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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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My push presents after having my kids were my kids. 

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3 hours ago, Kokapetl said:

Jeremy is middle class and he values his urbane image. He won't ever willingly let his wife have a hillbillly childbirth. 

Plus he wasn't raised as an Arkansas hillbilly fundie -- he came into it later in life -- well after his mom gave birth to her 2-3 kids in a hospital. So to him (and his family), I'm sure it'd be odd if Jinger he raised the idea of birthing in their master bedroom. Plus he has friends with kids (def Luis - there may be others) -- he has seen their wives go to DOCTORS through their pregnancy and then give birth in HOSPITALS. Anything else would be out of left field for him. More generally - he likely grew up going to actual doctors and seeing his parents/grandparents go to them when something was wrong and in his case - probably yearly for sports physicals to play high school/college/pro soccer. He isn't used to the idea of just praying that things will go ok and risking major bleeding or a kid getting stuck and decelerating in a home delivery, when there are entire buildings full of professionals with equipment who deal with preventing these issues day in and day out. Plus he's from the suburbs of Philadelphia right? It is a HUGE doctor city with excellent health systems - bc UPenn is right there in the city and has strategically placed its doctors in many of the suburbs too; someone from a place like that really will not be comfortable with "oh we'll just pray the delivery goes smooth and no one bleeds out but just in case why don't you put some towels down on the master bedroom floor!?"

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Churchhoney

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Of course, the odd thing is that Meeechelle went to the hospital a lot of the time. .... Maybe even the majority of the time? But lots, anyway. And went to a lot of doctors. This give-birth-in-the-living-room thing seems to have hit the girls from some other angle. Although Meeeechelle certainly seems to be all in on it now.

I get the feeling that the birth-at-home stuff is kind of generational with them. And then further driven by competition between the sisters. It is a lot more faddish these days than it used to be. And the Duggars are nothing if not suckers for fads. Where they've gone off the deep end is that lots of people who don't have hospital births do have some kind of responsible prenatal care. And the Dugg girls have been too dumb or cheap or something for that. 

Jinger seems to be a bit more physically squeamish and cautious than Jill and Anna and Jessa. So that's a good sign that she wouldn't actually want to follow the train.

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cereality

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1 hour ago, Churchhoney said:

Of course, the odd thing is that Meeechelle went to the hospital a lot of the time. .... Maybe even the majority of the time? But lots, anyway. And went to a lot of doctors. This give-birth-in-the-living-room thing seems to have hit the girls from some other angle. Although Meeeechelle certainly seems to be all in on it now.

I get the feeling that the birth-at-home stuff is kind of generational with them. And then further driven by competition between the sisters. It is a lot more faddish these days than it used to be. And the Duggars are nothing if not suckers for fads. Where they've gone off the deep end is that lots of people who don't have hospital births do have some kind of responsible prenatal care. And the Dugg girls have been too dumb or cheap or something for that. 

Jinger seems to be a bit more physically squeamish and cautious than Jill and Anna and Jessa. So that's a good sign that she wouldn't actually want to follow the train.

It's also possible home birth with no prenatal care except prayer is hitting the daughters from the - we have lousy health insurance and this type of care would have a 10k deductible -angle. We don't know how much money they're making off the show and how much is going to them instead of to JB. JB OTOH is/was wealthy -- not necessarily when he was just starting out -- but once he started buying cell phone towers, commercial property etc.? He gets monthly checks for that which I assume paid a pretty hefty insurance bill for decent insurance so Michelle could birth in a hospital for a handy copay of $50. Plus did JB ever serve in Arkansas state gov't or was he merely a candidate? If he served even one term, it's possible he and his (under 18) family get lifetime health insurance -- don't know about Arkansas specifically but some states have ridiculous benefits for ex state senators, even if they were only in office for a hot second.

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Absolom

Absolom

1 hour ago, cereality said:

Plus did JB ever serve in Arkansas state gov't or was he merely a candidate? If he served even one term, it's possible he and his (under 18) family get lifetime health insurance -- don't know about Arkansas specifically but some states have ridiculous benefits for ex state senators, even if they were only in office for a hot second.

We've done that one several times.  Arkansas doesn't

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8 hours ago, cereality said:

Plus he wasn't raised as an Arkansas hillbilly fundie -- he came into it later in life -- well after his mom gave birth to her 2-3 kids in a hospital. So to him (and his family), I'm sure it'd be odd if Jinger he raised the idea of birthing in their master bedroom. Plus he has friends with kids (def Luis - there may be others) -- he has seen their wives go to DOCTORS through their pregnancy and then give birth in HOSPITALS. Anything else would be out of left field for him. More generally - he likely grew up going to actual doctors and seeing his parents/grandparents go to them when something was wrong and in his case - probably yearly for sports physicals to play high school/college/pro soccer. He isn't used to the idea of just praying that things will go ok and risking major bleeding or a kid getting stuck and decelerating in a home delivery, when there are entire buildings full of professionals with equipment who deal with preventing these issues day in and day out. Plus he's from the suburbs of Philadelphia right? It is a HUGE doctor city with excellent health systems - bc UPenn is right there in the city and has strategically placed its doctors in many of the suburbs too; someone from a place like that really will not be comfortable with "oh we'll just pray the delivery goes smooth and no one bleeds out but just in case why don't you put some towels down on the master bedroom floor!?"

Huh, it just occurred to me that Jeremy is the only one of the son-in-laws that isn't from Arkansas.

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ChiCricket

ChiCricket

On 7/18/2017 at 6:55 PM, Rabbittron said:

If you want to know where they live just go on the webb county texas website and you'll find out put in his name.

I should like a pm as to how to find pictures and location of their house too, @Rabbittron, please and thank you! (I'm apparently too dumb to find them herself, though IREALLY  tried). :)

louannems

louannems

In this photo, I can see just how crammed they all were in the early house.

In the background, I see Michelle, dressed just like her little girls, puffy sleeves and all!  

In Hawaii, Michelle is also wearing a puffy sleeved purple blouse.  While I'm grateful she's not wearing her green blouse, I do wonder why Michelle favors those little girl puffy sleeves whenever she wears short sleeves. A fifty year old women trying to look perpetually pre-school ish to please JB, so she can forever remain child-like to her Headship is a woman who never really grew up.

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RazzleberryPie

RazzleberryPie

41 minutes ago, louannems said:

In this photo, I can see just how crammed they all were in the early house.

In the background, I see Michelle, dressed just like her little girls, puffy sleeves and all!  

In Hawaii, Michelle is also wearing a puffy sleeved purple blouse.  While I'm grateful she's not wearing her green blouse, I do wonder why Michelle favors those little girl puffy sleeves whenever she wears short sleeves. A fifty year old women trying to look perpetually pre-school ish to please JB, so she can forever remain child-like to her Headship is a woman who never really grew up.

Is that Michelle or Jana in the background? 

I think Jinger may have been switched at birth. She looks nothing like the rest of them. 

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Fostersmom

Fostersmom

17 hours ago, cereality said:

Plus he wasn't raised as an Arkansas hillbilly fundie -- he came into it later in life -- well after his mom gave birth to her 2-3 kids in a hospital. So to him (and his family), I'm sure it'd be odd if Jinger he raised the idea of birthing in their master bedroom. Plus he has friends with kids (def Luis - there may be others) -- he has seen their wives go to DOCTORS through their pregnancy and then give birth in HOSPITALS. Anything else would be out of left field for him. More generally - he likely grew up going to actual doctors and seeing his parents/grandparents go to them when something was wrong and in his case - probably yearly for sports physicals to play high school/college/pro soccer. He isn't used to the idea of just praying that things will go ok and risking major bleeding or a kid getting stuck and decelerating in a home delivery, when there are entire buildings full of professionals with equipment who deal with preventing these issues day in and day out. Plus he's from the suburbs of Philadelphia right? It is a HUGE doctor city with excellent health systems - bc UPenn is right there in the city and has strategically placed its doctors in many of the suburbs too; someone from a place like that really will not be comfortable with "oh we'll just pray the delivery goes smooth and no one bleeds out but just in case why don't you put some towels down on the master bedroom floor!?"

 

12 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Of course, the odd thing is that Meeechelle went to the hospital a lot of the time. .... Maybe even the majority of the time? But lots, anyway. And went to a lot of doctors. This give-birth-in-the-living-room thing seems to have hit the girls from some other angle. Although Meeeechelle certainly seems to be all in on it now.

I get the feeling that the birth-at-home stuff is kind of generational with them. And then further driven by competition between the sisters. It is a lot more faddish these days than it used to be. And the Duggars are nothing if not suckers for fads. Where they've gone off the deep end is that lots of people who don't have hospital births do have some kind of responsible prenatal care. And the Dugg girls have been too dumb or cheap or something for that. 

Jinger seems to be a bit more physically squeamish and cautious than Jill and Anna and Jessa. So that's a good sign that she wouldn't actually want to follow the train.

It's not a hillbilly fundie issue only these days. It's becoming more and more common. Hell, I know a girl I went to junior high and high school with her had her daughter about 2 years ago at home and she's an architect, well educated, and 40. She's part of the new breed of anti-vaxers, home birthing, all organic, no GMOs, child wearing, breast feeding only, mommy mafia I see all over my FB feed. Ignore the fact she has multiple classic cars and buses from the 50s and 60s she proudly drove all over the place before she got married about 3 years ago, cuz you know those are awesome for the environment.  Most of them however seem to be using legit midwifes or doulas, not Dr. Jill or the revoked license midwife. Personally, imo, once Anna had her first one at home, the Duggars weren't going to go back to hospital births. If Anna can do it, so can they. I don't see Jinger having a home birth if and when she gets pregnant, but I do see Joy having one. I'd like to think Jill didn't attempt another one, but I doubt it. I think Anna's was money related, but Jill and Jessa were more about proving a point than anything else. 

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awaken

awaken

I am a College-degreed, middle income, with good health insurance, large metro area born (and still live), well-read and traveled woman in my 40's who had my babies at home. So it's not always an issue of being a hillbilly, uneducated, reckless, living in poverty, or without insurance that drives the choice of out of hospital birth. Amazingly, many women are able to evaluate research, think through their own risks and benefits in various scenarios, and make choices about their own healthcare that are right for them and their families, and have nothing to do with being trendy, following fads, or proving a point on social media. I couldn't care less about any of that.

Now, of course, I'm not necessarily saying this is true of the duggars! 

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Pinke

Pinke

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That person (Michelle?) standing in the back... So weird. I'm getting Blair Witch Project's last frame flashbacks.

It seems like basic photography composition rules have always been lost on them... Not saying I always take perfect pictures myself, and there's nothing wrong with a less-than-perfect, more spontaneous picture... but if you're ''TV famous'' and are posting something on social media, maybe make an effort? Isn't Jinger supposed to be the ''photography expert'' of the family? Granted, she obviously didn't take this picture, but she could have maybe cropped the top part.

Oh well, it's not that big of a deal, but I've been feeling cranky and it bugged me XD

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RazzleberryPie

RazzleberryPie

I can cut a little slack on composition, bc that pic was snapped back when you had no clue what things looked like until the film was developed, and nobody had filters, etc.

I swear I think that's Jana in the background. Michelle would've been pregnant with Joy? and bigger/taller then. Jana was left out of everything from the beginning. Probably by choice as well as her having to run the household while Michelle gestated. 

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Zahdii

Zahdii

I've always suspected that the home birthing thing started out with Anna.  I've never felt like the Duggars really thought of Anna as being nothing more than a tool, a nice multi-functional tool.  Her initial use was to marry Josh so they could get him out of the house.  With Anna, he'd get lots of on demand Godly sex and would no longer be 'curious' about the female body.  Anna would also take care of his  other needs, cooking for him, cleaning up after him, even helping out in the used car business JB set up for Josh. 

She was glad to do it, because I think she really loved Josh, and although she says she knew before they married that he'd had a 'problem' before, I really doubt she understood just what that problem was.  She insisted she knew about it, but she also admitted that she didn't know just how bad it was.

Nevertheless, Anna was raised to think that her God-ordained role was to cater to her husband, and do it while birthing as many children as possible.  When she got pregnant the first time, there was a lot of interest in the first Duggar grandchild, but finding a hospital that would allow the whole family to show up with a film crew would be problematic.  Not to worry, Anna's mother (I think) had home births, probably because it was cheaper, so Anna was comfortable with the idea of having home births as well.  JB&M saw a home birth as the perfect way to exploit the birth of their first grandchild by having TLC on hand.  Anna might not have wanted such scrutiny, but her beloved Josh was on board, so Anna went along with it.  I can't remember how much of the first birth was shown, but who can forget the horrible toilet birth of the second baby?

After all the attention Anna got for having home births, it's no wonder Jill and Jessa opted for the same thing.  There's some fierce competition going on in the Duggar family.

Interestingly enough, while Jill was on board with a home birth, and even appeared to expect the perfect birth, she never actually managed to call the film crew when she finally went into labor.  Maybe Jilly-muffin realized in some cobwebbed corner of her mind that she really didn't know what she was doing and didn't want it immortalized on film.  Good call, because Jill came very close to losing her baby and possibly her own life as well.  Jessa was game for one-upping Jill, but she ended up with a dicey delivery that required her to rush to the hospital for blood transfusions after she started to hemorrhage.

Somewhere along the line Anna gave birth to M3, probably on film, but who remembers that anymore?  Her new story line is the pathetic wife of creepy Josh Duggar who had to quietly give birth to M4 out of sight because he caused a couple of scandals to the Duggar brand.  Now she's due to give birth to M5, and it'll be just as private as with M4.

In the meantime, Jessa gave birth on film again, this time without problems, and Jill gave birth again, with no cameras and more problems.  Anna can give birth every 2-3 years until her uterus dries up and the public will be informed days later each time with less fanfare each time.  Jill's future births are probably also going to be shrouded in mystery because she can't seem to figure out that she's high risk and needs to seek qualified medical intervention. 

Jessa is winning the home birth wars right now.  She's a 'real' Duggar, so her two births with only needing to go to the hospital once trumps fake-Duggar Anna and inept Jill, who has joined Anna as an object of pity.  But Jinger is married now.  Joy is married now.  They could start having kids soon.  I think there might be another girl about to get engaged or something, I know there's another boy who is engaged. 

It's a sad fact that it's harder to get excited over yet another Duggar getting married or having children.  At this point, the excitement would be from a Duggar divorce, a transgender or gay Duggar coming out, one of the lost girls to run for the hills, a Duggar tell-all from one of the kids, or waiting to see if Josie licks her first child clean after giving birth on the countertop of the Duggar family kitchen.

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Jynnan tonnix

Jynnan tonnix

36 minutes ago, Zahdii said:

I've always suspected that the home birthing thing started out with Anna.  I've never felt like the Duggars really thought of Anna as being nothing more than a tool, a nice multi-functional tool.  Her initial use was to marry Josh so they could get him out of the house.  With Anna, he'd get lots of on demand Godly sex and would no longer be 'curious' about the female body.  Anna would also take care of his  other needs, cooking for him, cleaning up after him, even helping out in the used car business JB set up for Josh. 

She was glad to do it, because I think she really loved Josh, and although she says she knew before they married that he'd had a 'problem' before, I really doubt she understood just what that problem was.  She insisted she knew about it, but she also admitted that she didn't know just how bad it was.

Nevertheless, Anna was raised to think that her God-ordained role was to cater to her husband, and do it while birthing as many children as possible.  When she got pregnant the first time, there was a lot of interest in the first Duggar grandchild, but finding a hospital that would allow the whole family to show up with a film crew would be problematic.  Not to worry, Anna's mother (I think) had home births, probably because it was cheaper, so Anna was comfortable with the idea of having home births as well.  JB&M saw a home birth as the perfect way to exploit the birth of their first grandchild by having TLC on hand.  Anna might not have wanted such scrutiny, but her beloved Josh was on board, so Anna went along with it.  I can't remember how much of the first birth was shown, but who can forget the horrible toilet birth of the second baby?

After all the attention Anna got for having home births, it's no wonder Jill and Jessa opted for the same thing.  There's some fierce competition going on in the Duggar family.

Interestingly enough, while Jill was on board with a home birth, and even appeared to expect the perfect birth, she never actually managed to call the film crew when she finally went into labor.  Maybe Jilly-muffin realized in some cobwebbed corner of her mind that she really didn't know what she was doing and didn't want it immortalized on film.  Good call, because Jill came very close to losing her baby and possibly her own life as well.  Jessa was game for one-upping Jill, but she ended up with a dicey delivery that required her to rush to the hospital for blood transfusions after she started to hemorrhage.

Somewhere along the line Anna gave birth to M3, probably on film, but who remembers that anymore?  Her new story line is the pathetic wife of creepy Josh Duggar who had to quietly give birth to M4 out of sight because he caused a couple of scandals to the Duggar brand.  Now she's due to give birth to M5, and it'll be just as private as with M4.

In the meantime, Jessa gave birth on film again, this time without problems, and Jill gave birth again, with no cameras and more problems.  Anna can give birth every 2-3 years until her uterus dries up and the public will be informed days later each time with less fanfare each time.  Jill's future births are probably also going to be shrouded in mystery because she can't seem to figure out that she's high risk and needs to seek qualified medical intervention. 

Jessa is winning the home birth wars right now.  She's a 'real' Duggar, so her two births with only needing to go to the hospital once trumps fake-Duggar Anna and inept Jill, who has joined Anna as an object of pity.  But Jinger is married now.  Joy is married now.  They could start having kids soon.  I think there might be another girl about to get engaged or something, I know there's another boy who is engaged. 

It's a sad fact that it's harder to get excited over yet another Duggar getting married or having children.  At this point, the excitement would be from a Duggar divorce, a transgender or gay Duggar coming out, one of the lost girls to run for the hills, a Duggar tell-all from one of the kids, or waiting to see if Josie licks her first child clean after giving birth on the countertop of the Duggar family kitchen.

Hahahaha! Did not see that last line coming and am still giggling over the image. 

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Zahdii

Zahdii

I think the pictures posted are probably close enough.  Jeremy and Jinger probably bought a house in one of those developments where all the houses were built by the same contractor, and the floor plans and amenities are very similar.  I've been in a few developments like that; they're not exactly cookie-cutter-like, but close enough.  They're built off of a few basic floor plans, staggered to give a mild impression of individuality.  If someone buys a house early enough in the building stage they can specify some real changes, but overall, once you've visited two or three houses in the neighborhood, you've seen them all.

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lascuba

lascuba

Anna's first homebirth wasn't JB/M's idea. Josh was the one who decided that when the doctor who would have allowed cameras in the delivery wasn't available when Anna went into labor. JB was actually surprised when Josh told him they were doing a last minute homebirth--and JB isn't a good enough actor to fake surprise. A couple of people have met Anna at book signings and such and said that when they mentioned homebirth to her, she was very enthusiastic about the topic, so I think she's 100% on board with that. 

The difference between Anna and Jessa/Jill is that Anna  joined the family as a fan and truly believed she was joining a ministry, so she's always been enthusiastic about being on tv no matter what.  Jessa and Jill grew up without choosing to put their lives on camera, so even though they consider TV their full time job now, they actually value the bit of control they can get over their privacy, which is why we saw very little of their births compared to Anna. 

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Marshmallow Mollie

Marshmallow Mollie

21 minutes ago, lascuba said:

Anna's first homebirth wasn't JB/M's idea. Josh was the one who decided that when the doctor who would have allowed cameras in the delivery wasn't available when Anna went into labor. JB was actually surprised when Josh told him they were doing a last minute homebirth--and JB isn't a good enough actor to fake surprise. 

Correct. And JB said something like, "we'll be praying that you made the right decision." He definitely was not expecting nor fully supportive of a home birth.

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Christina87

Christina87

It boggles my mind that they are so "crunchy" with wanting home births, no meds, etc, but then don't care about their children's health once they get here. A steady diet of tater tot casserole with no exercise does not the picture of health make. Why not go to the hospital and get an epidural? Home births are "natural," but so is only eating broccoli, apples, and whatever derick and Ben can hunt (hahahaha). Saying they want a natural home birth and then turning around and eating chicken etti makes no sense. 

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RedheadZombie

RedheadZombie

18 minutes ago, Christina87 said:

It boggles my mind that they are so "crunchy" with wanting home births, no meds, etc, but then don't care about their children's health once they get here. A steady diet of tater tot casserole with no exercise does not the picture of health make. Why not go to the hospital and get an epidural? Home births are "natural," but so is only eating broccoli, apples, and whatever derick and Ben can hunt (hahahaha). Saying they want a natural home birth and then turning around and eating chicken etti makes no sense. 

Exactly. But then they're not really crunchy or healthy in any way.  As many have said, I think they're home births are a mix of poor or lack of insurance, the desire to have cameras available, keeping a man from viewing the goods, and Jill's desire to have a truly natural birth.  I'm sure Jessa would have a full epidural if that were possible at home. I don't think they're anti-pain meds. When they had their wisdom teeth out, the prescription bottles were all ligned up and administered on schedule. 

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

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He did? I somehow blocked that out and thought that the Fedosky woman caught him.

eta: I am NOT going back to the tape on this one. That's one scene I never want to see again. I'll trust that Smuggar at least showed his face for the birth. I DO remember that this labor wasn't nearly as long as Mack's (8 hours, at most?), so I never forgave him for the nap. 

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farmgal4

farmgal4

13 minutes ago, Absolom said:

Theresa was right there almost in the toilet catching for sure.  I think it may have been Jill beside and there was a cameraman in the bathroom, too.  Josh may have been there, but it was crowded.

I'm pretty sure it was MEchelle who helped catch the baby before he drowned in the toilet bowl.  

farmgal4

farmgal4

6 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said:

I only started watching (well, hate-watching) after Joshley Madison came out of the closet, so I know nothing about a baby being born on the toilet.

Can someone briefly recap?  

Anna told Teresa (the fake midwife) that she (Anna) needed to have a bowel movement, so Teresa lets her go sit on the toilet to do so and the baby was born.  A competent midwife would have known that feeling the urge to defecate is a sure-fire way to know that the baby is moving down the birth canal and that birth is imminent.

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ginger90

ginger90

19 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

Anna told Teresa (the fake midwife) that she (Anna) needed to have a bowel movement, so Teresa lets her go sit on the toilet to do so and the baby was born.  A competent midwife would have known that feeling the urge to defecate is a sure-fire way to know that the baby is moving down the birth canal and that birth is imminent.

This is exactly what happened to me when my second daughter was born. Thankfully I made it back to the bed to have her. It was not a planned home birth.

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floridamom

floridamom

What?..wait, I thought Miss Teresa WAS the midwife, Dr. Fedosky's wife. Is Miss Teresa  the lady who lost her husband and was taking classes to become one? So, what is Dr. Fedosky's wife's name? Isn't she the one who delivered Michael in her home-like delivery center that Anna had to ride over 1 hour in the van with stone faced Michelle to get to? I'm a bit confused....thanks for the clarification.

Christina87

Christina87

This may be weird, but for some reason it squicks me out that these girls wear their normal clothes for birthing! I guess everyone I've known has given birth in he hospital, in a gown, and they couldn't show naked or semi-naked births on tv. I believe it was the toilet birth where Anna was wearing a casual maroon polo, that looked like something she was about to run to the bank in and then come home and fix dinner. Jessa also had worn normal outfits. It just always seems like they would be more comfortable in PJ's or something. Idk, it might not bother anybody else, but think how weird it would be if Anna wore that shirt and Michael said he liked it or something. "Thanks, son! I had this on when i pushed you out of my vagina on the toilet!"

just...icccccck. 

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satrunrose

satrunrose

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My theory about the Duggar girls and home births is that they've been raised in an environment where the only accomplishment they're allowed to have is birthin' babies. Jill, Jessa and Anna know darn well that they won't be famous in their own right for the volume of babies until they hit at least ten, so in the meantime, they can be famous for home births. 

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