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Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

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ginger90

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17 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I've heard the average is 8 weeks, but they have to find him a bed first. I wonder if he can go one place then be transferred to a more suitable prison (one with CSAM counseling) later on? Or will they just put him wherever and leave him there?

He could be transferred multiple times.

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Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

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12 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I've heard the average is 8 weeks, but they have to find him a bed first. I wonder if he can go one place then be transferred to a more suitable prison (one with CSAM counseling) later on? Or will they just put him wherever and leave him there?

Prisoners often get transferred, especially ones with longer sentences.  The CSAM counseling programs seem to be for prisoners nearing the end of their sentence, so he may not be sent to a prison with that program until he is nearing release-in a decade or so.

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GeeGolly

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11 minutes ago, Notabug said:

Prisoners often get transferred, especially ones with longer sentences.  The CSAM counseling programs seem to be for prisoners nearing the end of their sentence, so he may not be sent to a prison with that program until he is nearing release-in a decade or so.

Those words should be set to music. 

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andromeda331

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On 6/15/2022 at 5:11 AM, Albanyguy said:

I think what they really mean is that fame gave Jim Bob the freedom to be who he really was all along.

I agree. There's episode of Castle where Castle says having a lot of money magnifies who you are. That really seems to be the case with most people with a lot of money. Especially JB and Michelle. 

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emmawoodhouse

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2 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

I agree. There's episode of Castle where Castle says having a lot of money magnifies who you are. That really seems to be the case with most people with a lot of money. Especially JB and Michelle. 

I've heard this truism used with respect to lottery winners. But if the shoe fits...

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Scarlett45

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On 6/15/2022 at 6:11 AM, Albanyguy said:

I think what they really mean is that fame gave Jim Bob the freedom to be who he really was all along.

23 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

I agree. There's episode of Castle where Castle says having a lot of money magnifies who you are. That really seems to be the case with most people with a lot of money. Especially JB and Michelle. 

I agree with this. With money comes freedom, and less need to perform certain social rules because you have less need of the time/resources/labor of others. I 100% believe that additional funds allowed JB to be more true to himself. 

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Minivanessa

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1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I don't think Anna's Bestie is Josh.  He is still in the BOP limbo. I don't see how she can road trip to visit him.  He's either still in jail in Arkansas or in one of the BOP's holding facilities.  And I don't think prisoners can get family visits while in those facilities.  

I just checked the BOP inmate locator. He's still shown as 'not in BOP custody' there, and is still listed as being held at the Washington County Jail on the jail's website.

No road trip involved, assuming she can even visit him in person in the local jail. They seem to be doing online-only visitations; it was hard to be sure without getting a "jailatm" account and trying to schedule a visit or maybe calling the jail to clarify. My interest in the subject doesn't go that far. 🤣

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Tikichick

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1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Could it be possible that the FF has been moved and just not updated in the system yet?

Anna's post feels very excited. If she is visiting Josh, what a wonderful memory she'll have - Dear Diary, how wonderful my first in person prison visit with Joshua fell on my 34th birthday!

I know it's not possible for someone like him, but if her post is about visiting him and if she truly feels blessed in any way at all to see him, especially on her birthday, some part of his heart and soul should feel burning pain knowing she loves him and believes in him. 

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I know it's not possible for someone like him, but if her post is about visiting him and if she truly feels blessed in any way at all to see him, especially on her birthday, some part of his heart and soul should feel burning pain knowing she loves him and believes in him. 

I don't know how else you would interpret Anna's post other than she is visiting Josh in jail. And yes, Josh should feel deep shame that he has put such a loyal woman through this hell, and continues to lie to her and claim innocence. But he doesn't feel shame, because he is an asshole who only cares about himself, and apparently that widow he bought the Pepto Bismal for. And Anna is turning it into a defiance thing, as if she is somehow the only person willing stand up for what is right. It's very sad and delusional, and I fear for what she is telling her kids about how everyone has turned on their father except her and Jim Bob (and maybe Jana). 

I don't like Jeremy Vuolo or Derrick Dillard much, but they are both spot on about Josh. Considering how many of the siblings posted on social media that Josh is guilty, I wonder how those family get-togethers with Anna really go. Even Joy Anna posted that he did it.

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quarks

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It's probably worth noting that Anna has frequently referred to Josh as her best friend in past posts, and this post also refers to her engagement. So, yes, although it's possible that she is visiting some other "bestie" that for whatever reason she's unwilling to name (and very possible that said "bestie" doesn't want to be known as the "bestie" of Anna Duggar), I think it's more likely that she's visiting Josh. Which either means that he has been moved, but this hasn't been updated in the computer system yet for whatever reason, or the Covid protocols at the county jail have been changed, allowing Anna to visit him there - although it's not clear why she would call that a "road trip."

Or, possibly, that she's decided that her real best friend is Jesus, and she's taking a road trip somewhere where she can commune with him. 

Regardless, this is the first birthday/anniversary post where she hasn't posted about how lucky she is, and instead has posted that she's listening over and over to a song that's about loss and brokenness and clinging to Jesus, and stating that she will continue to cling to Jesus. I think she's in a pretty bad place. 

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Absolom

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It isn't exactly a road trip from where she lives to the jail and the jail still isn't showing in person visits.  As of last night, he was still listed as being in the jail awaiting orders from the BoP.  Based on that I'm not sure what Anna is prattling on about.  Even if Josh had been moved this week, that's too soon for the prison to have him processed and her visiting paperwork to be done.

I'm very curious who this "bestie" is she's talking about.  Maybe she's off to see one of her sisters.  Priscilla would be my first guess.

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Cinnabon

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6 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

Ding! Ding! We have a winner. They were married in 2008 so FF is her bestie. 🙄 Good God that woman is dense, brainwashed, in denial...... list could go on. 

Good lord if her kids ever start using SM and going through her posts. Ugh.

4 hours ago, Kiki620 said:

I know this family could write the book on how to spin things but "road-tripping to visit my bestie" instead of "driving to see my husband in jail" has to be hands down one of their most mind blowing!  OMG - I just can't!

(If in fact that is what it means.)

I hate that kind of cutesie language from anyone over 18. Sounds ridiculous from a Duggar especially.

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quarks

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Again, I think Anna's in a really bad place mentally/emotionally. 

Prior to this, her social media has had only two modes: relentless, moderately terrifying positivity, or silence. This is a shift, presumably because right now, she can't manage either the silence or that positivity. Her husband is in jail. She has seven children, and no job and no job training/skills. It's not clear who, precisely, paid for/is paying for Josh's legal bills and the resulting federal fines, but her finances cannot be in good shape. Assuming she is still living in the warehouse, she is presumably interacting regularly with in-laws who have stated that Josh is guilty.

Meanwhile, the rest of her family and in-laws are happily living their lives, going on couples camping trips, redecorating houses, having more kids, and, most recently, heading off to moderately high profile Christian conventions, the very thing she used to do/thought she would be doing, complete with getting to ride on roller coasters and so on. The fact that two of the in-laws at that convention presumably frequently help her out with babysitting/housecleaning, and the in-law they were visiting followed up that visit with a 18 minute long sermon noting that yes, Josh is awful.  

The comparison must be extremely painful.

Thus this not entirely coherent post from her.

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emmawoodhouse

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I don't feel sorry for her. She could have left 3 kids ago. She made a conscious choice to stay with a pedo cheater, somehow thinking it would work. Sure, she's leaning on her faith, but faith won't cure Smuggar. Smuggar is just going to mouth the platitudes as he's always done with no admission of his guilt. And Anna will continue to believe him, despite the verdict.

At this point, her willful ignorance is bordering on obsessive. She's not rational, and her kids will be the losers as she continues to tilt at windmills.

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Cinnabon

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2 hours ago, quarks said:

Prior to this, her social media has had only two modes: relentless, moderately terrifying positivity, or silence.

She also used to retweet hateful stuff. That’s a big reason I started to detest her, before this latest drama. I hope she stays quiet.

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GeeGolly

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IMO, there's nothing wrong with the M & Ms figuring out who their dad is in their own time, and Anna believing he's innocent right now does not change the outcome of the trial - the FF is going to be in prison, away from any kids, for at least the next 10 years.

The way things unfolded in real time for Anna, she is more of a victim, IMO, than anything. She was a young, immature 20 year old when she married Josh and she trusted him and the adults around her. Ten years into her marriage Josh cheated, or at least tried to cheat - with other consenting adults. There's no way she, or anyone else, could have predicted where they'd all be at this point.

As far as we know the M & Ms have had a safe and happy childhood thus far.

I'm not defending Anna, as she is an adult now, I'm just saying I can understand where she is at. But her kids are safe, even if it takes time for Anna to figure it all out.

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