S08.E14: The Benefits Of Friendship

[dosodog]

1 hour ago, eurekagirl mOo said:

Well I thought Bethanny looked great at her Skinny Girl event. She was wearing Skinny Girl RED and having a good time. God for her. And I LOVED the wig hair cut. 

Bravo does NOT get any share of Bethannys money from SG. She was the first one to hit it big and it was AFTER that that Bravo started putting in there contracts that they get a cut of housewives goodies. So score another one for Bethanny! 

So this Skinny Girl stuff is real?  As in real real and not reality real? I have never seen a Skinny Girl product on a store shelf ever.  Is it regional?  Or nationwide?

[ButterQueen]

2 minutes ago, dosodog said:

So this Skinny Girl stuff is real?  As in real real and not reality real? I have never seen a Skinny Girl product on a store shelf ever.  Is it regional?  Or nationwide?

It's real.  Made Bethenny very rich.  Google it.

[HunterHunted]

1 minute ago, dosodog said:

So this Skinny Girl stuff is real?  As in real real and not reality real? I have never seen a Skinny Girl product on a store shelf ever.  Is it regional?  Or nationwide?

Never seen it. How is that even possible? It's a nationwide dealio. I live in Texas. When she first sold the wine and spirits, I saw it everywhere. The spirits you can still find in most liquor stores. The wines and some products in many grocery stores. The other products you can find at many TJ Maxx's. 

[motorcitymom65]

29 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Sonja is jealous of Luann.  She said as much in Montana regarding Luann's settlement, she made an ass out of herself at Luann's holiday party talking to Jacques, they showed a clip last night of Sonja getting worked up over Luann waiving at Harry.  Sonja had her attack moment with the facialist and her spreading the rumors about Luann and Carole.  To the point they ended Season 6 not on a good note.  Then there was Sonja and Ramona screwing up the Natalie Cole cruise with 56 year old Ramona needing to take a pregnancy test-provided by Sonja during the cruise.  So yes these ladies Ramona and Sonja behave in very immature petulant ways to one up Luann.  You can be jealous and still be friends.  Sonja needs to own that she wants what Luann has-a partner to share her life with. 

How did Bethenny know Sonja and Tom dated?  Sonja had to have told Ramona (who didn't know) or production told Bethenny.  Why does Bethenny find it interesting?  I could see if Tom had spent time in prison for securities fraud or been engaged 19 times ala Danielle Staub, but collectively, the only one who knows Tom is Dorinda. 

Bethenny has admitted now she was rough on Sonja-so the best thing to do is to drive a wedge between Sonja and Luann.  It doesn't take a genius to figure out all you have to do with Sonja is mention a guy and she will have been there and done that bigger and better than Luann or anyone else.  I hope Luann can move forward with Sonja and not let Bethenny win. 

Last season it was about Luann not be accepting to Carole dating Adam and what an awful person she was and is.  This season when the others have the opportunity to prove they would never do such a thing-they are doing exactly what they condemned Luann for-all except Carole. 

The most important issue is why does Bethenny have to have an opinion about someone else's relationship.  She claims it is some sort of duty to be skeptical.  Skeptical of what?  Luann has not asked for these women's advice so why do they feel the need to give it?  Nothing is worse than a person who feels the need to crap on another's happiness. 

Why did Ramona or Production have to have told Beth? Why couldn't Dorinda have done it? Sonja told Dorinda about it and Dorinda said that she didn't think Lu knew. Why couldn't Jules have told her? Maybe Sonja told her when they were hanging out. Maybe Sonja told Carole, or mentioned to the group when they were at Carole's event last week. I never go the impression that Ramona didn't know they had a relationship, but that she didn't know it went on for 10 years or that Sonja was going to announce it at the dinner. I think they all knew about the relationship, it was the longevity of the relationship that was a surprise. 

Beth gets to have an opinion for the same reason that anyone else does. Why do we get to have an opinion? We don't know any of these people, yet most of us have plenty of thoughts about them. So much so that we spend time in our busy days commenting on what we think about these people that we have never even met. Why would we watch a show where none of the gals expressed an opinion about what anyone else was doing? Having an opinion about what the people around you are doing is fairly common, IMO. 

Edited July 7, 2016 by motorcitymom65

[SweetieDarling]

13 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

Never seen it. How is that even possible? It's a nationwide dealio. I live in Texas. When she first sold the wine and spirits, I saw it everywhere. The spirits you can still find in most liquor stores. The wines and some products in many grocery stores. The other products you can find at many TJ Maxx's. 

I live in MD and I've only ever seen SkinnyGirl products on tv.  I have checked grocery store snack and beverage aisles and drink mix sections out of curiosity.  The closest thing I found was a brand called Skinny Pop popcorn, and I laughed aloud wondering if she went ballistic on that company like she treated Sonja.  I haven't checked the wine store -I do know they carry Ramona's pinot grigio.

Edited July 7, 2016 by AnitaKnight

[HunterHunted]

1 minute ago, AnitaKnight said:

I live in MD and I've only ever seen SkinnyGirl products on tv.  I have checked grocery store snack aisles and drink mix sections out of curiosity.  The closest thing I found was a brand called Skinny Pop popcorn, and I laughed aloud wondering if she went ballistic on that company like she treated Sonja.  I haven't checked the wine store -I do know they carry Ramona's pinot grigio.

Too funny. I've never seen Ramona's pinot grigio. I have always assumed that it was a tristate product. I have seen in Texas Lisa Vanderpump's sangria and the Manzo's BLK water.

[Boofish]

I see SkinnyGirl products everywhere in Texas (Houston) especially liquor stores. They have some pretty impressive displays. I actually love the peach mojito (don't judge me!!)

[Beden]

Yes, the drinks are in NJ as well but now tend to be in the back, not up front in prime positions. I walked past the margaritas to the Captain Morgan...much better stuff.

[zoeysmom]

2 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Sonja did talk to Lu about Tom in the kitchen, but she said very little. She said she had "known him forever". She went into more detail in her TH, but she said none of those things directly to Lu. She said nothing to Lu about ever even having slept with him. Lu said in her TH that Tom had said they had slept together, but Lu said that it was a brief "wham bang thank you" kind of thing. She was clearly hearing that they had been sleeping together for 10 years for the first time, and no question, it's not the kind of thing you want to learn of in a group setting. Lu is acting like she doesn't care - that what he did before he met her doesn't matter - but I find it hard to believe that she wouldn't care if the guy was lying to her. My guess is that she will chose to believe what she wants, no matter what the truth is. 

I could under the necessity of bringing it up if Sonja and Tom had been an item or in a relationship.  Just be acquainted with someone isn't necessarily a friend, it just means you know them.  I guess it just goes to Sonja's mental illness with her delusions where she somehow has to be important in someone else's relationship.  Sonja could have said, "I have known him for 10 years. we went out a few times."  Where it fails for Sonja is for eight of the ten years, she has been around these women and Tom has never come up.  I believe when Sonja was on WWHL, Tom texted that his liaison with Sonja was when she was drinking.  Sonja then kept back pedaling saying stupid things like, "no one does this just once."  Well I am sure there are lots of one night wonders with Sonja.  So Tom did take a stand with Sonja and her assertions-and he should not have to if Sonja would just not be so desperate.

Edited July 7, 2016 by zoeysmom

[ryebread]

I've seen the booze and the popcorn.  None of the sweets, though.  I wonder if Dylan's Candy Bar really carries her stuff.

Years ago I saw some bubble bath with Beth's logo slapped on.

[njbchlover]

54 minutes ago, ryebread said:

It reminded me of a giant, individually wrapped Maxi Pad.  Might've come in handy.

Ha-ha-ha.....thanks, Ryebread, for making me clean my screen from spewed tea!!!  Best laugh of the day!   :-)

Edited July 7, 2016 by njbchlover

[njbchlover]

27 minutes ago, AnitaKnight said:

I live in MD and I've only ever seen SkinnyGirl products on tv.  I have checked grocery store snack and beverage aisles and drink mix sections out of curiosity.  The closest thing I found was a brand called Skinny Pop popcorn, and I laughed aloud wondering if she went ballistic on that company like she treated Sonja.  I haven't checked the wine store -I do know they carry Ramona's pinot grigio.

I've seen Skinny Girl products (not the wine and alcoholic drek drinks) at Target stores here....breakfast bars, etc.  I actually bought the Skinny Girl Stevia (it was on clearance at Target last summer), and it left a terrible after taste in my mouth, unlike any other stevia products I have used.  

Maybe that is why Bethenny is so nasty this season - she's overdosing on Skinny Girl crap and it's leaving her with an awful taste in her mouth and a sour stomach??  

Edited July 7, 2016 by njbchlover

[ryebread]

15 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Beth gets to have an opinion for the same reason that anyone else does. Why do we get to have an opinion? We don't know any of these people, yet most of us have plenty of thoughts about them. So much so that we spend time in our busy days commenting on what we think about these people that we have never even met. 

I agree with you.  We all get an opinion.  But just like when we're reading here, and someone's way of expressing an opinion just rubs you the wrong way, every single time - that's when the ignore button comes in handy.  This is how it is with Beth for me. It's not just because she's usually mean when she's expressing an opinion, it's her voice.  Like nails on a chalkboard.  LOUD nails on a chalkboard.

The mute button on my TV remote comes as close to an ignore button as it gets for now - but in the future a bonafide ignore button would be nice. Program it to automatically blank out the voice of the person that irritates me.  Would come in handy during these Housewives shows.  And the presidential debates.

[abbottrabbit]

27 minutes ago, AnitaKnight said:

I live in MD and I've only ever seen SkinnyGirl products on tv.  I have checked grocery store snack and beverage aisles and drink mix sections out of curiosity.  The closest thing I found was a brand called Skinny Pop popcorn, and I laughed aloud wondering if she went ballistic on that company like she treated Sonja.  I haven't checked the wine store -I do know they carry Ramona's pinot grigio.

They're around in DC -- if y'all have managed to stop us bringing it across the border, more power to you. If you want to track them down in their natural habitats, try Harris-Teeter for the popcorn and wines, or Target for the wines and booze. (I feel like I saw the sangria at the Chevy Chase World Market one time, but that was when it first came out and was more popular).

[zoeysmom]

12 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Why did Ramona or Production have to have told Beth? Why couldn't Dorinda have done it? Sonja told Dorinda about it and Dorinda said that she didn't think Lu knew. Why couldn't Jules have told her? Maybe Sonja told her when they were hanging out. Maybe Sonja told Carole, or mentioned to the group when they were at Carole's event last week. I never go the impression that Ramona didn't know they had a relationship, but that she didn't know it went on for 10 years or that Sonja was going to announce it at the dinner. I think they all knew about the relationship, it was the longevity of the relationship that was a surprise. 

Beth gets to have an opinion for the same reason that anyone else does. Why do we get to have an opinion? We don't know any of these people, yet most of us have plenty of thoughts about them. So much so that we spend time in our busy days commenting on what we think about these people that we have never even met. Why would we watch a show where none of the gals expressed an opinion about what anyone else was doing? Having an opinion about what the people around you are doing is fairly common, IMO. 

I will take these one at a time:  Okay Dorinda, Ramona or production.  I don't recall the Dorinda/Sonja discussion about Tom.  More importantly, why would Bethenny bring it up?  She said you three have dated lots of the same guys.  Well that lots is ONE.  Tom.  Bethenny has admitted she was stirring the pot.

I am sorry I just don't like people who crap on someone else's relationship for no apparent purpose.  I don't think highly of Bethenny and her opinions. Does she want to break them up so Luann is out dating more and more guys to give Bethenny more material?    Bethenny has never met Tom so why is she weighing in?  She hates Luann so why does she think her opinion is welcome or matters to anyone.  She does it because she is bitter, angry woman who can't stand to see anyone happy.  I am surprised when learning where Tom's home is that Bethenny didn't insert her superior knowledge of real estate.  What does Bethenny want Luann to talk about?  There is a drought of interesting topics with thee ladies.  Carole and Bethenny have dog weddings and fibroids.  Adding the word vagina at every opportunity doesn't make it anymore interesting.

I don't know a lot friends work or otherwise who maintain a friendship by questioning a friend's choice of mates or dishing up the dirt on their past.  It serves no purpose.  The idea being if they end up together or married you look like a fool for being a doubter and probably owe them an apology. 

This is a Forum for opinions.

[jinjer]

I love that Luann threw in that he lives on the UES in a Penthouse! Did she say a terrace too? hahahaha

[njbchlover]

I noticed last night, at the dinner get together, when Ramona came in - they were all talking so fast and furious - the only person who's voice you could really hear above all others was Bethenny's.  

I also noticed that Ramona, one of her new bff's (due to the visits to Bethenny's sick bed), was also not immune from a nasty comment.  Bethenny said something like "Take off your Chanel coat from 1937 and sit down" in the middle of the sex conversations.  Now, to me, that was very passive-aggressive.  Bethenny is noting that Ramona is wearing a Chanel coat, but also giving a dig that it wasn't that great, because it was vintage.  As usual, her tone was condescending and insulting. 

I don't know if Ramona's coat was truly a vintage Chanel, but I thought it was gorgeous.  

[BananaRama]

Luann is in the love bubble.  Haven't we all been so in love that we want to spend all of our time with our significant other and our girlfriends complain that you aren't spending enough time with them?  Let Luann enjoy this time with Tom.

[autumnh]

Here in the Great Lakes you can find Skinny Girl everything in just about every Grocery/Wal Mart/Meijer/Walgreens etc

[LIMOM]

4 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

This surprises me. I remember the reunion after the Pirate Deal. She had been speaking French on the phone when she was busted. Andy told her he had had many comments regarding how poorly she spoke French. She said that she'd only ever spoke it casually and was not very good at it. 

She is not fluent in French at all. Luann does not have a Quebecois accent, she sounds like a High schooler practicing her French, imo.

[ryebread]

When Dorinda, Ramona and Carole were at Beth's apartment spilling the Vanilla Latte Tea, Beth said, 

"Ramona and Dorinda have been really compassionate and really interested in my medical condition. I get texts from them every day."   (Imo, their interest is more about them knowing which side of their bread is buttered.)

Anyway....maybe she left Carole out of that statement because A.) Carole has been interested and compassionate by default or B.) She didn't appreciate Carole reminding her that if Beth has the surgery, "you'll be cut open and all your organs placed on your stomach."   Nice way to reassure your anxious friend, Radzi. 

Even Ramona - who suffers from the WORST diarrhea of the mouth, coffee or no coffee - knew to shush her.

[LIMOM]

21 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

I noticed last night, at the dinner get together, when Ramona came in - they were all talking so fast and furious - the only person who's voice you could really hear above all others was Bethenny's.  

I also noticed that Ramona, one of her new bff's (due to the visits to Bethenny's sick bed), was also not immune from a nasty comment.  Bethenny said something like "Take off your Chanel coat from 1937 and sit down" in the middle of the sex conversations.  Now, to me, that was very passive-aggressive.  Bethenny is noting that Ramona is wearing a Chanel coat, but also giving a dig that it wasn't that great, because it was vintage.  As usual, her tone was condescending and insulting. 

I don't know if Ramona's coat was truly a vintage Chanel, but I thought it was gorgeous.  

She is also frequently insulting her co stars on her radio show as well.

[Bronzedog]

Skinny Girl is in the Maryland suburbs of DC.  I've seen it in liquor stores and the popcorn at the Giant.  Never bought any of it, though.

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

No One On The Real Housewives Of New York City Is Happy For LuAnn

The other women are definitely cool to LuAnn. Okay, more like ice-cold. What does a Countess have to do for the bitches in her life to be happy for her?

[The Mighty Peanut]

I live in MI and see SG all the time. I saw SG popcorn and chocolate last night at Wal Mart. I've seen a lot of stuff at CVS including booze, flavored water, granola bars, fake sugar, flavored electrolytes, etc. Honestly, they're usually on the clearance rack and I'm not even trying to throw shade (though I'm obviously not above it). 

I can't get away from Skinny Girl! 

[izabella]

1 hour ago, dosodog said:

So this Skinny Girl stuff is real?  As in real real and not reality real? I have never seen a Skinny Girl product on a store shelf ever.  Is it regional?  Or nationwide?

This is the biggest mystery to me.  Aside from some Jim Beam margarita bottles I USED to see, I have never once ever seen a SK product of any kind anywhere.   Yet, from all her many, many product placements and launches on this show, I should be seeing something somewhere, right?

[QuinnM]

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I live in MI and see SG all the time. I saw SG popcorn and chocolate last night at Wal Mart. I've seen a lot of stuff at CVS including booze, flavored water, granola bars, fake sugar, flavored electrolytes, etc. Honestly, they're usually on the clearance rack and I'm not even trying to throw shade (though I'm obviously not above it). 

I see a lot of it all around.  The popcorn is at Target although that is the only product I see there.  I see the flavored water at Wal Mart.  I know that the latest stuff, protein drink, new bars, kuerig tea and candy is not in stores yet but you can get it online.  I have a friend that loves the protein drink and orders it all the time.  I like the look of the teas but I wouldn't order them online without trying them.

The liquor stores carrying her line have switched here in MN.  Ones that did carry them don't and a whole different set do.  But they don't have the watermelon margarita yet.  There was a big distribution switch up or something right around the time that Jose Cuervo came out with their margarita.

I was told by a buyer that when SG dumps a item or manufacturer they and other discount chains (CVS?) snap them up because they sell.

[bichonblitz]

56 minutes ago, jinjer said:

 

I love that Luann threw in that he lives on the UES in a Penthouse! Did she say a terrace too? hahahaha

 

This is why Lu is so over the moon with Tom. It's what the man HAS, not the man himself. She's positively a giddy schoolgirl just thinking that she will never again have to slum it by sleeping over at Sonja's when she's in the city. Once again, she will be an important player with her house in the  Hamptons and the penthouse in the city, married to a wealthy man again and no stresses about being single and 50.    I don't like Lu because in my opinion she's 100% superficial. 

[WireWrap]

3 hours ago, Boofish said:

I was all for Lu until she said "I don't care who Tom was with before me. I don't care who he slept with. What matters is that we are together now and happy. Why are you bringing up the past. He was a bachelor in NYC and was free to date whomever he pleases. Why can't you be happy for me because you are my friend." Now just repeat those words to Carole (sincerely). Carole didn't even know your niece but you break bread regularly with two women who had relations with the man you are about to marry. I don't think she should fall on her knees at the altar of Carole and Bethenny but hypocrite much?

Well, Carole did know Luann's niece, Nicole, but they were not 'friends" (she only knew her through Luann but they did know each other). Also, Luann did apologize to Carole at Ramona's party and it was a sincere apology at that. Yes it was simple and she didn't go into any details but it was real/heartfelt and Carole even said that to Bethenny. I think that was the reason that Carole gave Luann support for her/Tom instead of jumping in on the bash them train that Bethenny spearheaded and you could see that B was surprised/not happy that Carole expressed something different than what B expressed. LOL

[Bluedog100]

Wait....Ramona reads???

[teapot]

1 hour ago, autumnh said:

Here in the Great Lakes you can find Skinny Girl everything in just about every Grocery/Wal Mart/Meijer/Walgreens etc

I'm in Massachusetts, where we have "prohibition"  (ie no alcohol in stores not designated for such.)  Whenever I'm in NH visiting my mom I'm walking thru CVS like a loon, "I'm buying BEER!  this is FANTASTIC!!!!"

[dosodog]

  2 hours ago, dosodog said:

So this Skinny Girl stuff is real?  As in real real and not reality real? I have never seen a Skinny Girl product on a store shelf ever.  Is it regional?  Or nationwide?

Never seen it. How is that even possible? It's a nationwide dealio. I live in Texas. When she first sold the wine and spirits, I saw it everywhere. The spirits you can still find in most liquor stores. The wines and some products in many grocery stores. The other products you can find at many TJ Maxx's. 

I live in Washington. On the Olympic Peninsula. Maybe we don't carry it here. I did work at a liquor store and we carried Jim Beam products, but nothing called Skinny Girl.

[Maccagirl]

14 hours ago, izabella said:

Ramona does not have an ounce of rhythm.  Mrs. Wiggins and Elaine Benis rolled into one.

Oh my gawd - that is hysterical.  What a visual gift you just gave me!!!  THANK YOU!

[SweetieDarling]

1 hour ago, Bronzedog said:

Skinny Girl is in the Maryland suburbs of DC.  I've seen it in liquor stores and the popcorn at the Giant.  Never bought any of it, though.

I haven't seen it at all in the Baltimore area

[pbutler111]

  2 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

  2 hours ago, dosodog said:

So this Skinny Girl stuff is real?  As in real real and not reality real? I have never seen a Skinny Girl product on a store shelf ever.  Is it regional?  Or nationwide?

Never seen it. How is that even possible? It's a nationwide dealio. I live in Texas. When she first sold the wine and spirits, I saw it everywhere. The spirits you can still find in most liquor stores. The wines and some products in many grocery stores. The other products you can find at many TJ Maxx's. 

I live in Washington. On the Olympic Peninsula. Maybe we don't carry it here. I did work at a liquor store and we carried Jim Beam products, but nothing called Skinny Girl.

You can use their product locator. There are 18 places on the Olympic Peninsula that carry Skinny Girl products, about 165 around Seattle, etc.

http://skinnygirlcocktails.com/?product_locator=true&utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc&utm_campaign=int_general&utm_term=skinnygirl&gclid=COaC6beG4s0CFYOBaQodkWIPNg

[ghoulina]

This season is disappointing me. It used to be my favorite HW show, and I guess it still is....but...the redundancy is killing me. I do not give one more shit about who Lu is marrying and who he used to bang. I give no shits about Bethenny or Jules's vaginas. I'm sorry they had troubles and I hope they're feeling better, but enough already. And I'm quite over Beth vs. Lu vs. Carole vs. Sonja - whoever the fuck is fighting with whomever. There are some valid grievances in the mix, for sure, but we've been talking about this shit all season and I want to die. 

The best parts of this episode to me were Sonja and Ramona dancing, Dorinda's Ramona impression, and Carole wearing purple, leather gloves indoors. 

The other stuff? Stupid and stale. 

[parisprincess]

Bethenny's passive-aggressive remark about Ramona's Chanel coat is just, once again, her attempt at being oh so clever and amusing. All of her nasty digs are disguised as jokes, so no one should ever be offended, or so she thinks. She'd better stick to her Skinny Shit business, because she's not nearly as hilarious as she thinks she is.

[Neurochick]

17 hours ago, escatefromny said:

It is a real chicken/egg thing with LuAnn for me.  I don't like how she is being treated and ganged up on by the "ladies" but God, she is insufferable and self centered.  

No more self-centered than BetheME.  And how dare Bethenny call anybody else narcissistic, I guess she's never looked in a mirror.  

I detest Carole.  The truth is, if she had a son Adam's age, she'd cringe at a woman her age dating him.  She took offense when Luann said that to her, but Luann was just speaking the truth IMO.

Bethenny's pissed because if Luann gets married SHE might get her own Bravo show.

What did Jules do to her vagina?  I must have missed that.  

Here's my thing.  Bethenny, Ramona, Sonja, Carole give a lot of lip service, they act like they have no problem being single and I'd believe them, if they didn't tear down the boyfriends of both Luann and Dorinda.  I don't like Dorinda's boyfriend, but she likes him and really that's all that matters.  

[ryebread]

19 minutes ago, parisprincess said:

She'd better stick to her Skinny Shit business, because she's not nearly as hilarious as she thinks she is.

Wait a second. You mean you weren't busting a gut over Bethenny talking about "just the tip" for the 37th time?

[ghoulina]

21 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

What did Jules do to her vagina?  I must have missed that.

She hurt is crawling through a window and developed a rather large hematomato (her words, not mine). No word, as of yet, on WHY she was climbing through a window. 

[zoeysmom]

Jules is not a happy camper.  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-8/blogs/julianne-wainstein/jules-it-takes-a-lot-to-get

Ramona just seems like a fish out of water.  She has this grandiose idea that she is some sort of fixer.  She always seems to forget that absolutely no one with a brain would ever follow her lead in life about interpersonal relationships.  She had zero reason to go back to Carole with her Luann conversation. Luann took the next step and invited Carole for dinner and Carole didn't even have the courtesy to RSVP-that would send a pretty clear signal that she wants nothing to so with Luann.   I can never tell if Ramona is being passive aggressive by showing up late or she just doesn't have the social graces to sit through a whole meal. 

Ramona seems almost desperate to pull Sonja and Luann into the mix and they just have no desire to follow her rules.  I guess a bus to Mohegan Sun should solve Ramona's issues.  I was glad to see Luann call her out on her bullshit.  Of course I guess she just doesn't get it because she continues to harangue Luann. http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-8/episode-15/videos/luann-knows-when-she-knows  Ramona stories and sources keep changing.  I laugh at Ramona being disappointed in someone else's behavior.  The most socially inept person ever.  This would be the same woman who tells of crawling across a table to get between a man she and Luann just met. 

It just feels like there was a production meeting and the cast was ordered to live up to their contracts and stop the boycotting Sonja and Luann.  It sounds so lame when they speak of Luann not being a good girlfriend when the past six episodes have been devoted (including a vote) to exclude Luann from activities and not showing up at her parties.  I get no one wants to hear anymore about Tom and Luann but there is a way to handle it and here's the clue, talk about someone else's happiness instead of fibroids, Jules' eating disorder and Ramona. 

[tvfanatic13]

Is there something wrong with Luanne's mouth when she talks? Has this always been the case and I am now first noticing it?

I played my own drinking game every time they said vagina and I was in a stupor.

[motorcitymom65]

27 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

No more self-centered than BetheME.  And how dare Bethenny call anybody else narcissistic, I guess she's never looked in a mirror.  

I detest Carole.  The truth is, if she had a son Adam's age, she'd cringe at a woman her age dating him.  She took offense when Luann said that to her, but Luann was just speaking the truth IMO.

Bethenny's pissed because if Luann gets married SHE might get her own Bravo show.

What did Jules do to her vagina?  I must have missed that.  

Here's my thing.  Bethenny, Ramona, Sonja, Carole give a lot of lip service, they act like they have no problem being single and I'd believe them, if they didn't tear down the boyfriends of both Luann and Dorinda.  I don't like Dorinda's boyfriend, but she likes him and really that's all that matters.  

When did Carole tear down Dorinda or Lu's boyfriend? She couldn't have been nicer to Lu last night, and has said that if Dorinda loves John that people should leave them alone. It seems like Carole always just gets lumped in with other people, even when she is just sitting quietly minding her own business. 

[ryebread]

30 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

The best parts of this episode to me were Sonja and Ramona dancing, Dorinda's Ramona impression, and Carole wearing purple, leather gloves indoors. 

The best part for me was the glimpse of the giant meatballs at Joanne Trattoria.  I'm going there.

I loved the dance scene.  Ramona is hopeless in the dance department. Sonja seems very fluid, although a little gangly. 

I would have liked Sonja when we were both in our 20s.  She can be funny and sweet.  I think the marriage changed her, as they sometimes do, and not for the better.  But the 20-something Sonja, looking for a good time in late 80's Manhattan?  My kind of people.  Back then. I moved out of NYC for a reason.  TOO much fun.

[SnarkKitty]

4 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

No two situations are ever the same. There are certainly differences, but it is impossible to ignore the similarities. So what becomes more important? The differences or the similarities?

In both the case of Adam/Carole and Lu/Tom, the guy had had relationships of some sort with another woman known to them.

In both cases the relationships were either over, or had never been much to begin with. Sonja claims she was friend with benefits for 10 years. Lu claimed last season that while Adam and her niece had broken up months before, that they were still friends with benefits. She never denied that both had moved on. 

Lu knew that Tom had slept with Sonja, and had gone out with Ramona. True, for whatever reason she denied knowing about Ramona and Tom, but I find it hard to believe that anyone would buy that story. It was reported in the press months before filming began that Ramona had a new love interest. The reporting made it sound like it had the potential to be serious, and that they had been out 6 or so times. 

Carole waited a week to tell Lu about the Adam deal (Lu didn't seem to mind much at the time, but went bat shit crazy about it a year later on Twitter). Lu waited several weeks before she told anyone about Tom, and didn't expect that anyone would be upset about it. He was no longer in a relationship with either woman, so why would they care? 

Lu doesn't care what Tom did before he met her. She has said it over and over again. It just doesn't matter to her. She expects people to be happy for her if they are her friends. Carole didn't care who Adam had gone out with before her, and expected for her friends to be happy for her. 

Both women fell hard and they fell fast. Neither one wanted to be judged harshly for falling in love. Lu is lucky in that she is facing the firestorm live and in person. She gets to make her grand statements and make others look foolish on the show (I loved what she said to Ramona). Carole wasn't so fortunate. Lu acted like she still cared about her, vacationed with her, had fun with her, etc., but viciously went after her on Twitter almost a year later. Carole didn't have the opportunity to state her case, share her feelings, or defend her relationship on the show the way Lu does now. Therein lies the biggest difference between the two situations. 

4 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I agree with all of this, and one could easily substitute the name "Carole" for "Lu". 

As you say, it's hard for a 52 year old woman living in NY (or anywhere for that matter) to find someone who makes them happy. Carole has also been through a lot. Divorce is hard, but so is burying your husband. Would have been nice if Lu would have treated Carole in the same manner that Lu wants to be treated. If she would have said "she is my friend and she has had a hard time of it and I am just happy for her". She didn't. She went after her in a way that she has never gone after anyone before. Yet there Carole was last night. The only one who seemed truly happy for her (and this was according to Lu). I don't dislike Lu all the time, there are things about her that I really like, but Carole is a far superior person than Lu is, IMO, and she proved that last night. 

Excellent! Thank you for this, you've done yeoman's work and saved me some time. Lu is a hypocrite in this case because she can say "IDGAF who he dated before me (friends/co-workers included), we're together now" and that's okay. Carole says "it doesn't matter who Adam dated before me (friend's relatives included)" and she's treated like the worst person ever - by LU.

3 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

Too funny. I've never seen Ramona's pinot grigio. I have always assumed that it was a tristate product. I have seen in Texas Lisa Vanderpump's sangria and the Manzo's BLK water.

I was gonna say maybe I see SG products a lot because I'm in NYC ... but then, so is Ramona and I've never seen her stuff, ever.

I'm sick of seeing the non-stop promotion though, geeze. I bought one bottle once as a gift, like 4-5 years ago for a Housewife loving friend. I tried some, hence the one bottle lifetime purchase.

[Ms Blue Jay]

I only just started watching this show.  I've watched all of Season 8 in a very fast whirlwind.  I'm a big fan of Dorinda and Jules.

I think Dorinda is just so, so beautiful.  The sequence of her without any makeup and smiling.  She was so luminous.  I find her so attractive.  Anyway.  I don't have much to contribute in terms of "plot".

I'm sure this has been rehashed but it's hard for me to take Ramona seriously when she simultaneously looks both like Kathy Lee Gifford and Mariah Carey (I am a HUGE fan of the latter.)  Sonya looks very much to me like Glenn Close mixed with Meryl Streep's lookalike daughters.

I can't believe Carole was a friend of CBK's.  I'm obsessed with CBK.  Carole.... sucks so bad :(  If only CBK was still alive so I could see how glamourous she would be today.

[Sew Sumi]

6 hours ago, Slider said:

That was a clutch Bethenny was carrying to the SG event?  It looked like a package of stay moist baby wet wipes.

With the red, I just assumed it was another of her bloody pillows. 

[WireWrap]

37 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

When did Carole tear down Dorinda or Lu's boyfriend? She couldn't have been nicer to Lu last night, and has said that if Dorinda loves John that people should leave them alone. It seems like Carole always just gets lumped in with other people, even when she is just sitting quietly minding her own business. 

Carole bad mouthed John early in the season when she and Bethenny were talking and in a TH, it was mostly about his physical looks, not his personality, and she was not kind at all. I don't remember her saying anything negative about Tom just spoke on the fact that he has dated/been with Ramona,Sonja and Luann small world kind of comment. She was very supportive to Luann on last nights episode which was nice to see.

[ghoulina]

47 minutes ago, ryebread said:

I loved the dance scene.  Ramona is hopeless in the dance department. Sonja seems very fluid, although a little gangly. 

Yes, I think Sonja could have really held her own, if she took more lessons. Ramona was a hopeless cause, but as long as she's having fun, I'm all for it!

[trimthatfat]

1 hour ago, parisprincess said:

Bethenny's passive-aggressive remark about Ramona's Chanel coat is just, once again, her attempt at being oh so clever and amusing. All of her nasty digs are disguised as jokes, so no one should ever be offended, or so she thinks. She'd better stick to her Skinny Shit business, because she's not nearly as hilarious as she thinks she is.

And when people don't catch her joke the first time or laugh hard enough, she repeats it or tries to say it in a different way. A comedienne, she is not.