Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[emmawoodhouse]

7 minutes ago, babyhouseman said:

Yeah, I don't think they would be good with Lolli and Pops(M and JB's grandparent names). Lolli just thinks of them as photo ops. 

Worse than that, the grandkids are just numbers rapidly accumulating to them. 

[Quilt Fairy]

I've been reading about Seagoville.  It sounds like the very definition of "Club Fed".  A college campus atmosphere with lots of trees and flower beds.  

[emmawoodhouse]

8 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

I've been reading about Seagoville.  It sounds like the very definition of "Club Fed".  A college campus atmosphere with lots of trees and flower beds.  

The inmates have to work, even at Club Fed. Maybe Smuggar will take up gardening. 😂

[lovesnark]

38 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

The inmates have to work, even at Club Fed. Maybe Smuggar will take up gardening. 😂

Even though it's wimmins work, I bet he'll try to work in the kitchen. Aside from commissary, it's the best way to get extra food. Or, I can totally see him asking if he could get paid for leading prayer meetings or something similar. Sorry FF. The prison has it's own chaplain and they don't need any of your fundie help. Maybe he could empty the garbage and put chairs away after services or something.

Even though it looks like a nice campus, it's still prison. He'll be in a dorm setting with a bunch of other dudes who have lived real lives, not the coddled, golden boy life he's lived. He's going to have guys stealing his commissary, his toiletries, his towels, pretty much everything that's not nailed down. When it happens and he whines to the guards, they're going to laugh at him and tell him to be more careful. So far, he's had a private room in the county jail for his protection. Prison is a whole 'nother ballgame. His arrogant attitude and believing he's better than everyone else is going to make his life there quite difficult.

[madpsych78]

The other FCI that the judge recommended was in Texarkana, correct? If so, that's not in Arkansas. Texarkana is in Texas, although at the border so closer to their home than Seagoville.

[GeeGolly]

I can picture FF the first night in the dorms. He'll be all laid back and cool, when inside he's all excited when he shares how awesome his bedroom at home was because it had a slide into the playroom. 😎👶🏽

He's gonna fit right in. 🤣

Edited May 28, 2022 by GeeGolly

[YupItsMe]

9 hours ago, SusanM said:

I wonder if she really, deep down, does believe he's innocent.  Maybe she does.  I think though what she is in denial over is exactly what it is that he did.  I think she figuratively sticks her fingers in her ears and goes "la la la I can't hear you" whenever anyone tries to tell her exactly what he has been convicted of.  

I don’t think she’s anywhere near ready to admit, even to herself, that he might not be innocent. If she does that then she also has to admit that their whole marriage has been a lie. I can’t imagine how that would feel. 

[emmawoodhouse]

37 minutes ago, YupItsMe said:

I don’t think she’s anywhere near ready to admit, even to herself, that he might not be innocent. If she does that then she also has to admit that their whole marriage has been a lie. I can’t imagine how that would feel. 

That's why she keeps herself in a,state of denial. Admitting the truth would be a betrayal of everything she has been taught and believes.

[Spazamanaz]

5 hours ago, babyhouseman said:

Yeah, I don't think they would be good with Lolli and Pops(M and JB's grandparent names). Lolli just thinks of them as photo ops. 

I hate the nickname Lolli. Is there any reason why she is called Lolli? Is it short form for anything? Lolli and Pops. How about Dumb and Dumber.

[emmawoodhouse]

16 minutes ago, Spazamanaz said:

I hate the nickname Lolli. Is there any reason why she is called Lolli? Is it short form for anything? Lolli and Pops. How about Dumb and Dumber.

Meech probably made it up, much like Jill Rod calling herself Mimi. 

Edited May 28, 2022 by emmawoodhouse

[Zella]

I think it's just her attempt to get around being called grandma. 

[CandyXmasTree]

4 hours ago, Spazamanaz said:

I hate the nickname Lolli. Is there any reason why she is called Lolli? Is it short form for anything? Lolli and Pops. How about Dumb and Dumber.

Because she thinks that she is as sweet as sugar. But we know the truth. 

[floridamom]

I still would like to know who the infamous "Alice" is. That letter that she wrote was accurate and true.  I guess now, Anna will have to throw out the garbage since she doesn't  have a husband at home to do it for her. I also suspect that this is the tip of the iceberg regarding the Duggar family secrets and shady financial actions. I suspect that Anna is not penniless, yes, she would write that to the judge and all but JB is too sly to leave her without money. All that shuffling of LLCs, property sales, etc was meant so Anna would have money to live on. We are all writing her off as now being a pauper. I think it's far from the real truth. What do you think?

[ozziemom]

6 minutes ago, floridamom said:

I still would like to know who the infamous "Alice" is. That letter that she wrote was accurate and true.  I guess now, Anna will have to throw out the garbage since she doesn't  have a husband at home to do it for her. I also suspect that this is the tip of the iceberg regarding the Duggar family secrets and shady financial actions. I suspect that Anna is not penniless, yes, she would write that to the judge and all but JB is too sly to leave her without money. All that shuffling of LLCs, property sales, etc was meant so Anna would have money to live on. We are all writing her off as now being a pauper. I think it's far from the real truth. What do you think?

Whatever assets that might have been in Anna’s name are not and never were in her control. She went from being under the umbrella of control by FF to now JB. Their cult believes women and children are always “protected” by husband or father. So Anna’s bills are probably paid by JB and she has an allowance. Maybe a debit card for groceries. But not enough money where she could escape.

[GeeGolly]

Even if Anna had some money in her name it wouldn't last very long in supporting 7 kids. She would need a steady income, from say, a few rentals, to even think of being able to support her family.

The only way I see Anna moving off the compound is if it was a JB sanctioned move to have her closer to Josh. I also see that as her best chance of seeing the truth, so it likely won't happen.

[merylinkid]

39 minutes ago, floridamom said:

All that shuffling of LLCs, property sales, etc was meant so Anna would have money to live on.

I mean are we SUURE those LLCs don't have some assets in them?   there might be public filings, but do you think JB is completely honest in the filings?    With her name on them, she has every right to take control of them for HER and the kids' benefits.   

But she won't.    As someone (or maybe more than someone) pointed out, she spent her whole life believing God would give her the right person.    To walk away from that  would shake her whole world view.   People less sheltered than Anna would have a hard time.   For Anna, it might be nigh on impossible.   

[Notabug]

14 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

I mean are we SUURE those LLCs don't have some assets in them?   there might be public filings, but do you think JB is completely honest in the filings?    With her name on them, she has every right to take control of them for HER and the kids' benefits.   

But she won't.    As someone (or maybe more than someone) pointed out, she spent her whole life believing God would give her the right person.    To walk away from that  would shake her whole world view.   People less sheltered than Anna would have a hard time.   For Anna, it might be nigh on impossible.   

From what I recall, most, if not all, of the LLC's in Anna's name don't have her as administrator.  I believe that virtually any transaction involving them has to go through Travis Story who is, of course, in Jim Bob's pocket and won't do anything without his approval.

While Anna may theoretically have enough money to escape; I believe there are strings attached to all of 'her' assets that make it impossible for her to cash out without JB's approval.

So, even if Anna were emotionally capable of leaving Josh to start a new life; she probably couldn't come up with the money for a bus ticket for herself, let alone the kids, unless JB approves;

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I still would like to know who the infamous "Alice" is. That letter that she wrote was accurate and true

Bobye Holt maybe?  I remember reading her letter years and years ago and those of us online speculating that Josh' 'sin' was kissing a girl he liked or copping a feel from a fundie teen at the church picnic or some other typical teenage behavior that this crowd thinks is sinful.  Boy, were we naive!

From Alice' letter, it seems clear that she was a part of this church and this mindset.  It must've taken a helluva lot of courage to step forward and tell the truth despite the brainwashing and the all too real consequences of defying the cult.  Anyway, we all owe Alice, she called him out years and years ago.  Thanks, Alice.

[GeeGolly]

If it was Bobye, IMO, she should have done more. Bobye was in a unique position where she had a little more power and access to those who could have at least shut down their show.

[Absolom]

I don't think Bobbye and Alice are the same person.  I read somewhere that Alice passed away a few years ago.

[dargosmydaddy]

10 hours ago, Spazamanaz said:

Is there any reason why she is called Lolli? Is it short form for anything?

Because it goes with "Pops" (lollipops).

[GeeGolly]

They tried to make the Lolly and Pops thing stick. Only pops did.

Edited May 28, 2022 by GeeGolly

[Albanyguy]

3 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

They tried to make the Lolly and Pops think stick. Only pops did.

IIRC, they only came up with the "Lolli/Pops" nonsense a few years ago, rather than back when their first grandchildren were born. It was basically "I know you've called me something else all your life, but from now on, I want you to call me Lolli." No wonder it didn't stick.

That was right around the same time that Anna and a few of the other daughters/daughters-in-law suddenly started referring to their children as "kiddos". It was "kiddos" this and "kiddos" that for a while, but it quickly died out when posters began making fun of them and speculating that they were trying to copy Joanna Gaines.

[BigBingerBro]

The "Lolli and Pops" thing was definitely the creation of Anna, Lauren and possibly others.  They tried to make it seem like the grandkids came up with this because they are all so witty and creative, but actually it was just the teenage-mentality of the wives.  I'm glad it didn't stick.

Edited May 28, 2022 by BigBingerBro

[FortKnox]

https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/josh-duggars-special-conditions-of-sentencing/amp/

[CalicoKitty]

4 hours ago, merylinkid said:

I mean are we SUURE those LLCs don't have some assets in them?   there might be public filings, but do you think JB is completely honest in the filings?    With her name on them, she has every right to take control of them for HER and the kids' benefits.   

But she won't.    As someone (or maybe more than someone) pointed out, she spent her whole life believing God would give her the right person.    To walk away from that  would shake her whole world view.   People less sheltered than Anna would have a hard time.   For Anna, it might be nigh on impossible.   

Didn't someone post here that the LLCs are set up needing two signatures, and that Travis Story was able to be a signer?   It sounded to me like none of the kids could just take the money in the LLCs with their name on them.  There had to be a "controlling" second signature.  Either JB or TS.  Or did I dream this?  

[crazy8s]

Many of the Duggar llcs only show a duggar the as the organizer/registering agent. Many of them show Jimmy Burns as the accountant. Some do not. Anna's have Travis Story or Western Ridge Financial on them. None in just her name. If I remember correctly, Travis Story is not listed on any llcs besides Anna's and he is part of a group that has the llc holding now defunct Wholesale Motor Cars.

Deanna's llc also has the same accountant listed, but I doubt he has to give approval for any action she wants to take.

Jason certainly has some properties in his own name outside of his llc with no cosigner listed. I would think he could sell those at any time. Not sure who would want them. They are adjacent to JB land and where Jason tried to get zoning for that asphalt recycling place that was rejected.

[lascuba]

IIRC, one of the reddit AMA's claimed to know who Alice was and that she had died years ago, but he wouldn't say who. My impression at the time was that the AMA seemed credible but, you know, grain of salt and all that. 

[sagittarius sue]

38 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

Many of the Duggar llcs only show a duggar the as the organizer/registering agent. Many of them show Jimmy Burns as the accountant. Some do not. Anna's have Travis Story or Western Ridge Financial on them. None in just her name. If I remember correctly, Travis Story is not listed on any llcs besides Anna's and he is part of a group that has the llc holding now defunct Wholesale Motor Cars.

Deanna's llc also has the same accountant listed, but I doubt he has to give approval for any action she wants to take.

Jason certainly has some properties in his own name outside of his llc with no cosigner listed. I would think he could sell those at any time. Not sure who would want them. They are adjacent to JB land and where Jason tried to get zoning for that asphalt recycling place that was rejected.

Naturally a woman would have to have a male "headship" signature on her LLC.

[BigBingerBro]

17 minutes ago, lascuba said:

IIRC, one of the reddit AMA's claimed to know who Alice was and that she had died years ago, but he wouldn't say who. My impression at the time was that the AMA seemed credible but, you know, grain of salt and all that. 

I could have sworn I read something on Reddit that gave Alice's real name.   Maybe I was dreaming.

[Zella]

9 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

I could have sworn I read something on Reddit that gave Alice's real name.   Maybe I was dreaming.

I thought so too but then I couldn't remember the post. LOL I feel like some of the recent legal paperwork about the girls' failed lawsuit outed some names concerning at the very least who made some calls. 

[GeeGolly]

In this day and age it seems wild that Alice could hide his/her identity. 

[all fall down]

1 hour ago, Zella said:

I thought so too but then I couldn't remember the post. LOL I feel like some of the recent legal paperwork about the girls' failed lawsuit outed some names concerning at the very least who made some calls. 

Yes, you are correct. It was in Kayleigh Holt Tull's deposition in the Duggar sister lawsuit (link below). Kayleigh wrote a letter that she put into a book, then loaned the book to a friend. She named the friend who she loaned the book to, and the person who called the hotline. Not sure if either of those people, or Kayleigh herself, was Alice though, but it could have been. "Alice" said in her letters that she knew the person who contacted Oprah. 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.arwd.51417/gov.uscourts.arwd.51417.139.13_1.pdf

The stuff about the Oprah show and the letter in the book starts on page 36 and goes to page 40.

Edited May 28, 2022 by all fall down

[GeeGolly]

Rachel Hutchins - is that Tyler's bio mom?

[GeeGolly]

I haven't even finished reading the transcript, but there is no way Deana and Amy didn't know Josh molested his sisters.

[lascuba]

1 hour ago, BigBingerBro said:

I could have sworn I read something on Reddit that gave Alice's real name.   Maybe I was dreaming.

20 minutes ago, all fall down said:

Yes, you are correct. It was in Kayleigh Holt Tull's deposition in the Duggar sister lawsuit (link below). Kayleigh wrote a letter that she put into a book, then loaned the book to a friend. She named the friend who she loaned the book to, and the person who called the hotline. Not sure if either of those people, or Kayleigh herself, was Alice though, but it could have been. "Alice" said in her letters that she knew the person who contacted Oprah. 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.arwd.51417/gov.uscourts.arwd.51417.139.13_1.pdf

The stuff about the Oprah show and the letter in the book starts on page 36 and goes to page 40.

I do remember reading that about the deposition. I wasn't sure if Alice claimed to have contacted Oprah herself or if you knew someone did. 

[Mindthinkr]

23 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Beyond professionally, I tell you what, I would so struggle if someone sentenced me to 20 years without internet. I'd be back in the pokey in no time.

Yes, but you do not use it for nefarious reasons. 

[all fall down]

I found the text of the Alice letters a while ago online so I saved them. Text posted under the spoiler due to length. It's wild that this info has all been around since 2007, nearly a decade before it all came out publically. Like a lot of us here, I definitely remember hearing the rumors, so when it all came out I was not surprised.

I bolded the part where Alice claims to know the person who called Oprah. 

I agree Deana and Amy had to know something, they must have at least heard the rumors. I can believe that they didn't know the specifics of the "touching" because that didn't really come out until the police report. Either they got their information from JB who we know downplayed it, or they were willingly ignorant, but they had to know something was going on. 

Spoiler

“The Alice letters Here's the full text:

Alice Says: May 22nd, 2007 at 7:03 pm

To Ruth, Let me tell you something about the precious Duggars that you don’t know. First, Michelle hasn’t bathed her younger children in years. It is all left up to the older children. They have children that have never seen the inside of a grocery store. Everything that you have seen on TV is staged. Big Time. Michelle hasn’t cooked a meal in years. Hasn’t cleaned house in years. All she does is try to look norman for the TV camera’s. Get real. This couple is out for the fame and money that they can get. They receive “Love Offering” from all over the country. They have church services in their home when it is to their advantage. They get paid for that. He and his mother “Mary” has this all figured out. She is fame hungry and she couldn’t manage this for herself and now she is helping out Jim Bob and Michelle. She calls different TV shows and exploits her grandchildren. This is the Duggar’s way of making a living and providing for the huge family. Fame and Fortune In January, the whole family went to Chicago and taped Oprah Winfrey show. Oprah wined and dined them for one week. You know that had to cost some pretty pennies. As you may have noticed, that show never aired and it never will. Oprah was informed that Josh, the oldest son, had been molesting his sisters. Yes, this is the truth. Oprah turned them over to the Arkansas State Police Child Protection Agency and the Washington County Child Protection Agency. They have been investigated to some length. Jim Bob Duggar told the producers of the show that he built a small church out back for his followers. HIS FOLLOWERS. GET REAL. THE MAN IS A FRAUD. In April, they were in court with their story. They have to report to Arkansas Department of Human Services every six months.. They have lied and lied about their son to protect him at their daughters expense. For some unknown reason the boy is still in the home with the girls. God only know if this is still going on. In my eyes he is a CHILD MOLESTOR. HE SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE HOME. What kind of parents cover up for one child and hurt the others. I do not believe that this is what God has in mind for them. Frauding the American people and taking their money and living off of it. They did not build their home by themselves. They hired it done. The Discovery Health Channel and the TLC channel wrote them a check for over $200,000. for the to build the house. Everything inside the house was given to them except the kitchen. They did buy that themselves. The rest is all free. Mary and Josh was on the phone day and night asking for donations from soup to Computers. They also received a Baby Grand Piano from Campbell Soup Co. The trip to California was also provided by the TV Stations. It was mapped out. Mile for Mile. They did not spend a penny of their money. All the groceries and gas and lodging and clothing was paid for in advance. For someone who wants to be famous, why lie about the facts. Seems funny to me. They are professional liers, both of them.. They twist their words to make them look good and and look like devoted parents and a great big happy family. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you don’t believe me, contact the Arkansas State Police Child Protection Agency in Bentonville, Ar. and the Washington County Child Protection Agency in Fayetteville. It will be worth the time and effort to read all about it. There is a lot more that I could go into but I simply do not have that much time. I think that is time the the Duggar’s are stopped. They are pimping out their family for material things to keep them fed and clothed. If they cannot feed and clothe their children, don’t have them.

Alice Says: May 24th, 2007 at 3:05 pm

People, trust me or not. I know this for a fact. God’s honest truth that the molestation happened. It happened to four of his 5 sisters. The oldest daughter was not touched. The second daughter is the one who caught him doing this. There was no rape involved, but molested. I could go into detail, but I won’t. Of course, you can find nothing about the charges. The Duggar’s want to keep this hid. Wouldn’t you? They wouldn’t have the things that they do if it had gotten out earlier. That’s the way that they make their living and travel at the expenses of others. Jim Bob and Michelle are very aware of this happening and have chosen to protect Josh over his sisters. The family is to report to DHS every six months and that the girls are in counciling. This is what the courts ordered. Jim Bob and Michelle both tried to lie their way out of this, but it didn’t happen. Just ask them, but they will just lie about it. They call their son “Precious Josh” and in their eyes he can do nothing wrong. What about the girls? I think that everyone should know about this problem and that the Duggars are frauds. They make the Talk Shows under the impression that they are pure and they receive “Love Offerings” from the viewers. He has got it figured out. How to be famous and make a living for his brood and not have to work to get it.

Alice Says: May 25th, 2007 at 4:05 pm

Well Robert, like you I was always very supportive of the Duggars. I’ve been in their home. I’ve even gone to church with them. Something just didn’t feel right. For some reason I didn’t trust Jim Bob. Then the truth came out about his son. He is the one that told what happened. Josh got up in front of the church and ask for forgiveness and all that stuff, but he was secretly still up to no good. I really don’t know how long it had been going on before it came out, but even after it did Josh pretented to be this sweet all American boy who loved his family. All the time he was going on Prono sites on the internet and watching all the filth that it has. The temptation was too much and he explored with his sisters. I know the person that contacted Oprah and told her that the family is not as pure as they seem. They were taking Oprah, the Discovery Health Channel, TLC Channel and everyone else that they have appeared on for a big ride. They receive money for each show, and if not money they get something out of it. Jim Bob has made the statement that is the way that he has to provide for his family. Don’t you think that is being a fraud? If not, please explain what is the difference. They know that when they go on the shows that they lie and the more the exposure they have the more money that comes in to him. It was Oprah’s decision the turn them over the the authorties. Oprah is not the only one that has turned them in for child abuse. Of course you can’t find any records on this. It is all sealed behind closed doors. The truth needs to be told and I have made it my mission to stop this from happening. They are frauds and living off of the good graces of other people. I’ve watch them on the Montel Williams show and I wanted to throw up. It made me sick inside to know what I know and to watch them get in front of a TV camera and lie.

Alice Says: May 26th, 2007 at 3:12 pm

The Duggars do annoy me more than other quiver full families. Probably because they are pimping their lifestyle on TV for money and publicity. It bugs me. I admit it fully. Especially when you throw in their tax-exempt status. (I really do need to start worshiping Mighty Mouse and form my own home-based church so I too, can enjoy this little benefit) It just sickens me. They pimp themselves to a world that they don’t even approve of. How much more hypocritical can someone get?

I don’t have a problem with the stereotypical gender roles that they adhere to. I don’t even have a problem with the Little House on the Prairie wardrobe. I have a problem with a group of hypocrites who are pimping themselves on national TV…not only for the money because it is individual people’s choice to watch the show or not, and if people don’t want to watch, then they wouldn’t be on, but also the whole political aspirations of Jim Bob being furthered by this. So, it’s okay to appeal to the outside world of which they don’t approve, as long as it furthers their crazy aspirations? Either stick to the lifestyle and live it, or admit that they are a bunch of hypocrites. Other quiver full families don’t attempt to mainstream themselves. They know it’s their personal choice, don’t seek public approval, and just continue on.

And I really have a problem with children raising children and taking care of the household, while mom sits on her tush cranking out the next one. I get no impression that Michelle is a hands on mother after those children hit 3mos. old. Once they hit that age she hands them off and starts working on the next one. It’s sick. The human body wasn’t made to handle it either. She’ll be dead by the time she’s 50, and her uterus will be gone long before then. It isn’t healthy, nor something to aspire to.”

Edited May 28, 2022 by all fall down

[DXD526]

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Beyond professionally, I tell you what, I would so struggle if someone sentenced me to 20 years without internet.

Imagine not being able to come here! No snarking on PTer for 20 years?? A fate worse than death!

[lascuba]

30 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Rachel Hutchins - is that Tyler's bio mom?

Yes. No wonder she was just fine with the Duggars having custody.

[Cinnabon]

Didn’t the judge just fine Josh $50,000 at his sentencing? An amount they determined he was capable of paying? If true, Josh/Anna have money somewhere.

[Zella]

Would some of his minimal income from his prison job also be potentially garnished for his fines? 

[CandyXmasTree]

29 minutes ago, Zella said:

Would some of his minimal income from his prison job also be potentially garnished for his fines? 

No unless creditors put a Leon on his prison account.

[ginger90]

39 minutes ago, Zella said:

Would some of his minimal income from his prison job also be potentially garnished for his fines? 

Yes.

Was it specified he’d be expected to pay while incarcerated, or upon completion? I’m thinking I read it and just can’t recall.

[Notabug]

3 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Yes.

Was it specified he’d be expected to pay while incarcerated, or upon completion? I’m thinking I read it and just can’t recall.

I think he has to pay by the time his sentence ends, so, with 50 grand, it's $5000/year.  

Prisoners are paid for their work, but it is pennies an hour; I think most federal prisoners earn somewhere around to $10-20 a month for their efforts.

[emmawoodhouse]

I thought I read that the $10k fine had to be paid right away. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[ALittleShelfish]

7 hours ago, FortKnox said:

https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/josh-duggars-special-conditions-of-sentencing/amp/

I'd like to take a moment to rejoice in the subtle irony of a well-placed ad in a news article about FF.  

NIKE NIKE NIKE! 

Edited May 28, 2022 by ALittleShelfish
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[all fall down]

The lump sum of $50,100 is due immediately, but looks like there are also payment options. 

Page 7 of the below document 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817.162.0.pdf

Per page 6 of this judgment, $35,100 is his assessment, $10,000 is a fine, and $5,000 goes to the Justice for Victims of Trafficking Act.

Edited May 29, 2022 by all fall down

[ginger90]

31 minutes ago, all fall down said:

The lump sum of $50,100 is due immediately, but looks like there are also payment options. 

Page 7 of the below document 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817.162.0.pdf

Per page 6 of this judgment, $35,100 is his assessment, $10,000 is a fine, and $5,000 goes to the Justice for Victims of Trafficking Ack.

Thank you for this.

I’m going to assume he’ll defer it since he’s appealing. Of course as with anything, I could be wrong .

Interesting it says he can’t afford to pay interest. 🤔 

[Zella]

Thanks to everyone for the info on payments! I appreciate it. :)

I am not sure I can link this because I saw it on Reddit, but multiple people in the family whom Josh gave money to have apparently posted on social media bashing the mother's decision to write a letter supporting Josh and distancing themselves from her support of him. One of them even went so far as to say the mother was basically manipulated into writing a letter by Anna. 

I'd wondered why the lawyers entered her letter at the last minute rather than with the other letters of support since Josh's "generosity" to the family was mentioned in numerous other letters, and I am increasingly suspecting that she did indeed feel pressured to write a letter and/or was also very aware that the rest of the family was against it, which is why hers was delayed. 

[emmawoodhouse]

I wonder how the Wilson family will fare now that their mother has written this letter defending the indefensible.