S03.E08: Whit's End

[pasdetrois]

I think that the main cast is still trying to figure out how to out-maneuver Kathryn, control and limit her exposure in the show, and adapt their own TV personas in relation to her. They've all been upstaged and resent her because of it. It's them against the producers. Whitney, Patricia and Cameran are trying to cut her out, and Shep and Craig are trying to improve their camera personas by pretending to be on her side.

While Thomas may have intended to go to LA in advance of Kathryn's due date, I'm not sure he would have wanted to go once her doctor decided to induce her earlier. With the unexpected inducement, I think the producers scrambled, manipulated the editing around and added some scripting to make it seem as if Kathryn was furious. (We didn't actually see it.) The nanny's telephone conversation with Thomas, informing him of Kathryn's "rage," sounded very scripted to me. Thomas is doing whatever he can do to protect his male heir, so he goes along with the production nonsense.

Craig tried out his producer-driven storyline as the Whitney Provocateur and got the reaction the producers wanted. I think what enfuriated Whitney was that he didn't see it coming; he probably feels very betrayed by production at this point and was angry. Cameran and the others were surprised too.

Does anyone believe Thomas would bother with assembling baby furniture? That's an excuse to put him and Kathryn together, since they aren't in a relationship. Kathryn tried to muster up some indignation while they talked, but even she seemed embarrassed by and tired of all the drama.

[trimthatfat]

I found the whole scene with Craig and Whitney hilarious. Whitney was so pissed. I can totally buy that he had feelings for Kathryn and was slightly hurt that she chose Thomas and slept with Shep. I KNEW Craig was still pissed about how Whitney acted when he brought Whitney/Shep to his childhood home and that he was waiting for the opportunity to embarrass Whitney on national television like he was embarrassed last season. I think the group was mad because they didn't expect this from Craig, but they should have seen it coming with how often he brings Kathryn up and wanting to know why she's being iced out. Honestly, I thought it was great television.

Without Kathryn, there is no show and I'm sure the cast realizes that. There's only so many trips they can take to make the show interesting. Dani is right - they accept Thomas with open arms and reject Kathryn even though they are two peas in a pod. It's hypocritical.

[Mountainair]

I really don't see the big deal about Thomas going to LA a week before Kathryn's induction date. If it were my spouse I would not be ok with it but this is not her spouse. Just a sperm donor. She can't have it both ways. They aren't in a relationship so it's not right for her to dictate every minute of the mans life. If anything he shouldn't be able to go to LA because he's spending time with Kensie but it's obvious the nanny does 99% of that. I mean, who the hell gets into a rage in the middle of the night and just up and storms out of the house? She didn't even tell the nanny she was leaving or where she was going? And she's on bed rest? Every time they show her she's standing up doing something- except for the well choreographed scene when Craig comes over and she's shopping on the couch. I'm sorry I just can't with Kathryn. I'm not giving Thomas a pass but the reality is that when you are a woman that carries a child the ball is in your fucking court. If you don't want the burden then don't procreate (TWICE!!!) with a known loser and then complain about how he's not helping out. 

[bosawks]

Craig's confused puppy face when he realizes there might be an actual ramification to his actions is unceasingly amusing.

[Sun-Bun]

6 minutes ago, Mountainair said:

I really don't see the big deal about Thomas going to LA a week before Kathryn's induction date. If it were my spouse I would not be ok with it but this is not her spouse. Just a sperm donor. She can't have it both ways. They aren't in a relationship so it's not right for her to dictate every minute of the mans life. If anything he shouldn't be able to go to LA because he's spending time with Kensie but it's obvious the nanny does 99% of that. I mean, who the hell gets into a rage in the middle of the night and just up and storms out of the house? She didn't even tell the nanny she was leaving or where she was going? And she's on bed rest? Every time they show her she's standing up doing something- except for the well choreographed scene when Craig comes over and she's shopping on the couch. I'm sorry I just can't with Kathryn. I'm not giving Thomas a pass but the reality is that when you are a woman that carries a child the ball is in your fucking court. If you don't want the burden then don't procreate (TWICE!!!) with a known loser and then complain about how he's not helping out. 

Total agreement...although I know, he probably shouldn't have been planning a trip period after Kathryn told him her news, but she lost me when she just decided to up and disappear like that. And then to childishly ignore Thomas's calls when he was due to come over and help put furniture together for her and see Kensie? Ugh, I can't stand pouters---if you're upset, deal with it and move on, but quit wasting everyone's time with such spineless melodrama!

Agreed on how she really has no say over his schedule at this point---they're not married or living together and that's about it...seemed a bit much to me for her to throw a hissyfit over an LA trip that he hadn't even discussed with her yet. And then look how agreeable he was when she finally just chilled out and sweetly said, "I really need you right now..." Proves to me just how much Kathryn fucked up their chances at a real relationship/marriage---her temper tantrums only pushed him farther away, when she could've had him at her loving mercy had she just learned to go with the flow and bite her tongue. Serenity now, KiKi!!

[DeepRed]

39 minutes ago, pasdetrois said:

I think that the main cast is still trying to figure out how to out-maneuver Kathryn, control and limit her exposure in the show, and adapt their own TV personas in relation to her. They've all been upstaged and resent her because of it. It's them against the producers. Whitney, Patricia and Cameran are trying to cut her out, and Shep and Craig are trying to improve their camera personas by pretending to be on her side.

While Thomas may have intended to go to LA in advance of Kathryn's due date, I'm not sure he would have wanted to go once her doctor decided to induce her earlier. With the unexpected inducement, I think the producers scrambled, manipulated the editing around and added some scripting to make it seem as if Kathryn was furious. (We didn't actually see it.) The nanny's telephone conversation with Thomas, informing him of Kathryn's "rage," sounded very scripted to me. Thomas is doing whatever he can do to protect his male heir, so he goes along with the production nonsense.

Craig tried out his producer-driven storyline as the Whitney Provocateur and got the reaction the producers wanted. I think what enfuriated Whitney was that he didn't see it coming; he probably feels very betrayed by production at this point and was angry. Cameran and the others were surprised too.

<snip>

In a nutshell this is why the show is now a big ol' mess for me.  The fourth wall is irretrievably broken, and when that becomes so visible these kinds od reality shows become unwatchable.  The cast's maneuvering to take sides, drive plot lines or stay relevant are so transparent now.

23 minutes ago, Mountainair said:

I really don't see the big deal about Thomas going to LA a week before Kathryn's induction date. If it were my spouse I would not be ok with it but this is not her spouse. Just a sperm donor. She can't have it both ways. They aren't in a relationship so it's not right for her to dictate every minute of the mans life. If anything he shouldn't be able to go to LA because he's spending time with Kensie but it's obvious the nanny does 99% of that. I mean, who the hell gets into a rage in the middle of the night and just up and storms out of the house? She didn't even tell the nanny she was leaving or where she was going? And she's on bed rest? Every time they show her she's standing up doing something- except for the well choreographed scene when Craig comes over and she's shopping on the couch. I'm sorry I just can't with Kathryn. I'm not giving Thomas a pass but the reality is that when you are a woman that carries a child the ball is in your fucking court. If you don't want the burden then don't procreate (TWICE!!!) with a known loser and then complain about how he's not helping out. 

Yep.  This is why Patricia said these two are "morons" and I couldn't agree more.  Thomas and Kathryn aren't together as a couple, so why should Kathryn be bent out of shape about what Thomas does with Whitney in LA... yet she has to provide drama to keep her face on the show, plus keep her paycheck... yet Thomas shouldn't be held hostage to her mood swings and crazy reactions... yet he is, because these two won't work out a legally binding custody agreement.  It's the same old tired crap, week in and week out now.

And not for nothing, but as much as Whitney is still seething about Kathryn three seasons on, Kathryn is still trying to drive a wedge between him and Thomas.  She needs to give it a rest herself.

 

ETA dang, SunBun, you beat me to it!

Edited May 24, 2016 by DeepRed

[DeepRed]

10 hours ago, Major Bigtime said:

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I'm getting tired of Thomas and Kathryn. I want him to find a new serious girlfriend, closer to his age, with tact and class. If such a companion exists for T-Rav. I want Kathryn to go back to Monck's Corner.

I want to see far less of Thomas and a lot more of his mansion-porn.

[scrb]

Remember when Dani blew off Thomas in season 1?

She said his record would be bad for her family. 

Was that the real reason or did she have an intuition about him?

[mytmo]

Cameron has gotten real ugly this season. You go Craig in firing off the truth cannon!

Mr Mytmo said in passing when Whitless was serenading "That nerd is trying waay to hard".

My apologies to needs everywhere.

[Babyfoot]

I'd rather hang out with Patricia and Whitney, too, Cameran.

[njbchlover]

22 minutes ago, DeepRed said:

I want to see far less of Thomas and a lot more of his mansion-porn.

That mansion is gorgeous - inside and out!!  

[RedHawk]

Whitney's crack about Shep "chasing sixes". I'd come back with "Better to have a 6 in bed every night than one 9 that has to pretend to like me." 

Gonna wander over to Twitter now and see if Shep did respond to that. Or maybe he took the high road and let Whitney's "They usually don't go for me" speak for itself.

[RedHawk]

Despite the increasingly obvious scripting and producer manipulation I am LOVING this show. Watched half last night and then this morning watched the hilarious second-half comedy sketch (yes, it was!) that was Whitney's attempts to impress and seduce Larissa.

The parts that aren't scripted and are simply human nature at its most immature and funniest fuel the show. Whitney and Kathryn continue their epic tug-of-war to control Thomas. The thought "Is he even worth all this effort?" doesn't seem to have entered their minds. 

Craig and Naomie's romantic idyll hit a snag when she saw him in a bad (morning) light. Oh well, pep up sweeties, you're still gonna get voted "Cutest Couple". (Except, really, are we absolutely sure Craig was chewing tobacco? How would a girl like Naomie even put up with that?)

I enjoy how Shep just plays his role, plugs his Palace, and keeps on smiling.

Edited May 24, 2016 by RedHawk

[Anna525]

I used to like Cameran and listening to her insight. This season, she seems more like a bully and a diva who does not know (does not want to know?) how to cook and does not want to have anything to do with having kids. While I have no problem with people choosing not to have children, she acted like she would get into an anaphylactic reaction if she got pregnant herself. She was so quick to alienate herself from Craig and align with Whitney. I thought she was a good friend to everyone. But then again this is all producer-driven and I understand they have to take sides. I just don't like her point of view this season. 

[Vivigirl10]

I didn't like Dawn the nanny's "mediating".  It bugged me as much as her need to wear scrubs and her explaining to T-Rav that Kathryn is so "overwhelmed".  The "poor me" routine because she has a baby on the way and another little one at home falls completely flat.  Kathryn, this ain't cancer.  You weren't struck randomly by some supremely bad luck.  Girlfriend, this "overwhelmed" state is 100% your own doing.  You made deliberate, thought out choices to end up single with two babies.  No pity here.  You made this bed, now go lie in it, with all it's dirty, stinky sheets and missing pillows.  Boo-hoo.  

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 If I was Naomi, I'd really want to know why the Whitney/Kathryn relationship matters so much to him.

That's exactly what she needs to say!  In my experience, if a man seems too fixated on another woman, there's a reason.  And it's not a good one.

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What the heck was on Whit's lip when he returned to the group after he went and sulked when Craig confronted him.

Thank you! Did Craig punch him and they didn't show it?  Sudden onset of herpes?  

I think they've crossed into reality territory where all of this is completely scripted and they are all 100% in on the joke.  Whitney included.  And I guess I'm in the minority because I would watch The Whitney Show all day. The guy is so over-the-top, completely ridiculous that I find it riveting and fascinating!   

When I was watching last night, I was struck with the same feeling you get when you are about to finish a book full of characters that you really liked and you know you are going to miss them once you reach the last page.  I think we're rapidly closing in on the last chapter.  I've enjoyed these fools but I think the show's run out of steam.  

[njbchlover]

9 minutes ago, RedHawk said:

Whitney's crack about Shep "chasing sixes". I'd come back with "Better to have a 6 in bed every night than one 9 that has to pretend to like me." 

Gonna wander over to Twitter now and see if Shep did respond to that. Or maybe he took the high road and let Whitney's "They usually don't go for me" speak for itself.

LOL!!! 

Whitney is an enigma to me.  At times, I appreciate his dry, sarcastic wit and sense of humor (especially during his talking heads), but at other times, especially when he's in a social setting, he seems awkward, uncomfortable and unlikable.

And that song that he "wrote"....wow - what, did he write the lyrics while waiting for his breakfast hot dogs to cook in the microwave?  The lyrics sounded like they took about two minutes to write!  My 9 year old niece (who does seem to be gifted musically) recently wrote a song that had much deeper and thought out lyrics that "I love you, I love you, I fuckin' love you".....

[RedHawk]

It was the "fuckin'" that really made the song for me.

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[izabella]

15 minutes ago, Kiki620 said:

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What the heck was on Whit's lip when he returned to the group after he went and sulked when Craig confronted him.

Thank you! Did Craig punch him and they didn't show it?  Sudden onset of herpes?  

I was noticing that, too.  It suddenly appeared when Whitney came back for Craig's non-apology, and then it was gone the next morning when he and Cam decided to leave Shep's house.  I wondered if there had been a fist-fight they didn't air.

[politichick]

10 hours ago, izabella said:

If Craig devoted half as much energy and focus to his work as he has done to Kathryn/Whitney, he'd have passed the bar already or would at least know what bourbon is.

Too true. And, it looks from the previews like he went off to LA without letting JD know. He's a gossipy little arse. I be Naomi eventually leaves him.

[Higgins]

Shep's 6's are much more attractive than Whitney's beard. He couldn't find a prettier one?

Edited May 24, 2016 by Higgins

[DeepRed]

19 minutes ago, Kiki620 said:

I didn't like Dawn the nanny's "mediating".  It bugged me as much as her need to wear scrubs and her explaining to T-Rav that Kathryn is so "overwhelmed".  The "poor me" routine because she has a baby on the way and another little one at home falls completely flat.  Kathryn, this ain't cancer.  You weren't struck randomly by some supremely bad luck.  Girlfriend, this "overwhelmed" state is 100% your own doing.  You made deliberate, thought out choices to end up single with two babies.  No pity here.  You made this bed, now go lie in it, with all it's dirty, stinky sheets and missing pillows.  Boo-hoo.  

In your house stuffed full of Safavieh Couture.  Did anyone else notice all those boxes?  Now we know where her Bravo paycheck is really going.

[bichonblitz]

10 hours ago, Lizzing said:

I still think he's pissed she hijacked his show, and possibly his bromance with TRav.

^ ^ ^

This!  I think Craig is way off base with his theory. Whit never gave a damn about Kathryn. He's pissed the show took a turn he didn't see coming. Never in his wildest dreams did he think Kathryn would be the star of the show and now he is livid because he can't get BRAVO to get rid of her. 

Speaking of Craig, he needs to STFU now about the whole Kathryn thing before he ruins his relationship with Naomi. I can see her becoming more and more disenchanted with him each episode. 

TRav cracks me up. Ohhhhh, guess I better not spend the night at Shep's mountain house or go to LA. We must keep Kathryn calm and happy until AFTER my heir to the throne is born!! 

[Anna525]

17 minutes ago, Higgins said:

Shep's 6's are much more attractive than Whitney's beard. He couldn't find a prettier one?

Rating the women that Shep sees, even as a joke, is totally a turn-off to me! Very immature of Whitney, let alone picking fights with Kathryn who is half his age. 

[izabella]

To be slightly fair to Thomas, did he agree to go on the LA trip before Kathryn told him that her induction date had been moved up by three weeks?  I can see how, if he thought there were 3 or 4 weeks before the baby comes, that he could go to LA in that time for a weekend.

I don't have kids; why would there be an induction date?  I thought they sometimes scheduled c-sections (though I don't know why they do that, either), but why would they induce labor? 

[Anna525]

3 minutes ago, izabella said:

I don't have kids; why would there be an induction date?  I thought they sometimes scheduled c-sections (though I don't know why they do that, either), but why would they induce labor? 

Kathryn mentioned she was considered high risk due to her high blood pressure, so I am guessing they are inducing labor as early as possible (i.e., as soon as the baby can be delivered).

[b2H]

A high risk pregnancy for any reason can lead to an induction.  After the first child, they don't let things go nearly as long, waiting for something to happen.

I can bet that Whitney had some feelings for Katherine.  You don't let someone move into your home, mother or no mother, if there aren't some feelings.  Whitney's been caught up in his bad judgement (whether or not we like Katherine) of having someone move in in such a short time.  He's been hoping it gets swept under the rug and ignored, but the footage is there to prove that it did, in fact, happen, so he just needs to suck it up and stop playing the injured victim.

Craig, on the other hand, may find himself heading back to Delaware.  The morons of this cast will make his life miserable for calling Whitney out the way he did.  Was it deserved?  Absolutely.  But could've been done a little better.

[gunderda]

34 minutes ago, DeepRed said:

In your house stuffed full of Safavieh Couture.  Did anyone else notice all those boxes?  Now we know where her Bravo paycheck is really going.

I have a feeling that she's got a TRav credit card with her name on it. 

9 minutes ago, izabella said:

I don't have kids; why would there be an induction date?  I thought they sometimes scheduled c-sections (though I don't know why they do that, either), but why would they induce labor? 

I would think because it's a high-risk pregnancy.  (but don't really know either)

My friend has her c-section scheduled.  It's her second child so it's scheduled 1-2 weeks before her due date because she went early about 2 weeks last time.  I don't really know why they scheduled it other than maybe it just makes it easier to plan?  But she has a feeling she will probably go into labor before the scheduled date anyways. 

[Duke2801]

2 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

I think that the main cast is still trying to figure out how to out-maneuver Kathryn, control and limit her exposure in the show, and adapt their own TV personas in relation to her. They've all been upstaged and resent her because of it. It's them against the producers. Whitney, Patricia and Cameran are trying to cut her out, and Shep and Craig are trying to improve their camera personas by pretending to be on her side.

While Thomas may have intended to go to LA in advance of Kathryn's due date, I'm not sure he would have wanted to go once her doctor decided to induce her earlier. With the unexpected inducement, I think the producers scrambled, manipulated the editing around and added some scripting to make it seem as if Kathryn was furious. (We didn't actually see it.) The nanny's telephone conversation with Thomas, informing him of Kathryn's "rage," sounded very scripted to me. Thomas is doing whatever he can do to protect his male heir, so he goes along with the production nonsense.

Craig tried out his producer-driven storyline as the Whitney Provocateur and got the reaction the producers wanted. I think what enfuriated Whitney was that he didn't see it coming; he probably feels very betrayed by production at this point and was angry. Cameran and the others were surprised too.

Does anyone believe Thomas would bother with assembling baby furniture? That's an excuse to put him and Kathryn together, since they aren't in a relationship. Kathryn tried to muster up some indignation while they talked, but even she seemed embarrassed by and tired of all the drama.

(re: the bolded) You know, I had not considered that angle before - but I think you are onto something! It's pretty much what happened between the "older" morons and the "newer, younger" idiots on Vanderpump Rules, too.

1 hour ago, scrb said:

Remember when Dani blew off Thomas in season 1?

She said his record would be bad for her family. 

Was that the real reason or did she have an intuition about him?

I think that might have been part of the reason she rejected him.  And the other parts, well, she is just too polite to say out loud. But I'd imagine they included him being a lecherous, nasty drunk who was too old for her (kinda ironic, of course, considering who he did end up with!) But I imagine Danni knew about the "real" Thomas (aka: the one we're seeing now vs. the Fake TRav persona he tried to project in season 1) long before we did.

1 hour ago, mytmo said:

Cameron has gotten real ugly this season. You go Craig in firing off the truth cannon!

Mr Mytmo said in passing when Whitless was serenading "That nerd is trying waay to hard".

My apologies to needs everywhere.

Mr Duke has never watched this show with me.  But he tuned in for the first few minutes last night and his first question re: Whit was: "Is that guy gay?" 

32 minutes ago, politichick said:

Too true. And, it looks from the previews like he went off to LA without letting JD know. He's a gossipy little arse. I be Naomi eventually leaves him.

I have my doubts that he went traipsing off to LA without telling JD.  I think that clip was either cleverly edited to make it look to be the case - or it really is scripted. But then again, who knows with this idiots?? 

[gunderda]

I want to know what the cast thought after watching these episodes where it shows that Whitney really did like Kathryn and she stayed there!

[trimthatfat]

39 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

^ ^ ^

This!  I think Craig is way off base with his theory. Whit never gave a damn about Kathryn. He's pissed the show took a turn he didn't see coming. Never in his wildest dreams did he think Kathryn would be the star of the show and now he is livid because he can't get BRAVO to get rid of her. 

 

Both he and Cameron keep complaining so they can always leave the show if it's such a hardship. I'm tired of both of them complaining about Kathryn. I don't even like her, but they're so whiny about the situation.

Edited May 24, 2016 by trimthatfat

[DeepRed]

Cameran has turned into such a little pill.  I'm convinced that she was drunk as a skunk when Whitney and Craig had their final conversation/confrontation on the porch that night.  She was pretty sour to Craig when they met for lunch at that drugstore.  Sour and angry isn't a good look on her.  Better watch your paycheck, hon.

[breezy424]

Kathryn said that her blood pressure was really high during this pregnancy and that she was on 'modified' bed rest.  She also said the doctor told her she was also a high risk pregnancy at this point.  That's probably why they moved the induction date up. 

When Thomas found out that the induction date was moved up, he should have cancelled his trip.  It was a vacation and show filming.  Dawn was right.  If Kathryn went into labor (and that is a strong possibility) he'd never get back in time.  He is the child's father and does bear responsibility.  He also has a responsibility to his daughter while her mother is in the hospital.  It was a selfish move.  Both Thomas and Whit don't get that.

I have no doubt JD knew Craig was in CA.  I think there's some editing going on there.  We'll see. 

[Giselle]

1 hour ago, Babyfoot said:

I'd rather hang out with Patricia and Whitney, too, Cameran.

I'd  hang with Patricia but not her drip of a son. God What a wet blanket. He wants the social ease that Thomas and Shep have but it is foreign to him and he is jealous of it. All he has going for him is his mama's wealth and his circle of "yes men" friends.

Craig called it, and Wetney's reaction undeniably confirmed it as true.

[Primetimer]

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[SFoster21]

36 minutes ago, Duke2801 said:

(re: the bolded) You know, I had not considered that angle before - but I think you are onto something! It's pretty much what happened between the "older" morons and the "newer, younger" idiots on Vanderpump Rules, too.

I think that might have been part of the reason she rejected him.  And the other parts, well, she is just too polite to say out loud. But I'd imagine they included him being a lecherous, nasty drunk who was too old for her (kinda ironic, of course, considering who he did end up with!) But I imagine Danni knew about the "real" Thomas (aka: the one we're seeing now vs. the Fake TRav persona he tried to project in season 1) long before we did.

Mr Duke has never watched this show with me.  But he tuned in for the first few minutes last night and his first question re: Whit was: "Is that guy gay?" 

I have my doubts that he went traipsing off to LA without telling JD.  I think that clip was either cleverly edited to make it look to be the case - or it really is scripted. But then again, who knows with this idiots?? 

I saw Whitney's documentary in Netflix and he not only reads as gay there, the participants seem to take it as a given. 

Many men have had both male and female lovers, and he is one of them, imo.

 

The looks he gives Thomas!  His hostility to Craig, if you ask me, is based in sexual frustration. He's attracted to him.

[zoeysmom]

If Kathryn is on bedrest why aren't the nanny and Kinsey staying with Thomas and the nanny taking Kinsey over to her home for visits?  That would be the only reason I can see Thomas giving up a work trip weekend.  I always get the impression Kathryn tries way too hard to control those around her and does not do a good job of it.  If Thomas were in the NFL would he have to cancel an away game 11 days before the induced labor? 

Kudos to Craig for visiting Kathryn and telling her how things stood.  Craig may not have had the best delivery but I find it reasonable that someone would harbor negative feelings against someone he dated who ditched him for a good friend. I mean, why not just say add it to the list of reasons he dislikes Kathryn. The two kids out of wedlock comment, she didn't have two kids when she was having her sleepovers with Whitney.

The show needs Kathryn more than it needs Whitney.  I did not believe his relationship with Larrissa.  They looked like two people passing time together on a movie set. 

[Sun-Bun]

I honestly think both Kathryn and Whitney are fudging on the actual details of their former fling.

I don't think it was quite the "relationship" that Kathryn made it out to be, especially when being recounted by such a young and inexperienced partygirl who was likely just swept in by Whit's wealth and lifestyle. It probably felt very exciting to suddenly catch the attention of one of the local bigwig socialites in town as opposed to the usual bumpkin boys she probably dealt with back in Monk's Corner, and she was a bit of an attention-grabbing girl-on-the-move by then, so why not try to appear on a reality show that was being filmed in town? 

On the flipside, you know Whitney was probably very flattered by her attention and enjoyed having her on his arm. And her living so far away from town, he probably just casually invited her to stay there for a few nights, as opposed to forcing her to make the long and likely drunk drive back home---most gentlemen will go for that in that situation. He probably felt like he was grooming her into a muse of sorts, and thought she'd make for stylishly exciting TV before she suddenly ditched him for Thomas and proceeded to reveal herself as the gauche shrieking nutcase she came off as after she hooked up with him. It sounds like he just offered to let her hang out at his place for an extended weekend, strictly just to randomly bang and party-hop together. In that case, I don't doubt that Patricia only bumped into her in their kitchen one morning over coffee. Or that Whitney tossed out her bag of junk from the weekend the morning after the infamous pool party debacle.

I think it just irks him that what he considered just an extended fling is being thrown out there as something deeper---his pride/ego seems hurt more than anything else, not any deep feelings for Kathryn. Honestly, how many guys would admit to being ditched by a hot chick for their buddy? Not too many...I think he just hates that it's being broadcast to the world that he got totally played by some crazy Southern strumpet!

[psychoticstate]

14 hours ago, Chicklet said:

I think Whitney overreacted and Shep was right. People who are telling the truth don't get all wound up like that. I don't remember much else. I think I fell asleep.

I fell asleep too but this is what I got from what I saw:

Craig really doesn't know when to let anything go.  Why does he care?  Whitney hates Kathryn for whatever reason and Cameron is on the Whitney/Patricia train so just shut up about it.

That said, seeing Whitney flustered, flummoxed and speechless was more fun than a barrel of Sheps.  

I understand that Dani had to leave for Texas but isn't it extremely rude for Cam and Whitney to leave without telling their host?   Patricia and her caftan need to weigh in on this.

Oh Whitney . . . you can drop as many "Babe"s as you want and wax poetic about Larissa and I still will NEVER buy that she is anything other than your employee.  

Whitney's LA house is exactly as I would have pictured - - what your grungy and pissy vampire would aspire to.

Landon very obviously wants to move into Shep's mountain house.  And his Charleston house.

The flashback scene where Craig confronted Kathryn about sleeping with 3 people at the table (ewwww) made me grateful that Kathryn flunked out of clown makeup college.  

I'm with @bosawks that T Rav's white jeans are pretty spectacular.  Does he wear them so the coke doesn't show?  And do they also speak French?

Shep continues to be my favorite person on the show since Cameron decided to become the HBIC.   

[Giselle]

Boy, you can sure tell the loft scene was a set up for Patricia. "Call it mother's intuition" my ass, Whetny boo-hooed to mommy earlier about Craig and the loft scene was a setup for her to boost her son's fragile ego on camera and take a swipe for her cub.

I think the producers would love to drop Whetny but keep Patricia. 

[bosawks]

I think the scope of Pat's intuition begins and ends with martini...

[Mountainair]

My last two deliveries were induced due to high blood pressure. The first one was scheduled one week before my due date and my second one was scheduled three weeks before my due date. If they can the Drs. Like to wait until the baby is considered term (36 weeks) before inducing, as long as mother and baby are doing ok which they monitor with weekly NST's (Non Stress Tests). If Kathryn's Blood pressure was that high she would be hospitalized until delivery. Obviously she was placed on modified bed rest (same as me) and likely sent in for NSTs once a week. Since she obviously is not following her modified bed rest orders her NST's are probably elevated hence the need to move her induction date up. Still, I don't put it past her to be doing this on purpose in order to keep Thomas under her dictatorship. If she'd actually sit the fuck down and chill the hell out the situation with the almighty heir may not be as dire.

[ScoobieDoobs]

4 hours ago, Kiki620 said:

I think they've crossed into reality territory where all of this is completely scripted and they are all 100% in on the joke.  Whitney included.  And I guess I'm in the minority because I would watch The Whitney Show all day. The guy is so over-the-top, 

Hey, I'm with you.  I'm kinda riveted by his Count Chocula routine.  And let's have more of his shtick with the fake girlfriend.  Gives me a giggle.  Uh, so they have to say they're coming outta his bedroom 2 hours later -- um, after doing what?  Going to sleep in Whitney's coffin?

Idk, maybe Whitney started out on this thing, thinking he could get by -- merely making snippy comments & not getting too involved.  Uh, that ain't how it works on Bravo.

Take a good look at Whit's mug when Craig is flinging those accusations at him.  He had a WTF, I am so busted look -- if there ever was one.  And yet, there's Cam, clutching so hard on her pearls & saying "Oh-me-oh-my, how could Craig make those horrible, horrible accusations against poor widdle Whitney?" Get out the vapors for Cams cuz it looked like the poor thing was gonna pass out.  Sheesh, pouring it on just a wee bit thick, hun?  Please, Cams.

Oh, and there's Horseteeth, bragging how he NEVER gets hangovers (and presumably how he thinks it's so awesome ro sleep till 6 o'clock every day), but he hates shit-stirrers.  Really, Horseteeth?  Er, maybe you (like ass-licking Cams) wanna smootch up to Whitney cuz he's a producer of the show?  Ya think?  Nah, ole Horseteeth is just soooooo goofy & charming & wonderful, sleeping till 6 o'clock every day.  And according to him (while chuckling his ass off), if he does deign to give to charity, he wants his name lit up in the sky.  Hilarious, Horseteeth, real hilarious.

Anyhoo, by the end of this one, Craig has said he'll back off Whit.  So Count Chocula is off the hook -- for now.  Is it because he's a producer & he used whatever influence he has to squash this storyline?  Maybe.  I'm hoping ole Whit will be outted for something -- oh, I'm sure there's plenty of juicy stuff to choose from cuz he's clearly got shit-tons of secrets he's hiding.

Edited May 24, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[hoosier80]

12 minutes ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

I'm kinda riveted by his Count Chocula routine.  And let's have more of his shtick with the fake girlfriend.  Gives me a giggle.  Uh, so they have to say they're coming outta his bedroom 2 hours later -- um, after doing what?  Going to sleep in Whitney's coffin?

OMG I am dying laughing!  I had Bravo on and caught the repeat.  The kissing scene in the driveway, it looked like Whit thought Larissa was giving him cooties.  Larissa somehow looked a little less nauseous.  

If you're away from the love of your life, or even your current BF/GF for TWO months, it'd be more than just the ewwww kissing scene in the driveway.  That scene confirmed it to me that this is a totally fake relationship (like I didn't really know that beforehand).  

Whitney is not natural at all on camera.  It's like seeing a bad regional actor playing Count Chocula.  Oh. Babe. I. Have. Missed. You.

Why is Craig spending all this time stirring up the shit with Whitney and paying attention to Kathryn?  It's his job.  The producers have told him that is what his job is for at least these scenes.  This show is paying his bills now.   I doubt he's really in a relationship with Naomi or give a rat's ass about any of them (and vice versa).

[FlyingEgret]

13 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

What exactly does Whitney do in L.A.? He doesn't seem to have any active projects. Why wouldn't he go to Georgia? There is a very active film and television scene there. And there is probably a lot less competition for dollars and crew in Georgia.

He washes windows obviously or - more precisely - the lower half of windows 

[Major Bigtime]

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Except, really, are we absolutely sure Craig was chewing tobacco? How would a girl like Naomie even put up with that?

I'm 100% sure he had some tobacco in his mouth. It stinks to high heaven, you can smell it from several feet away. Especially if he's using something like Skoal, which really stinks and you can't get the smell off you. Lots and lots of mouthwash before going to bed, is all I can say.

[Giselle]

Watching Wetney cultivate his beard was tedious, he must have a "What Next to do With a "Girlfriend"" check list on his phone.  You can see him thinking "What Would Thomas Do".

[ElDosEquis]

1 hour ago, Mountainair said:

My last two deliveries were induced due to high blood pressure. The first one was scheduled one week before my due date and my second one was scheduled three weeks before my due date. If they can the Drs. Like to wait until the baby is considered term (36 weeks) before inducing, as long as mother and baby are doing ok which they monitor with weekly NST's (Non Stress Tests). If Kathryn's Blood pressure was that high she would be hospitalized until delivery. Obviously she was placed on modified bed rest (same as me) and likely sent in for NSTs once a week. Since she obviously is not following her modified bed rest orders her NST's are probably elevated hence the need to move her induction date up. Still, I don't put it past her to be doing this on purpose in order to keep Thomas under her dictatorship. If she'd actually sit the fuck down and chill the hell out the situation with the almighty heir may not be as dire.

That is why I don't like babies, It's ALL about THEM because they have no concept of time.

[b2H]

3 hours ago, gunderda said:

I want to know what the cast thought after watching these episodes where it shows that Whitney really did like Kathryn and she stayed there!

The reunion shall be interesting.  I bet he talks Andy out of showing it.

[Duke2801]

1 hour ago, hoosier80 said:

OMG I am dying laughing!  I had Bravo on and caught the repeat.  The kissing scene in the driveway, it looked like Whit thought Larissa was giving him cooties.  Larissa somehow looked a little less nauseous.  

If you're away from the love of your life, or even your current BF/GF for TWO months, it'd be more than just the ewwww kissing scene in the driveway.  That scene confirmed it to me that this is a totally fake relationship (like I didn't really know that beforehand).  

Whitney is not natural at all on camera.  It's like seeing a bad regional actor playing Count Chocula.  Oh. Babe. I. Have. Missed. You.

Why is Craig spending all this time stirring up the shit with Whitney and paying attention to Kathryn?  It's his job.  The producers have told him that is what his job is for at least these scenes.  This show is paying his bills now.   I doubt he's really in a relationship with Naomi or give a rat's ass about any of them (and vice versa).

I agree with you that the "stirring up shit" is part of his job.  If he's not been outright told to do it, I'm certain that it has been highly "suggested" that he do so. 

But I do know that his relationship with Naomi is real.

52 minutes ago, Major Bigtime said:

I'm 100% sure he had some tobacco in his mouth. It stinks to high heaven, you can smell it from several feet away. Especially if he's using something like Skoal, which really stinks and you can't get the smell off you. Lots and lots of mouthwash before going to bed, is all I can say.

Oh yeah it was definitely chew in Craig's lip. Some of my friends' husbands dip and I know that tell-tale mouth wad. It's so freaking nasty. 

[esco1822]

2 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

If Kathryn is on bedrest why aren't the nanny and Kinsey staying with Thomas and the nanny taking Kinsey over to her home for visits?  That would be the only reason I can see Thomas giving up a work trip weekend.  I always get the impression Kathryn tries way too hard to control those around her and does not do a good job of it.  If Thomas were in the NFL would he have to cancel an away game 11 days before the induced labor? 

Kudos to Craig for visiting Kathryn and telling her how things stood.  Craig may not have had the best delivery but I find it reasonable that someone would harbor negative feelings against someone he dated who ditched him for a good friend. I mean, why not just say add it to the list of reasons he dislikes Kathryn. The two kids out of wedlock comment, she didn't have two kids when she was having her sleepovers with Whitney.

The show needs Kathryn more than it needs Whitney.  I did not believe his relationship with Larrissa.  They looked like two people passing time together on a movie set. 

Yeah but Thomas isn't in the NFL.  He just sits around all day putting on his one pair of white pants and awkwardly hitting on teenagers. If it wasn't trick editing and he really did know that the inducement was moved up, he really should have cancelled for the exact reasoning expressed by Dawn--the sanest person on this show.