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New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
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Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

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Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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15 minutes ago, Arkay said:

Is that the case that I read on another website, which is referred to for the child’s privacy as the “D.D tape?”

 

Unfortunately it is, yes.

20 minutes ago, theironwoman said:

Josh has been nothing but a destructive force, menace, and burden on everyone around him for most of his life now. I still think that the kindest, most compassionate thing to do for all involved would have been to have him stay in prison and let Josh be Josh's own problem for once in his pathetic life.

Amen. It's mind blowing how many people, particularly women, have been thrown to the wolves for the sake of that festering canker sore. First time around, Josh's victimized sisters went on national tv to defend him. Second time, Anna had to go to bat. Third time, a clearly unprepared and nervous housewife is forced to play nanny. When is this loser going to face any consequences? It makes my blood boil.

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Tuxcat

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I realize its borderline nuts to be this invested in Josh's case but I find myself here anyway. Since I've followed the show since day 1, to me the Duggars are well known. I was actually surprised there were not more reporters at his jail release. That's when I Check myself and say, "the majority of people actually don't care" - lol.

Will TMZ be parked outside the Reber's (sp)? Will we know if Josh is going to "work" or if Anna is visiting? Ugh.. again ...borderline obsession here.

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marleyfan

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4 hours ago, cereality said:

But they’ve seen it all and aren’t going to be fooled by dumb Duggar excuses like oh I didn’t know there was wifi at that rental house when I picked up Jed’s phone, I just wanted to see the weather blah blah. Or oh no this isn’t my phone, Anna didn’t get me this, Jason carries 2 phones blah blah.

I have a feeling that Josh is going to violate his parole and end back in jail 

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33 minutes ago, marleyfan said:

I have a feeling that Josh is going to violate his parole and end back in jail 

I hope so b/c I read a mild description of the DD video and Josh should be put in solitary confinement and given a bowl of slop 3 times a day for the rest of his life. Every asshole who whines that he was only looking, he didn't hurt anyone should have to watch/read/listen to that video. Anna should have to do that and if she still thinks it's okay for her kids to be around that scumbag her children should be removed from her custody, #7 at birth, and she should be forcibly sterilized.  

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GeeGolly

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2 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

I realize its borderline nuts to be this invested in Josh's case but I find myself here anyway. Since I've followed the show since day 1, to me the Duggars are well known. I was actually surprised there were not more reporters at his jail release. That's when I Check myself and say, "the majority of people actually don't care" - lol.

Will TMZ be parked outside the Reber's (sp)? Will we know if Josh is going to "work" or if Anna is visiting? Ugh.. again ...borderline obsession here.

I'm not sure they're well known. Most of the folks I know don't know who they are. IMO, its different from say, the name recognition of the Kardashians. I've never watched a show, but I know who the Kardashians are. I think the Duggars were more well known back when Michelle was having babies and they were appearing on the Today show. Like the Gosselins, no matter how hard Kate tries to stay relevant, these families fade away. I also think the Duggars are polarizing, so some who disagree with their lifestyle won't watch them or hate watch them.

As far as the tabloids, they may poke around trying to spot Josh or catch him screwing up, but I doubt it because the AR isn't really convenient and I'm not sure they'd get enough clicks between now and the trial. During the trial they might poke around more.

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3 hours ago, Nysha said:

I hope so b/c I read a mild description of the DD video and Josh should be put in solitary confinement and given a bowl of slop 3 times a day for the rest of his life. Every asshole who whines that he was only looking, he didn't hurt anyone should have to watch/read/listen to that video

The DD video was infamous at the time and really hard to access. The fucko who made it charged 10 grand to watch it on a pay per view type thing and a lot of people who did got caught and received decades in prison. If Josh was savvy enough to find that (which i assume is hard still) then God knows what else he's been watching. His idiot wife is probably equating his charge with standard 'woman covered in jizz from a threesome' porn and those kids have no chance if that's the family's attitude. 

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Churchhoney

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6 hours ago, BitterApple said:

If Mrs. Reber is Filipina, it's even more horrible given the nature of the particular file Josh downloaded. When the guy who created the imagery was prosecuted, it was a huge case over there. Wow. Her husband is a total asshole for allowing this. 

I've avoided the details about what Smuggar had, but I know this incredibly tragic and horrifying story. It's the Australian guy who committed years of unspeakable crimes in the Philippines, right? I saw an Australian news program on it and on him, including the search for the bodies. And that was a huge story all over the west side of the Pacific rim, I think, so it's hard to imagine Mrs. Reber hasn't heard at least hints of it, if she is Filipina. And I expect she is. 

I despised her "patriarch" husband before, because of what became clear from her testimony in court. And, to be fair, I expect he probably doesn't know anything about that case or that some of the images from it were among Josh's bundle. So he's probably not being consciously callous in that way. But this is awful, nevertheless. I can only hope that Mrs. Reber pays little enough attention to Josh's court case to avoid finding out that the stuff he looked at included images from this horror-almost-beyond-comprehension. 

Now I get what the one fed's comment about the stuff meant, about 'one of the five worst" things ever. Not surprising that Josh's cache included some of that material, since I think it's one of the biggest individual "libraries" of child-sex-abuse horror in the world and has been distributed around the world millions of times for years now.

The case described in this Wikipedia article is probably the reason for the fed guy's "one of the five worst" assessment, if anybody wants to know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Scully

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4 hours ago, Nysha said:

Every asshole who whines that he was only looking, he didn't hurt anyone should have to watch/read/listen to that video.

A thousand times this.  I would like to add to this list of watchers Boob, Mullet, and the TLC executives who are hoping this blows over.  Put them in a dark room, their eyes held open Clockwork Orange style, and let them see what dear precious first born prince has been watching.  

Edited to add - too many people are giving TLC a pass on this because Josh is no longer on the show.  As others have said but I will say again - TLC IS FUNDING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING FOR JOSHUA DUGGAR'S DEFENSE.  I wish no ill will to the siblings, but TLC allowed the parents back on the current show - can we not have a little biblical you reap what you sow lesson here?  Pull the plug.  The best thing for the siblings \ rest of the family is for the show to go away anyways.

Edited AGAIN - folks here of course aren't giving TLC a pass.  I mean out in the wilds of the internet.  We are good people here and know better.

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NoThyme

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13 minutes ago, Xena said:

 

Edited to add - too many people are giving TLC a pass on this because Josh is no longer on the show.  As others have said but I will say again - TLC IS FUNDING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING FOR JOSHUA DUGGAR'S DEFENSE.  I wish no ill will to the siblings, but TLC allowed the parents back on the current show - can we not have a little biblical you reap what you sow lesson here?  Pull the plug.  The best thing for the siblings \ rest of the family is for the show to go 

TLC is counting on a ratings boost from all of this. People will tune in to see how everyone acts, who is in the show etc. I haven't watched the show except for the Megyn interview and a few minutes here and there. I have done some reading about Gothard and their family as well as this board. I find their entire religion to be one very sick cult and the ratings is what keeps them on TV. If you are truly disgusted by Josh and the family you shouldn't watch the show anymore, no more ratings. 

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7 hours ago, Tigregirl said:

I would love to know what Boob and Mullet are telling the Lost Girls and Howlers still living at home about why Smuggar is in trouble.  I’m sure it’s very warped and all about satan leading Josh astray but they’ll all pray he finds Jesus again. 

meanwhile Jana is repurposing Justin's banner.....

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Tuxcat

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16 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

Did Anna know what Josh was being investigated for when she got pregnant with baby #7??

Chances are she knew nothing. Josh knew. JB knew almost certainly. Beyond that, it's highly doubtful that anyone knew any specifics. And Anna doesn't necessarily choose to get pregnant either. I also doubt she knows the specifics now.

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Mod Announcement:

 

I understand the thread is moving very quickly as information becomes available, I am also aware that this topic can bring up strong emotions- however off topic posts belong in the Small Talk thread. If you wish to share an anecdotal story that is not primarily about Josh/Anna & the Duggars, please quote the poster you are replying to and state "taking my reply to small talk (or another appropriate thread)".

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3 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

As a headship, he's supposed to financially support his family. I don't know what kind of diligent work (® Anna) he's been doing since the car lot was shut down.

He's been diligently looking for ways to scratch his CP itch, and, most likely, in a pinch, any porn will do. More than likely also diligently continuing to seek alternative female companionship on the sly. The last thing he's interested in is supporting his family, and probably the only job he could get at this point would be as an "actor" in adult films. A real credit to his family....Diligent worker all right! 

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14 hours ago, mynextmistake said:

I think the purpose of the receiving law is to be able to punish people who gather these images and send them along to others, but don’t actually keep them on their computers? It’s probably harder to make a case for possession if something is only in your custody for a very short time and then you delete it? 

Possession is having it on your computer.  Receiving means they can show you possessed it (aka via email, file share, direct download).  That's how my AUSA explained it to me.  Possession is one thing, showing that you were actively seeking it out is another.  I can tell you that feds always want receiving over mere possession. 

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58 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

That banner isn’t real, right? Please?

not real - I just did a quick adjustment to the one that said Justin and had his picture. I don't think we ever found out why they had a banner about praying for justin. It was pictured when he had his wisdom teeth out. Claire stated it was not made for that event, but for something before that.

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Hpmec

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1 hour ago, NoThyme said:

TLC is counting on a ratings boost from all of this. People will tune in to see how everyone acts, who is in the show etc. I haven't watched the show except for the Megyn interview and a few minutes here and there. I have done some reading about Gothard and their family as well as this board. I find their entire religion to be one very sick cult and the ratings is what keeps them on TV. If you are truly disgusted by Josh and the family you shouldn't watch the show anymore, no more ratings. 

The only people who count ratings wise are those the Nielsen company monitors. I have personal experience with this. Nielsen selects tv viewing families (one family per 1500 households approximately) and puts a box on their tv to monitor what they watch. Families who sign up receive small checks every few months and keep the box for two years. Most people couldn't be bothered. A Nielsen rep told me 95% of households approached for this turn them down. So a select group of Americans are the only ones determining ratings that end up affecting what everyone watches on commercial tv. So just hope that current Nielsen families have no interest in the Duggars. That's how Counting On will be cancelled. 

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13 hours ago, doodlebug said:

Just bringing this forward from December for those who want to see some of the windowless warehouse where Anna and the kids live.

It looks okay as far as amenities and cleanliness/tidiness in the pictures.  Of course that's only within the narrow boundaries of photographs.   Wide view would reveal the lack of windows detail which would be a big nope for anybody with options.   

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6 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

Possession is having it on your computer.  Receiving means they can show you possessed it (aka via email, file share, direct download).  That's how my AUSA explained it to me.  Possession is one thing, showing that you were actively seeking it out is another.  I can tell you that feds always want receiving over mere possession. 

I would assume they want receiving over possession because it appears that receiving has a minimum sentence requirement while possession does not. Also I would imagine it’s harder for the suspect to claim it isn’t theirs if they can show how it got onto the computer/phone etc. 

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Just now, winsomeone said:

Won't Josh be able to spend as many hours per day as he wants at the shed on his car lot, "working?" He has full internet access there. Plus Anna and the children can spend the days there too as he has unlimited access to them?

that car lot is permanently closed. He can't work for Jed at the other lot either because Jed would have a computer and internet access

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12 minutes ago, Hpmec said:

The only people who count ratings wise are those the Nielsen company monitors. I have personal experience with this. Nielsen selects tv viewing families (one family per 1500 households approximately) and puts a box on their tv to monitor what they watch. Families who sign up receive small checks every few months and keep the box for two years. Most people couldn't be bothered. A Nielsen rep told me 95% of households approached for this turn them down. So a select group of Americans are the only ones determining ratings that end up affecting what everyone watches on commercial tv. So just hope that current Nielsen families have no interest in the Duggars. That's how Counting On will be cancelled. 

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I don’t think this has been mentioned yet, but this thread has been moving so fast I may have missed it or have some details wrong. 


There was mention of a MacBook found in Josh’s car that did not have any questionable materials on it, and discussion about the fact that the Mac software does not lend itself to the same procedures he performed on the pc in the office.

But, isn’t it possible he downloaded some of his favorite files on to thumb drives and stashed them somewhere for easy access when he was not at work?  I know the feds did a search but thumb drives are small and easy to hide.  I could totally see that happening.  

 

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4 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

I don’t think this has been mentioned yet, but this thread has been moving so fast I may have missed it or have some details wrong. 


There was mention of a MacBook found in Josh’s car that did not have any questionable materials on it, and discussion about the fact that the Mac software does not lend itself to the same procedures he performed on the pc in the office.

But, isn’t it possible he downloaded some of his favorite files on to thumb drives and stashed them somewhere for easy access when he was not at work?  I know the feds did a search but thumb drives are small and easy to hide.  I could totally see that happening.  

 

Thinking forensics could see if he exported files onto portable drives maybe? The MacBook wasn't partitioned and didn't have images however they used the MacBook and the phone (there were linked to each other)  to tie his location (text messages et cetera)  to the timing of the downloads on the HP.  

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Tuxcat

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15 minutes ago, Namaste said:

I have a question. If there were no minor children living in Josh/Anna’s home, would he have been allowed to go back home upon release or would he still have been forced to live with  3rd party custodian?  Thx. 

Not sure. Probably if his home was not on the property where there are minors.

Interestingly the actual court order does not specify that Anna must be present when he's with his children. It says he must be "supervised" but doesn't say by whom.

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BitterApple

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54 minutes ago, Namaste said:

I have a question. If there were no minor children living in Josh/Anna’s home, would he have been allowed to go back home upon release or would he still have been forced to live with  3rd party custodian?  Thx. 

I don't think so because the warehouse is on TTH property and there's still swarms of minors everywhere.

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I know around here there’s a rule that sex offenders can’t live within so many feet of a school/playground/day care, etc. I wonder if the compound would be considered in a similar way just because of how many minors are on it? 
 

i absolutely think Anna has been brainwashed for years, and I know what it’s like to be an abused wife, so I do have some sympathy.

That said, both my grandmother and I got out when our then- spouses went after our kid. If Anna won’t get out, having seen that Josh doesn’t have the familial boundaries that some molesters seem to have, I would think she’s incapable of protecting them, and would hope the children would be placed with someone else. Not JB and Michelle, since they’re clearly incapable of protecting their kids, but maybe Jill, JD, etc

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30 minutes ago, Monkeyrocks said:

I would think she’s incapable of protecting them, and would hope the children would be placed with someone else. Not JB and Michelle, since they’re clearly incapable of protecting their kids, but maybe Jill, JD, etc

I hope Jill is never considered to take on such a task.  Jill would be helping Josh if she takes care of his kids.  Why should she upend her life for him?  There are lots of other Duggars who are not Josh's victims.  Let them do it.

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1 minute ago, Gemma Violet said:

I hope Jill is never considered to take on such a task.  Jill would be helping Josh if she takes care of his kids.  Why should she upend her life for him?  There are lots of other Duggars that are not Josh's victims.  Let them do it.

Let Anna's family do it..... they sold her to him to begin with. 

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emmawoodhouse

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2 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

Not sure. Probably if his home was not on the property where there are minors.

Interestingly the actual court order does not specify that Anna must be present when he's with his children. It says he must be "supervised" but doesn't say by whom.

It will be Anna. Who else would pile up all her kids and make the drive out to the Rebers' place? Certainly not Mechelle. I doubt Jana wants anything to do with him. Who else is there?

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Tuxcat

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1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

It will be Anna. Who else would pile up all her kids and make the drive out to the Rebers' place? Certainly not Mechelle. I doubt Jana wants anything to do with him. Who else is there?

Unfortunately I could see Jana wanting to go to protect the kids. And then there's always the chance that JB just drops them at the steps of poor Mrs. Reber and asks her to "supervise." 

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emmawoodhouse

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Just now, Tuxcat said:

Unfortunately I could see Jana wanting to go to protect the kids. And then there's always the chance that JB just drops them at the steps of poor Mrs. Reber and asks her to "supervise." 

@Zella, I know you have looked up the Reber property. How far are they from the TTH? I ask because I don't think that they're in a "drop off" distance. But I've been wrong before. 😁

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Zella

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10 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

@Zella, I know you have looked up the Reber property. How far are they from the TTH? I ask because I don't think that they're in a "drop off" distance. But I've been wrong before. 😁

If the house is actually in the Goshen area like I suspect based on the property records and voter registration, it wouldn't be convenient at all. It would be a good 30 minutes away, and it wouldn't be on the way to anything. You have to drive out of Tontitown and then into Springdale and Fayetteville and then actually leave Fayetteville. Goshen is more convenient to Fayetteville than Springdale/Tontitown is. 

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