Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[lianau]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

Anna is so fucking stupid. Her brother gave her a one-way ticket out of that hell hole, yet she chose to stay and make another baby with that bloated slug. At this point she's made her bed, so she deserves whatever she gets.

Maybe she loves him ?   Also , I blame the parents much more than I blame Josh so I don't see him as this totally evil person .

[ariel]

3 minutes ago, lianau said:

I blame the parents much more than I blame Josh so I don't see him as this totally evil person .

I blame Josh.  At this point he is a adult, not a young kid.  With his previous activities, he should not be bringing addition children into the mess he has made with his life. That's cruel & selfish -  that's Josh.

[Sew Sumi]

And of course, we all know Anna has baby fever and has likely been CRAVING this band-aid baby. It's not going to help; Smuggar will slip up again. He can even explain away a location if they are tracking his car (and you bet they are). Smuggar lived "two lives" for years before Joshley Madison. After paying his penance for a few years, he'll be right back at it. 

[LilJen]

(((((Anna))))) ((((all five M kids)))))

[ChiCricket]

4 minutes ago, LilJen said:

 ((((all five M kids)))))

I only feel sorry for the innocent kids..Anna is an idiot.

[Rabbittron]

Hopefully with his boys it won't be the old saying Like Father Like Son.

[Fuzzysox]

22 minutes ago, PoshSprinkles said:

They're having another baby? 

You captured how we are all thinking/feeling right about now! 

[Mollie]

I'm just glad that the baby is not a girl.

The Duggars are getting a ton of negative comments on the baby announcement they put on Facebook two hours ago:

https://www.facebook.com/duggarfamilyofficial/posts/1004356366364679

Edited March 18, 2017 by Mollie

[louannems]

Fuck the Duggars with all their Such a Sweet Blessing crap!

[ms.o]

She cld be in her first trimester still. I found out sex of my youngest at 9 weeks When I had genetic testing done. 

[FakeJoshDuggar]

Josh was a 14 year old guy who touched his 5 year old sister underneath her clothes. "Curious" my ass.

[Sew Sumi]

5 minutes ago, ms.o said:

She cld be in her first trimester still. I found out sex of my youngest at 9 weeks When I had genetic testing done. 

They don't bother to do genetic testing. They just hit up the botique around 18 weeks. 

[Marigold]

That's really hard for a woman...to move forward after the husband has cheated.  It takes years.  Just shows how messed up Anna is. 

*I hate Josh.

*Feel sorry for the kids.

*I have mixed feelings about Anna. 

[Missy Vixen]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

Well, if it's any consolation, Kelly Bradrick, daughter of Dominionist leader (and former Doug Phillips crony) Scott Brown - who Ben will be hobnobbing with during that speaking engagement - has left her husband after 10 years of marriage due to infidelity. She has SIX kids. 

 

It's OT but let's all think good thoughts for Kelly. Hopefully she can get some job training or her family has the money to be able to make sure she and the kids have a roof over their heads and enough food.

We all knew this was going to happen but I have to confess hoping that Anna was smarter than this.

[Churchhoney]

2 hours ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

I came on here when I saw the announcement on Facebook to read the opinions of people who don't worship the Duggars. I truly hope this isn't a desperate attempt by Anna and/or Josh to save a marriage that really ought to end. If I were in Anna's position, it would be a very difficult struggle for me to allow him 1) near our children and 2) to have sex with me again. I don't know if she's a better person that I, or if she's just so weak with so few options in life that she accepts this as part of married life. 

The thing is, you know they aren't going to use birth control. For one thing, they're probably living under the total control of Jim Bob and Michelle. And then there's the fact that they probably mostly just hang around the house all the time -- pretty much alone and with other Duggars -- wondering what the heck went wrong. So sex probably occurs to one or even both of them during those many long hours and days and weeks and months. And Anna's certainly heard all her life that sex between husband and wife fixes things. So .... 

I've been wondering for a while now why she wasn't pregnant, given that scenario. Turns out she was. 

[Caracoa1]

Josh is only sorry he got caught.  If there hadn't been a leak on the Ashley Madison accounts he would still be an active member living a lie in DC.

[DangerousMinds]

How will they support yet another kid with no jobs?

[Sew Sumi]

7 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

The thing is, you know they aren't going to use birth control. For one thing, they're probably living under the total control of Jim Bob and Michelle. And then there's the fact that they probably mostly just hang around the house all the time -- pretty much alone and with other Duggars -- wondering what the heck went wrong. So sex probably occurs to one or even both of them during those many long hours and days and weeks and months. And Anna's certainly heard all her life that sex between husband and wife fixes things. So .... 

I've been wondering for a while now why she wasn't pregnant, given that scenario. Turns out she was. 

It did take several months, though. Smugs was sprung from Jesus Jail last February or March. I wonder just how joyfully available she's had to be with him in this past year? 

[Minivanessa]

6 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

How will they support yet another kid with no jobs?

I'm sure Josh is helping with JB's businesses. And they're probably planning Josh's redemption comeback, maybe with a book and certainly with a tour of appearances before fundies who will praise Jesus for saving Josh's soul, plus of course his inevitable return to the air on TLC. 

[JoanArc]

 

Im very saddened by this. I'd assumed they were quietly using contraception. A baby does not fix things. At all. I kind of surprised Anna still has her sanity left. It'd take all my will not to hit Josh over the head with a frying pan the first time his smug ass told me to do his laundry and make him a sandwich. I assumed it was announced now because Anna is showing and won't be able to hide it at the upcoming weddings. Maybe she and Josh can make out for the guests. ( doesn't this announcement make Joy's future look a lot happier?)

 

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Josh was a 14 year old guy who touched his 5 year old sister underneath her clothes. "Curious" my ass.

No, he was the 14 year old guy who forced his fingers into the vagina of his very awake 5 year old sister. Never forget or minimize with that fuckin' PR generated 'touching' line.

 Mordecai is a nice name, considering Josh should be a eunuch.

Edited March 18, 2017 by JoanArc

[Mojitogirl]

If she nursed the last baby for a year till July, then there's really no way to guess when she felt she could let him back into her bed. This one seems to be on the exact same track as the previous four so maybe all that happened was that he had a 6 month vacation and his absence made her heart grow fonder. 

I don't like to be too judgmental on what couples choose to put up with when it's an issue that is only between them but the molestations would be an unequivocal deal breaker for me. Period. End of story. Her judgement is screwed up, if nonexistent, and because her kids are clean and cutely dressed doesn't make her a good mom.  Four kids were doomed before and now it will be five with no end in sight. 

Edited March 18, 2017 by Mojitogirl

[Jeanius]

I don't see where another baby makes a whole lot of difference, IF Anna has decided to stay with Josh, and it looks like she has. Why would they not have another one if they want? If he is allowed to be around the other four, he is certainly allowed to have as many as he wants, if Anna is willing and able. Or, at least able. If she has decided to stay with him, why not? She may or may not be trying to "fix" the marriage, she maybe just wants more children. Who pays for him? They will manage, I am sure. The child will not want for food, shelter or clothing. I don't get the "outrage." I think she is a fool, but a lot of people are fools.

[cdp73]

Name it "My mommy is a moron."  Having another kid with him only proves she'll never get past the brainwashing.

[Mollie]

The last time Anna was pregnant, Josh was commiting adultery with the porn star Danica Dillon and didn't even put on a condom.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3210828/Porn-star-says-terrifying-rough-sex-disgraced-Josh-Duggar-TWICE-wife-pregnant-fourth-child.html

 

[JoanArc]

Fwiw there is no evidence he had an affair with a porn star. He just admitted to being unfaithful. I mean I'm sure he banged some women on the side, but not necessarily Danica Dillon.

[Churchhoney]

So. Quite soon JB and M will have nine, count 'em, nine "grandbabies." And between the unemployment, lack of education likely not just in the past but in the future, nuts or horrible or at least pretty incompetent parents, and parental marriages that we all peg with varying degrees of at least slow-motion doom -- and being currently at least mainly surrounded only by more dysfunctional Duggars -- they're nine more or less already-well-screwed-over little kids. Yeah. God's really holding this family up as a shining example of what all people should be. Good grief. 

[babyhouseman]

3 hours ago, flyingdi said:

So when is Major Mistake Duggar due?  Just throwing out M name suggestions.

I was getting ready to post "Mistake" for a name, but you beat me to it. This news is sad but not surprising. Another M name: Misery. 

[ariel]

2 minutes ago, Jeanius said:

I don't get the "outrage." I think she is a fool, but a lot of people are fools.

A lot of people are fools & they also get outrage for their foolish behavior especially if they put themselfs in the public spotlight. 

[babyhouseman]

On 3/15/2017 at 10:26 AM, GeeGolly said:

I wonder if Anna is pregnant. The last 3 kids were about two years apart. 

Mackynzie 10/8/09, Michael 6/15/11, Marcus 6/2/13, Meredith 7/16/15

You should work for the Psychic Network, lol. 

[JoanArc]

 I just realized this is the first pregnancy they can't monetize or grift off of. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.

[Jynnan tonnix]

I know we are not supposed to speculate on Josh's inclinations toward minors, but my instinct is, at this point, that although he was a hormonally fueled adolescent, admittedly on a path dangerously lacking in conscience, he has experienced enough sex, real and virtual, within and without the bonds of matrimony with real adult women, that it's unlikely that he'd feel that drawn to explore children at this point in time. Especially given that whatever one thought about him, and whether or not he necessarily wanted a slew of kids, he did actually seem to love the ones he had. I just think that, given any other outlets whatsoever, and you know that they are out there somewhere, he would not choose to hurt his children.

[Beaner]

How can Anna be so, so stupid? Do JB & M have no shame? This is all their doing and Anna is eager to comply. Nothing good will come of this.  How sad and disgusting.

[awaken]

4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

So maybe an August baby? Their timing is right on schedule.

Didn't skip a beat, sadly. Looks like Jesus jail did not put them behind schedule at all. 

When I saw 36 new posts on this thread when I logged in tonight, I knew it was with this or he did it again. :(

[ariel]

11 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 I just realized this is the first pregnancy they can't monetize or grift off of. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.

It will be interesting to see if they try to.  Maybe they are/have written a book?  With the Duggars & their love for grifting, you never know.

[pinkelephant3]

18 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 I just realized this is the first pregnancy they can't monetize or grift off of. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.

Oh no the crazies will still send them stuff. Maybe even more so now that they are saved and Jesus saved them and their marriage and all of us mean people need to forgive 

[awaken]

1 hour ago, DangerousMinds said:

How will they support yet another kid with no jobs?

Joblessness hasn't stopped the others from continuing to have kids either. I'd love a direct answer on how they plan to  support their growing brood, without jobs, or education, when they put so much emphasis on finances! 

[Albanyguy]

3 hours ago, flyingdi said:

 Just throwing out M name suggestions

I'm guessing they're not gonna go with "Madison".

[Sew Sumi]

Smuggar's financial woes are exacerbated by the fact that he isn't getting a piece of the Counting On pie. Seriously, what could he be doing for Boob that will feed a wife and five kids (not to mention himself)? It's evident that they live in a Boob-owned abode, and if it's the guest house on the property, they may not even pay utilities. They just need food, gas, and clothing. 

Edited March 18, 2017 by Sew Sumi

[Churchhoney]

13 minutes ago, awaken said:

Joblessness hasn't stopped the others from continuing to have kids either. I'd love a direct answer on how they plan to  support their growing brood, without jobs, or education, when they put so much emphasis on finances! 

I love the way you're absolutely positively never ever ever supposed to incur even a tiny little debt, even if your car breaks down two days from payday and you end up having to beg off work and forgo the two days of wages because to get to the job you'd have to put the transportation and car repair temporarily on your credit card. God absolutely nixes any of his special people taking on that little bit of debt, whatever they might imagine the long-term benefit of it would be. Those who do take on the debt are likely hellbound. 

However -- have 56 kids with no foreseeable way to pay their bills (except grifting?) ? Heck, yeah, that's God's way! 

WTF.

[Nysha]

3 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Unlike Anna, when the shit hit the fan, she went back home and filed for divorce. Oh Anna, what a mess you are making of this farce you call a marriage. 

Given that Anna's family, except for her brother, were pressuring her to forgive Josh and save her marriage, I think she's doing everything she can to make it work. She's been brainwashed since day one that her role in life is to obey her headship, no matter what. I WISH she and Josh would have stopped at 4 kids, gotten real counseling, and escaped JimBob, but that was never going to happen. Hopefully, she wanted this baby and is happy to be pregnant. 

[JayInChicago]

Do you think anyone has raised the issue of std testing with Anna?

[sATL]

12 minutes ago, JayInChicago said:

Do you think anyone has raised the issue of std testing with Anna?

speaking of which, I am surprised no one has requested DNA testing for possible Josh love-child

[Missy Vixen]

8 minutes ago, sATL said:

speaking of which, I am surprised no one has requested DNA testing for possible Josh love-child

And I just threw up in my mouth.

Let's hope the women he was with were at least on birth control; one has to wonder how Anna would react to that. Would she finally leave? Or would she simper that it was an "extra-special blessing" and "out of ashes comes beauty"?

KJB sold the house out from under Anna while Joshley Madison was in Jesus Jail. He was pretty damn quick on the draw to make them judgment proof.

[sATL]

One BIG issue I have with this crew is that they seem to believe that God's only and best blessing is a child. Which sounds like they don't put a lot of stock in other blessings - like good health, peace of mind, food on the table, roof over your head, etc.

Anna - child #5 isn't going to make your life and marriage more that what it is. Why bring another little one into this mess when you stated how hard it was when  Josh went to "rehab" dealing with the four. So now your setting yourself up for being a single parent again,  if/when Josh does his "strike 2" bullet up-state in fake rehab.

[queenanne]

2 hours ago, Jeanius said:

I don't see where another baby makes a whole lot of difference, IF Anna has decided to stay with Josh, and it looks like she has. Why would they not have another one if they want? If he is allowed to be around the other four, he is certainly allowed to have as many as he wants, if Anna is willing and able. Or, at least able. If she has decided to stay with him, why not? She may or may not be trying to "fix" the marriage, she maybe just wants more children. Who pays for him? They will manage, I am sure. The child will not want for food, shelter or clothing. I don't get the "outrage." I think she is a fool, but a lot of people are fools.

 

10 minutes ago, Nysha said:

Given that Anna's family, except for her brother, were pressuring her to forgive Josh and save her marriage, I think she's doing everything she can to make it work. She's been brainwashed since day one that her role in life is to obey her headship, no matter what. I WISH she and Josh would have stopped at 4 kids, gotten real counseling, and escaped JimBob, but that was never going to happen. Hopefully, she wanted this baby and is happy to be pregnant. 

Yeah, none of it's surprising.  It's tough enough for the proverbial "couples who 'hate' each other" to live together and 24/7 avoid sex.  These people are against birth control and divorce; all things considered Anna is probably still hot for the guy, as she used to about pass out when they held hands.

I don't like it but I'm not surprised by it.  When they didn't get divorced, this outcome was written in stone.

[Arwen Evenstar]

It's sad, just sad.

i remember when Anna announced she was pregnant with Meredith and Josh looked like he'd bit into a shit sandwich while the other M&Ms played with the pee stick.

Anna always had that creepy baby hunger going on, to the point it was downright disturbing.

[Micks Picks]

Yes, I remember her baby fever, downright sickening, and Josh trying to defer the conversation.  Everybody could see he was not interested, at all.  He seemed like a good father to the three he had at the time, and wanted to make a career for himself.  Too bad he couldn't stay away from the porn and porn stars.  Anna was no help with her constant yammering on about babies.  

[TessHarding2]

7 hours ago, flyingdi said:

So when is Major Mistake Duggar due?  Just throwing out M name suggestions.

Molester.

[Booey]

8 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Note the timing of the announcement. Friday afternooons are always the time for a "news dump." I think this says a lot about how this is being treated by TLC. 

That's for sure. And on St. Paddy's Day too. I only just saw now because I'm winding down after getting home from the pub, and still had this forum open in my browser. Thought it might mean something that the Smugger topic was right up top so I clicked on it to find the posts with the news. Otherwise I probably wouldn't have known til later on in the weekend or something. Definitely brilliant timing.

[Temperance]

Baby fever is natural when it is ingrained in the culture that a woman's worth is in how many blessings, etc. Her parents probably ingrained in her the importance of a big family and probably talk about how they wished they had more/glad they don't have less. By fundie standards,  all her kids are about two years apart which is a lot. Michelle had a baby almost every year. 

As for Josh, the man has several faces or personalities. It's probably hard for Anna to see the man who is kind to their kids and whom she perceives as treating her well as the same man who does bad things behind her back. If she had seen him say cheating before her own eyes, it might be different. I think she was clueless and doesn't see what we see.  In fact she doesn't see any of it, she hears about it secondhand. 

In some ways, the biggest red flags are thing that do happen when they're together. He walks way ahead of her and doesn't help carry things. He was shown many, many times off on his own during what eventually became the toliet birth. It's worth noting, but Joshgate came out, Television Without Pity named Josh one of their worst reality stars of the year for a variety of things like his behavior during the birth, also making her travel with his family while pregnant, etc. Anyone else remember this?

Much more than Derrick, Josh should have known what was coming when he got married. If he doesn't want kids, he should do something about it.  

I'm sure his parents think the baby will solve and if not the baby then the "practicing".