Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[BitterApple]

Just now, crazy8s said:

also the have no internet except

"We don’t have internet-internet, our internet is in our phone, it’s like a hotspot. There’s no wifi.

Lol, so in other words, they have internet.

[Pingaponga]

8 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

AUSA asks “Can you tell me what you know about the allegations?” Reaver pauses, is silent, and then says “Give me a minute.” Story objects, judge overrules.

“I don’t fully know everything but from my understanding there was some, uh, when he was younger, I’m not sure how old, maybe a teenager, that there was inappropriate touching of some of the minors.”

Was not aware that one of the minors was 5-years-old

Um, isn't this what happened when he was a teenager? These aren't the charges he is currently facing. From stuff he did two years ago.

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, crazy8s said:

also the have no internet except

"We don’t have internet-internet, our internet is in our phone, it’s like a hotspot. There’s no wifi.

And our password is our birthdates. 

[emmawoodhouse]

7 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

If social media counts as public, Jill, Jessa, and Jinger.

Joy made a post earlier today. But it was not about the case. 

Edited May 5, 2021 by emmawoodhouse

[Arkay]

My cousin is a Federal agent and my brother-in-law is a NYPD captain. They have guns, and that’s the extent of my knowledge of any firearms that have been in my vicinity.

I do understand  that in other regions of the country, legal guns are more common. Therefore I don’t know what to say about the Reavers having guns in a closet, but it certainly seems like if Josh spins out he can harm them or himself. Just lock him up, Judge. Please. 

[MrsClaus]

So none of his brothers have made any comments?  I find that interesting.

[Minivanessa]

I wonder how many of his fundie "friends" JB asked to house Josh before he finally got a "yes" answer from this Lacount Reaver guy. 

[crazy8s]

from reddit closing arguments happening now

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, Pingaponga said:

Um, isn't this what happened when he was a teenager? These aren't the charges he is currently facing. From stuff he did two years ago.

Judge overruled, allowing that line of questions.

[Oldernowiser]

1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Judge overruled, allowing that line of questions.

Good.

[Snow Fairy]

Do they still think Jesus can save him?

Do they feel sorry for those molested kids? They did not want to be involved in something like that. Even if they said the devil made someone to that to those kids, the kids are sill innocent

How can they justify it even with Gothard belief system 

18month old child. How?

[crazy8s]

6 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Judge overruled, allowing that line of questions.

danger to the community was the reason for the overrule I think it was said on allowing questions of past history and was mrs reaver aware

Edited May 5, 2021 by crazy8s

[peppergal]

26 minutes ago, Arkay said:

I'm baffled by so much of this. How can one individual be savvy enough to divide internet stuff so that it’s hidden from someone who is supposed to be overseeing him, and yet use his birth year as a password? On not just his disgusting stuff but his bank accounts? 

 

Sadly, there are probably detailed instructions and even bootable cd-rom or usb key images to help set this kind of stuff up if you know what part of the internet underbelly to look in. 

I used to work in a part of IT that would automatically set up hard drives and applications.  It wasn't hard to create a bootable CD that you put in your machine and it re-partitioned things, installed the second OS, and installed/configured the needed software.  What I was doing was automating the manufacturing process so that when XYZ grocery stores bought new servers, they were pre-installed with their software/accounts/networking preferences/etc, but the same methodology could be used to provide a pre-packaged "set up my computer to do bad things" kit that wouldn't require the end user to actually understand much of the technology.

 

[BitterApple]

2 minutes ago, Arkay said:

My cousin is a Federal agent and my brother-in-law is a NYPD captain. They have guns, and that’s the extent of my knowledge of any firearms that have been in my vicinity.

I do understand  that in other regions of the country, legal guns are more common. Therefore I don’t know what to say about the Reavers having guns in a closet, but it certainly seems like if Josh spins out he can harm them or himself. Just lock him up, Judge. Please. 

Most gun owners I know have a dedicated safe or lockbox. My concern is if reality sets in and Josh realizes he's about to do time, he might have some sort of mental break. It's probably not a good idea for him to be housed in close proximity to nine weapons. 

[Gigi43]

This Mrs. Reavers doesn't seem to know what the fuck her husband agreed to do for JB. I feel bad for her, and I'm only getting the descriptions of what's going on. Is it possible she thinks porn itself is illegal or something and that's why they were there? Or am I giving her too much leeway? At least she's showing discomfort at the idea of having him at the house.

 

I'm really glad the judge is allowing his past to be brought up. This man has been doing shit since 2002, it's not reasonable to think he can be stopped by the people around him.

 

Where are these references to an 18 month old coming from? 

[libgirl2]

Just now, BitterApple said:

Most gun owners I know have a dedicated safe or lockbox. My concern is if reality sets in and Josh realizes he's about to do time, he might have some sort of mental break. It's probably not a good idea for him to be housed in close proximity to nine weapons. 

that is what I was thinking. I could imagine some stand off with the wife a hostage. 

[Tikichick]

Just now, BitterApple said:

Most gun owners I know have a dedicated safe or lockbox. My concern is if reality sets in and Josh realizes he's about to do time, he might have some sort of mental break. It's probably not a good idea for him to be housed in close proximity to nine weapons. 

You mean out of sight in a bedroom closet doesn't cut it?

[BitterApple]

Just now, Tikichick said:

You mean out of sight in a bedroom closet doesn't cut it?

Well, maybe if they buried the guns under two piles of clothes rather than one....

[MargeGunderson]

1 minute ago, Gigi43 said:

This Mrs. Reavers doesn't seem to know what the fuck her husband agreed to do for JB. I feel bad for her, and I'm only getting the descriptions of what's going on. Is it possible she thinks porn itself is illegal or something and that's why they were there? Or am I giving her too much leeway? At least she's showing discomfort at the idea of having him at the house.

 

I'm really glad the judge is allowing his past to be brought up. This man has been doing shit since 2002, it's not reasonable to think he can be stopped by the people around him.

 

Where are these references to an 18 month old coming from? 

I think she is obeying her headship, but giving as many signs that she is not on board with this without directly contradicting her husband. I hope the judge picks up on that.

[IndianPaintbrush]

It sounds like Mr. Reavers provides ministry to convicts and people in jail. Nothing wrong with that except when one of them shacks up in your house.

[mittsigirl]

6 hours ago, Oldernowiser said:

May I just say we have some super smart people on this board?

And some very funny ones too, to break all of this tension!

[NotthebadVictoria]

2 minutes ago, Tikichick said:

You mean out of sight in a bedroom closet doesn't cut it?

The bedroom would have a lock! Like the kind you can undo with a thumbnail in half a second 🙄🤦🏻‍♀️.

 

 

[GeeGolly]

Sorry to keep making jokes. Its one of the ways I deal with stress.

I'm guessing Mrs Reaver has lost s few piano students in the last hour.

[beckie]

10 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Joy made a post earlier today. But it was not about the case. 

Does anyone think its possible that Joy doesn't know yet? 

[Lady Whistleup]

Just now, GeeGolly said:

Sorry to keep making jokes. Its one of the ways I deal with stress.

I'm guessing Mrs Reaver has lost s few piano students in the last hour.

Omg. LOL. Funniest post of the day.

[Pingaponga]

22 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

“I’m looking at is as we are here to be as help, to the family, to Josh and Anna. To minister to them.

Josh does not need anyone else "ministering" to him. He needs to be stopped.

[PrincessPurrsALot]

21 minutes ago, Tikichick said:

I'm no longer wondering why Josiah and Lauren disappeared from SM.   They've been through it, I have no doubt.   Jinger and Jeremy's wildly gyrating changes of direction are no longer mysterious either.   Can't even snark on Jeremy's pomposity.   This has hit them hard too.   None of them deserve this.  

None of the other Duggar kids deserve this.  Jim Boob and Mechelle do.  

[BitterApple]

3 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

that is what I was thinking. I could imagine some stand off with the wife a hostage. 

That was my first thought as well. I could see Josh going out by "suicide by cop" rather than spend years in prison as a pedophile. It sounds crazy, but you never know what a caged animal will do when cornered. 

[Tikichick]

2 minutes ago, Gigi43 said:

I'm really glad the judge is allowing his past to be brought up. This man has been doing shit since 2002, it's not reasonable to think he can be stopped by the people around him.

 

Where are these references to an 18 month old coming from? 

If I wasn't so disturbed by some of the details I would have to giggle at why it is possible that his past can be brought up.   The cover up and then subsequent exposure and the decision by the family to explain it away publicly took away the protection Josh facing the music in juvenile court would have afforded him now.

So the original plan of action on his earliest predation means it can be used against him in his bid for bond, and his very diligent efforts to conceal his activities from authorities and those around him all will be significant factors against granting bail.   Father and son, foisted on their own petards.   

[JoanArc]

4 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Sorry to keep making jokes. Its one of the ways I deal with stress.

I'm guessing Mrs Reaver has lost s few piano students in the last hour.

I had much the same thought.

The Duggar name is basically poison at this point. Just kill her so already, TLC.

[Gigi43]

The pre-Anna girl who didn't marry Josh must be so fucking relieved it fell apart. 

[LexieLily]

I wonder if anyone besides Jill is on the Zoom to get firsthand account of what the charges are and what actually happens, to have proof of what the truth is when/if JB and Michelle tell the other kids and spouses a redacted/untrue version of events.

[Oldernowiser]

I am so OVER this Fundie Doublespeak bullshit. “We want to be a ministry to them” = “JB will pay us. “

FFS.

Edited May 5, 2021 by Oldernowiser

[Lady Whistleup]

Why would Mr. Reaver agree to this? Serious question here. If anyone was like "hey my 33 year old son just got arrested for CP but would you mind him being released into your house on bond?" I'd be like "Uh ... don't think so ... have to facetime my gerbil so must go ..."

[crazy8s]

from the reddit recap =closing prosecution arguments it would seem the "family members" and the sleeze bag felon are not a possibility

"Timeline in Exhibits 3 and 4 demonstrate that Josh was the one using the computer in May to download CP and throughout the day texting his family and using the computer for other uses"

Edited May 5, 2021 by crazy8s

[BitterApple]

4 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

I wonder if anyone besides Jill is on the Zoom to get firsthand account of what the charges are and what actually happens, to have proof of what the truth is when/if JB and Michelle tell the other kids and spouses a redacted/untrue version of events.

Some of the testimony is very graphic. Excluding the victims, I'm hoping at least one Duggar (not just Jill) listened in. The family needs to know what a monster Josh really is, rather than form opinions based on Boob's sugar-spun version of events.

Edited May 5, 2021 by BitterApple

[auntieminem]

2 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Some of the testimony is very graphic. Aside from the victims, I'm hoping at least one Duggar (aside from Jill) listened in. The family needs to know what a monster Josh really is, rather than form opinions based on Boob's sugar-spun version of events.

The reddit account says that there is a John on the zoom but no last name so maybe JD or not. Also Lauren S (using her maiden name)?   

 

Edited May 5, 2021 by auntieminem

[Pingaponga]

1 minute ago, BitterApple said:

Aside from the victims, I'm hoping at least one Duggar (aside from Jill) listened in. The family needs to know what a monster Josh really is, rather than form opinions based on Boob's sugar-spun version of events.

Is there any indication JB and/or Michelle are listening in? If the details are graphic, maybe they need to hear them as well to fully appreciate what their son has done.

[Gigi43]

Has Josiah been brought up? He was on the zoom last week and was working at the car lot at the time. Also he's been MIA from the public so there was speculation he was heavily questioned? 

[libgirl2]

1 minute ago, BitterApple said:

Some of the testimony is very graphic. Excluding the victims, I'm hoping at least one Duggar (not just Jill) listened in. The family needs to know what a monster Josh really is, rather than form opinions based on Boob's sugar-spun version of events.

That is why I am hoping it is JD. 

[LexieLily]

2 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Some of the testimony is very graphic. Aside from the victims, I'm hoping at least one Duggar (aside from Jill) listened in. The family needs to know what a monster Josh really is, rather than form opinions based on Boob's sugar-spun version of events.

If the Duggars won't or can't, I hope one of the spouses does. 

[CouchTater]

Did the Duggars ever provide an explanation for they Josh's car lot was closed down?  Did Josh and Co. move to the warehouse after the raid/closed car lot?

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

The picture I posted had two. 😁

Me, most days:

[CSunshine76]

How does Jim Bob continue to support this pervert and not just completely disown him? JB, YOU have some culpability here.  This is a prime example of why you address this type of behavior immediately. You don’t send the kid to dig ponds and talk to “the church”.  It’s so disgusting to think this is what came out of their big secret.

Rot in jail pervert.

[BitterApple]

1 minute ago, libgirl2 said:

That is why I am hoping it is JD. 

Me too. He already hates Josh and could probably handle it better than the others.

[3 is enough]

Almost 6 pm in Arkansas.  How late will they allow this to go?  And if they don't finish will it even be possible to continue tomorrow, or are all the slots full?

[Tikichick]

4 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Some of the testimony is very graphic. Excluding the victims, I'm hoping at least one Duggar (not just Jill) listened in. The family needs to know what a monster Josh really is, rather than form opinions based on Boob's sugar-spun version of events.

Some of the siblings who didn't observe might also have the privilege of having everything explained to them in Michelle's breathy tones if they're lucky, or not. 

[Oldernowiser]

I’m not a Jill fan but I keep thinking about how she’s only allowed at the TTH by invitation but this POS has the run of the place???

[Tuxcat]

The closing argument worries me:

"Not a danger to the community. If law enforcement thought that he was a danger they could’ve detained him back in 2019, but they didn’t."

For this bond hearing, the defense has to prove he's not a danger to the community and this point they made is striking to me.

Of course They also have to prove he's not a flight risk. That one I hope is harder. He did do a lot to conceal his activities - no reason he wouldn't do more to conceal his departure. 

[LexieLily]

1 minute ago, BitterApple said:

Me too. He already hates Josh and could probably handle it better than the others.

He is married to one of the more "worldly" wives, so he and Abbie might be able to have a semi-legit conversation about it and the implications. How old is their daughter?