Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[RedDelicious]

What occurred to me when I looked at Josh's new mug shot, which parent does he even look like? Michelle? All of the grown siblings look so different from each other (mostly). Some have more resemblance to each other (like the Howlers and the Lost Girls) but really the only parental resemblance I see is Jill/JimBob.

 

[emmawoodhouse]

3 minutes ago, crazycatlady58 said:

Will Anna be allowed to bring the kids to visit?

I remember from Teresa Guidice's incarceration in a federal prison that only kids 12 and up could visit. It might have been a little higher, like 14. 

[Zella]

6 minutes ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

I suspect many 'Happy' Duggar announcements to deter from this shitshow. 

I actually think they might be quiet for a while. I really do think this was quite a shock to them. I don't know that the radio silence will last long, but I think it may have finally dawned on them that, even if they wanted to write off Josh's behavior as no big deal and no worse than other sins, it is clearly a big deal to a lot of other people. I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't feed into their preexisting persecution complexes rather than causing sincere soul-searching, but they might also just not have the emotional bandwidth to deal with the scathing comments right now. 

Edited December 9, 2021 by Zella

[3girlsforus]

4 minutes ago, lovesnark said:

I don't know. Different prisons have different rules as far as visitation goes.

I'm not sure there is anything more horrible than thinking prisons allow child visitation for a person convicted of child porn. That better not be the case. 

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, lovesnark said:

There are three facilities at the complex. Medium security, medium low and low.

Thanks. I was given incorrect information.

[3girlsforus]

I was under the impression that in some prisons child sex offenders are segregated for their safety. Is that true and if so, is it true in federal prisons? 

[GeeGolly]

2 minutes ago, Zella said:

I actually think they might be quiet for a while. I really do think this was quite a shock to them. I don't know that the radio silence will last long, but I think it may have finally dawned on them that, even if they wanted to write off Josh's behavior as no big deal and no worse than other sins, it is clearly a big deal to a lot of other people. I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't feed into their preexisting persecution complexes, but they might also just not have the emotional bandwidth to deal with the scathing comments right now. 

I agree. I don't think Josh is the only one in shock. Maybe a few will put out a written statement and then lay low for a bit. But I wouldn't be surprised to see an IG post or two as early as next week. Once one sibling takes the plunge, they will all soon follow. And really, life goes on. It'll be SOP for everyone but Anna and her kids.

[all fall down]

10 minutes ago, lovesnark said:

One of the articles I read said he was booked into the sex offender unit of the county jail.

I suppose that's possible (I don't know what units the detention center has), but the original person who asked about it assumed the SO in the @WashingtonCoSO twitter stood for sex offender, and that's not accurate, it stands for Sherrif's Office. 

I believe he'll be held there until his sentencing and then we'll know where he will be moved to and which unit he'll be assigned to in prison. 

[lovesnark]

4 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Thanks. I was given incorrect information.

I'm actually surprised there is a federal facility in Arkansas! Ultimately, it's up to the feds to say where he's going to go even if his lawyers ask that he stay in AR. 

[lovesnark]

4 minutes ago, 3girlsforus said:

I was under the impression that in some prisons child sex offenders are segregated for their safety. Is that true and if so, is it true in federal prisons? 

Yes, it is true. I don't know about federal prisons, though. Some prisons have special offender units that are just for child sex offenders. They receive therapy and treatments while they're incarcerated geared toward lessening the chance of reoffending. 

[Tuxcat]

16 minutes ago, SusannahM said:

But in their quest for fame, fortune, and being a spiritual example for the world, the Duggars inadvertently ended up accomplishing the opposite. Their hubris made them oblivious to the reality that it was disingenuous to preach family values to the masses when they were harboring a predator.

And I think that all feeds into the reactions from today. I watched Anna leave the courthouse about 1000 times. The Sun called her "stoic." I thought maybe she was just relieved because deep down she knew the truth. But now I think she's actually just mad. 

Of course you want to run out of the court house as fast as possible but all week long she's walked in and out, with both hands attached to Josh as he dragged her along. Today she stomped out forcefully.  I think she really believes that Josh was framed - set up - "because of his FAME" (gag) and that they are martyrs in some way for living "the right way." I think most of the Duggars believe they are celebrities. 

What part of the brain is missing when you see that this elaborate set up was way too elaborate to be a set up. A hacker could have just put it on the windows side. LOL.

Lastly, could Josh have used the defense "I was loading porn and didn't mean to access these CSAM files?" - still not true but perhaps a touch more believable.

[Zella]

7 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

But I wouldn't be surprised to see an IG post or two as early as next week.

Yes I could see that too. It will be interesting to see which ones test the waters first and in what way. 

[SJC]

22 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

He's being held at the county jail until sentencing. Many states do not allow conjugal visits at any level of jail. Hopefully, AR is one of these states.

The states that allow conjugal visits are California, Connecticut, New York, and Washington.

[emmawoodhouse]

6 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I agree. I don't think Josh is the only one in shock. Maybe a few will put out a written statement and then lay low for a bit. But I wouldn't be surprised to see an IG post or two as early as next week. Once one sibling takes the plunge, they will all soon follow. And really, life goes on. It'll be SOP for everyone but Anna and her kids.

I'm really curious as to what the Jane Does will have to say. I expect Jessa to toe the family line, as she's still on Boob's dole, but the other 3 are wild cards.

[3girlsforus]

3 minutes ago, lovesnark said:

Yes, it is true. I don't know about federal prisons, though. Some prisons have special offender units that are just for child sex offenders. They receive therapy and treatments while they're incarcerated geared toward lessening the chance of reoffending. 

Thanks for the info. I will reserve my comment on how effective I think treatment is for child sex offenders....

[emmawoodhouse]

4 minutes ago, lovesnark said:

Yes, it is true. I don't know about federal prisons, though. Some prisons have special offender units that are just for child sex offenders. They receive therapy and treatments while they're incarcerated geared toward lessening the chance of reoffending. 

I've heard that the AR facility doesn't have SO counseling. Is that part of a condition of their incarceration?

[quarks]

11 minutes ago, Zella said:

I actually think they might be quiet for a while. I really do think this was quite a shock to them. I don't know that the radio silence will last long, but I think it may have finally dawned on them that, even if they wanted to write off Josh's behavior as no big deal and no worse than other sins, it is clearly a big deal to a lot of other people. I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't feed into their preexisting persecution complexes rather than causing sincere soul-searching, but they might also just not have the emotional bandwidth to deal with the scathing comments right now. 

Also, no matter what any of them are privately thinking or saying, this is a hell of a thing to try to write a social media post about. 

Add in that most of them (Justin as the one exception) are still highly dependent on public opinion or Jim Bob or both for their income, and yeah, I can understand why they aren't rushing out to make public statements.

 

[lovesnark]

2 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I've heard that the AR facility doesn't have SO counseling. Is that part of a condition of their incarceration?

I believe it is. The conditions for child sex offenders are far more stringent that others. If AR doesn't offer it, he'll have to go to a facility that does. No matter how much Boob and his lawyers whine.

[MMEButterfly]

12 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

And I think that all feeds into the reactions from today. I watched Anna leave the courthouse about 1000 times. The Sun called her "stoic." I thought maybe she was just relieved because deep down she knew the truth. But now I think she's actually just mad. 

 

"Mad" is the word I thought as well. She came very close to storming out. 

[ginger90]

Today was difficult for our family.  Our hearts go out to the victims of child abuse or any kind of exploitation.  We are thankful for the hard work of law enforcement, including investigators, forensic analysts, prosecutors, and all others involved who save kids and hold accountable those responsible for their abuse. 

Nobody is above the law.  It applies equally to everybody, no matter your wealth, status, associations, gender, race, or any other factor.  Today, the people of the Western District of Arkansas made that clear in their verdict.  As a Christian, we believe we are all equal at the foot of the cross, and, likewise, we are all equal under the law.  Jesus warned his disciples, “…eware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.  Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known.  Therefore, whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in private rooms shall be proclaimed on the housetops.” (Luke 12:1-3).   

Moreover, “[h]e who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the Lord.” (Proverbs 17:15).  We have been lied to so much that we wanted to hear the evidence for ourselves in court.  After seeing all the evidence as it was presented, we believe that the jury reached a just verdict today, consistent with the truth beyond a reasonable doubt.

Josh’s actions have rippled far beyond the epicenter of the offense itself.  Children have scars, but his family is also suffering the fallout of his actions.  Our hearts are sensitive to the pains Josh’s wife, Anna, and their seven children have already endured and will continue to process in the future.  This trial has felt more like a funeral than anything else.  Josh’s family has a long road ahead.  We stand with them, we are praying for them, and we will seek to support them however we can during this dark time.         

[MMEButterfly]

2 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Today was difficult for our family.  Our hearts go out to the victims of child abuse or any kind of exploitation.  We are thankful for the hard work of law enforcement, including investigators, forensic analysts, prosecutors, and all others involved who save kids and hold accountable those responsible for their abuse. 

Nobody is above the law.  It applies equally to everybody, no matter your wealth, status, associations, gender, race, or any other factor.  Today, the people of the Western District of Arkansas made that clear in their verdict.  As a Christian, we believe we are all equal at the foot of the cross, and, likewise, we are all equal under the law.  Jesus warned his disciples, “…eware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.  Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known.  Therefore, whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in private rooms shall be proclaimed on the housetops.” (Luke 12:1-3).   

Moreover, “[h]e who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the Lord.” (Proverbs 17:15).  We have been lied to so much that we wanted to hear the evidence for ourselves in court.  After seeing all the evidence as it was presented, we believe that the jury reached a just verdict today, consistent with the truth beyond a reasonable doubt.

Josh’s actions have rippled far beyond the epicenter of the offense itself.  Children have scars, but his family is also suffering the fallout of his actions.  Our hearts are sensitive to the pains Josh’s wife, Anna, and their seven children have already endured and will continue to process in the future.  This trial has felt more like a funeral than anything else.  Josh’s family has a long road ahead.  We stand with them, we are praying for them, and we will seek to support them however we can during this dark time.         

I kind of love this statement. No waffling this time. 

[BigBingerBro]

[emmawoodhouse]

I do wonder how the Dillards can help Anna. Boob has been slandering them for years, and Anna will remain dependent on him for the forseeable future. 

[zoomama]

someone wrote above a post with the thought that things might have ended differently for joshua if his parents had done the job of actually raising him. i was thinking while driving home this morning that i believe that could be true.  hear me out first and no, i am NOT in any way saying he doesnt deserve what he is getting. 

he started out as a child, a wanted child. then his mother lost a baby and started the crazy train.  he had to be the big brother to too many kids and i believe he held a grudge about them taking his place of honor every time a new baby arrived. i can imagine he was feeling angry for each new baby that took his attention away. as his anger grew, so did his mental stability fade. i think that is why he chose, in the end, such egregious abuse videos etc....in his mind children are troublemakers and should be punished. 

i dont feel sorry for him with the exception of the fact that he had a sheltered, abnormal life with parents that flaunted their sexuality in front of him/them and suppressed any normal desires and experiences he would have had in a normal family. i think his outcome is directly related to how his parents treated him and the other 18.  

i certainly dont wish prison experience on anyone, especially the type that he will have.  but he made the choice to live his life the way he was raised to - above the law- and now he must pay the consequences.  i just think it could have been avoided, all this could have been, if his parents had actually parented him, instead of putting him on public display. very sad situation. 

[Zella]

1 minute ago, BigBingerBro said:

I expected them to be a lot more defensive about Josh. I'm also really shocked they used "CSAM." I suspect a PR person helped them craft that, but maybe for once, they finally listened. 

[Rootbeer]

5 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Today was difficult for our family.  Our hearts go out to the victims of child abuse or any kind of exploitation.  We are thankful for the hard work of law enforcement, including investigators, forensic analysts, prosecutors, and all others involved who save kids and hold accountable those responsible for their abuse. 

Nobody is above the law.  It applies equally to everybody, no matter your wealth, status, associations, gender, race, or any other factor.  Today, the people of the Western District of Arkansas made that clear in their verdict.  As a Christian, we believe we are all equal at the foot of the cross, and, likewise, we are all equal under the law.  Jesus warned his disciples, “…eware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.  Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known.  Therefore, whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in private rooms shall be proclaimed on the housetops.” (Luke 12:1-3).   

Moreover, “[h]e who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the Lord.” (Proverbs 17:15).  We have been lied to so much that we wanted to hear the evidence for ourselves in court.  After seeing all the evidence as it was presented, we believe that the jury reached a just verdict today, consistent with the truth beyond a reasonable doubt.

Josh’s actions have rippled far beyond the epicenter of the offense itself.  Children have scars, but his family is also suffering the fallout of his actions.  Our hearts are sensitive to the pains Josh’s wife, Anna, and their seven children have already endured and will continue to process in the future.  This trial has felt more like a funeral than anything else.  Josh’s family has a long road ahead.  We stand with them, we are praying for them, and we will seek to support them however we can during this dark time.         

Dare I say this was actually quite classy?  Derick and Jill have shown themselves to be thoughtful and fair in their use of social media in regards to this trial.  I wonder if Derick will ever elaborate as to who it was who lied to them 'so much' about the situation that lead to the trial?  Not that we all can't guess.

[cmr2014]

3 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

Fair point. Though Anna and the Duggars have not done anything to protect the younger ones in the family. His sisters were abused. Josh was already a proven risk. He was already a proven liar who brought much shame and honestly danger into the family. They didn't  take ownership of that risk. Anna continued to have baby after baby.  I for one will celebrate that the justice system made a move. Do I  feel sorry in some way for Duggars and the pain they've endured - (mostly due to Josh and the cult beliefs they find themselves trapped in) - yes. But as others have said, it's possible to feel both emotions.

I think that this is an important point.

They knew Josh had a problem 15 years ago and did nothing to help his victims or to help him. THEY KNEW BETTER than everyone else how to handle this. There were resources available in the community to help their daughters and they chose not to avail themselves of them because they know everything and have to be in control in every situation.

When The Ashley Madison scandal broke, quickly followed by the lawsuit filed by the abused porn star, they should have realized that Josh was not "rehabilitated" by digging a pond. They sent him to Jesus jail to atone for his sins rather than getting him help to deal with his actual problems.

I have some actual sympathy for Josh in all of this. No one asks to be a sexual deviant. No one actively makes the choice to become attracted to violence and cruelty. I don't know that Josh could ever have been helped, but pretending that "there's nothing to see here" and that prayer alone would make everything okay was dangerously delusional thinking and a lot of people are suffering for the poor decisions of JB and J'chelle.

[Lady Whistleup]

11 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Today was difficult for our family.  Our hearts go out to the victims of child abuse or any kind of exploitation.  We are thankful for the hard work of law enforcement, including investigators, forensic analysts, prosecutors, and all others involved who save kids and hold accountable those responsible for their abuse. 

Nobody is above the law.  It applies equally to everybody, no matter your wealth, status, associations, gender, race, or any other factor.  Today, the people of the Western District of Arkansas made that clear in their verdict.  As a Christian, we believe we are all equal at the foot of the cross, and, likewise, we are all equal under the law.  Jesus warned his disciples, “…eware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.  Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known.  Therefore, whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in private rooms shall be proclaimed on the housetops.” (Luke 12:1-3).   

Moreover, “[h]e who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the Lord.” (Proverbs 17:15).  We have been lied to so much that we wanted to hear the evidence for ourselves in court.  After seeing all the evidence as it was presented, we believe that the jury reached a just verdict today, consistent with the truth beyond a reasonable doubt.

Josh’s actions have rippled far beyond the epicenter of the offense itself.  Children have scars, but his family is also suffering the fallout of his actions.  Our hearts are sensitive to the pains Josh’s wife, Anna, and their seven children have already endured and will continue to process in the future.  This trial has felt more like a funeral than anything else.  Josh’s family has a long road ahead.  We stand with them, we are praying for them, and we will seek to support them however we can during this dark time.         

Whoa. I love this. It's very well written and eloquent.

[Zella]

4 minutes ago, Rootbeer said:

Dare I say this was actually quite classy?  Derick and Jill have shown themselves to be thoughtful and fair in their use of social media in regards to this trial.  I wonder if Derick will ever elaborate as to who it was who lied to them 'so much' about the situation that lead to the trial?  Not that we all can't guess.

Yes it was a really good statement. I'm really glad Derick didn't do his trademark pissy vaguebooking moves on social media during the trial. It's not a flattering look, and maybe law school has taught him a bit to be more professional. I also really appreciate that they acknowledged the victims first and were gracious about Anna. I'm not particularly very sympathetic to Anna anymore, but I can appreciate that they do care for her and understand this is a very hard time for her, even though the verdict was very just. 

Edited December 9, 2021 by Zella

[Chicklet]

Now do we await "the sayings of Jessa" or the "deep thoughts of Jeremy"? Can't wait to see if they have wisdom to share.

I do have to say that Derrick and Jill wrote something very thoughtful. The Duggar statement was a bit of a shock in it's sanity, too. Surprising.

Edited December 9, 2021 by Chicklet

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, Chicklet said:

Now do we await "the sayings of Jessa" or the "deep thoughts of Jeremy"? Can't wait to see if they have wisdom to share.

Jinger and Jeremy's initial statement was shockingly pretty good when he was arrested. I assume someone helped them write it. They need to get whoever did that to help them this time around to avoid, well, Jeremy. 

Edited to add: Jessa's was the only one after the arrest that seemed written by one of them rather than a publicist, and it showed. 

Edited December 9, 2021 by Zella

[GeeGolly]

11 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I do wonder how the Dillards can help Anna. Boob has been slandering them for years, and Anna will remain dependent on him for the forseeable future. 

I wonder too. I also wonder why they haven't been supporting her pre-trial. 

[IvySpice]

Looks to me like these people have started to take the advice of their PR team at last. Both of those statements are about as good as they could be.

[IndianPaintbrush]

The Dillards' description of how the trial felt like a funeral made me super sad. After all, Jill is mourning so much more than the verdict. I hope Derick is being the rock she needs right now.

[BitterApple]

22 minutes ago, MMEButterfly said:

"Mad" is the word I thought as well. She came very close to storming out. 

That was my read as well. Anna looked pissed and was stomping in a "jury got it wrong" kind of way. I honestly think she believes Josh is innocent.

[Heathen]

5 hours ago, cmr2014 said:

I think that Anna will funnel every cent she gets from JB to Josh's account. He'll tell her something like "it's part of my ministry."

Honestly, I think Josh will enjoy prison -- and this isn't just snark.

He'll be able to read anything he wants. He can even take classes and get a college degree.

He'll be able to watch television and all of the basically benign content that he's been forbidden to see his entire life.

There won't be any more "blessings" (at least for a while), and he won't have to pretend to care about Anna or his kids.

I think that he's just a genuinely awful person -- a narcissist and a sadist -- who could thrive in that environment. He's also an entitled baby-man and a coward, so it could go the other way, too.

You're right, but I do think he cares about Anna at some level.  He's been over the M kids since the third was announced so I doubt he'll miss the arrivals of more blessings.  

I hope the M kids and his siblings are ok. They didn't ask to have a pedophile for a dad or brother, and contrary to what a lot of social media commenters are saying today, not everybody in the Duggar family is evil. The sins are Smuggar's, not his kids' or siblings'. 

[Zella]

5 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I wonder too. I also wonder why they haven't been supporting her pre-trial. 

I personally don't think any of Josh's siblings are really required to support her. 

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

I personally don't think any of Josh's siblings are really required to support her. 

Oh me either. It was in the Dillard's statement. 

[Absolom]

Derick did sit with Anna through most of the trial.  We don't know what other contact they may or may not have had.

[EllaWycliffe]

2 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

That was my read as well. Anna looked pissed and was stomping in a "jury got it wrong" kind of way. I honestly think she believes Josh is innocent.

Or she realizes she's totally fucked. She's got no way to earn a living and he's going to prison and she's left with what, six kids? And if she divorces him or badmouths him in any way, HIS family (JimBob and Michelle specifically) will cease supporting her and her own family seems to have the idea that once you marry, you're HIS family's problem now. 

[Zella]

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

Oh me either. It was in the Dillard's statement. 

Right I just don't find it problematic for them to mention it now without having necessarily shown it before. I kind of get the impression Anna is probably hard to support if you think Josh is guilty precisely because she does seem so convinced of his innocence. It's probably better to just throw her a little lifeline that she might respond to after some time. At least that's what I have found with relatives who are in really bad situations they don't want to have perspective on. 

[merylinkid]

25 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

No you loved Josh more than you loved your other kids, that's why you just swept it under the rug when he abused his sisters.   And you love your ego and your image as the perfect " Christian" family more than you even love Josh.   That's why you never bothered to get him OR your daughters the very real help they needed.   Because if you went to outsiders for help it meant your way was not the perfect, only way to raise kids.   

The parents I have no sympathy for.   I have a little bit of sympathy for Anna.   Abused people -- and I think this cult is at least mentally abusive -- don't really believe they can leave, no matter how many reasons are offered or they know about.   Josh's victims and Anna's kids -- all the sympathy in the world.   They had NO say in this.   They did not deserve to be dragged into this mess.  

[quarks]

Duggar adjacent Sierra Dominguez also released an Instagram statement that without naming names, is supportive of victims, not Josh. 

 

[mythoughtis]

19 minutes ago, Zella said:

I personally don't think any of Josh's siblings are really required to support her. 

Not her….but they are aunts and uncles to 7 fatherless children who do need and deserve their support.  Jeremy’s mom can give them some insight on that since she works with children whos parents are in prison. 

[YupItsMe]

45 minutes ago, MMEButterfly said:

"Mad" is the word I thought as well. She came very close to storming out. 

Maybe. Or maybe she was just trying to keep her knees from buckling. 

[Madtown]

26 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

That was my read as well. Anna looked pissed and was stomping in a "jury got it wrong" kind of way. I honestly think she believes Josh is innocent.

Watching her stomp out of the court house, I wanted her mad for so many reasons, but I know deep down in my gut, this is the exact reason she was mad.

I want her mad at JB an MEchelle for ignoring his past behavior. I want her mad at her parents for signing her up to marry this asshole because, let's be real, she had no say. I want her to be mad at herself for not taking measures when everything came out and the Ashley Madison thing happened. I want her to be mad for having more kids with him after all that. I want her to be mad at this insane cult where she has to worship the ground her husband walked on and do nothing but birth babies. A cult that never allows the women to have a life of their own. Lastly, I want her to be screaming mad at her piece of shit husband for the dispicable things he did and disgracing their family, along with leaving her with 7 kids(yes, she is at fault for that many as well).

I don't consider her being able to live and be taken care of by the two people that did nothing for her or their son(and victims)to be the answer.

Edited December 9, 2021 by Madtown

[Zella]

5 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

Not her….but they are aunts and uncles to 7 fatherless children who do need and deserve their support.  Jeremy’s mom can give them some insight on that since she works with children whos parents are in prison. 

It's a nice gesture if they do, but I also don't think they are obligated to do so. I remember when Josh was first arrested, some people were arguing that Anna's kids should be sent to live with his sisters who were his victims, namely Jinger and Jill, and I feel the same about that as I do this. His kids are innocent and I feel very sorry for them, and if their aunts and uncles rally around them, that's great, but I also don't think it's fair to his sisters who were his victims to be inherently expected to do the emotional labor of cleaning up his bullshit. I'm a big believer in boundaries for dysfunctional family members, and if they don't want to do that, they shouldn't. 

Edited December 9, 2021 by Zella

[monkeypox]

From the Dillard Family Statement: 

50 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

 We have been lied to so much that we wanted to hear the evidence for ourselves in court.  After seeing all the evidence as it was presented, we believe that the jury reached a just verdict today, consistent with the truth beyond a reasonable doubt.

I want the deets on what lies were told to the Dillards.

[CountryGirl]

👏 👏 👏 👏  👏 for Jill and Derick’s statement. Speaking their truth and acknowledging that justice was served and no one is ABOVE the law. Extending grace to Anna. The caring for their nieces and nephews. 

But also noting the sadness they feel because Jill is sad and has a right to be sad. I know that after the initial elation of the verdict, I’m having a lot of emotions and it’s triggering me right now, given my own history as a CSA survivor.

I am relieved that justice was served but I am also sad that this trial ever had to be. 

I’m sad for the victims, not just his siblings, and their spouses, and his own family, his children especially, but for the innocents in those images and recordings, for their suffering in their creation, for their revictimization every single time some sicko clicks on them. 

But I hope all CSA victims can find some measure of peace tonight.  

[riverblue22]

Josh Duggar's trial is going to be covered on the ABC Evening News with David Muir.