Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Salacious Kitty]

8 minutes ago, DXD526 said:

I wonder if Pest will make an appearance?

https://whatsondisneyplus.com/the-ashley-madison-project-hulu-release-date-announced/

I bet he gets a mention. He was one of the biggest names outed. 

[AstridM]

19 minutes ago, DXD526 said:

I wonder if Pest will make an appearance?

https://whatsondisneyplus.com/the-ashley-madison-project-hulu-release-date-announced/

I saw that. FU Anna. 

[TigerLily20]

I saw a commercial for the Ashley Madison documentary and Josh's face was one of the ones they focused on as to being outed, I am sure he will get mentioned

[sixlets]

It's just a Yahoo article, but I wonder if there's any truth to the JB-sitting-in-Anna's-row thing.  

[Iguessnot]

2 hours ago, sixlets said:

It's just a Yahoo article, but I wonder if there's any truth to the JB-sitting-in-Anna's-row thing.  

Reads like a typical Yahoo article of no journalistic quality and dredging up gossip from social media. I don't remember many details about the trial, but what family members of Anna showed up? And at the time of the trial, why would Anna be giving JB the cold shoulder? He was paying for the defense and providing a home for her and her kids at a chaotic time. 

I'm not speculating on anything else in the article, but those tidbits about the trial seem suspect.

[Zella]

I'm not so sure about that rumor either, but regarding her family attending the trial. Didn't her uncle attend? If I'm not mistaken, he was the mystery man nicknamed Santa Claus. 

Edited July 7, 2023 by Zella

[ginger90]

David Waller was there at some point. Perhaps at sentencing?

[Zella]

4 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

David Waller was there at some point. Perhaps at sentencing?

Yes you're right! He did pop up. Wasn't he there when Hilaria was there? He may also have made separate appearances on his own. 

[Salacious Kitty]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

David Waller was there at some point. Perhaps at sentencing?

David was there a few days. I remember him helping the defense haul out boxes. 

[Albanyguy]

17 hours ago, Iguessnot said:

And at the time of the trial, why would Anna be giving JB the cold shoulder? He was paying for the defense and providing a home for her and her kids at a chaotic time. 

And at that point, Anna was still smugly convinced that Josh-u-a would be vindicated and walk out a free man. She had no reason to be upset with Jim Bob or anyone else. She was far more interested in smirking for the cameras outside the courtroom.

[Gemma Violet]

On 6/30/2023 at 7:36 PM, TigerLily20 said:

I saw a commercial for the Ashley Madison documentary and Josh's face was one of the ones they focused on as to being outed, I am sure he will get mentioned

Just a reminder that it starts today on Hulu.  There are three episodes.  I'm about halfway through the first episode.  No Josh yet.

[Laura Holt]

19 hours ago, Iguessnot said:

And at the time of the trial, why would Anna be giving JB the cold shoulder? He was paying for the defense and providing a home for her and her kids at a chaotic time. 

I don't know how true it would have been about her and JB being on the outs but IIRC there was comment at the time that Anna seemed to be sitting alone during at least some parts of the trial.  I think the husband of one of the Duggar girls sat beside her at some point.  But not JB - this may have been because he was too busy trying to run the show and tell the judge what was supposed to happen.

[CalicoKitty]

42 minutes ago, Gemma Violet said:

Just a reminder that it starts today on Hulu.  There are three episodes.  I'm about halfway through the first episode.  No Josh yet.

Josh is spoken about in about the middle of the second episode.  Full screen facial picture, and a picture with Michelle.  They point out that he was working for an organization that preaches home and family, mentions that he was accused of molesting 5 girls, and is in prison.  Maybe 2 or 3 minutes total.

[ginger90]

40 minutes ago, Laura Holt said:

think the husband of one of the Duggar girls sat beside her at some point. 

Derick did.

[GeeGolly]

IIRC, the seating in the small courtroom was first come, first served. I doubt JB arrived early enough to sit in the front row every time.

There are way too many reasons for Anna and JB to remain on good terms - for both of them. Would I be surprised if JB bought a house in TX for Anna to live in, nope. Nor would I be surprised if Anna was hanging out in TX with her sister and/or the Spiveys. But I doubt she is on the outs with JB.

[satrunrose]

If Anna is fighting with JB, I think it's likely one of 2 possibilities,

1- JB realizes that if he's going to be the father of a Golden Boy, he's going to have to lie low and cut off public support for FF. Everything the Duggars do, especially since the trial and the doc, is being seen through the lens of "The family that raised the perv" which means Jed! will be in the used car business forever unless JB can somehow change the narrative (I doubt he can since Jed! is such a little twerp, but that's another story). If Anna is one of the last True Believers in Josh-u-a's persecution, that would royally piss her off.

2- The opposite, Anna has finally realized what life is like as a single mom (the horror!) with a large family. She wants to cut ties but JB won't let her. 

With everything we've heard, I'd say 1 is more likely than 2. I also agree with Gee Golly, though, getting Anna out of the TTH and off to Texas is probably an option that works well for Anna and JB.

[Scarlett45]

20 hours ago, satrunrose said:

If Anna is fighting with JB, I think it's likely one of 2 possibilities,

1- JB realizes that if he's going to be the father of a Golden Boy, he's going to have to lie low and cut off public support for FF. Everything the Duggars do, especially since the trial and the doc, is being seen through the lens of "The family that raised the perv" which means Jed! will be in the used car business forever unless JB can somehow change the narrative (I doubt he can since Jed! is such a little twerp, but that's another story). If Anna is one of the last True Believers in Josh-u-a's persecution, that would royally piss her off.

2- The opposite, Anna has finally realized what life is like as a single mom (the horror!) with a large family. She wants to cut ties but JB won't let her. 

With everything we've heard, I'd say 1 is more likely than 2. I also agree with Gee Golly, though, getting Anna out of the TTH and off to Texas is probably an option that works well for Anna and JB.

I don’t think (2) is likely (the rest of your post is spot on). Cutting ties as a single mom would just make Anna’s life harder. I think if Anna was done with Josh, so long as she didn’t spout that publicly from the rooftops, JB/Michelle wouldn’t care. Having Anna at the TTH isn’t costing JB more than sending her to TX would. (It’s cheaper)

I think it’s likely JB just wants Anna out of his hair about Josh or the case etc. if Anna wants to go visit him/call/put money on his books I don’t think that annoys JB, but he wants her to quit talking about it. JB is done paying for lawyers. Any money sent to Josh will have to come out of Anna’s pocket money. 

[Minivanessa]

I've been online much more than necessary the last few days. Hobbled by a sore knee, I've been sitting around a lot (today the knee's much happier, thank goodness). 

Somewhere in all my browsing - reddit? - I saw a great new alternative name for FF: "J'inmate."

Apologies if it's been used here already, but I don't remember seeing it before and I follow this topic pretty closely.

[Stevie Nicks]

23 hours ago, satrunrose said:

 

With everything we've heard, I'd say 1 is more likely than 2. I also agree with Gee Golly, though, getting Anna out of the TTH and off to Texas is probably an option that works well for Anna and JB.

Would Anna be allowed to go and live in Texas alone with no accountability partner? Or is it okay because she's married? 

[Gemma Violet]

6 minutes ago, Stevie Nicks said:

Would Anna be allowed to go and live in Texas alone with no accountability partner? Or is it okay because she's married? 

I guess her oldest child would be her accountability partner.  I remember when the older sisters went somewhere on their courting dates, one of the younger siblings would go along.

[CalicoKitty]

Anna's headship would probably be transferred to Pecan Thief.  He would definitely keep both eyes on her.  She would never be left to her own devises.  And I doubt Anna would know how to live without a man telling what she can and can't do.

Just like Not Nurie--she has been under BME's thumb forever, and has never been allowed to make important decisions on her own.  Any ability to run her own live has been squelched from birth.  Sadly, she needs her mom there to run the show.  Also sadly, Not Nurie's husband seems incapable of standing up to Jill.  That is one very sad situation.

[Heathen]

59 minutes ago, Stevie Nicks said:

Would Anna be allowed to go and live in Texas alone with no accountability partner? Or is it okay because she's married? 

My guess is that Anna's parents and in-laws wouldn't approve, but if she wanted to live alone with no warden accountability partner, they couldn't do anything about it because she's a married adult. Since it's Ofsmuggar and hell would freeze over before she was independent, my guess is that her brother-in-law would keep watch over her, or one of the younger Duggars would be sent to live with her as a servant companion. 

[BetyBee]

2 hours ago, Stevie Nicks said:

Would Anna be allowed to go and live in Texas alone with no accountability partner? Or is it okay because she's married? 

It's too bad Gothard didn't cover who becomes headship during the time when one's headship is in Federal prison for possession of CSAM. You would think a perv like Gothard would have a contingency umbrella plan for such circumstances, a contingency plan that would make it clear that everything is the wife's fault!

[farmgal4]

On 6/30/2023 at 1:24 PM, auntieminem said:

When she was telling her story about Gothard and the male assistant who witnessed Gothard groom her, my first thought it was David Waller.  Now people are adding this to comments on the church's FB page.  The comments are on non-related reels.  Hillary had better get on this. 

What’s the name and location of the church?  I want to read the comments.  David Waller may be without a job soon.

[Salacious Kitty]

Fairpark Baptist Church in Fort Worth, TX. 

[AstridM]

1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Fairpark Baptist Church in Fort Worth, TX. 

Not to be confused with this guy, yikes.  Not too far from him though. 
 

Round Rock pastor pleads guilty to child sexual abuse material charge

David Lloyd Walter, 57, of Georgetownpled guilty June 27 to an enhanced charge of possession of child pornography.

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/round-rock-pastor-child-pornography-charge-guilty-plea-david-walther.amp

 

 

[farmgal4]

4 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Fairpark Baptist Church in Fort Worth, TX. 

Thank you.  I scrolled through a little bit of the church’s Facebook page and with the exception of one of the newer posts, all negative comments have been deleted.  David Waller is a cowardly asswipe.

[Salacious Kitty]

6 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

Thank you.  I scrolled through a little bit of the church’s Facebook page and with the exception of one of the newer posts, all negative comments have been deleted.  David Waller is a cowardly asswipe.

We knew that. 😃 

He announced last week that they would no longer be live streaming their sermons. They would be put on ice for peer review and possible editing before hitting the You Tube page. 

Edited July 10, 2023 by Salacious Kitty

[awaken]

8 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

We knew that. 😃 

He announced last week that they would no longer be live streaming their sermons. They would be put on ice for peer review and possible editing before hitting the You Tube page. 

Ha, imagine the barrage of comments if they live-streamed after this current mess!

[Minivanessa]

20 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

We knew that. 😃 

He announced last week that they would no longer be live streaming their sermons. They would be put on ice for peer review and possible editing before hitting the You Tube page. 

Yes. Pa Keller got a little too frank in a public setting, in saying what they all really believe. It's one thing to preach it to the congregation in the church, quite another to put it out on the innernetz for the world to see. 

David W's an asswipe, but canny enough after years at IBLP, to know you need to curate the content that the outside world will see.

For example, you don't hit people with the Pearls' book about beating babies when you're trying to recruit them into ATI; you talk about children obeying their parents, seduce them with the idea that God's umbrella of authority can protect their family, and promise that there's a homeschooling curriculum that will not only protect their kids but set them up for success. The "man is the authority" and blanket training deets are revealed after the suckers are signed up.

ETA: Of course I don't know for sure that ATI soft-pedaled the Pearls' book, but it seems a harsh thing to throw at people when you're not sure they've bought into the cult doctrines yet. I've read and listened to ex-IBLP people and some of them say their parents weren't much into the corporal punishment although they were in IBLP. That makes me feel a little better about humanity, TBH. 

Edited July 10, 2023 by Jeeves

[mimionthebeach]

On 7/9/2023 at 10:02 PM, farmgal4 said:

Thank you.  I scrolled through a little bit of the church’s Facebook page and with the exception of one of the newer posts, all negative comments have been deleted.  David Waller is a cowardly asswipe.

I'm not a David Waller fan by any stretch, but, in all seriousness, what would you have him do? It's his workplace page. 

Edited July 11, 2023 by mimionthebeach

[AstridM]

1 hour ago, mimionthebeach said:

I'm not a David Waller fan by any stretch, but, in all seriousness, what would you have him do? It's his workplace page. 

Let the truth stand?

[merylinkid]

4 hours ago, mimionthebeach said:

I'm not a David Waller fan by any stretch, but, in all seriousness, what would you have him do? It's his workplace page. 

Don't be a bigoted arse if you don't want people calling you a bigoted arse on your workplace page?

[MaryAnneSpier]

On 7/9/2023 at 1:06 PM, Heathen said:

My guess is that Anna's parents and in-laws wouldn't approve, but if she wanted to live alone with no warden accountability partner, they couldn't do anything about it because she's a married adult. Since it's Ofsmuggar and hell would freeze over before she was independent, my guess is that her brother-in-law would keep watch over her, or one of the younger Duggars would be sent to live with her as a servant companion. 

If they really follow the Bible, I would think all responsibility for Anna and her offspring with Josh would fall under Jim Bob Duggar.  Anna took the Duggar name when she married into the family.  She left hers to cleave to her husband’s.

[Quilt Fairy]

I thought J'felon (J'inmate?) did not want her to leave the compound and move to Texas. 

[GeeGolly]

Read an article today saying TX prisons are struggling with heat. Apparently the FF's prison is not fully air conditioned. One can hope the devil has built a fortress in the FF's cell.

[dariafan]

Shower thought from the other day .. no hear me out ….   Since j boob and kootie from sister wives are very similar( especially in fame ho ness ).   Anna “marries “ kootie.  Double polygamy !  Patriarchy gone insane   Dogs cats living together. Mass hysteria ( please get the reference 😂) 

[Natalie68]

18 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Read an article today saying TX prisons are struggling with heat. Apparently the FF's prison is not fully air conditioned. One can hope the devil has built a fortress in the FF's cell.

I think a good sweat would be just what the pest needs.  He probably smells like hot dogs and BO

On 7/9/2023 at 7:08 PM, Salacious Kitty said:

We knew that. 😃 

He announced last week that they would no longer be live streaming their sermons. They would be put on ice for peer review and possible editing before hitting the You Tube page. 

So the message is ok for the church but they don't want outsiders to know they are barely educated racists and homophobes.  Got it.  David, hiding the bad parts doesn't make it better!

[Gemma Violet]

2 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

I think a good sweat would be just what the pest needs.

The thing is, there are many employees who work there.  I worked for local government before I retired and when our jail facilities lost their A/C for a couple of weeks in August a while back, my cousin later told me he had no problem with them not having A/C, as it was their own fault they were there.  I said to him, "But what about all the employees who work there?"  He was sort of shocked, like he hadn't thought about that.  

Edited July 13, 2023 by Gemma Violet

[Natalie68]

9 minutes ago, Gemma Violet said:

The thing is, there are many employees who work there.  I work for local government and when our jail facilities lost their A/C for a couple of weeks in August a while back, my cousin later told me he had no problem with them not having A/C, as it was their own fault they were there.  I said to him, "But what about all the employees who work there?"  He was sort of shocked, like he hadn't thought about that.  

Well that is true.  

[oliviabenson]

Anna’s show on TLC can be called:

I still have a (jail bird) husband 

[sagittarius sue]

I came across this headline when I received my Washington Post email this morning.

"Judge blocks Ark. law banning librarians from giving minors ‘harmful’ books"

I wasn't surprised to see that the judge was Timothy Brooks, the judge in Josh's trial.  Good going, Judge Brooks!

[Zella]

5 hours ago, sagittarius sue said:

I came across this headline when I received my Washington Post email this morning.

"Judge blocks Ark. law banning librarians from giving minors ‘harmful’ books"

I wasn't surprised to see that the judge was Timothy Brooks, the judge in Josh's trial.  Good going, Judge Brooks!

My library has been following that case very closely (as have been all libraries in the state.) When I saw it went to Brooks, I was relieved and figured we were in the clear (for now) but didn't want to explain to any of my coworkers why I was so familiar with Brooks' record as a judge. "Because I spend a lot of time snarking on the Duggars online, I feel we are in good hands. He embarrassed Jim Bob Duggar publicly--he's all right in my book. Kthnxbye." 

Edited July 30, 2023 by Zella

[Minivanessa]

J'inmate has lost his appeal. http://media.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/23/08/222178P.pdf

I haven't even read it yet but couldn't wait to share the good news.

[ginger90]

“We accordingly affirm the judgment of the district court.”

👍

[merylinkid]

Oh hell nah, he dumber than we thought.    I never knew this little factoid:

"He then let it slip that he was “familiar with” file-sharing software and had installed it on “all of” his electronic devices, including “the computer in the office.”"

Dude ADMITTED he put file sharing software on the computer.   Then thought a "Must have been that felon I hired did it" defense would work.

[GeeGolly]

I guess this is "the rest of the story". Well at least until his day of release, 10ish years from now.

[Stevie Nicks]

Wonderful news for a Monday!! 

 

[Teriacky]

Anna is NOT going to be pleased. 

[Laura Holt]

I almost posted the other day to see if I'd missed hearing about the results of his appeal!  Totally agree @Stevie Nicks great start to the week!