S08.E13: Steel Calzones

[Misslindsey]

I will be at my table for one, but I did not think Bethenny said anything terrible to Jules at the pizza place. I was with Bethenny when she said kept saying "I need a verb" to Jules. She was saying what I was thinking, just spit it out already Jules. I also, did not think Bethenny's comment about not bringing Jules to the doctor was that bad either. Hell, I thought it was funny. Then again I still like Bethenny. I actually do not hate any of the NY women though.

I do think that Jules is more in the middle of her recovery than she admits. My college roommate suffered from an eating disorder and it was almost damned if you do, damed if you do not situation. Bringing up concerns with her or her family members and she would get mad, or do not and something could possibly happen.

When did Luann actually get engaged to Tom? She is engaged to him now, isn't she?

[WireWrap]

3 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

My guess is Jules was trying to be campy by putting the silverware in the calzone-a subtle revolt at being invited to such a mundane activity.  I was more concerned with Ramona's lack of manners.  Maybe Jules just doesn't like pizza or calzones.  It is a change of pace to have someone out there.  Maybe next week she will wear mismatched socks. 

In her blog she claims it was a "joke" but I'm not convinced it was. I do think Jules was trying to avoid eating anything, I think the stress of her failing marriage and being on the show may have been too much for her. That doesn't excuse what Bethenny/Carole said to her, the "verb" comment or the "weight" question though. They don't need to up her stress factor, it will only make it worse and Bethenny (out of all of them) is well aware of that.

[Knuckles]

Ramona trying to coach Luann on how to "handle" Bethenny and Carole...all the fun of watching a mark try to school a player. 

Bethenny and her stained pillow...it's show and tell, just like in elementary school. And handing a blood-soaked item to her driver was potentially dangerous to his health, as well as revolting.  No employee should be put in that position. 

Jules has a serious health issue. Eating disorders are not a matter for snark or nasty gossip. Watch old Beth spinning her fibroid story for all the sympathy she can garner, while mocking Jules. Yet another example of why no decent person would wish a friendship with this bitch.

[JAYJAY1979]

Watching the show tonight makes me realize I much prefer the OC with a better balance of family and group interaction.

[Umbelina]

Who goes around showing work acquaintances photos of your swollen and bruised vulva?  I mean, WHAT?

[ridethemaverick]

This season is so...gross. I no longer look directly at it. I'm dead serious. Ever since the dog poop in a cup I've been wary, but all the bloody vagina talk sent me over the edge. My instincts were on the money and they saved me from seeing the bloody pillow. I heard the talk (free Kevin!) but wasn't looking when it was shown.

I expect this stuff from OC but NY was supposed to be sophisticated. Barf.

[Trooper York]

Wait a minute. I haven't had a chance to see the rest of the episode. So Jules got a spoon stuck in her vagina and took a photo of it to show everyone? I'm confused.

[biakbiak]

I really want Kevin to take that "bloody" pillow (and seriously it was such a light pink stain) to John's dry cleaning place!

Eta: Why did Sonja have like eight bottles of Wesson oil in her basement? 

Edited June 30, 2016 by biakbiak

[Muffyn]

Jules most likely has a problem with her labia, not her vagina. I will also accept vulva.  Bethenny has a problem with her uterus. There is more to female-appearing genitalia than vaginas.  I may have to get them all a copy of Our Bodies, Our Selves and highlight a few pages. 

If they think Jules has an active eating disorder, they could express actual concern and talk to her about what they are seeing in a compassionate and caring way.  Or they could be useless, catty shrews and talk about her behind her back, make snarky comments to her, up her stress levels, and make her feel watched and criticized thereby making it more likely that she will get worse.  Guess we know where cathenny fall on this one. 

Dorinda’s coat reminded me of an afghan my mother crocheted in the early 70s.  Have I mentioned color vision issues run in my family?   

LuAnn for the win.  I’m done too.  Regardless of which HW show it is, it seems like people need to apologize and apologize and apologize forever. 

[zoeysmom]

If Carole needs more from Luann how would she expect Luann to know?  I would think the perfect time to say we need a further discussion would have been after the Ramona party a simple text/  Why wait a month?  Why not RSVP with why you aren't going?  I was always told it was important to RSVP - especially regrets.  Ramona is ridiculous-Luann does just fine without Carole and Bethenny.

[HumblePi]

Check out Jules face when the pizza come and she almost cringes taking a piece. Jules taking Adderall is a surprise because I don't know what doctor in their right mind would give her Adderall. It's for ADHD in kids usually but it's also one of the most widely abused drugs. It does increase dopamine levels and can trigger euphoria which I can see in Jules. She does have some major issues and it's not only anorexia. Carole is also right that some people take it specifically to lose weight because it kills a person's appetite.

[ninjago]

I feel like Luann has extended herself to appease what she sees as Carole's outsized anger and she's just not going to go any further.  It reminds me of LVP and Eileen: You have reason to be angry at me and I have apologized sincerely, but the level of my offense does not warrant me having to contort myself into a pretzel for you to accept my apology.  

[Muffyn]

36 minutes ago, Trooper York said:

Wait a minute. I haven't had a chance to see the rest of the episode. So Jules got a spoon stuck in her vagina and took a photo of it to show everyone? I'm confused.

Jules bruised her vulva climbing through a window.  She took a photo on her phone and showed the photo to the others at the pizza party.  Jules made a calzone rather than a pizza.  For some odd reason, she put silverware and a measuring cup into her calzone.  So no spoon in her vagina..  She called her lump/bruise her "peanut."

[BlackMamba]

I really hope Jules eating disorder hasnt came back with her current situation with her husband though.   Seeing how she was tonight made me nervous. 

Speaking of rude,  coming from the queen of rude,  Bethenny was really looking at Jules hard when she was eating.   I'm sure people with eating disorders hate that feeling.   Bethenny claims she had one she should know -  stop that shit. 

[For Cereals]

Have we gotten to the bottom of window-gate yet?  Jules is just weird to me and ITA that it wasn't a joke but a way to ruin her food like Jesus Juggs pouring ketchup on her sundae or injuring yourself on a window so that you can get more meds--don't they live in a fairly modern high rise?  Where do you find a window to climb through anyway unless it was from the debris on their other house with the pool in the living room...  I don't think Bethenny and Carole were being mean about the pizza or drugs...like also recognizes like...

Edited June 30, 2016 by Forcereals

[ivygirl]

I love that, in the Sonja purge scene, Dorinda was wearing a "What are you doing here without Dorinda?" shirt!

[biakbiak]

24 minutes ago, Forcereals said:

Have we gotten to the bottom of window-gate yet?  Jules is just weird to me and ITA that it wasn't a joke but a way to ruin her food like Jesus Juggs pouring ketchup on her sundae or injuring yourself on a window so that you can get more meds--don't they live in a fairly modern high rise?  Where do you find a window to climb through anyway unless it was from the debris on their other house with the pool in the living room...  I don't think Bethenny and Carole were being mean about the pizza or drugs...like also recognizes like...

They don't live in a modern high rise they have shown their outdoor space. However, she never stated she has dId it at home and I have  gone through many a window in NYC to get to an outdoor space.

Jules explained it in a way to Dorinda, she said Carole kept commenting (including asking her what her weight which we saw) about her selections and she felt judged so she acted out. Healthy? No. But neither was how Carole was dealing with her. Also, Jules is tall so I don't think she was even off about her weight.

Edited June 30, 2016 by biakbiak

[lunastartron]

1 hour ago, Misslindsey said:

I will be at my table for one, but I did not think Bethenny said anything terrible to Jules at the pizza place. I was with Bethenny when she said kept saying "I need a verb" to Jules. She was saying what I was thinking, just spit it out already Jules. I also, did not think Bethenny's comment about not bringing Jules to the doctor was that bad either. Hell, I thought it was funny. Then again I still like Bethenny. I actually do not hate any of the NY women though.

I do think that Jules is more in the middle of her recovery than she admits. My college roommate suffered from an eating disorder and it was almost damned if you do, damed if you do not situation. Bringing up concerns with her or her family members and she would get mad, or do not and something could possibly happen.

When did Luann actually get engaged to Tom? She is engaged to him now, isn't she?

I have yet to see Bethenny or Carole broach the subject of the eating disorder in a constructive and/or sensitive fashion to Jules herself.

Both have almost exclusively utilized the topic of the mental health of a woman they just met as fodder for speculation, negative commentary, and out-and-out shade in their talking heads and private dialogue between themselves.

It takes a special kind of sick bitch to weaponize and/or leverage for tittering the psychiatric struggles of an almost wholly innocuous and benign coworker. Especially while lamenting "misogyny" and/or shrieking at fellow women that "you're not a girl's girl."

Edited June 30, 2016 by lunastartron

[lunastartron]

22 minutes ago, Forcereals said:

Have we gotten to the bottom of window-gate yet?  Jules is just weird to me and ITA that it wasn't a joke but a way to ruin her food like Jesus Juggs pouring ketchup on her sundae or injuring yourself on a window so that you can get more meds--don't they live in a fairly modern high rise?  Where do you find a window to climb through anyway unless it was from the debris on their other house with the pool in the living room...  I don't think Bethenny and Carole were being mean about the pizza or drugs...like also recognizes like...

I'm unfamiliar with the nuances of the Wainstein's particular apartment but, in my personal experience, it is not at all uncommon to pop open a window and climb out onto the fire escape in Manhattan when craving a cigarette break. Granted, I and my social circle lived in either pre-war buildings or LES walkups. But I imagine it's potentially much more convenient for Jules to use the fire escape from the vantage of her own apartment rather than schlepping up to the roof for a smoke.

[bichonblitz]

Jules  calzone masterpiece was one of the weirdest things I have ever seen. The pained expression she had on her face while trying to take a tiny bite of that pizza was so disturbing. Then the scene of her talking to Dorinda in her kitchen a mile a minute , wow. She is definitely on Adderall.  This woman does not need to be laughed at, she needs serious help. 

It was nice to see Heather and Carole are still good friends. I was wondering if Bethenny and Caroles ass kissing friendship would have caused a problem ,  good to see it hasn't.

Edited June 30, 2016 by bichonblitz

[zoeysmom]

2 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Jules  calzone masterpiece was one of the weirdest things I have ever seen. The pained expression she had on her face while trying to take a tiny bite of that pizza was so disturbing. Then the scene of her talking to Dorinda in her kitchen a mile a minute , wow. She is definitely on Adderall.  This woman does not need to be laughed at, she needs serious help. 

I can only assume she was worse before therapy and the medication.  Her calzone creation was a joke and apparently it is not going over well.  I thought it was funny and I guess I am in the minority. 

[phoenix780]

I felt like tonight was more real than the show usually is. Sonja in the basement, Beth in her car, Jules with Dorinda, Luann admitting she gives no fucks. It was nice. 

I strangely like them all, though my mvp of the night was Dorinda, who is awesome when sober. 

[Jade Foxx]

5 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

I'm a pillow truther. I think Bethenny saw it and kept it aside to use it later when she was filming about how bad/scary her fibroids are. I think that Bethenny knows after a decade of boohooing how terrible her childhood and life were/are that she knows to bring a visual aid. See blood on a pillow. Gasp!!!! It's serious.

That pillow prank was so staged and pathetic. 

Millions of women (myself included) are diagnosed with fibroids, it happens, yes it's concerning, but completely fixable. I couldn't WAIT to have a hysterectomy, so I could be FREE. Have the surgery bitch, and STFU. 

Bethanny needs to stop acting like she's the specialist snow flake who ever flaked. 

Edited June 30, 2016 by Jade Foxx

[MaryTylerMoore]

Bethenny will apologize to Jules at the reunion and blame it on hormones. Poor, tongue-tied Jules will be unable to give her the dragging she so richly deserves. B's PR people are working overtime tonight; every single publication has the sad tale of her fibroids as if she's terminally ill. I had a hysterectomy 2 years ago. I had 8 fibroids in total, 2 of which were the size of full term twins. I worked everyday right up until surgery, so Bethenny can miss me with the whoa is  me routine. 

My RHONY Speculation:

Bethenny is Joan Crawford level crazy as a mom. Passive aggressive, emotionally abusive, constantly making Brynn tell her she loves her.

Ramona has sex with tons of men then showers 5x and goes to confession.

Edited June 30, 2016 by MaryTylerMoore

[CrinkleCutCat]

Bethenny, girl, you are doing my head in! I love the funny, witty, Greek chorus version of you. I am disappointed and unhappy with the miserable bitchiest bitch who ever bitched version. Unfortunately, the bitch in her is taking over. I felt so bad for Jules when Bethenny was so blunt to her face when she was stuttering out her story. "I need a verb". No, you need a dose of niceness. 

Someone needs to get Bethenny a flashlight so she can lighten up. <--- hee hee.... what a comedian!

[MaryTylerMoore]

3 hours ago, ninjago said:

 It reminds me of LVP and Eileen: You have reason to be angry at me and I have apologized sincerely

i love LVP's shady ass as much as the next person but that woman hasn't issued a sincere apology since RHOBH started lol. "I'm sorry for asking too many questions" = "I'm sorry for bringing up on camera an embarrassing moment in your life, but my minion was fired dahling"

Edited June 30, 2016 by MaryTylerMoore

[BlackMamba]

Jules definitely isn't happy with Carole and Bethenny in tonight's episode 

[charming]

Yeah sorry Jules is using past tense when it's clear she's still got a problem. Skinny is always positive! Drink my cleansing product!

[dianagerace]

8 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Imagine if she had to be with them always.  That's my worst nightmare.

Wow.  I guess Beth's hopes that Bryn ends up like her .... choosing to have no connection with what family she has.    She is one bitter unhappy woman.  Pretty sad.  The world is not perfect Beth and neither are you.  You need to take a very close look at your expectations of other people.  Maybe you're the one who has the problem.

I want to believe that she meant "imagine if I never got to see her grow up" or something along those lines. I WANT to believe that, but I don't.

[bosawks]

Do I want to watch Beth and Carole talk about another person's eating disorder?

In the poetic words of my favorite Bard, Kathryn Calhoun Dennis, "Nerp!"

[trimthatfat]

Bethenny looking at her bloody pillow in disgust and telling her driver, Kevin, to do something about it is the weirdest thing I've seen in a LONG time. Just wtf all around. I hope that he paid very generously for the job - I know he has stories to tell when he goes home at night. Kevin deserves a hug.

Jules is very odd. I thought her joking about putting pills in the pizza was just bizarre. She seemed completely serious. On a side note, I hate seeing people waste food when so many around this world go without. She could have made the calzone genuinely and brought it home to her husband and kids to enjoy. Ugh.

[Nanny pants]

God, Bethenny is fucking insufferable...the constant whining and criticizing.  She NEVER shuts up.  This show has become one long monologue for her reactions and opinions.  I'm beyond bored.

[CrinkleCutCat]

I think a fair bit of Jules' weirdness at the pizza dinner was due to her pain medication cocktail mixed with alcohol. I mean, she didn't even wait for Bethenny to sit down before she launched into telling her (trying to) about her injury. Her chat with Carole and the bit about pills on the pizza was a definitely odd too. Absolutely pills/drinks combo at play here.

I am infamous amongst my friends for one night when I mixed meds with alcohol (I didn't realise that it was a no no). I wish I could recall it because, according to what I have been told, I was crazy funny. And a lot of the funny was weird-didn't-make-sense but was actually hilarious! I have never had 'amnesia' before or since and I know I didn't over drink...it was just the effects from the combination of meds/alcohol (on top of a LOT of stress at the time).

Edited June 30, 2016 by CrinkleCutCat
Adding extra words

[beeziebee]

Quote

Is Jason's family that awful that Bethenny's biggest fear, if something should happen during the surgery, is that "..she would be with them all the time"?

What a horrifying thing to say.  Even for Bethenny.  "THEM" are responsible for half of her beloved daughter's genetics.  And Brynn is as much her father's as her mother's.  What a disgusting person she is to even think such a thing.  It's not as though the Hoppys are immoral, overbearing, self absorbed assholes, like someone we know.  And with all this business of "I'm so alone.  I have no one." how can she possibly want her beloved child to have the same existence?  Defies logic.

[zoeysmom]

There is something kind of sad about Sonja.  It is as if she now regrets spending the last ten years of her life adrift and finding out there are 50 year old men who do want to settle down.  I guess she and Luann are in a good place but she has this underlying desire to one up Luann or crap on her happiness.  She did it a couple of years ago with the facialist and the short Frenchmen story, the year before she bawled at Luann's Christmas party (in front of Jacques) about Jacques not being right for Luann and hurting Luann.  I like to believe Sonja is just vulnerable and hurt and can't get out of her own way but there is definitely an underlying current of her unwillingness to see one of the two of her closer friends happy.  Sometimes she can't get out of her own way.  Her is a little story about one of Sonja's exes (the story refers to the Swingline stapler scion as her  boy toy) and his regret for having appeared with Sonja http://pagesix.com/2016/06/28/sonja-morgans-ex-files-100-million-against-business-partner/  It has to hurt after awhile that even the recent, young flings have regrets.  Where was this friend with benefits of 10 years, Tom, the past 10 years?  Apparently, out of the sight of her show friends and the eyes of the press.  I always want to ask Sonja, where did you dine together, was it with a group of friends, do you go out of town together, does he attend your cabriolesque shows, attend premiere parties for the show?  Sometimes Sonja just cannot get out of her own way.  She seems willing to sacrifice or damage her friendship for the sake of her own ego. 

 

Here is the Vulture recap:  http://www.vulture.com/2016/06/real-housewives-of-new-york-city-recap-season-8-episode-13.html  I fully support a ban on the word va-jay-jay and have the ladies start referring to their wounded parts by their correct name.

[ghoulina]

Wow, Jules has really lost it. This was painful to watch. I do think her pain meds for her hurt vagina caused her to act a bit crazy, but I also see a woman really struggling to hold on. I get wanting to prank them by putting something funny in her calzone, but forks and measuring cups? In an oven??? That could have ended badly. 

Also, they does she keep showing everyone pics of her busted vagina?? Delete that shit.

But yea, homegirl is a mess. She said she sees a therapist 3/week? But there's NOTHING to talk about? BS. Someone doth protest too much. Also, why is she on Adderall? It's not helping. You know, any of these things on their own, could be explained away. But the Adderall, the smoking, the messing up her food - it DOES seem like she is still in the throws of her eating disorder. I even saw her appear to take a deep breath before sharing a bite of Carole's pizza. 

That being said, I don't think it was appropriate for Carole to make all those comments to her right then and there. In front of everyone. It would come better in a one-on-one moment, and maybe from someone closer to her, like Dorinda. Poor girl. I don't know if she'll ever stop being in denial. With all that's going on with her husband, I imagine that's causing her disorder to really spiral. Food is something she can control. 

And what a prick Michael is! Doesn't answer for hours on end, then shows up at 8'clock at night when she's in the hospital! Ugh, he sucks. 

So yea, I can see why Jules is annoyed at Carole, but I did not take B's comment the same way she did. I didn't think she was saying that she questions Jule's integrity. That she's not smart enough or enough of a good friend to accompany her to the doctor. I think Bethenny was simply remarking on the hilarity of them both having busted vaginas at the same time. That's all. But Jules is in a dark place right now, and I understand her being overly sensitive. 

Of course Ramona stole a plate. Of course she had somewhere to be after. 

And she needs to quit playing mediator! I don't care whether Lu has apologized enough or not, I don't even think Beth and Carole WANT anything more from her. Ramona is just taking it upon herself to keep pushing things. It's obnoxious. I just think she's so happy to not be on the outs with anyone, and is trying to keep it that way. If she straddles the fence and acts like a big peace-maker, she's safe. 

Sonja's basement was a treasure trove of comedy! Crutches, extra nose hair trimmer, presents for newborn babies! She really IS a hoarder! I need more of Dorinda forcing her to throw shit out. 

I have nothing really to say about Bethenny's health issues. She is apparently fine now, and everyone handles stuff like that in their own way. I did think her interactions with her driver were adorable.

[bosawks]

For a brief second I thought I caught sight of Cindy Barshop in Sonja's basement next to a pile of stuffed animals and abandoned toasters......

[njbchlover]

7 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

Jules  calzone masterpiece was one of the weirdest things I have ever seen. The pained expression she had on her face while trying to take a tiny bite of that pizza was so disturbing. Then the scene of her talking to Dorinda in her kitchen a mile a minute , wow. She is definitely on Adderall.  This woman does not need to be laughed at, she needs serious help. 

It was nice to see Heather and Carole are still good friends. I was wondering if Bethenny and Caroles ass kissing friendship would have caused a problem ,  good to see it hasn't.

I couldn't figure out if the pained expression was because Jules just didn't want to eat anything, or because Carole's pizza was made with all veggies and vegan cheese.  I am not a vegan or vegetarian, but I would assume that unless you are, vegan cheese may be less than tasty, especially to someone who doesn't eat much of anything to begin with.

Edited June 30, 2016 by njbchlover

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

Best moments: Luann pronouncing the V in Radziwill and sailing past Carole and Bethenny in the lead and being fab. Fuck em.

                         Sonja's wesson oil stash and Dorinda's tshirt in the basement. Dorinda is a good friend.

                        Bethenny stating she kind of wished she was the only 1 with a vag problem so she could get all the attn. Be funny it it wasn't true.

                        Ramona stealing the plate.

                        Bethenny establishing the only people who will stay around her are those she pays.

Regarding the Calzone. Stupid excuse for a party. The ingredientses (tm Theresa Guidice) looked like Chuck E Cheese. Jules, hopped on her vag rx and wine and who doesn't 1) cook or 2) eat a lot of carbs and 3) isn't hungry thought she was being funny. Bethenny and Carole way went overboard and read too much into it. Jules is in therapy? Let it go then girls. Just be supportive. 

Lastly, Bethenny Frankel is a disgusting excuse of a human being and a nightmare shit bag example of a mother. Brynn is not her sole possession nor a toy. Brynn has a loving father and grandparents.  It is in Brynn's best interest to spend time with him and his side of the family. I am certain that Jason loves Brynn and also wants what is best for Brynn.  It is in Bethenny's best interest to never, ever poison Brynn's relationship with her father. If Bethenny wants a mini me then replace Cookie. FFS Brynn is going to see that POS comment on TV one day. When it does Bethenny may stand where Tamballs (RHoOC) stands w/her daughter. 

Bethenny's real fear is that if something happened to her Jason would raise Brynn on Bethenny's estate ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$). Period. When she said her biggest fear would be that "she" would go to them...forever--- replace the word "she" with "my money". BOOM! 

Bethenny said AGAIN she "doesn't have parents". She has a mother. Who is alive. She can't just take ownership and say: "I don't have a relationship with my mother, and my father is deceased and I by choice do not seek out contact with my cousins aunts and uncles." She's a big fat skinny LIAR who spins things to her own dramatic arc.

Lastly, Kelly Bensimon was right about her right out of the gate. 

Edited June 30, 2016 by Alonzo Mosely FBI

[Duke2801]

I'm loving whoever is coming up with these show titles this season.  Steel Calzones!?  Genius!

I thank the merciful heavens that I chose to take the dog outside during what must have been the "bloody pillow" scene. **full body shudder**  I think I speak for most - if not all -- of us when I quote my beloved Valerie Cherish from The Comeback: "I don't wanna SEE that!"

Jules was definitely acting like a nut (are those kosher?) at the pizza making party, but I agree that Carole and Bethenny's grilling of her (and talking about her weight behind her back) was not necessary or helpful. Especially Bethenny.  Because while I do believe that Carole is "naturally thin", Bethenny is not. And I do 100% believe that Beth battles with her own sort of disordered eating. Maybe orthorexia.   

Loved seeing my girl Heather again, but I found it strange that they brought her in simply as a sounding board for Carole to talk about Jules. 

8 hours ago, Umbelina said:

Who goes around showing work acquaintances photos of your swollen and bruised vulva?  I mean, WHAT?

Seriously. Even if my best friend wanted to show me a picture of her busted cooch, I would avert my eyes and tell them, well, see the above Valerie Cherish quote.

8 hours ago, biakbiak said:

I really want Kevin to take that "bloody" pillow (and seriously it was such a light pink stain) to John's dry cleaning place!

Eta: Why did Sonja have like eight bottles of Wesson oil in her basement? 

LMAO!  I am glad I am not the only one who noticed it and found it strange.  I guess maybe she uses her basement for food storage, too.  But still, it seemed odd that they were just sitting there on top of what appeared to be a dresser or file cabinet. 

8 hours ago, ninjago said:

I feel like Luann has extended herself to appease what she sees as Carole's outsized anger and she's just not going to go any further.  It reminds me of LVP and Eileen: You have reason to be angry at me and I have apologized sincerely, but the level of my offense does not warrant me having to contort myself into a pretzel for you to accept my apology.  

I agree that -- given Carole's cold responses thus far - Luanne probably needn't try to apologize "one-on-one" or push a friendship with her at this point. In other words, shut up, Ramona.  I wouldn't compare it to the Lisa VP and Eileen situation though, as the "infractions" made by Lisa VP and Luanne are wildly different.   Lisa VP made one off-handed comment that Eileen took and ran with. Luanne went on a weeks (or was it months?) long social media rampage against Carole and verbally attacked her, as well. 

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

anyone notice Heather greeting Adam: "Hello Ad!" hahaha dropping those other other syllables is her thing, holla! 

[SweetieDarling]

8 hours ago, Muffyn said:

Jules most likely has a problem with her labia, not her vagina. I will also accept vulva.  Bethenny has a problem with her uterus. There is more to female-appearing genitalia than vaginas.  I may have to get them all a copy of Our Bodies, Our Selves and highlight a few pages. 

If they think Jules has an active eating disorder, they could express actual concern and talk to her about what they are seeing in a compassionate and caring way.  Or they could be useless, catty shrews and talk about her behind her back, make snarky comments to her, up her stress levels, and make her feel watched and criticized thereby making it more likely that she will get worse.  Guess we know where cathenny fall on this one. 

Dorinda’s coat reminded me of an afghan my mother crocheted in the early 70s.  Have I mentioned color vision issues run in my family?   

LuAnn for the win.  I’m done too.  Regardless of which HW show it is, it seems like people need to apologize and apologize and apologize forever. 

LOL! I was thinking the same thing. My grandmother crocheted blankets in that same pattern -and those same colors.  Maybe we can go into business turning '70s blankets into expensive designer capes.  If only we can find a way to work the word "Skinny" into the brand name somehow....

[Cherrio]

9 hours ago, biakbiak said:

I really want Kevin to take that "bloody" pillow (and seriously it was such a light pink stain) to John's dry cleaning place!

Eta: Why did Sonja have like eight bottles of Wesson oil in her basement? 

I was thinking I bet they are all expired along with the rest of the food there.

 So Dorinda, you looked like you were auditioning for a minor role on Star Trek in that sequined top.

[Nanny pants]

Ahhh...so telling.  Bethany is panicked that her daughter might be raised by her father and his family.  What a twat.  Get over yourself.

[Pickles]

Carole was on Andy's show last night in tiny shorts. She does not look much bigger than Jules. She said she and Bethenny did not bully Jules. She essentially said Bethenny speaks the truth and that is why she always agrees with her. She has her head so far up Bethenny's butt. I find her and Bethenny very unlikable. They are not treating Jules nicely. Carole also claimed she never judges. Right. A caller equated Carole and Bethenny to "mean girls". Carole said, "We are not in eighth grade". They kind of act like it!

[njbchlover]

6 minutes ago, Pickles said:

Carole was on Andy's show last night in tiny shorts. She does not look much bigger than Jules. She said she and Bethenny did not bully Jules. She essentially said Bethenny speaks the truth and that is why she always agrees with her. She has her head so far up Bethenny's butt. I find her and Bethenny very unlikable. They are not treating Jules nicely. Carole also claimed she never judges. Right. A caller equated Carole and Bethenny to "mean girls". Carole said, "We are not in eighth grade". They kind of act like it!

I thought the same exact thing when we saw her at the skating rink.  There was a shot of her from the rear, and her legs looked like they shouldn't be able to hold her up.

I'm not one for body shaming, and I kind of envy anyone who is naturally thin, but Carole should never be filmed from behind, especially in skin tight jeans.  Very, very thin legs and no butt are not attractive in skinny jeans, imo.

Oh, and speaking of the ice skating scene, did anyone else have a scary thought that JZ was going to come skating out from the side in her sequinned outfit with Johnny Weir coaching her?   ;-)

Edited June 30, 2016 by njbchlover

[islandgal140]

8 minutes ago, AnitaKnight said:

Dorinda’s coat reminded me of an afghan my mother crocheted in the early 70s.  Have I mentioned color vision issues run in my family?   

 

8 minutes ago, AnitaKnight said:

LOL! I was thinking the same thing. My grandmother crocheted blankets in that same pattern -and those same colors.  Maybe we can go into business turning '70s blankets into expensive designer capes.  If only we can find a way to work the word "Skinny" into the brand name somehow....

You should and could make a killing if marketed correctly. Dorinda's technicolor dream coat is a Missoni. Retailed for around $2600 US Dollars but is now half price, but oops, Dorinda might have brought the last one because it is sold out! Sorry ladies.

http://www.missoni.com/it/missoni/donna/cappa_cod41532267jg.html

[SweetieDarling]

9 minutes ago, Pickles said:

Carole was on Andy's show last night in tiny shorts. She does not look much bigger than Jules. She said she and Bethenny did not bully Jules. She essentially said Bethenny speaks the truth and that is why she always agrees with her. She has her head so far up Bethenny's butt. I find her and Bethenny very unlikable. They are not treating Jules nicely. Carole also claimed she never judges. Right. A caller equated Carole and Bethenny to "mean girls". Carole said, "We are not in eighth grade". They kind of act like it!

Carole said she never judges?!  What BS!  Roll the tape Andy...the part where Carole's asking Jules how much she weighs and then cut to Carole discussing  with Bethenny how she couldn't possibly weigh that much.  That's not judgemental?  The way she stared at Jules watching her every move in wide-eyed wonder, and then running  it all by the eating disorder expert Bethenny? ok. whatevs.

[esco1822]

10 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Kim's addiction issues had a direct impact on the BH HWs (constantly being late or a no show to filming, violent verbal outbursts, ect.), Jules's ED doesn't have any impact on the NY HWs (she is pretty quiet, is on time and doesn't miss an event/filming). I could understand their alarm if they tempered it with some compassion and backed off of the snarky comments to her, like Bethenny's you need a "verb" comment which would only increase her stress level making it even harder to control her eating issues. I do agree with the cleanse though, it is a WTH is she thinking moment.

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with this a little bit.  Jule's ED DOES impact the NY HW's when she's baking silverware into food they are all sharing. Thank goodness Carole cut it all up to reveal what was inside. Not like someone was going to take a full slice of a calzone with an entire fork in it but still, that's nuts. Also, didn't Jules, in her conversation with Bethenny about her ED, tell her that she WANTS people to tell her when she's slipping back into old patterns about food?  I don't get all the hate for people actually doing what she asked. 

[FanOfTheFans]

I don't think it's any coincidence that Lu's feeling her oats in regards to Bethenny.  Lu about to marry into money has given her the courage to speak out against Beth.  I saw shades of Lu the snob last night. Not that Carole and Beth don't have it coming but I still was reminded of the old Lu last night. 

I felt sorry for Jules and thought the lack of compassion displayed by Carole and Bethenny was sick. If her life was falling apart at the time which we now know it was, it makes sense that her eating disorder would flair. It's her only sense of control I suspect.