The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

[ozziemom]

26 minutes ago, SMama said:

I hope Deanna received her rightful share of the properties. They were her parents as well.

Oh I think the estate is what caused the problem with Famy and her mom and thus they both signed an NDA for Boob. If Mary left Boob as executor there were probably issues on the definition of rightful share. Plus Mary may have added Boob to certain bank accounts as a help to her as she aged and then at her death, those were his alone. Which in a normal family, he would have shared with Deanna. But I just don’t think Boob is a nice, normal guy, especially where $$ is concerned.

[Churchhoney]

40 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I thought on SM if a poster got a product free in exchange for a post, they needed to state, "this is an ad" somewhere.

They're supposed to but vast numbers of people don't. 

The FTC has to police all kinds of consumer-protection issues, plus all civil antitrust issues and they don't have the resources, especially the person power, to do it all. So they have to concentrate on violations that affect the most people most seriously. That pretty much precludes chasing down a lot of minor influencers, especially if they're shilling relatively harmless stuff like ice cream rather than potentially suspect vitamin supplements or something, or if they're not actual famous people. 

For a while, it seemed Jer was being careful about his posts that involved the book publisher he gets freebies from. I think the publisher may have warned him after he basically stated that he was personally giving away books in a contest that actually involved publisher freebies. Other than that, though, they haven't said anything  much about ads in their posts. Realized that almost nobody obeys that rule and virtually everybody gets away with it, I guess. And since they're probably mostly getting products rather than cash, they're quite low on the list for enforcement,  probably. 

 

Edited March 25, 2021 by Churchhoney

[emma675]

18 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I thought on SM if a poster got a product free in exchange for a post, they needed to state, "this is an ad" somewhere.

They're supposed to; something like #ad or #<company name>partner. I think Twitter and Instagram terms of service require it and can suspend an account for violations. But of course, many influencers just ignore that rule.

[ginger90]

Jeremy’s posts are probably more along the lines of advertising himself, hoping the company will contact him. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[GeeGolly]

Just now, ginger90 said:

Jeremy’s posts are probably more along the lines of advertising himself, hoping the company will contact him. 🤷🏼‍♀️

That's what I think, as well.

[Churchhoney]

35 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Jeremy’s posts are probably more along the lines of advertising himself, hoping the company will contact him. 🤷🏼‍♀️

I agree that that's very often true. Definitely for many if not all of the dining and coffee joints, for example. 

But I don't think it's true for the book publisher or for Salt & Straw, specifically, since they've done many many posts for both.

And because those particular companies can really benefit, in ways that others may not or don't need to, from having influencers exactly like Jinge and Jeremy -- and thus given those influencers a little free product. Obviously. I may be wrong about this. However, they're far from the only people who post ads without noting the fact. So doing it figuring you'll get away with it isn't at all unheard of, since the enforcement focuses almost entirely on businesses and agencies, not individuals, except for the very famous. 

 

 

Edited March 25, 2021 by Churchhoney

[laurakaye]

16 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Bwahaha...he posted another one. 🤣

https://www.instagram.com/p/CM0RvXxlJ2F/?igshid=b0x31wogku4m

"Ahhhh...now this is the money shot.  My manly scruff is on full display whilst at the same time, my desperately receding hairline is cleverly concealed from view.  My supple lips are front and center - not only are they my best feature besides my eyes, my legs, my biceps and my intellect, they are the wellspring of my words....my introspective cogitation....my reflective contemplation, through which I impart my wisdom amongst the unwashed lowly masses.  My shirt fits snugly against my manly chestal area, once again drawing attention to yet another of my best features while my followers read the words imprinted thereupon.  This photo...this is the one that will surely catapult me into the stratosphere of influence.  I shall post, then partake of a solo coffee on a patio in the sun and await the plethora of messages, begging for my time and attention! - here comes a message now!  From Nike?  Men's Health?  GQ?  Alas, nay - just Jinger asking me where I am with the diapers I was supposed to pick up....*sigh.*  My life, it is so challenging."

[CherryMalotte]

The King is coming...Elvis is back from his island?

 

What an idiot poseur he is.  

[louannems]

On 3/23/2021 at 10:27 AM, Churchhoney said:

Interesting thought. He's said in the past that when he was cut from the New York Bulls, he went into a bit of a tailspin. Always hard to know how seriously to take anybody when they describe that kind of thing, since one person's tailspin may look like somebody else's minor upset, but still...

I think Jer described just hanging around his parents' house sleeping all the time after he left the Bulls. As I recall, Chuck kind of took the lead and found some opportunities for him in Texas, on the minor-league soccer team and with Tim Conway's San Antonio Grace Church,. And then I think maybe Chuck actually drove Jer to Texas to get him started? 

So -- while I may be misremembering or his story may overstate the case, it's possible resiliency is an issue for him....He is the baby of his family and I think has been pretty cherished on that account. Largely homeschooled. Possible he's just never had much experience with struggling and recovering....

I distinctly remember when Jeremy announced his engagement to his parents.  Both of their jaws dropped in surprise.  I always thought his parents had assumed Jeremy was just not good marriage material, for reasons they knew.

[Tikichick]

1 hour ago, Churchhoney said:

I agree that that's very often true. Definitely for many if not all of the dining and coffee joints, for example. 

But I don't think it's true for the book publisher or for Salt & Straw, specifically, since they've done many many posts for both.

And because those particular companies can really benefit, in ways that others may not or don't need to, from having influencers exactly like Jinge and Jeremy -- and thus given those influencers a little free product. Obviously. I may be wrong about this. However, they're far from the only people who post ads without noting the fact. So doing it figuring you'll get away with it isn't at all unheard of, since the enforcement focuses almost entirely on businesses and agencies, not individuals, except for the very famous. 

 

 

What do you call breakout stars, chopped liver?

[JoanArc]

1 hour ago, Tikichick said:

What do you call breakout stars, chopped liver?

 Pate that’s been left out too long. 

[BitterApple]

Oh, look. Jeremy and Jinger have rebranded again. Podcast Instagram is under construction as some sort of cooking venture. What will they be hawking this time?

 

Edited March 25, 2021 by BitterApple

[GeeGolly]

11 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Oh, look. Jeremy and Jinger have rebranded again. Podcast Instagram is under construction as some sort of cooking business. What will they be hawking this time?

 

Hope We Hold podcasts, Hope We Hold retail and Hope and Stead retail? 

They are all over the place.

[SMama]

Where’s the cooking part? Jinger is about to whip some gourmet meals. 😂

Edited March 26, 2021 by SMama
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[ginger90]

Jinger put this in her stories, and then  the pizza place put it in theirs. Boxes, a freaking picture of the boxes. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[farmgal4]

36 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Jinger put this in her stories, and then  the pizza place put it in theirs. Boxes, a freaking picture of the boxes. 🤷🏼‍♀️

I think we all know that Jinger had nothing to do with that post. 

[emmawoodhouse]

3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Hope We Hold podcasts, Hope We Hold retail and Hope and Stead retail? 

They are all over the place.

This is the (former) podcast's page. Now it's retail? WTAF?

[DangerousMinds]

1 hour ago, farmgal4 said:

I think we all know that Jinger had nothing to do with that post. 

And that Jinger doesn’t eat pizza.

[Zella]

Is this what it's like to watch a midlife crisis unfold in real time, ten to fifteen years too early? 

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, Zella said:

Is this what it's like to watch a midlife crisis unfold in real time, ten to fifteen years too early? 

It's a trainwreck, that's for sure. And like any good trainwreck, I am rubbernecking. 😂

[Zella]

23 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

It's a trainwreck, that's for sure. And like any good trainwreck, I am rubbernecking. 😂

At this rate, he's days away from adding a ponytail and motorcycle (or sports car) to the trainwreck. 😂

[emmawoodhouse]

Yeah, I could see JereME with a crotch rocket. 😂

[Zella]

9 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Yeah, I could see JereME with a crotch rocket. 😂

I'm already exhausted just imagining how he'd post about that on the Gram. 

Edited March 26, 2021 by Zella

[emmawoodhouse]

Just now, Zella said:

I'm already exhausted just imagining how he'd post about that on the Gram. 

Oh, the poses! What kids????? 

[Misslindsey]

On 3/24/2021 at 8:51 PM, QuinnInND said:

$13.00 a pint ice cream?!? Seriously?? Who the hell would pay that much for ice cream?? Unreal. 

 

Hee! Me. I would pay 13 dollars for ice cream. I do enjoy Salt and Straw, but tend to buy more of Jeni's ice cream which is around 12 dollars for a pint. I spend a ridiculous amount on wine as well. 

Edited March 26, 2021 by Misslindsey

[Girl in a Cardigan]

Just now, Misslindsey said:

Hee! Me. I would pay 13 dollars for ice cream. I do enjoy Salt and Straw, but tend to buy more of Jeni's ice cream. I spend a ridiculous amount on wine as well. 

Thank you! I rarely buy Salt & Straw by the pint, but that shizz is LEGIT! And living in a big city in California, that price doesn't really faze me. If I can get out of a dessert store for less than $20, I feel like I'm doing well. And if S&S wants to send me $100 worth of ice cream in a bag, you know I'd be posting about it on Insta. I mean, I'm not an influencer, so I don't get stuff for free, but I still tag good businesses.

Jinger's pizza photo is a little perplexing because you'd think you'd want to actually show the pizza. And why do they need like 5 large pizzas for 2 1/2 people? But it's not surprising to me that the pizza place would repost her story. A lot of places repost all of their mentions. Yesterday, I posted a photo in my stories from a tattoo artist in another country because it featured a cartoon I like and the artist reposted my story thanking me for posting. 😂

[Snow Fairy]

Why don't they brand themselves for what they are - a religious family, 2 cute kids, dad and mom, living in LA. They could get so much more audience from that. But no, shoes and food is so much better

[Quof]

28 minutes ago, Snow Fairy said:

a religious family, 2 1 cute kids, and 1 kid of unknown appearance, dad and mom, 

 

[Tikichick]

13 hours ago, SMama said:

Where’s the cooking part? Jinger is about to whip some gourmet meals. 😂

Tater Tots stock jumped 12% when this news broke.

[Churchhoney]

15 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Oh, look. Jeremy and Jinger have rebranded again. Podcast Instagram is under construction as some sort of cooking venture. What will they be hawking this time?

 

It's the Second Coming! 

Is that what "The King Is Coming" t shirt was about? (and if so -- worse and worse and I didn't think it could get worse...)

Edited March 26, 2021 by Churchhoney

[Churchhoney]

5 hours ago, Snow Fairy said:

Why don't they brand themselves for what they are - a religious family, 2 cute kids, dad and mom, living in LA. They could get so much more audience from that. But no, shoes and food is so much better

My guess is that, despite his declared career ambitions, Jer isn't actually, deep down, very interested in religion (maybe not in kids and family either, but definitely not in religion). 

He really really loves shoes and food, though. So it makes no sense to me that -- since he already has one and a half business degrees -- he didn't finish up the Syracuse degree online while seeking a job in a food or fashion business that he likes after his sports career didn't work out and his first pastoral job didn't make him happy.

All I can figure is that he so wants to be his parents' golden boy and to be a big shot leader of men that those desires overwhelm any common sense. Preaching seems to him like the road to those -- outcome-centered, rather than interest-centered -- goals...while working in the food or the fashion business doesn't.

But the food and the fashion business are things he likes. And he could work successfully in one of those without having to be a public speaker -- which he's terrible at -- or even a writer, which he doesn't seem very good at either. 

If that hypothesis is anything like what actually happened, he'll continue to founder careerwise probably, I would guess. And be unhappy. 

 

Edited March 26, 2021 by Churchhoney

[Snow Fairy]

But he can't ignore the fact he married a Duggar, and they won't get any endorsements and will keep loosing the one they actually manage to get, as it happened before - because everyone knows Duggar beliefs.

He just does not know how to find his place 

[GeeGolly]

I'm thinking maybe the online podcasts and stores are more gimmicks and interests, rather than career pursuits. 

Jeremy fancy's himself a celebrity. Almost every celebrity out there has a side gig and not always for the money. These gigs include cookbooks, alcohol, podcasts, clothing lines, shoes, kid's books, health & wellness blogs, etc. Maybe he's just doing a sucky job at being a 'celebrity'.

[leighdear]

39 minutes ago, Snow Fairy said:

But he can't ignore the fact he married a Duggar, and they won't get any endorsements and will keep loosing the one they actually manage to get, as it happened before - because everyone knows Duggar beliefs.

He just does not know how to find his place 

He will never find that place.  Because as has been pointed out before, some people will search every square inch of the Vuolo's lives to find something they can torpedo, just because. 

We've all seen the absolute glee some individuals take in heading straight to a new or potential sponsor, in order to trash this couple in social media and point out every single bad thing they can.  Even when they can only base it on the fact that there is a Duggar involved somewhere.

   

[Tikichick]

11 minutes ago, leighdear said:

He will never find that place.  Because as has been pointed out before, some people will search every square inch of the Vuolo's lives to find something they can torpedo, just because. 

We've all seen the absolute glee some individuals take in heading straight to a new or potential sponsor, in order to trash this couple in social media and point out every single bad thing they can.  Even when they can only base it on the fact that there is a Duggar involved somewhere.

   

The fact that he will never find that place can be simply down to his struggle to know and understand himself, his aptitudes and talents.   That's the case for many, many people, and it can make life very difficult and much less enjoyable.   A lot of people in the public eye go through this after their 15 minutes of fame are up, sometimes when their careers go through a valley.   Some manage to reinvent themselves publicly, some find their spot out of the spotlight, sometimes it may be the reason others fall into substance abuse, etc.   Even those who are born with a silver spoon, or a crown as it were, can suffer immensely trying to find the spot where they can achieve balance that works for them.     

[Snow Fairy]

26 minutes ago, leighdear said:

He will never find that place.  Because as has been pointed out before, some people will search every square inch of the Vuolo's lives to find something they can torpedo, just because. 

We've all seen the absolute glee some individuals take in heading straight to a new or potential sponsor, in order to trash this couple in social media and point out every single bad thing they can.  Even when they can only base it on the fact that there is a Duggar involved somewhere.

   

That's why I said that they needed to work on their "religious family living modern life in LA" branding. They wouldn't hide the Duggar side, the Jesus side, the food and shoes side - they could blend this together to be interesting

But who am I kidding, that's Baabe I'm talking about

[GeeGolly]

27 minutes ago, leighdear said:

He will never find that place.  Because as has been pointed out before, some people will search every square inch of the Vuolo's lives to find something they can torpedo, just because. 

We've all seen the absolute glee some individuals take in heading straight to a new or potential sponsor, in order to trash this couple in social media and point out every single bad thing they can.  Even when they can only base it on the fact that there is a Duggar involved somewhere.

   

8 minutes ago, Tikichick said:

The fact that he will never find that place can be simply down to his struggle to know and understand himself, his aptitudes and talents.   That's the case for many, many people, and it can make life very difficult and much less enjoyable.   A lot of people in the public eye go through this after their 15 minutes of fame are up, sometimes when their careers go through a valley.   Some manage to reinvent themselves publicly, some find their spot out of the spotlight, sometimes it may be the reason others fall into substance abuse, etc.   Even those who are born with a silver spoon, or a crown as it were, can suffer immensely trying to find the spot where they can achieve balance that works for them.     

Both these theories could be right and when combined it seems like an uphill battle.

 

[MargeGunderson]

I think Jeremy wants fame and power in whatever way he can get it, but doesn’t have the drive and vision to make it happen. We saw how half-assed he was a pastor at the church in Laredo, especially after he married Jinger. Then he gloms on to McArthur and his organization as his ticket to fame, while simultaneously trying to cash in on the Duggar name to be an influencer. Problem is, he doesn’t seem to  have a vision beyond “get people to notice me and give me stuff.” Their brand is a mess, there is no cohesion in their messaging, and for 2 people who have a book coming out, seem to be doing fuck-all to promote it. He wants the rewards without the work. All sizzle, no steak.

Edited March 26, 2021 by MargeGunderson

[Tikichick]

46 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Both these theories could be right and when combined it seems like an uphill battle.

 

Just from the aspect of people who are floundering to find the place in life where they are fulfilled and have a feeling of purpose and capability is an uphill battle in and of itself.   I think an easy way to look at that for everyone to relate to is looking at people who became famous as children.   What happens when the source of their initial fame comes to an end?   So many have had really public and unfortunate paths while they grappled with what to do next.   Without a doubt that's a hard thing for people to go through, and fame no doubt only adds layers of difficulty to the mix.

In regards to the idea that they are merely the innocent victims to malicious gangs of social media warriors out to destroy them, IDK.   There no doubt are people who engage in stuff like that for sport, which is truly unfortunate.   But it also has to be considered that others may well reach out to sponsors or companies or whatever and voice their concerns about affiliating with Jeremy and Jinger as a legitimate counter argument to public opinions they put out there that could be viewed in a light of marginalizing others or trampling on other belief systems.   In that case it seems Jeremy and Jinger need to accept that there can be a price to disseminating their opinions publicly as they do and they have no right to expect that they are entitled to a bully pulpit.  

[Churchhoney]

It's simple, really. You can't be the face of two contradictory enterprises, both of which want to attract people to their door. If he were clear on that, I don't think he'd have much of a problem. 

He's now the face of MacArthur and MacArthur-type Calvinism. (And he's also married to a Duggar, and the Duggars, and Duggar-adjacents -- all of them as far as anybody knows -- embrace the exact same principles that make MacArthur-type Calvinism controversal. They reject any acceptance of homosexuality, and they insist that women are not to lead, either in the home or outside of it, including, for example, teaching even a single class at a seminary.)

Those two things are essential -- not peripheral at all -- to the MacArthur-Calvinism niche.  That's consistently made clear by not just MacArthur but by his many colleagues and by many of his seminary alums and so on. Over and over again.

So if Jer embraces them -- which he must, since he strongly embraces the MacArthur-Calvinism brand and philosophy -- then he's choosing his niche. And there's nothing at all wrong with him choosing a niche. If he believes in that niche, then it's fine for him to embrace it.  If he believes in it, he should embrace it. 

But....it's a very controversial niche, mainly because of those two things. (This year, Macarthur added the right to disobey any public-health rules that interfere with in-person church participation to his core principles, apparently, so that's a third controversial plank. But the same goes for it as for the others.) 

Once you choose to be a public representative of any niche about whose principles many people strongly disagree, then that's your niche. If you want to partner with or be the face of any other enterprise or business, you have to choose one that is compatible with the controversial principles of your niche. 

So no enterprise that wants to attract LGBQT people or feminists as part of its customer base is a suitable partner for Jer and Jinge, and Jer and Jinge aren't suitable representatives for them. Jer and Jinge love Grace Community Church of LA. They're faces of that church. So....the principles of the niche they've chosen preclude them from being the face of anybody in a niche that holds the opposite of MacArthur's key views.. If you're known to be associated with such a niche, then that may drive away customers who vehemently disagree with your key principles. That's just a fact of life. 

But guess what???  There are plenty of  companies and organizations that he could partner with or be a representative of that are completely compatible with the principles of the MacArthur-Calvinism niche. So there's no reason he can't brand himself and work with people who brand themselves similarly. As @Snow Fairy has pointed out, there's a perfectly good brand available to him -- but he does little to really go for that brand niche. 

Now, can he partner with anybody he wants to,  just because he likes the non-gluten donuts or whatever that they sell?

No. Nobody is going to have much if any luck trying to be key participants in two contradictory niches. (It's not impossible to work for somebody in a contradictory niche, of course. But why waste your time and energy and court repeated disappointment by even trying? It's a big world and every niche has people to work with, so try those first, at least.)

All he needs to do to have a lot more success than they've had so far is find organizations that agree with the MacArthur-Calvinist controversial views and generally just avoid organizations who hold opposing views, at least until he's happy with the number of gigs he has, so that losing a new one he's tried to land isn't really a blow).

If they'd been doing this from the beginning, I think they'd have had plenty of partnerships and gigs. But instead they've gone after partnerships with people who are on the other side of a huge controversy that has tremendous ability to turn off your customers, no matter which side of the divide you're on. (and, of course, most of those people weren't careful enough either -- although I think they probably never expected a MacArthur Calvinist to show up and want to sell donuts in their sex-positive lefty stores...) 

Nobody who holds any controversial views can expect to just hook up with any business. Nobody's being unfair to Jer and Jingle by refusing to have them  as the business's face after they learn what niche they actually represent. Literally no one will be an acceptable representative or partner for every business. If I tried to work for the Ark Encounter or Focus on the Family, they wouldn't hire me, no matter how much they needed any skill I might offer them. And that would be the smart move on their part. 

Jer's wanted it all, seems to me. And when you try to have it all, you often end up with little or nothing. Hoping for the sake of their little family that he figures this out. 

And you don't have to be Einstein to figure it out. As big a jerk as Der's repeatedly been and as much of a dumb-ass as he's appeared to be at times, I doubt he'll apply for jobs at law firms that specialize in gender-discrimination cases brought by trans people. And applying for a job and asking somebody to be their influencer are pretty similar. 

Edited March 26, 2021 by Churchhoney

[GeeGolly]

I think there certainly has been a learning curve for the Vuolos. First, I think they both lived in tiny worlds, (yes, Jeremy too) and didn't realize the amount of folks who 100% disagree with their beliefs. Secondly, they didn't realize the amount of advocacy or hate their detractors have.

In their worlds, believers are/were admired and spreading the word is/was admirable.

I believe they have started to recognize and embrace this, and pivoted to their podcasts and ridiculous 'store(s)'.

Maybe Jeremy is still fishing for influencer gigs and seeing who will bite. What's there to lose?

I don't think Jeremy risks his reputation with the Fundy community because of his IG posts. He's a Fundy with bougie tastes. If believers can overlook the helicopters, mansions and cars of big time preachers, expensive ice cream and sneakers are really no big deal for a D-list celebrity, going to school to become a preacher.

[Zella]

Yeah, Jinger and Jeremy getting cancelled when they do sponsorships isn't just a matter of people ganging up on them. Yes, some people do take a lot of pleasure in reporting them every time they get a sponsorship, but they're not innocent victims. They also bring a lot of this on themselves because they are so bad at it and because they try to have their cake and eat it too. Their messaging is a disaster with no focus. Even when they haven't been cancelled, they've fucked up the gig because they don't know how to do an ad. They also choose to work with people who don't share their values, and they refuse to disavow the beliefs that cause people to complain about them. That is their prerogative, but there are consequences for aligning yourself with people like MacArthur (and the Duggars, for that matter). There are also consequences for being inept at your job. 

To be honest, if Jinger and Jeremy were my family or friends, I'd probably be having conversations with other people in our circle on how to stage an intervention. It's funny to watch this implode as a snarker, but if someone I genuinely cared about was doing this, including but not limited to the weird, almost unhinged shit he's posting on social media right now and how exhausted and miserable she looks and how they keep changing careers like a billionaire burning through trophy wives, I'd be concerned about their mental well-being. 

Edited March 26, 2021 by Zella

[Albanyguy]

2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

But the food and the fashion business are things he likes. And he could work successfully in one of those without having to be a public speaker -- which he's terrible at -- or even a writer, which he doesn't seem very good at either. 

I couldn't agree more, but the problem for Jeremy is that he doesn't have the discipline or the inclination to score an entry-level job in either food or fashion and then work his way up through the ranks. Nor would he be content with a desk job or a behind-the-scenes position. More than an interest in any particular profession, Jeremy wants to be a STAR. He wanted to be a hero on the soccer field and his goal in religion is to be a famous and powerful preacher like MacArthur or a Calvinist version of Joel Osteen. Fashion and food would only work for him if he could be a model in the pages of GQ or the host of a cooking show. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, he doesn't have the speaking or writing skills (or the looks, for that matter) to succeed. His best bet is to stick with MacArthur and hope that his patron will find a safe, secure niche for him. 

[Zella]

1 minute ago, Albanyguy said:

I couldn't agree more, but the problem for Jeremy is that he doesn't have the discipline or the inclination to score an entry-level job in either food or fashion and then work his way up through the ranks.

Yes. He doesn't even have the discipline, determination, and wherewithal to persist with any of his influencing gigs, eithers! Though they are just now making it obvious, it seems like Hope and Stead lasted all of 6 weeks before it was dropped. 

[Churchhoney]

34 minutes ago, Albanyguy said:

I couldn't agree more, but the problem for Jeremy is that he doesn't have the discipline or the inclination to score an entry-level job in either food or fashion and then work his way up through the ranks. Nor would he be content with a desk job or a behind-the-scenes position. More than an interest in any particular profession, Jeremy wants to be a STAR. He wanted to be a hero on the soccer field and his goal in religion is to be a famous and powerful preacher like MacArthur or a Calvinist version of Joel Osteen. Fashion and food would only work for him if he could be a model in the pages of GQ or the host of a cooking show. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, he doesn't have the speaking or writing skills (or the looks, for that matter) to succeed. His best bet is to stick with MacArthur and hope that his patron will find a safe, secure niche for him. 

All most likely true, sadly. 

The only hitch with his best bet is that before terribly long MacArthur will, one way or another, age out of his top spot.

Then Jer's gotta make sure he's backing the right horse among the potential successors.....Sometimes that's tricky! 

Edited March 26, 2021 by Churchhoney

[Zella]

1 minute ago, Churchhoney said:

All most likely true, sadly. 

The only hitch with his best bet s that before terribly long MacArthur will, one way or another, age out of his top spot.

Then Jer's gotta make sure he's backing the right horse among the potential successors.....Sometimes that's tricky! 

My guess is it's gonna be Death of Stalin levels of absurdity at the seminary when MacArthur passes.

[Tikichick]

21 minutes ago, Zella said:

My guess is it's gonna be Death of Stalin levels of absurdity at the seminary when MacArthur passes.

Which is really telling if the mission is really supposed to be about faith in Christ, or not as the case may be.   If the focus is truly learning about and spreading the message of Christ it's expected they would mourn a beloved founder, but be able to readily continue the mission.

[Churchhoney]

26 minutes ago, Zella said:

My guess is it's gonna be Death of Stalin levels of absurdity at the seminary when MacArthur passes.

And possibly at the church as well. And at Grace to You, the media arm. And at the University. 🙃

There are FOUR big enterprises to fight over here. Apocalypse. 

[DangerousMinds]

9 hours ago, Snow Fairy said:

Why don't they brand themselves for what they are - a religious family, 2 cute kids, dad and mom, living in LA. They could get so much more audience from that. But no, shoes and food is so much better

Because there are so many of those out there already? None of that would make them special or interesting.

4 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

It's the Second Coming! 

Is that what "The King Is Coming" t shirt was about? (and if so -- worse and worse and I didn't think it could get worse...)

Are we sure that isn’t a Kanye shirt? 🤣

[crazy8s]

10 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Because there are so many of those out there already? None of that would make them special or interesting.

Are we sure that isn’t a Kanye shirt? 🤣

i think it is from Push Project https://www.pushprojectco.com/products/king-is-coming-space-blue-unisex-t-shirt