Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[GinnyM]

Some people, and not just fundie types, consider looking at porn being unfaithful to your spouse. I haven't been studying this situation, but has anyone said there was an actual relationship?

Given how repressed these people are - or try to be - we have to understand their definitions of things might not match everyone's.

They think hugging your family is wrong (although we now see why they think that) so how can we trust their definition of cheating and even molestation is the same as ours?

[JennyMominFL]

I totally agree. There are many people available who have doctorates in counseling and many are also ordained pastors in main line churches. I have been to one myself when I was a very young widow. 

The thing is, they seem to only believe that people like them are real Christians.  Those counselers better not be Catholic, Or Lutheran or Mormon, or any of the other 100 or so Christian churches that are not Christian enough for them.

Edited August 22, 2015 by JennyMominFL

[3girlsforus]

The thing is, they seem to only believe that people like them are real Christians.  Those counselors better not be Catholic, Or Lutheran or Mormon, or any of the other 100 or so Christian churches that are not Christian enough for them.

 

True but since Anna has siblings who are no longer in the cult I'm hoping she might be more willing to listen to a non-Gothardite.

[Julia]

This is posted on the home page of Josh and Anna's family website (shorter Kirk Cameron: don't be on my side, pls, ktxbai)

[kathe5133]

Ok. Lately I have exclaimed "what is wrong with this world". I have my answer. The film above.

and "only forgotten son" LOL!

Edited August 22, 2015 by kathe5133

[Featherhat]

I totally agree. There are many people available who have doctorates in counseling and many are also ordained pastors in main line churches. I have been to one myself when I was a very young widow

Yes I saw one of those, years ago. She had secular accreditations from reputable bodies/institutions and was also a member of reputable Christian organisations (the kind that only accept people who have had thorough training) but offered an additional knowledge or discussion of your faith from the POV of someone who shares it. She was great, didn’t hesitate to recommend I see a Dr when necessary or use doctrine to preach at me but it was a good thing to know that she understood when I was a confused 20 year old Christian. Not all counsellors are created equal but a reputable Christian one can be as good as a completely secular one for Anna. Unfortunately that’s just as unlikely as her getting a good secular therapist.

Edited August 22, 2015 by Featherhat

[NextIteration]

Allow me to clarify my personal use of the word "secular" as applied to therapy for Anna.  A fully accredited Christian therapist is fine, as long as they are trained in all manner of therapeutic doctrine.  My point was to make a distinction from a Gothard or any doctrinaire therapist that would just keep heaping the nonsense of the cult back on her.  Anna has no blame in this situation - it is all on Josh, and she needs someone to validate that for her, objectively, while helping her through making choices available to her.

Edited August 23, 2015 by NextIteration

[Fuzzysox]

Throughout this "scandal" all I could think of is that Josh would have spun his issues into a ministry! I know it's crazy but I watched a krazy reality show a couple of years ago called Hookers For Jesus. An ex-hooker reforms herself by going back to church where she was raised and has redeemed herself. I would have thought Josh wanted to "minister" to these poor woman who have lost their way away from The Lord.

 

If you want to read about Annie's life it's really interesting....

 

http://www.hookersforjesus.net/annies-story/

Edited August 22, 2015 by Fuzzysox

[OhioMom]

I'm not sure where this would go so totally cool to move or delete if necessary.

Another Christian family of YouTube notoriety, Sam and Nia, has had his Ashley Madison account exposed. Recently they made the news when a pregnancy test video went viral that has been questioned for its authenticity.

I'm sure this is just the beginning.

Speaking of that pregnancy test...I've never seen one like that before, so looked it up online.  The very prominent line that you can see on the test by the letter T s "always" there (as a kind of control, as in, the test is working), the second line (if positive) is supposed to appear over the "C".  I don't see a line over the C, so maybe the test itself wasn't even positive.  Or maybe my eyes are going.  Going back on topic now.....

[JoanArc]

 

Lured by the almighty dollar, and with a skewed fairytale view of love, she was drawn toward the seductive whispers and open arms of the sex industry. Greed consumed her, the money an easy remedy to numb her brokenness, so she began a new life with a new name–Fallen. Settling under the lights of glamorous Las Vegas, she became one of the most sought-after high-class escorts, fielding calls from celebrities, musicians, politicians, and other men with endless supplies of cash.

Change she to he, whoring to famewhoring, and Vegas to DC, and it's Josh's life. He even has a pimp - Jim Bob.

[Defrauder]

Josh is very ambitious.  He's not just your average garden variety hypocrite, no, he's the biggest hypocrite EVER.  Gotta be the very best at something I guess.

[Fuzzysox]

Change she to he, whoring to famewhoring, and Vegas to DC, and it's Josh's life. He even has a pimp - Jim Bob.

Nailed it! Hilarious!!

[EarlGreyTea]

Throughout this "scandal" all I could think of is that Josh would have spun his issues into a ministry! I know it's crazy but I watched a krazy reality show a couple of years ago called Hooker For Jesus. An ex-hooker reforms herself by going back to church where she was raised and has redeemed herself. I would have thought Josh wanted to "minister" to these poor woman who have lost their way away from The Lord.

 

If you want to read about Annie's life it's really interesting....

 

http://www.hookersforjesus.net/annies-story/

 

Would be a nice redemption arc, but it seems like Josh would first need self-awareness, humility, humor, and the ability to express himself well.

[sleekandchic]

Some people, and not just fundie types, consider looking at porn being unfaithful to your spouse. I haven't been studying this situation, but has anyone said there was an actual relationship?

Given how repressed these people are - or try to be - we have to understand their definitions of things might not match everyone's.

They think hugging your family is wrong (although we now see why they think that) so how can we trust their definition of cheating and even molestation is the same as ours?

Who knows with the Duggars? But I've personally concluded that Josh has had extramarital sex: (1) his re-re-revised mea culpa no longer mentions his addiction to porn at all. I think that deletion removes the ambiguity of porn = unfaithful, and speaks to an admittance of true, physical, real-life infidelity.

(2)...and this one carries more weight with me: Josh would not have opened accounts on Ashley Madison unless he was actively looking to hook up. The net has a quadrillion million two-hundred-fifty gazillion pornsites for every predilection imaginable (and some unimaginable too). Ashley Madison isnt for the porn-obsessed.

Now, I could believe that Josh came across a link to AM on one of his many porn-crawls, but that doesn't explain his signing up, two separate times. And that extra $250 guarantee he opted for shows Josh had big dreams.

[Tabbygirl521]

This is posted on the home page of Josh and Anna's family website (shorter Kirk Cameron: don't be on my side, pls,

This just infuriates me. I could rail for days, but won't. Just...all this amounts to, is ruling and controlling through fear alone. IMO following the commandments faithfully would have one live in a way that honors and respects oneself and others, and show gratitude for whoever/whatever was kind enough to give us life and the world we share. But no. Instead, you had best never piss off this invasive entity who won't even let you have your own thoughts to yourself. Or fry in hell for eternity. Makes God sound like the meanest, pettiest old bitch around. This does, however, remind me to be grateful that my mom steered us to a loving and progressive Episcopal church.

I guess I did kind of rail for days. I just so deeply loathe these MANmade systems for controlling other people. How many little kids have nightmares or wet their pants at night, because they had a Bad Thought that day, and now their "loving" God is going to fry them in hell?

[Defrauder]

This is posted on the home page of Josh and Anna's family website (shorter Kirk Cameron: don't be on my side, pls, ktxbai)

No wonder the Duggars are so screwed up.  They believe that they can do whatever they want and it's all good because they believe!  Share the good news!  What a corrupt system they follow.  Forget about being a moral atheist who doesn't lie, cheat, steal or commit adultery because they feel it's wrong - nope the corrupt judge doesn't want to hear from them, the corrupt judge just wants someone to believe!  Share the good news everyone! 

[sandyskyblue]

I know a lot of people hope that Anna gets secular counseling and I understand the thought behind that but I hope she gets Christian counseling. I don't mean Gothard/Fundie counseling. I mean real counseling from a Christian. There are many actually trained, with real degrees etc counselors out there who are also Christians. Personally I think that's the only chance someone has to get through to her. If she sits in front a person she knows has no religious beliefs and they tell her things against her upbringing she's going to chalk it up to a difference in worldview. But if a Christian says the same things she might be open to hear it. She still might not be able to but I think it's the only chance. 

I seem to recall that the Duggars do not believe in any counseling of any type....unfortunately, I highly doubt Anna will get any sort of counseling at all...IIRC, the only 'counseling' Josh received after his confession of molesting his sisters and the babysitter was a stern talk from that cop who turned out to be into porn and then Josh did drywall work....some 'counseling', eh?  Anna will be encouraged to pray, that's all....JMO

[JoanArc]

http://www.tmz.com/2015/08/22/josh-duggar-okcupid-profile-stolen-picture/

 

 

Matthew says he's already lost a DJ gig because the club felt he was part of the sex scandal. He feels this is somehow defamation of character, and he's considering his legal options.

I hope he sues Josh. Pan fry that catfish!

[Liz Tudor]

Liz Tudor - Due you mean the Smithsonian Museum NH where they re-staged what the moon landing looked like and not faked it? Just wondering because my nephew is one of the nuts who thinks the moon landing was faked in Arizona and is a conspiracy.

NEGirl, I was just being a snarky sarcastipuss. Since the Duggars are hard-over creationists, I was just poking fun about the dinosaur/human exhibits at the museum of natural history (which the creationism museum in KY actually features...for REALZ). Going along with their ignorance, I added on the bit about Air & Space having the set of the "fake" moon landing. For those of us who don't wear foil hats, they have a representation of the actual moon landing. Your nephew wouldn't buy into it. Sorry for any confusion!

[BitterApple]

I'm a little confused, Josh admitted in his first statement that he had an addiction, so why is that not eligible for discussion?

[LilyoftheValley]

I hope (too optimistically I know) that this will be a wake-up call to the Duggars to actually listen to what each of their children want on an individual level.  How many friggin times did Josh say that he wanted to be a lawyer and have 2 or 3 kids????  I know he said it many times on camera so he must have said it many more times off camera.  Look Duggars, I get that you are "in the right" when it comes to Jebus and God and stuff, but your lifestyle is very extreme.  Josh made it very clear that he needed to grow up and mature before he got married.  Sure, he did not use those words because he thought himself mature already, but he obviously knew something about himself that his parents were not picking up on at all.  If you want to avoid another scandal then instead of doubling-down on reading the bible to your kids, consider listening to them on an individual level.  

Edited August 22, 2015 by LilyoftheValley

[Gemma Violet]

Often times evangelical and fundamentalists believe that every challenge and problem can be solved by God through prayer. So to turn to secular counseling would be to say that God cannot heal or handle a problem. Additionally, many like the Duggars believe that issues or disorders that would require counseling are revelations of character flaws and a lack of a true relationship with God. To admit those things would mean admitting those flaws.

 

And yet most of them have no problem using the services of medical doctors, dentists, etc., but using a psychologist is a no-no, apparently.  

[zenme]

I'm sorry, but Josh is really, really smart. He said so himself on OKC.

 

No. 

 

BTW, not only would I be upset that my husband paid for a subscription to join a cheaters club, and paid a premium for guaranteed sex, but I'd also be mad that he paid for this while my kids and I were living in the mold house.  Mold.  With filthy mattresses too.  You have money to pay for that, but no money to get us clean mattresses, and de-mold our home?  Oh, I'd be throwing all kinds of stuff in his face! "While I was cleaning your underwear, cooking your food, cleaning your house, you were on the computer flirting and trying to have sex with other women?"

Edited August 22, 2015 by zenme

[NEGirl]

NEGirl, I was just being a snarky sarcastipuss. Since the Duggars are hard-over creationists, I was just poking fun about the dinosaur/human exhibits at the museum of natural history (which the creationism museum in KY actually features...for REALZ). Going along with their ignorance, I added on the bit about Air & Space having the set of the "fake" moon landing. For those of us who don't wear foil hats, they have a representation of the actual moon landing. Your nephew wouldn't buy into it. Sorry for any confusion!

 

LIZ - Thought it was a snark. No problem. Can't convince my nephew the moon landing was real - and he is an attorney in D.C. - go figure.

[Featherhat]

I hope (too optimistically I know) that this will be a wake-up call to the Duggars to actually listen to what each of their children want on an individual level.  How many friggin times did Josh say that he wanted to be a lawyer and have 2 or 3 kids????  I know he said it many times on camera so he must have said it many more times off camera.  Look Duggars, I get that you are "in the right" when it comes to Jebus and God and stuff, but your lifestyle is very extreme.  Josh made it very clear that he needed to grow up and mature before he got married.  Sure, he did not use those words because he thought himself mature already, but he obviously knew something about himself that his parents were not picking up on at all.  If you want to avoid another scandal then instead of doubling-down on reading the bible to your kids, consider listening to them on an individual level.  

 

Indeed. That's actually what a lot of his FRC colleagues have done, along with many other extremely conservative think tanks/lobbyists/pundits. They still agree with a lot of what the Duggar's believe but they have manageable family sizes and make sure to get an education, even if its at a strict Christian college like Patrick Henry. In this part I do feel a tiny bit sorry for him. He never stood a chance at getting that type of education from Wisdom booklets. Even though he is a smug, lazy entitled ass he might have at least gotten to the first part of college with an attempt at law school and a college experience, even if most fundie colleges sound just a less extreme version of ALERT or JTTH to me. The often seem incapable of rationally arguing their points (IMHO) and have a 90% social media fail rate but at least they *attempt* to have some critical reasoning ie Liberty University and other's goal of taking down Roe vs Wade via training their debate team/future lawyers to a high standard.

 

Of course he still could try going back to school (right back to high school probably) but he probably won't. How did Jim Bob (and every other "patriarch" think their sons were going to be able to provide for dozens of kids with no education in today's world? 2nd hand car businesses don't mean shit if you have no business sense or basic math.

Edited August 22, 2015 by Featherhat

[jacksgirl]

Yuck, had to start school, so missed all of the Ashley Madison fun. Tried to catch up this morning. Aside from whether or not it was just watching porn or trying to have affairs, how incredibly stupid is it to use websites and credit cards for these activities? It's 2015, people will find out.

[LilyoftheValley]

Indeed. That's actually what a lot of his FRC colleagues have done, along with many other extremely conservative think tanks/lobbyists/pundits. They still agree with a lot of what the Duggar's believe but they have manageable family sizes and make sure to get an education, even if its at a strict Christian college like Patrick Henry. In this part I do feel a tiny bit sorry for him. He never stood a chance at getting that type of education from Wisdom booklets. Even though he is a smug, lazy entitled ass he might have at least gotten to the first part of college with an attempt at law school and a college experience, even if most fundie colleges sound just a less extreme version of ALERT or JTTH to me.

 

Of course he still could try going back to school (right back to high school probably) but he probably won't. How did Jim Bob (and every other "patriarch" think their sons were going to be able to provide for dozens of kids with no education in today's world? 2nd hand car businesses don't mean shit if you have no business sense or basic math.

So I was thinking about this the other day.  If I were to have between 10 and 20 kids with my husband, and I stayed home in did not work, then I would expect him to earn around $200,000 a year in order for us to have comfortable middle class lifestyle with all those kids.  You know who earns that much?  About 4% of the population.  The Duggars would be in poverty right now if it weren't for the show.  Anna clearly grew up in poverty.  These dips ought to have encouraged Josh to go to law school (though as a lawyer myself, I'm not sure he has the stuff), but at the very least he could have tried.  

[Chai]

No. 

 

BTW, not only would I be upset that my husband paid for a subscription to join a cheaters club, and paid a premium for guaranteed sex, but I'd also be mad that he paid for this while my kids and I were living in the mold house.  Mold.  With filthy mattresses too.  You have money to pay for that, but no money to get us clean mattresses, and de-mold our home?  Oh, I'd be throwing all kinds of stuff in his face! "While I was cleaning your underwear, cooking your food, cleaning your house, you were on the computer flirting and trying to have sex with other women?"

Exactly! I just want to tell Anna, wait till he's sleeping then super glue his balls to his leg. Then throw his computer and phone out. SHE should pay someone to beat the crap out of him.

[Julia]

So I was thinking about this the other day.  If I were to have between 10 and 20 kids with my husband, and I stayed home in did not work, then I would expect him to earn around $200,000 a year in order for us to have comfortable middle class lifestyle with all those kids.  You know who earns that much?  About 4% of the population.  The Duggars would be in poverty right now if it weren't for the show.  Anna clearly grew up in poverty.  These dips ought to have encouraged Josh to go to law school (though as a lawyer myself, I'm not sure he has the stuff), but at the very least he could have tried.  

 

You'd be surprised how much money you can make and still get a fair amount of government assistance, even in Arkansas, when you have 20 dependents. I looked it up. And they don't means test quite a bit of it, including pregnancy care.

 

I know the quiverfulls say they don't accept government assistance, but I'm pretty sure those records, if they existed, would be protected, and I don't particularly trust their word.

[sometimesy]

Anna doesn't have to make a public statement. If she does, will anyone believe her? Didn't she have an episode where she was explaining their first long road trip alone with the 3 kids (um people do that everyday, but for her and Josh it as a mountain to climb I suppose). Turns out Jana just happened to be at one or two of the stops at the same time. Hunh? If that is true, and she was just following the script, then, she is as deep into the Duggar fame train as the original cast. Don't get me wrong, no one deserves to be cheated on, but she WAS aware of the public life she married into. That lessens my sympathy for her public humiliation. Although I still feel for sympathy for her regarding the personal betrayal.

Edited August 22, 2015 by sometimesy

[Granny58]

I know a lot of people hope that Anna gets secular counseling and I understand the thought behind that but I hope she gets Christian counseling. I don't mean Gothard/Fundie counseling. I mean real counseling from a Christian. There are many actually trained, with real degrees etc counselors out there who are also Christians. Personally I think that's the only chance someone has to get through to her. If she sits in front a person she knows has no religious beliefs and they tell her things against her upbringing she's going to chalk it up to a difference in worldview. But if a Christian says the same things she might be open to hear it. She still might not be able to but I think it's the only chance. 

I like that idea.  She can see that you don't need to be at her extreme to be a Christian.

[LilyoftheValley]

You'd be surprised how much money you can make and still get a fair amount of government assistance, even in Arkansas, when you have 20 dependents. I looked it up. And they don't means test quite a bit of it, including pregnancy care.

 

I know the quiverfulls say they don't accept government assistance, but I'm pretty sure those records, if they existed, would be protected, and I don't particularly trust their word.

Okay but that is not a comfortable middle class lifestyle.  I am talking vacations and sending all the kids to college.  Sure, a family of 20 can survive off food stamps and a modest income, but they cannot take their brood on nice trips, send the kids to camp or pay for lessons, and they cannot send their kids to college or help the kids buy their first car or their first house.  

[NewDigs]

Just a guess but I'm thinking that the Duggars don't need no stinkin' worldly goods.

College? Pffft. We'll learn ya' just fine.

Car? Where do you think you're going?

House? And not live with/take care of us?

etc. etc.

[SometimesBites]

I know a lot of people hope that Anna gets secular counseling and I understand the thought behind that but I hope she gets Christian counseling. I don't mean Gothard/Fundie counseling. I mean real counseling from a Christian. There are many actually trained, with real degrees etc counselors out there who are also Christians. Personally I think that's the only chance someone has to get through to her. If she sits in front a person she knows has no religious beliefs and they tell her things against her upbringing she's going to chalk it up to a difference in worldview. But if a Christian says the same things she might be open to hear it. She still might not be able to but I think it's the only chance.

I agree that she'd be more likely to trust a counselor who specifically identifies as a Christian, but she could go to any number of brilliant counselors and never know anything about their personal life or beliefs. It SHOULD be irrelevant to effective therapy. My own experience during an 18-year marriage disaster and many, MANY rounds of counseling with a wide variety of Christian counselors, was that they were all being so careful to uphold certain biblical pricipals that I was effectively pointed back into my hell, over and over and over. We can say, oh, but a good counselor wouldn't do that, but my experience is that in Christian counseling there is a strong push to keep marriage intact no matter what, and to always think that if the parties in question work hard enough they can overcome ANYTHING. The result, for me, was a lot of years of my young adult life thrown away on a man who was not just a waste of my time, but an actively negative force that I had to spend years shaking off.

Sad as it makes me to say it, I don't believe Anna will leave Josh unless and until it gets much, much, much worse. She has many more years of hard-knock education ahead of her, due almost entirely to the way she was raised. There is absoutely no way to adequately explain how deeply ingrained those ideas are and how effectively they blind a person to seeing a different way of living. It's almost like having a genetic imperative. WE know Anna has choices, but Anna really doesn't know that. It's like elephants who can be tethered by a simple wooden stake. They could pull it loose if they wanted to, but the peg held them when they were impressionable babies, so they believe it will hold them now.

[Quof]

I still don't believe Josh actually bumped uglies with anyone.

 

Oh, I think he wanted to, but:

There are a multitude of men on AM, why would any woman choose Josh? 

And if she did choose him based on his profile, wouldn't meeting him turn her off?

And if a woman did go through with it, she was either too stupid to recognize the blackmail potential, or Josh has been paying her hush money since it happened.

[Cherrio]

Change she to he, whoring to famewhoring, and Vegas to DC, and it's Josh's life. He even has a pimp - Jim Bob.

Exactly.  I have always seen ALL the parents who put their children on reality tv as pimps. Same goes for the powers that be behind it all. They look for people who are lacking in common sense and the best interests of children or themselves.   Same as a pimp on the street knowing when he meets that young girl who is scared, hungry, homeless, abused or lonely.    They are all victims, even the so called wonderful parents on TLC and the other networks.

[JoanArc]

 

SHE should pay someone to beat the crap out of him.

I'm Sure Jill, Jessa, or Amy, Jim Bob, or Michelle would do it for free. Beat used, and save the difference. (Not that I'm condoning violence.) They'll be reminding him of this everyday for the rest of his life. Good Enough.

Edited August 22, 2015 by JoanArc

[ChristmasJones]

Not sure if this has been posted- did Josh have a fake FB account?

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/josh-duggar-secret-facebook-creepy-account-alias-article-1.2333507

[Julia]

Not sure if this has been posted- did Josh have a fake FB account?

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/josh-duggar-secret-facebook-creepy-account-alias-article-1.2333507

 

Is it me, or is it just weird that he chose the picture of a jewish Harvard graduate banker from Manhattan? It seems like that would fill quite a few squares on a Josh thinks you're bad for America bingo card.

[LilyoftheValley]

Is it me, or is it just weird that he chose the picture of a jewish Harvard graduate banker from Manhattan? It seems like that would fill quite a few squares on a Josh thinks you're bad for America bingo card.

Josh has a very warped sense of who is actually is.  Sure we all have a slight disconnect between the real us and the person we imagine we are, but Josh goes far beyond that.  Judging by his OKCupid and Facebook accounts I can see that Josh thinks of himself as a hot, wealthy, highly-educated genius who is cool and cultured.  The reality is that he is puffy, average, unsophisticated, uneducated, and forever stuck in Frog's Balls, Arkansas.  

[Marigold]

I think Ashley Madison is the beginning.

More will come out...

I hope Jim Bob and Mechelle are buckled up because Josh is gonna take them on a wild ride. 

[luna70]

I don't believe for a NY Second! THAT-Anna OR HER FAMILY knew about Josh's molestations BEFORE they were married! No! What Father (or mild 3rd class Mother in the Background?) would say "Josh, what a catch! Family has $, on T.V., which is prohibited by B.Gothard, AND he MOLESTED 5 young women/girls-4 of them his SISTERS while they SLEPT &/or sat on his lap! To think, Anna has a # of unmarried sisters, won't they be excited !(Not!-No doubt why Josh 'went-a-courting' 100s of miles away from 'earshot of rumors' (the truth-wasn't he supposed to be with a Bate girl?).

 

A lot of 'Gothards' turn to welfare... it would not be a shame for Anna -If-one of her sisters could drag her away!

 

How could Anna's father support 7 (?) kids if he 'quit' to be a missionary in jails? Most missionaries in my Church (a regular Protestant one-are single OR live in 3rd world countries. Not 7 kids, FL. (While doing 'charity' is great, your 1st priority is your FAMILY-as in feeding, housing, health care..(maybe why some of Anna'a siblings left?). Some posters ? how Anna, uneducated, could 'counsel' young girls in jail. She & her father could NOT be listed as real therapists, but as one of the MANY who go in to show prisoners 'the Love of GOD' , etc..A lot of criminals 'claim' to find 'GOD'.(Had a relative who claimed this..B.S) Some do..a lot use these people to get out on parole, $, someone to listen to, etc. Anna -I doubt if she 'turned' many..what did she have in common?

 

Anna is probably scared. Josh probably has little in his name, JB has always controlled the $, what they do, say. HE is probably pissed that Josh has more & more coming out about him. The chance that TLC (or ANY Network) will put them on is growing DIMMER & dimmer....Got to wonder-Derrick, going to Nepal with Jill(?), squashing any chance of 'spin off' -Derrick seeking revenge against Josh/JB? He is cutting $ off from JB-who would of found a way to get $ from show!

[Tabbygirl521]

So radaronline has tracked down one of Joe Smithson's FB friends. There is a mini interview with her on the site. Nothing juicy. But perhaps she is the tip of the schadenfreude iceberg that the SS Josh is headed for.

[3girlsforus]

Not sure if this has been posted- did Josh have a fake FB account?

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/josh-duggar-secret-facebook-creepy-account-alias-article-1.2333507

 

I haven't been able to keep up with all angles of the stories so I'm not understanding this. Why do people think this FB page belonged to Josh?

[sometimesy]

Why 2 accounts? Would Josh take the fall for a friend or brother? Put it in his name and credit card and the other person, maybe sans credit card pay him back? I really hope so (I am an awful human being, there is a fortress of Satan or something). 2 account thing is weird to me, because once he moved he could have just edited his information.

[GeeGolly]

Why 2 accounts? Would Josh take the fall for a friend or brother? Put it in his name and credit card and the other person, maybe sans credit card pay him back? I really hope so (I am an awful human being, there is a fortress of Satan or something). 2 account thing is weird to me, because once he moved he could have just edited his information.

I was thinking the 2 accounts were to increase his chances of a hook-up because he traveled back to Arkansas regularly. 

[LilyoftheValley]

I was thinking the 2 accounts were to increase his chances of a hook-up because he traveled back to Arkansas regularly. 

Yup.  One was for AR and one was for DC.  When they leak more tomorrow, it will be interesting to see who he claimed to be in AR vs DC.  

[truthtalk2014]

Does anyone remember what that thing was that Josh and Anna stayed in while visiting Anna's parents?  Was it a camper?  I can't really remember.  Do the Kellers still have other kids living at home?  At this point, if Anna wanted a little break from the madness, I don't know if there is room there for the five of them.  We are talking a 1200 sq foot area + whatever that camper is.  I can't see her being comfortable with the 4M's in that camper.  I wonder if it even has air conditioning.  Good grief.  It's hot as Hades in Florida this time of year.  

 

I agree with anyone that said they think Josh has more dirty little secrets to come to the surface any day now.  I think it is part of the reason he admitted guilt so quickly.  Waiting for the pics and vids to surface and what type of trash he could possibly coerce into being with dough boy.  Anyone want to place bets as to if you think dick pics will come to light?  lol  YUCK!  Hey, even Brett Farve did it and he has half a lick of sense.  Josh has .00000001.  Mommy and Daddy better have some serious anxiety meds on hand. 

[HumblePi]

Now that my initial surprise, revulsion and shock of Josh's admission has settled down, I think I'm more able to react in a less emotional manner. Now I can stick out my neck about my thoughts and anticipate that it will be chopped off a bit, and that's okay too.

 

I'm just going to put it out there. I really can't blame Josh entirely for what he turned into. It's not his fault that he happened to have life's misfortune of being the firstborn child of nineteen. People who have three, four or more children know that the firstborn is treated differently. They are expected to be perfect in every way. Parents are usually harder on firstborns than subsequent children. New parents are venturing into a unknown territory and want to do everything the right way according to what they 'think' is the right way to raise a child. Many firstborn kids are lectured too much, disciplined too hard, overprotected and expected to be role models and responsible for their younger siblings. So many issues like anxiety, obsessive-compulsive traits and anger are more likely to remain with a firstborn child and linger into adulthood.

 

When Josh was only two years old, Michelle gave birth to the twins Jana and John-David. (A two year old is still a baby in my book) Suddenly Josh's 'babyhood' was removed and replaced by two infants. By the time Josh was five years old, he had FIVE siblings. At the very tender and impressionable age of five, Josh was already competing for the attention of his parents with five other siblings. I'm pretty sure Michelle and Jim Bob gave Josh a lot of responsibilities even at that young age. Josh was their first and their 'model child' and the experiment started with him. All the fundamentalist stringency applied to Josh being the firstborn and it was applied to the max. Guilt and shame was used to prevent Josh from doing anything they thought was 'wrong' or 'improper'.  Should we really be surprised and shocked that Josh developed unnatural and unacceptable sexual behaviors? I think it was inevitable and unavoidable considering the fact that no matter what, Josh was only a normal human little boy that never had the chance to reach adulthood totally unscathed emotionally.

Edited August 22, 2015 by HumblePi

[Julia]

For whatever little it's worth, I think some children are born to the wrong parents. Under other circumstances, I think Josh could have been a very different person. Under the circumstances he had, with the influences he had, he turned out to be Josh. As far as we know, none of his other siblings have become Josh, though, so I think it was a combination of who he was born and how he was raised. It's (vaguely) possible that the child Jim Bob and Michelle should have had first is out there somewhere destroying his life because he grew up isolated and there wasn't enough structure and discipline in his life.

Edited August 22, 2015 by Julia