam.  The CPM, Vanessa, who trained Jill, lost her license to practice in Arkansas due to incompetence.  So, Jill passed the test, but her qualifications are quite suspect.

Edited March 13, 2018 by doodlebug

[3 is enough]

10 minutes ago, PoshSprinkles said:

It’s possible Derick was specifically talking about the kids. Jill is an adult and can do what she wants, but maybe Derick put his foot down and said no more filming of him or the boys? 

I can't fault him for not wanting the boys filmed.  But somehow I doubt he is that concerned about them.

[Sew Sumi]

Jill did a TH on the episode tonight, but it could have easily been filmed before Derelict and TLC parted ways; it was about her wedding dress. Now, her appearance in GIdeon's birth VSE...did he have to give Jill permission to be shot for that? If no longer under contract, she'd have to sign a waiver to film VOLUNTARILY. 

Dying to know if she will get a paycheck for this appearance once it airs. 

[Triple P]

1 hour ago, PoshSprinkles said:

It’s possible Derick was specifically talking about the kids. Jill is an adult and can do what she wants, but maybe Derick put his foot down and said no more filming of him or the boys? 

Or, Jim Bob is still Jill's headship and Derick had no say in the matter.

[tabloidlover]

Bringing this over from the Counting On thread:

Dear God!  Jill was at Joy's birth with her medical things.....   And Joy ended up with an emergency C-section after 20 hours of labor because Gideon was BREECH!   And Jill didn't even notice!!   Clips on TLC website.   Damn Duggars just refuse to learn.

*my apologies!   This is being discussed in the Joy and Austin thread.

Edited March 13, 2018 by tabloidlover
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[Misslindsey]

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In December, Derick posted on Twitter that his family would no longer appear on Counting On.  Jill is in the new episode about Joy's birth which was filmed just last month.  I guess she snuck out of the house with her toy medical bag when her headship wasn't looking.

Hee! She is probably just "volunteering".

[AUgirl]

I don’t get it (but I’m not Duggar stupid) I could tell my son was breech just from feeling the protuberances. I could feel a head not butt between my ribs. I’m not a medical professional either. 

At the next visit I asked the CNP who assisted my OB and she confirmed it-and mine was no where near the size of the whopper Joyless was carrying. 

[Zuleikha]

Does anyone know why Jill doesn't get actual, real training? Is it that she can't do it with a Quiverful-acceptable competent midwife? If she's going to keep attending births, it would seem like she'd want to be able to do the basics! It also would be an acceptable way for her to bring in income (that her family clearly needs!)

[Heathen]

1 hour ago, Zuleikha said:

Does anyone know why Jill doesn't get actual, real training? Is it that she can't do it with a Quiverful-acceptable competent midwife? If she's going to keep attending births, it would seem like she'd want to be able to do the basics! It also would be an acceptable way for her to bring in income (that her family clearly needs!)

She is probably too poorly educated to be able to pass even the most remedial college class, let alone gain a BSN and MSN to become an actual midwife, as opposed to "midwife." Let's face it -- if Jill decided to get a bachelor's degree in any discipline, it wouldn't be four years and done. It would be several years of basics that she would have learned from ages 5-18 had she not attended the School of the Dining Room Table, then the years of actual college work. And of course she'd be taking a semester or longer off every two or three years to have another botched home birth child. 

[WhineandCheez]

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 I think Derick is facing huge bills for Sams birth and realizes he doesn't have actual cash to his name and is now freaking out.

 

I agree. And, given this financial meltdown Derick seems to be having, I don't see how they could possibly still be on board with "having as many children as God will give you" train given the very real possibility that each birth could cost into the 5 figures (and probably more than their yearly salary). Can you imagine having an annual, or every two years, event that costs more than you make in one year? Even SOTDRT graduates should be able to figure out that's not sustainable. 

 

Ummm...nope.  Jill's still gonna spawn.  Because Gothard.

 

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Jill was at Joy's birth with her medical things.....

I LOVE talk about her "medical things."  That was like 2 years ago, but  NO ONE HERE EVER FORGETS!! Another poster above called it her "toy medical bag." (HEE!).  Maybe we should do a combo and from now on call it her "Fisher Price Medical Things."

Edited March 13, 2018 by WhineandCheez

[yogi2014L]

9 hours ago, tabloidlover said:

Bringing this over from the Counting On thread:

Dear God!  Jill was at Joy's birth with her medical things.....   And Joy ended up with an emergency C-section after 20 hours of labor because Gideon was BREECH!   And Jill didn't even notice!!   Clips on TLC website.   Damn Duggars just refuse to learn.

*my apologies!   This is being discussed in the Joy and Austin thread.

She is beyond just stupid. She is a literal hazard to those around her. When will the Duggars learn, seriously?  Poor Joy. All that unnecessary pain. 

[Mollie]

It's time for Jill just to stand before the congregation and confess, "Miss Scarlett, I don't know nothin' 'bout birthin' babies!"

Edited March 13, 2018 by Mollie

[Marigold]

i think Jill doesn't pursue actual midwife certification because she truly thinks she doesn't need it.

Most, if not all, Duggars seem to have low value of actual education and professional training.  They truly believe that a few months of following a professional around can teach them what they need to know. 

Derick too.  He is so cocky that he went on a mission, with no formal training and could not speak the language of the people he was supposed to be working with.  I mean, that takes a huge set of balls.  Jill has balls too.  To think that she can deliver a baby, while facing numerous complications that would make an OB sweat, takes BALLS.  

The Duggars (& Derick) are a mix of cocky and ignorant, which is a dangerous combination. 

[bigskygirl]

15 hours ago, doodlebug said:

Which makes him an even bigger idiot than I thought.  Since he hasn't mentioned paying for his surgery, I presume he made sure he had insurance for that.  To not include his pregnant wife on his employer's insurance plan is just plain stupid and confirms that he either didn't care or actually thought there was no way Jill would need hospitalization which is even dumber.  That they would then conceive another child, court another obstetrical disaster and still not bother to get insurance to cover the costs is beyond ignorant.

He could have been on his mother's insurance plan because he was still under the age of 26. Even if he had insurance, he still would have to pay co-pays and deductibles which may not be cheap. I agree they both were stupid to think nothing bad would happen and no good prenatal care for Jill, Izzy and Sammy because Jesus would protect them. Maybe Jesus is trying to tell them something, but they are too stupid to see it. Obviously they are believing the God saved me from dying spiel crap Cathy has been spreading around.

[Natalie68]

On 3/12/2018 at 8:29 AM, questionfear said:

We need to start a metal band ASAP and call it Christian Army of Death. Our first single can be "Tater Tot Casserole of DOOOOOM"

There is not a single doubt in my mind that Jeremy used his agent to negotiate a better deal. I am also more and more convinced that Jeremy and Jinger legit fell for each other, and JB had to go along with it because Jinger would have said "see ya" and booked it with Jeremy in a heartbeat. 

LOVE it!  I am not very musical but I am sure I can play the triangle.  Or lip synch like Tracy Partridge!  For you youngin's, Tracy was the youngest Partridge who played the tambourine and lip synched.

[Lunera]

[Heathen]

Did you all see the way Jill looked at the camera and immediately did the raised-eyebrow thing? I'd like to give her Botox in her sleep so she can't do that anymore. 

[bigskygirl]

Did anyone else notice Derick's college diploma in the background? Something to be proud of right Derelict?

[louannems]

I like the way Izzy just happens to be holding a Tuttle Twin book!  I'm sure Derick ordered that .

[Marigold]

Jill does not have on chipped nail polish!!!!  Yah!!!!  Yes!!!  

She is wearing pants. 

I always brush my kids teeth in the bathroom but that is not an issue, just a comment. 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

On 3/12/2018 at 10:31 AM, Marigold said:

 Derick is a spoiled rotten man baby. Plus, he has some kind of mental health issue.  And he is a stick insect. 

I love you for the comment bolded above, @Marigold. Bahahahaha.

On 3/12/2018 at 4:48 PM, Caracoa1 said:

Derrick must have done something to offend Boob.  Jessa rang up quite the hospital bill after hemorrhaging with Spurgeon's home birth.... Ben cleans toilets and does odd jobs for Boob..no way was Ben paying for Jessa's hospital stay..... Jessa and Ben tow the line...their bills get paid.

If any of the Duggar kids are making sure to get what they feel they're owed for appearing on the show, magazine articles, books, etc, it's Jessa.  I have no doubt she's making sure she gets some sort of acceptable compensation from JB.  She's worked overtime to try be more relatable and "nicer" for the new show.  She's definitely reminding JB that she is carrying a lot of the weight of the show and family's image post-scandal. 

22 hours ago, lascuba said:

Derick was still at Walmart when Israel was born, he didn't leave until after his surgery. I think it's more likely that that he just opted not to put Jill in his insurance to save money, because they were that sure that she'd have an uncomplicated home birth. 

He's dumber than a box of hair. 

[ginger90]

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3 hours ago, louannems said:

I like the way Izzy just happens to be holding a Tuttle Twin book!  I'm sure Derick ordered that .

Apparently Cathy did

[Mollie]

16 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

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Apparently Cathy did

Those books are suggested for kids from 6 to 16.  I presume they were purchased for Jill because they certainly aren't meant for a 2-year-old!

[Sew Sumi]

The author is a self-described "Mormon anarchist." His books are all patterened after libertarian manifestos like Atlas Shrugged. Another book neither Dullard has read. The books aren't about a free society, they're about one without government interference (someone over at FJ posted some pages for perusal). They're strongly anti-government. 

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[Marigold]

That family is so fucked up. 

Jill is trying hard to look normal and cute but we see right through it

[Sew Sumi]

Jill probably doesn't even know what a libertarian is. She was conditioned to respond positively to people with (R) after their names. And she certainly knows nothing about pulling oneself up by one's bootstraps; she's been taken care of by Boob, TLC, or both, her entire life until recently. And they don't seem to be doing so hot left to their own devices.