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Spencer Hastings
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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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My push presents after having my kids were my kids. 

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8 hours ago, doodlebug said:

The Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) is still the law of the land, so, if they have health insurance, contraceptives should be available to Jinjer at minimal to no cost.  It'd be great if she got an IUD which would protect against pregnancy for at least 3 years, depending on the type, but that's probably too much to ask.  Most fundies have decided that IUD's cause abortions, despite heaps of evidence proving that they don't.  The ACA does cover them, though, and most Gyn's including me, have had a bunch of requests for this method prior to whatever disaster the Republicans decide to put in its place.

For that matter, many large drug chains have lists of medications that folks without insurance coverage can get very cheaply. Usually it's generics for BP meds or antibiotics but many also include at least one generic oral contraceptive on their list.  Here in Ohio, there are at least 2 different large chains that offer a couple of oral contraceptives for 9 bucks a month and even give a discount if 3 months at a time are purchased at once.  So, even if they're not insured and even if they don't want to use Planned Parenthood, Jinjer and Baaabe have options for inexpensive, reliable contraception.

@doodlebug I was just thinking today, why do I have to pay $48 for a three month supply of my basic, generic birth control pill? When I was on my dad's plan, it changed from $5 a month to free after obama's decree. I'm not sure why I'm paying through the nose all these years later. I'm wondering if you have any insight as to why this might be, because I can't find much on google except for religious exemptions (I work for the state, so not that), or extremely complicated types of BC. 

6 hours ago, Nysha said:

That's not their problem. I'm 5'2" and got married at 19 to a man who was 27 and 6'4". At that time in my life I was very skinny, and thanks to an upbringing not quite as strict as Jinger's, immature and dressed very modestly (although in jeans). I was offered the children's menu at Denny's on our honeymoon. My husband wasn't a perv, just a man who loved me and was happy to help me learn how to make my own decisions even when they were opposite of his.

I don't think it's their size; to me, Jeremy looks very mature, while Jinger looks twelve. Not an insult to either one, just how they're made!

5 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

I wonder if they even know that PP provides birth control. Fundies seem to be ALL about the ABORTIONS that they either are ignorant to, or willfully ignore, PP's other services. 

As for Jinger, I have no comment on what (if any) birth control they're using (or not). 

Jeremy's not keeping her from her family. They went on the stinkbus trip in late March/early April through Ohio and TN, culminiating in Tabby Paine's wedding to The Rapist. They were with her family for the better part of a week that time, and there may have been trips to the TTH both before and since then that we don't know about. We DO know that Benessa, a couple other siblings, and Jenni Hartono visited her for a few days not long before Joy's wedding. However, the plane flight info JUST went private TODAY (flew to and back from Nashville just yesterday), so I can't give you exact dates on their trip down there any longer. 

From what little we've seen, they a pretty traditional marriage in terms of gender roles, but I do see Jeremy in the kitchen and giving a hand with laundry (hell, he's done his own cooking and cleaning), so they might actually be a bit more egalitarian than other Duggar marriages than one might suspect 

I think even just the fact he's lived alone and presumably knows how to do laundry and basic cooking is a plus compared to the other Duggars! I feel like if Jinger had the flu or something, he could take care of things if he had to. That doesn't sound like much of an accolade, but think of the family we're talking about. Anna would be dragging her butt out of bed to make Joshley his dinner!

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Nysha

Nysha

33 minutes ago, Christina87 said:

I feel like if Jinger had the flu or something, he could take care of things if he had to. That doesn't sound like much of an accolade, but think of the family we're talking about. Anna would be dragging her butt out of bed to make Joshley his dinner!

I agree, although it helps that Jeremy lived on his own and knows how to cook. I'm guessing the best Josh could manage is to spread peanut butter onto a slice of white bread if he was starving. Plus, Josh has NEVER been expected to put anyone's comfort before his own. His role-model father made his daughters cook him breakfast while his wife was in labor and ready to trek to the hospital to give birth. He was raised to be a selfish prig and I doubt that is ever going change. 

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Churchhoney

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11 hours ago, leighdear said:

Is the red toenail polish the usual shade for Jing?  I don't remember any of them using such a brazen shade.  

I may be hallucinating, but I'm pretty sure I've seen most of them with bright toenail polish before. ...Oddly, I don't recall seeing much bright fingernail polish.... But then, in a way, that might not be odd, since they're in a cult where women's feet are one of the few bare-skin areas permitted to be exposed and waved and dangled, and feet are highly sexualized and fetishized while everybody pretends that they aren't. While Bill Gothard doesn't appear to be sexually attracted to women's hands.  

Or I may be hallucinating about the others sporting colorful toenails.  

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Scarlett45

Scarlett45

8 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

I may be hallucinating, but I'm pretty sure I've seen most of them with bright toenail polish before. ...Oddly, I don't recall seeing much bright fingernail polish.... But then, in a way, that might not be odd, since they're in a cult where women's feet are one of the few bare-skin areas permitted to be exposed and waved and dangled, and feet are highly sexualized and fetishized while everybody pretends that they aren't. While Bill Gothard doesn't appear to be sexually attracted to women's hands.  

Or I may be hallucinating about the others sporting colorful toenails.  

I think their nail polish choices are non fundy related- I tend to go brighter on my toes than hands because hands chip faster and need to be touched up.

So unless it's a special event my hands are a more demure color. 

 

Also so if you're doing your nails yourself it's easier to do your toes than hands, brighter colors show mistakes easier. 

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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2 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

I think their nail polish choices are non fundy related- I tend to go brighter on my toes than hands because hands chip faster and need to be touched up.

So unless it's a special event my hands are a more demure color. 

 

Also so if you're doing your nails yourself it's easier to do your toes than hands, brighter colors show mistakes easier. 

You may well be correct!    

But it's not a fundie thing I'm talking about. It's a specifically Gothard thing. And in Gothardland, I'm suspicious of anything that involves either women's bare feet or sausage curls! .... Because ... uh ... if patterned stockings are an evil eye trap to the legs and lace collars are an evil eye trap to the breasts and patterned skirts are an evil eye trap to the thighs and waist and you must avoid all of these, then what the heck are flip flops with bright red toenails???  .... And in my opinion, flip flops with bright red toenails are good because they're Gothard's fetish, and none of those other things are. ... Pretty clear that's true from the stories on Recovering Grace and so on. .... This may well be something that's buried deep in Duggar denial -- "Feet aren't sexual!!!" tm Meeechelle -- and the girls, or at least some of them, may never have been really aware of this and have just figured that bare, scarlet-toed feet are just unaccountably something they can get away with. But the fact that amid the tons and tons of clothing prohibitions Gothard always seemed to allow -- and in fact apparently encouraged, among his pets -- the women's bared feet with the bright toes? ... Occam's razor makes it his fetish, plain and simple.

(The curls were a similar fetish -- and, while lace around your collar was considered a rotten adornment that you had to eschew, sausage curls were pushed and pushed .... Same thing ... If it's his fetish, Gothard women, and especially Gothard teenage girls, were encouraged to adorn themselves with it.)

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queenanne

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2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

You may well be correct!    

But it's not a fundie thing I'm talking about. It's a specifically Gothard thing. And in Gothardland, I'm suspicious of anything that involves either women's bare feet or sausage curls! .... Because ... uh ... if patterned stockings are an evil eye trap to the legs and lace collars are an evil eye trap to the breasts and patterned skirts are an evil eye trap to the thighs and waist and you must avoid all of these, then what the heck are flip flops with bright red toenails???  .... And in my opinion, flip flops with bright red toenails are good because they're Gothard's fetish, and none of those other things are. ... Pretty clear that's true from the stories on Recovering Grace and so on. .... This may well be something that's buried deep in Duggar denial -- "Feet aren't sexual!!!" tm Meeechelle -- and the girls, or at least some of them, may never have been really aware of this and have just figured that bare, scarlet-toed feet are just unaccountably something they can get away with. But the fact that amid the tons and tons of clothing prohibitions Gothard always seemed to allow -- and in fact apparently encouraged, among his pets -- the women's bared feet with the bright toes? ... Occam's razor makes it his fetish, plain and simple.

(The curls were a similar fetish -- and, while lace around your collar was considered a rotten adornment that you had to eschew, sausage curls were pushed and pushed .... Same thing ... If it's his fetish, Gothard women, and especially Gothard teenage girls, were encouraged to adorn themselves with it.)

Remember the 60s (?), where it was determined that wearing an anklet/toe rings was a hippie connotation, that meant to 'straights' the wearer was basically no better than a prostitute?  (Or maybe it was the 70s... I wasn't born in the sixties.  I just vaguely remember an etiquette book from that era calling ankle bracelets the slut sign.)

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Jynnan tonnix

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1 minute ago, queenanne said:

Remember the 60s (?), where it was determined that wearing an anklet/toe rings was a hippie connotation, that meant to 'straights' the wearer was basically no better than a prostitute?  (Or maybe it was the 70s... I wasn't born in the sixties.  I just vaguely remember an etiquette book from that era calling ankle bracelets the slut sign.)

My dad (old country Polish immigrant) always considered painted toenails the mark of a prostitute. He never could get used to the fact that respectable women wore toenail polish. He wouldn't let my mom wear it. Or, rather, she couldn't really be bothered to do it anyway, so she never pushed that boundary. If she'd really wanted to he would probably have backed down and just grumbled. I rarely wear it either, but he would always look askance at it if I did. 

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queenanne

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Just now, Jynnan tonnix said:

My dad (old country Polish immigrant) always considered painted toenails the mark of a prostitute. He never could get used to the fact that respectable women wore toenail polish. He wouldn't let my mom wear it. Or, rather, she couldn't really be bothered to do it anyway, so she never pushed that boundary. If she'd really wanted to he would probably have backed down and just grumbled. I rarely wear it either, but he would always look askance at it if I did. 

Thanks for confirming I'm not losing it, lol!  I feel like the principle at the time was, 'why would anyone have any reason to look at your feet unless they were planning on sleeping with you', thus 'why would you bother making 'that area ' look nice and to attract .'  Probably a holdover from when we all wore floor length skirts...

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ariel

ariel

14 hours ago, Nysha said:

I agree, although it helps that Jeremy lived on his own and knows how to cook. 

Does he?  If so the Food Network is always looking for D-list celebrities with very little cooking talent to teach the rest of us how to cook.  Maybe Jer/Jin could get a show.

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Scarlett45

Scarlett45

3 hours ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

My dad (old country Polish immigrant) always considered painted toenails the mark of a prostitute. He never could get used to the fact that respectable women wore toenail polish. He wouldn't let my mom wear it. Or, rather, she couldn't really be bothered to do it anyway, so she never pushed that boundary. If she'd really wanted to he would probably have backed down and just grumbled. I rarely wear it either, but he would always look askance at it if I did. 

Growing up some girls mom's had a thing about nail polish COLORS, pinks/neutrals were okay but young girls shouldn't wear red...it's amazing the associations styling choices have. 

 

I remember one 19kids and counting episode where the girls went to get their first professional mani/pedi. I was appalled- as hard as those girl worked they couldn't even go once a year for their bday?!!! Goodness. It makes me happy to see the girls get to express a little bit of individuality even if it's just nail polish. I thought it was odd when all the older girls had the exact same hair style. 

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sometimesy

sometimesy

17 hours ago, Christina87 said:

I think even just the fact he's lived alone and presumably knows how to do laundry and basic cooking is a plus compared to the other Duggars! I feel like if Jinger had the flu or something, he could take care of things if he had to.

Derp lived in Nepal on his own and Jill had to leave him a pan of mushed up stuff because she was going out with the girls. #Besthusbandever

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Marigold

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On 7/6/2017 at 8:48 PM, GeeGolly said:

I could see this. I'm guessing Jinger is pretty clueless when it comes to sex. I bet he could slip one on without her knowing. I don't think he would though. However, I really think they're doing it bareback with no other contraceptive and she is just not pregnant yet.

Me too.

On 7/7/2017 at 1:57 PM, Jynnan tonnix said:

My dad (old country Polish immigrant) always considered painted toenails the mark of a prostitute. He never could get used to the fact that respectable women wore toenail polish. He wouldn't let my mom wear it. Or, rather, she couldn't really be bothered to do it anyway, so she never pushed that boundary. If she'd really wanted to he would probably have backed down and just grumbled. I rarely wear it either, but he would always look askance at it if I did. 

me too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gosh, I had forgotten that. My dad was a Swedish immigrant and nail polish was the mark of a prostitute. He despised it and thought it looked so trashy. 

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RedheadZombie

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On July 7, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Churchhoney said:

You may well be correct!    

But it's not a fundie thing I'm talking about. It's a specifically Gothard thing. And in Gothardland, I'm suspicious of anything that involves either women's bare feet or sausage curls! .... Because ... uh ... if patterned stockings are an evil eye trap to the legs and lace collars are an evil eye trap to the breasts and patterned skirts are an evil eye trap to the thighs and waist and you must avoid all of these, then what the heck are flip flops with bright red toenails???  .... And in my opinion, flip flops with bright red toenails are good because they're Gothard's fetish, and none of those other things are. ... Pretty clear that's true from the stories on Recovering Grace and so on. .... This may well be something that's buried deep in Duggar denial -- "Feet aren't sexual!!!" tm Meeechelle -- and the girls, or at least some of them, may never have been really aware of this and have just figured that bare, scarlet-toed feet are just unaccountably something they can get away with. But the fact that amid the tons and tons of clothing prohibitions Gothard always seemed to allow -- and in fact apparently encouraged, among his pets -- the women's bared feet with the bright toes? ... Occam's razor makes it his fetish, plain and simple.

(The curls were a similar fetish -- and, while lace around your collar was considered a rotten adornment that you had to eschew, sausage curls were pushed and pushed .... Same thing ... If it's his fetish, Gothard women, and especially Gothard teenage girls, were encouraged to adorn themselves with it.)

This really creeps me out and makes me think of the the FLDS Joy book.  Little innocent girls, in innocent clothes, and old perverts looking through the pages and drooling at their feet, hands, and knees.  I guess the Gothard version would simply be feet and curly hair. 

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RedheadZombie

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On July 6, 2017 at 6:01 PM, Kirjava said:

At this point it seems as if nothing Jinger does will ever be interpreted as autonomous. She wears pants? It's Jeremy telling her to wear them so he can piss off Jim Bob. She spends less time with her family? Jeremy is isolating her. She goes months into her marriage without a pregnancy? Jeremy must be sneaking condoms or have forced her onto birth control. Every action she makes can (and has been) twisted to be an example of Jeremy controlling her. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. She might as well still be in skirts, running home to the compound whenever possible and knocked up, because at least the criticism would be fair.

This is true of all the Duggar girls, why should Jinger be exempt?  Jill just had her baby at the hospital and her thread is still loaded with how stupid, reckless, selfish, and martyr-like she is.  She will surely die because of her stubborn ignorance.  She only arrived at the hospital threee minutes before the c-section, and risked her life as well as her baby's because she's trying to win the longest labor contest.

Joy was comfortable joking around with her FIL and playfully poking his stomach, and she's portrayed as being inappropriate, groping at him, or the victim of a child molester.   She was trapped and trying to escape him, or he was uncomfortable with her creepy groping and trying to get away from her.  It's how it goes with the Duggars.  

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awaken

awaken

2 hours ago, JoanArc said:

More guns for Jesus? Not a good look.

 

2 hours ago, latetotheparty said:

Right?  All the world at their disposal and THIS is what they choose. 

Seriously.   I know it's at a shooting range and they're just having good clean fun, but with everything going on in the world and all the messages they could choose to promote, it puzzles me that this would be on their list.  

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drafan

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I have no problem whatsoever with them going to a shooting range and target shooting safely. And , when in Texas..........  

Jinge looks cute in her well-fitting jeans ....and the T-shirt doesn't have an accountability layer under it. I find it amusing that her HAT on her HEAD has the Nike swoosh on it,  which is in the opposite direction that the Jboys were trained to look. Which means she probably doesn't give a rat's ass. Go,Jinge. She doesn't look like she's feeling left out of the baby-birthing club.

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sometimesy

sometimesy

Aren't Texans pretty ok with guns? I see nothing wrong with this activity, she is dressed classic and appropriate, not over the top, just jeans and a shirt, hat and protection for her ears. If you are going to use a gun, then I would hope you would spend time learning to use it. 

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

I didn't post them to be contraversial. I merely posted their latest activity. Since they don't post often, we don't really know what they do all day.  We've seen Jinger with guns before, so this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.  

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Adeejay

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1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

With the hat on Jinger looks like Amy. Nice to see her smiling. 

At first glance, I thought it was Amy.  She seems happy and clearly not missing the compound. 

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Scarlett45

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17 minutes ago, Marigold said:

I don't think Jinger misses the TTH at all.  Maybe Jessa but that's about it. 

Yeah I'm sure she misses Jessa, but they probably text and FaceTime a lot. She may miss Jana but other than that- NOPE!

edited to add- I think she misses Joe too. They were close growing up. 

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Scarlett45

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1 minute ago, BitterApple said:

Aside from Jessa, has Jinger ever mentioned missing any of her siblings? I don't think I've heard her even talk about her brothers since getting married. Or her parents. 

She has mentioned Joe, I can see her missing him too. He and Kendra may come visit them after they are married. 

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Nysha

Nysha

1 hour ago, Kokapetl said:

I thought only law enforcement could use human shaped targets or something. 

 

 

 

Nope, you can get a pack of 10 of those green ones for about $8 at Walmart.

Jinger looks good, healthy, happy, and she doesn't look pregnant. At this point, I think she's the happiest of all the Duggar kids.

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Marigold

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8 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Yeah I'm sure she misses Jessa, but they probably text and FaceTime a lot. She may miss Jana but other than that- NOPE!

And I wonder how much she misses Jessa.  Jessa was her best friend because she was never exposed to any other kids to play with.  Now that she has met other women (we hope) maybe she is realizing that Jessa is rather bossy and bitchy. 

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BitterApple

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Just now, Marigold said:

And I wonder how much she misses Jessa.  Jessa was her best friend because she was never exposed to any other kids to play with.  Now that she has met other women (we hope) maybe she is realizing that Jessa is rather bossy and bitchy. 

That may very well be. Notice how Jessa's always the one talking about visiting Laredo. We never hear Jinger making any overtures to invite her down. 

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Totally

Totally

14 minutes ago, Marigold said:

And I wonder how much she misses Jessa.  Jessa was her best friend because she was never exposed to any other kids to play with.  Now that she has met other women (we hope) maybe she is realizing that Jessa is rather bossy and bitchy. 

This!

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Churchhoney

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I wouldn't be surprised if Jingle doesn't really miss anybody. If, as it's appeared, the three she kind of liked were Jessa, Joe and Jana, then one's a bossy know-it-all bitch and the other two don't say anything. So what's to miss? She may have figured that out pretty easily.

There have been two movers away before her, and while neither Josh nor Jill handled it well, Jinger's in quite a different position, I think. Unlike both Josh and Jill, Jingle didn't appear to have any really solid role or specific place in the family that gave her any standing in her parents' eyes or anybody else's in the TTH; she was just one of the million kids in the middle, who are all largely disregarded by everyone unless they step out of line in  some way. So she didn't lose a big fairly positive role at home and feel she had to find a new one somewhat like it. And unlike Jill, she's moved to an American city that's basically a middle-class/working-class area in the south, pretty much like NWA where she's from, and it's a place where people speak English (and the signs and the newspapers and the food labels etc. are in English), unlike DA, so she isn't facing the kind of pretty predictable disorientation in that regard that Jill faced. 

I think Jingle may well feel that there's really nothing for her to miss. ... That being the case, I'm hoping she realizes that this is because she barely had a life when she was in the TTH. And that she'll be the Duggar who starts getting a clue that she can live differently. And that she'll do it. 

As usual, I'm probably setting myself up for disappointment with this crowd, though. lol 

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Minivanessa

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59 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Jingle doesn't really miss anybody. If, as it's appeared, the three she kind of liked were Jessa, Joe and Jana, then one's a bossy know-it-all bitch and the other two don't say anything. So what's to miss? She may have figured that out pretty easily.

Jinger had some chemistry going with Ben. They had some cute interactions, including that one time she was still in the bathroom fussing with her hair when they were supposed to be leaving the TTH to go somewhere, and he was on her case about it. But he wasn't doing it in a nasty heavy-handed Duggar way. No, I don't mean anything down and dirty was going on between them, but as her BIL he was - unusually - an non-Duggar male around her own age, who was around a lot.

Think about that. Kids who go to school spend a lot of time with non-relatives their own age and unless they're segregated in boys/girls schools (rare in the US), that will include non-relatives of the opposite sex. Even with the complications of puberty and hormones, that gives kids and young adults the chance to interact and make friends with a lot of people outside their families. They'll like some, dislike others, and probably become friends with some. Make friends, lose friends, make new friends, patch up some fractured friendships, leave other friendships behind. In other words, real life as most people know it.

For the cloistered Duggarlings, no such luck. It's all sibs, all the time, with a few outings to Gothard camps and family conferences. 

So, when Derick and then Ben joined the family, the Duggarlings had new people they were allowed to hang out with, who were now in the family. Must have felt like Christmas to some of them, boys and girls alike.

I assume some of the Duggarlings get along OK with Derick, but I sense that Ben's naturally warmer and more outgoing, and when he's not working on his Serious Calvinist Future Megastar Televangelist persona, he can be a lot more fun to hang out with. Also, he's young.

I think Jinger probably had some good times with Jessa and Ben, who after all met Jeremy and introduced him to Jinger. But for now, Jinger's a newlywed who's having enough fun with her husband to make up for any anxiety she has about having left the TTH and the herd she lived in. And I agree - she was one of the middle kids and seems to have flourished now that she's out of the shade of the older and younger ones, and hitched to a cute guy.

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I'm happy for Jinger.  She has a life so different from what she grew up with, a man who seems besotted with her, and a world of new experiences just waiting for her to discover them.  I have no problem with her being on a shooting range--I've done so myself (and I live in Massachusetts!).  Hey, when the Zombie Apocalypse arrives, Jinger can save us all!  Also, I think she looks adorable, and even though I don't love her hair, most of the girls and young women I see are wearing a similar look.

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satrunrose

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From what they've been posting, I have to admit that I'm starting to feel like if I had to hang out with a Duggar, Jinge and Jer would be my pick. I feel like if we could avoid the fundie hotspots (politics, religion, abortion) it might be a nice time. I don't feel like I know about the personalities of the unmarried Duggars (which is completely weird in its own right). I don't think the Dullards could go 35 seconds without a half-assed attempt to convert me (totally!) , Joy seems to be going down the same route and Jessa would be judging me for being a rotting pier, or skeleton, or whatever. Jinge it is!

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