S03.E06: Beast Of Bourbon

[HunterHunted]

Landon really seems to think that her travel art website is going to be the next Goop, Draper James, the Honest Company, or Preserve. Well, it might be the next Preserve which means that it will be clueless, terrible, and quickly shuttered.

The thing is that we can barely put up the above websites and they have Gwyneth Paltrow, Reese Witherspoon, Jessica Alba, and Blake Lively associated with them. Secondly, Reese's and Jessica's sites also understand their audiences. Reese's audience is basically every woman on Southern Charm who isn't Patricia or Kathryn. She sells cute clothes and home decor that appeal to middle and upper class southern women in their 20s and 30s. Jessica's audience is health wellness conscious women in their 20s - 40s. These are women who soul cycle and do juice cleanses, but aren't going to juice their own fruit. And the Goopster's audience is everyone who think she's ridiculous. You might have somewhat similar tastes as Goop, but her recommendations are moronically expensive and privileged. Today she recommended a 24 karat gold dildo that costs $15,000.

But Landon, is barely famous and hasn't really demonstrated such fantastic taste that I'd want to pay attention to her recommendations about anything, be it travel, art, clothing, party planning, or bourbon.

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, Missmissie173 said:

YES! I am so glad someone else thinks "Hey, Dick Dastardly and Wacky Racers!" while watching these scions of Dixie  - Whitney as Muttley the Dog snickering - and of course Landon as Penelope Pitstop, the brave but fragile fair maiden in distress...running in her high heel boots and open pink Parasol  ;)

https://youtu.be/FdghRwWfaOQ

ROFL - just Priceless and probably so true.

THIS......all day!  Perfect description!   :-)

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, pasdetrois said:

According to LinkedIn, Danni has worked for the Ben Arnold Beverage Company for about 10 years. She's held a bunch of different positions there, most as product managers.

Somehow Craig really believed he was in the running to be the bourbon division manager. He was utterly embarrassed when JD confronted him and told him otherwise. I suspect shenanigans - I believe JD and production led him to believe this off-camera just so they could knock him down on-camera. I think that's why he was so upset. Although I think he and Naomie are incredibly naive, I hate that they were publicly humiliated.

JD sure seemed to relish admonishing Craig publicly. I agree JD is slimy. I think he hitched his wagon to Thomas, and he and Elizabeth are using the show to advance their "brand." JD sucks up to Thomas with a frat boy bonhomie, exuding cockiness, while to me he's utterly craven. I don't buy Elizabeth's sainted demeanor toward Kathryn either - she's playing a role.

According to LinkedIn, JD has been in real estate for 10 years. Before that he was in medical sales, and he went to college in Colorado.

JD also owns Sermet's Downtown in Charleston, which is a very successful upscale restaurant.  

He's successful in his own right - I don't think he needs Thomas at this point, but maybe, prior to Thomas getting mixed up with drugs and jail, the Ravenal endorsement of the restaurant was an bonus for JD, when trying to establish Sermet's in a town chock full of great restaurants.

[PreposterousISTA]

A Couple Of Tweets From Craig...
 

 

 

[bichonblitz]

17 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Mid $700.000 for that house.  Is it in a terrible neighborhood or we didn't get to see the problems?

The problem could be that Cameran is not a very good realtor and didn't really do her homework and research the comps when it came to pricing that house. 

[Major Bigtime]

Either  Craig signed a contract he didn't read, or this is all made up for the show. I'm going with the latter.

 

Landon....honey.....spellcheck is your friend.

Those tweets confirmed what I posted above, this was nothing more than a PR stunt for the business. Just like how Shep got me to have an awful hot dog at his restaurant one time.

[thefog]

2 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

Somehow Craig really believed he was in the running to be the bourbon division manager. He was utterly embarrassed when JD confronted him and told him otherwise. I suspect shenanigans - I believe JD and production led him to believe this off-camera just so they could knock him down on-camera. I think that's why he was so upset. Although I think he and Naomie are incredibly naive, I hate that they were publicly humiliated.

 

If that was indeed the set-up, why didn't Craig challenge JD? 

This really had more to do with Craig's oversized ego.  He probably thought because he went to law school and invested $15k into JD's company, it entitled him to running the bourbon line.  When the reality he has zero experience (or knowledge of the product) and was fired from his last job for not showing up for work.  And truth be told, $15k is really chump change, considering JD's portfolios.

[DrSparkles]

Welp, I'm the queso standing solo, but I thought Kathryn's apology was sincere & more real & adult than any other I've ever seen on tv.

co-sign to everyone 's comments on the two special snowflakes.

[TheFinalRose]

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And truth be told, $15k is really chump change, considering JD's portfolios.

Exactly. JD's got to have hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in the Bourbon start-up (maybe more) and most likely other investors besides Craig!!! $15,000 will get Craig the payout he deserves in about five years or so if the bourbon starts turning a profit. Which it has more of a chance of doing with Craig NOT running it. However, I did enjoy Naomi's reaction. First time I've seen her act like more than a French robot.  

[snarts]

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Welp, I'm the queso standing solo, but I thought Kathryn's apology was sincere & more real & adult than any other I've ever seen on tv.

No, not solo.  I also found her quite genuine in that moment and I think Elizabeth was a little taken aback as well.  Yes, Kathryn's motives may be in question but she delivered a heartfelt apology while taking all the blame.  In addition, her talking head only reinforced the fact that she knew it was her fault.  Well done.

I understand Cameran not wanting to get involved in the drama but really, meeting her for coffee would be the nice thing to do.  I'm disappointed that she couldn't take the high road.

[Giselle]

6 hours ago, Missmissie173 said:

YES! I am so glad someone else thinks "Hey, Dick Dastardly and Wacky Racers!" while watching these scions of Dixie  - Whitney as Muttley the Dog snickering - and of course Landon as Penelope Pitstop, the brave but fragile fair maiden in distress...running in her high heel boots and open pink Parasol  ;)

https://youtu.be/FdghRwWfaOQ

ROFL - just Priceless and probably so true.

But who would be the Half Pint Gang?

[bravofan27]

I think Shep has a huge crush on Cameron. He said in an interview that he thinks she is gorgeous. I think Shep loves Cameron because she gives him a lot of personal attention and it's super low commitment because she is married. He's obviously attracted to her. 

Elizabeth is super sweet and forgiving to be so welcoming to Kathryn after she ran away from her, taking Kensie, at the polo match, for no known reason. She is very mature and obviously stable. She is trying to be there for Kathryn and not holding grudges which is very mature. It was smart for Kathryn to reach out to her.

Cameron was interested in Kathryn when Kathryn was with Thomas and could potentially buy a house. Without Thomas, there will be no house purchase, and therefore, Cameron is not interested. 

Edited May 11, 2016 by bravofan27

[izabella]

10 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

I think Shep has a huge crush on Cameron. He said in an interview that he thinks she is gorgeous. I think Shep loves Cameron because she gives him a lot of personal attention and it's super low commitment because she is married. He's obviously attracted to her. 

I think he's often most attracted to the women he can't have...he's free to pine after them knowing he'll never have to put up or shut up because it will never get to anything like a commitment.  People with fear of commitment and fear of intimacy tend to fall only for people who are out of reach in some way.  If Camaran were to divorce and then turn her eyes to Shep, he'd suddenly lose interest.

Either that, or he's into, as Craig said, the conquest, the chase.  After the conquest, it's onto the next.

[Petunia13]

@HunterHunted you weren't joking. Gwenyth Paltrow's blog goop today recommends a $15,000 gold plated dildo. 

Shes always suggesting outlandish expensive items like salt that's hundreds of dollars and shit. 

[bravofan27]

Shep is the typical guy with a lot of money tied up in investments. He doesn't want to get married, because it will mess up everything if they get divorced, or else he needs a prenup. He is looking for a women with more money than he has so he doesn't have to worry about having to use his own money.

[scrb]

The pitch thing was fake.  Landon has no background in publishing or new media.  Bravo arranged that meet because it's highly doubtful a media company takes pitch meetings from someone with no resume in the field.

So was the bourbon tasting.  If Craig really cared, he'd have at least searched a couple of websites so he wouldn't be asking questions like "what is the difference between bourbon and whiskey" on camera.  Producers had him constantly saying "our" bourbon because he can't be that dense, though his and Naomi's facial expressions looked convincing.

[tenativelyyours]

In Landon and Craig I think we are seeing the poster children for "pretty gets by".  Granted I think that applies to most of this cast.  None are what I would call stunning.  But almost are attractive, or were in some way (I think Ravenal's money went a long way to making the love child of Curious George and the Man in the Yellow Hat look appealing).  Enough in smaller circles to always 'get by'.  Throw in any athletic prowess and you have a rather golden youth in today's society and have for some time. 

 

I think neither Craig or Landon have ever truly had to carry their own weight like most people.  Just enough looks combined with the right circumstances and I think they have always had others lend them the edge.  And both are immature and self-involved enough to refuse to realize this and instead think everything they have is due to their own talents and skills.  Never really looking to see what they actually do have (when the show goes, what do either of these two do to pay the bills?)

 

Sadly before I jump down from my soap box, I have to say that I don't think they are rare.  Or scarily, the minority.  We live after all in a society that still tells us we can be whatever we want at the same time we strive to find others to blame for own faults.  A society of Least Responsibility coupled with Overwhelming Expectations.   Has reality caught up with 'Reality' or vice versa. 

I do get a kick over the increasingly thin veneer of poseur in regards to Patricia as the season goes.  No wonder she was considered a golden girl in Washington.  (Gold-digging as a second career as opposed to the first one.  Sort of a Pamela Digby Churchill Harriman extra lite).

[TheFinalRose]

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In Landon and Craig I think we are seeing the poster children for "pretty gets by".  Granted I think that applies to most of this cast.  None are what I would call stunning.  But almost are attractive, or were in some way

Yeah, I agree. I have never "gotten" Craig's looks at all, and Landon is so indistinctive to me.  Cameran is the prettiest, and I can see how Kathryn is considered attractive when she's done up. I know so many prettier people in real life.  

[breezy424]

I don't think Landon and Craig are in the same category.  Landon gets by.  Craig went to law school.  Did he screw up with the bar?  Yes.  But that's not just getting by IMO.  Oh, and Landon is in her thirties.  Craig is in his mid twenties.  That's also significant.

Craig did buy into JD's business.  A very small part of JD's business.  And yeah, he does have the money because he makes a salary from doing Southern Charm.  Craig's problem is that, as a twenty something, he's hungry but doesn't get that you have to prove yourself.  Yeah, it seems he's doing well with the hotel part of JD's business but that doesn't mean he's qualified to do the Bourbon part.  Like, most twenty somethings he's got a lot to learn.

On the other hand, Landon, who is in her thirties, just doesn't get it and she should know better at this point.  She's kind of pathetic.  Just like Thomas is when it comes to his relationship with Kathryn.  He's in his fifties and should know better.  Actually, they kind of make a perfect, pathetic couple who deserve one another.

[bravofan27]

I think Kathryn is beautiful, but I think she has some serious drug and/or mental problems. I think they are all very good looking.

[bblancobrnx]

^^^^really? You think Whitney is good looking? I am recommending an eye exam ASAP

[ExplainItAgain]

That house was gorgeous. I agree that I would have liked to see the bathrooms and the kitchen though. Here in NC a lot of porch ceilings are painted blue, but we were always told it's because it keeps the spiders away (but I think that's a myth!).

Naomie's reaction was really strange. Maybe she's starting to realize that Craig is a talker (the bar, the bourbon business) and not a doer.

Was it Shep's parents who also had the hunting lodge they went to? I wonder where else they have houses...

[Bossa Nova]

I suspect that JD took the naiive Craig on board to get the show's exposure for his businesses. JD is only a "bit" player on the show, not a featured star/castmember as Craig is. So by taking Craig on, he is insured to get more camera time for himself and his businesses. JD is no fool, he has some savvy smarts, I guess, but I don't find him likable. I think he is good ole boy southern cocky. A stereotype, and almost a cliche' that turns me off. He just needs a light colored linen suit and a cigar.Oh wait, he is wearing a bow tie and light sports jacket in some of his talking heads. His wife, Elizabeth, however, does seem sweet. She must be his alter ego.   

Landon, Landon. Tsk, tsk. While that "pitch" meeting in New York might have been producer driven, the stuff that came out of her mouth was her own. She is an idiot and a dilettante:

dil·et·tante:

a person who cultivates an area of interest, such as the arts, without real commitment or knowledge.

"a dilettante approach to science"

synonyms:dabbler, amateur, nonprofessional, nonspecialist, layman, layperson

"there is no room for the dilettante in this business"

archaic

a person with an amateur interest in the arts.

[imjagain]

On 5/11/2016 at 8:44 PM, bravofan27 said:

I think Shep has a huge crush on Cameron. He said in an interview that he thinks she is gorgeous. I think Shep loves Cameron because she gives him a lot of personal attention and it's super low commitment because she is married. He's obviously attracted to her. 

Elizabeth is super sweet and forgiving to be so welcoming to Kathryn after she ran away from her, taking Kensie, at the polo match, for no known reason. She is very mature and obviously stable. She is trying to be there for Kathryn and not holding grudges which is very mature. It was smart for Kathryn to reach out to her.

Cameron was interested in Kathryn when Kathryn was with Thomas and could potentially buy a house. Without Thomas, there will be no house purchase, and therefore, Cameron is not interested.  

I don't think that is Cameron's motivation. She was friendly to Kathryn in the first season because she had no reason not to be.  Cam has seen with her own eyes behavior she doesn't like. 

Edited May 12, 2016 by imjagain

[seasquared]

Craig's comment about taking the bar exam when he was "not" arguing with Naomi at the end of the tasting speaks volumes as to how poorly he will do if/when he ever takes it. I believe he said something like: "..and i've got the bar which whatever, I will study for.." The kind of people who fail the bar are the ones who don't give it the respect and attention it requires. 

[Babyfoot]

Well, now I'm the queso that stands alone because I didn't find Kathryn's apology remotely sincere, especially since she affected a baby voice when doing so. 

[ProudMary]

The mystery of why that stunning 6,000 sq. ft. home was being listed at such a low price has been solved.

http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/HolyCinema/archives/2016/05/11/southern-charm-s3-e6-elevator-pitches-and-bourbon-soaked-dreams

Shep and Cameran pretend they are looking at a mansion in Charleston, but we know that's not the case. A 6,000 square foot, 5 bedroom, 4.5 bath pristine historic home would not be listed for mid-700s anywhere in Charleston or even Mt. Pleasant. A quick search proves my hunch right. This house is in Walterboro, about an hour away from town. Regardless, the place is gorge, and Shep is ready to close the listing and get back to his breakfast

[izabella]

They sure did make it seem like the house was in Charleston.  Cameran is at the house, calls Shep who is making breakfast.  He jumps in his car and is somehow there in 5 minutes?  Or did he keep Cameran waiting for an hour?   So staged!

[woodscommaelle]

JD to Craig:  Your job is to make my job/life easier.  That gave me chills bc, as true as it is, the statement was just too douche-baggy-ish for me. 

Elizabeth is so classy and elegant.  I can picture her as a member of the Royal Family.  She's just got something to her.  I love it. 

I appreciated Shep's use of the word 'hubris' to describe Craig.  Spot on.

Party of 'not too many' but I loved Naomi's ring.  I'd wear that in a heartbeat.

When JD said Danni would be in charge of running the wine tasting at the table, Craig chimed in 'me too?'  It was so little boy-ish and I found it endearing.  I think he's just trying to find his way?  I don't know.

[DeepRed]

14 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

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Cameron was interested in Kathryn when Kathryn was with Thomas and could potentially buy a house. Without Thomas, there will be no house purchase, and therefore, Cameron is not interested.

You might have something there, but I'll say that my personal flight reflex kicks in immediately when I'm around scary drunks or people who are out of control.  With me it stems from childhood stuff, but it's very real and if I knew Kathryn I'd avoid her too.  I simply couldn't cope with that in my life.

When Thomas was talking to Shep, he made it VERY CLEAR that no one ought to upset Kathryn because it could harm the baby.  Which means that everyone should damn well do whatever Kathryn wants, like making sure she gets invited to all the group's activities or she'll have a meltdown.  It's melodrama, as Shep pointed out, but wow, that's a whole other level of control.

1 hour ago, ExplainItAgain said:

That house was gorgeous. I agree that I would have liked to see the bathrooms and the kitchen though. Here in NC a lot of porch ceilings are painted blue, but we were always told it's because it keeps the spiders away (but I think that's a myth!).

Someone upthread posted a link to the listing for that house.  It has photos of the kitchen and baths, and they're gorgeous.

[glowlights]

4 minutes ago, DeepRed said:

When Thomas was talking to Shep, he made it VERY CLEAR that no one ought to upset Kathryn because it could harm the baby.  Which means that everyone should damn well do whatever Kathryn wants, like making sure she gets invited to all the group's activities or she'll have a meltdown.  It's melodrama, as Shep pointed out, but wow, that's a whole other level of control.

My jaw dropped during that scene, even though Thomas was probably just following the storyline du jour - everyone is responsible to do Kathryn's bidding and put up with her social terrorism or else they're responsible for doing harm to her fetus? Lord. I'm making a BPD list, and checking it twice...

I was very excited about getting a house like that in Charleston for mid 700s. The gorgeous woodwork! Now it's an hour out of town and my dreams are dashed. But I would love more scenes with Shep and Cameran touring lovely homes. Hell, let's see Danni sell some bourbon. Anything to break up the Thomas/Kathryn monotony.

I'm counting on Roam to be a bad, amateur version of GOOP and will devour every issue with glee.  Haven't anticipated a craptastic website like this since Marcus Lemonis's superfan started her online magazine. Roam if you want to / Roam around the world/ Roam if you want to / Without anything but the love we feeeeeeeeel

[DeepRed]

^^ Exactly.  If Kathryn "weeps for 10 minutes" for not being invited to Patricia's party, or her blood pressure spikes over that polo event, then maybe she should drop this group and spend her time making new friends in her new neighborhood.  Ehh, but's it all 4th-wall stuff: she needs screen time with this bunch to keep her Bravo paycheck.

 

BTW a B-52s reference from Master Shake is always welcome!

[DFWGina]

13 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Craig did buy into JD's business.  A very small part of JD's business.  And yeah, he does have the money because he makes a salary from doing Southern Charm.  Craig's problem is that, as a twenty something, he's hungry but doesn't get that you have to prove yourself.  Yeah, it seems he's doing well with the hotel part of JD's business but that doesn't mean he's qualified to do the Bourbon part.  Like, most twenty somethings he's got a lot to learn.

On the other hand, Landon, who is in her thirties, just doesn't get it and she should know better at this point.  She's kind of pathetic.  Just like Thomas is when it comes to his relationship with Kathryn.  He's in his fifties and should know better.  Actually, they kind of make a perfect, pathetic couple who deserve one another.

Craig is perpetuating the millennial stereotype of wanting to immediately be in some sort of position of power without putting any work into the position he has today.  Sadly, this is what a lot of millennials are like in the workplace today (Please note that I said a lot - not all...)

3 hours ago, ExplainItAgain said:

Naomie's reaction was really strange. Maybe she's starting to realize that Craig is a talker (the bar, the bourbon business) and not a doer.

This.  I think she had a lightbulb moment that Craig isn't all he says he is.  

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

Southern Charm Wonders Whose Dead Body Can Most Easily Be Stuffed Into A Bourbon Barrel

Craig would like to find out, except most of us would like that body to be his.

[Petunia13]

"If you're good at something. Never do it for free."

 "No one's going to give you power - you have to take it."

Craig should learn these quotations. I think they will give him insight into his personality and actions and why they have the impact they do. 

[Petunia13]

"If you're good at something. Never do it for free."

 "No one's going to give you power - you have to take it."

Craig should learn these quotations. I think they will give him insight into his personality and actions and why they have the impact they do. 

[HouseofBeck]

On 5/10/2016 at 1:37 PM, citychic said:

I think you nailed it with Naomi. You truly don't know a person for at least three to five years even living with them and I'm pretty sure Craig snowed her and her family with his trophies and paper accomplishments plus a law school run and big talk about the bar just like he did to all of us a year or two ago. Now the real Craig is starting to surface because all talk and no action doesn't get you very far. Naomi thinks she's marrying a lawyer to be and big businessman on the side, truth is Craig is just to meek and doesn't have big enough balls to play with the big boys. She'll be out of there very soon.

Cameron may be over the show, but I'm kind of over her too. The scene where she's doing yoga and fell over was it for me, so fake! Not cute anymore, I want to see her brains for a minute.

And possibly there was a lot more "I'm going to be Mr. Bourbon!" talk in the Craig and Naomi household than the glimpse we saw onscreen. I read her upset reaction at the tasting as genuinely thinking Craig just had a bait'n'switch pulled on him, so she was upset on his behalf, not her own. So far she strikes me as someone who sees potential in Craig and thus so far believes the things he says.

Or he's just a good lay. *snickering*

6 hours ago, glowlights said:

My jaw dropped during that scene, even though Thomas was probably just following the storyline du jour - everyone is responsible to do Kathryn's bidding and put up with her social terrorism or else they're responsible for doing harm to her fetus? Lord. I'm making a BPD list, and checking it twice...

I was very excited about getting a house like that in Charleston for mid 700s. The gorgeous woodwork! Now it's an hour out of town and my dreams are dashed. But I would love more scenes with Shep and Cameran touring lovely homes. Hell, let's see Danni sell some bourbon. Anything to break up the Thomas/Kathryn monotony.

I'm counting on Roam to be a bad, amateur version of GOOP and will devour every issue with glee.  Haven't anticipated a craptastic website like this since Marcus Lemonis's superfan started her online magazine. Roam if you want to / Roam around the world/ Roam if you want to / Without anything but the love we feeeeeeeeel

I was shouting at Thomas during that scene that he is the major cause of Kathyn's unhappiness, so that's one hell of a nerve, dumping all that responsibility on everyone else. I notice he didn't try that with Patricia, but with I Want To Do The Right Thing Shep who has always seemed more easy way out to me, however smart he is in real life.

And Shep? You say you want everyone to be happy, but your secret love Cam would be decidedly unhappy if forced to spend time with Kathryn, so how does that fit? Bah.

[snarts]

Was it a Patricia free episode?  I don't remember seeing her...

[DeepRed]

Yeah, no Patricia.

[janie2002]

One thing I did appreciate was even though Shep made jokes over Craig, once he saw he was genuinely upset, Shep took him to the side and gave him props and gave him good advise that he needs to prove himself and work his way up, without speaking down to him. I think maybe JD or production messed with Craig but at the end of the day Shep wanted to make his friend feel better. I thought that was nice.

[gunderda]

On 5/11/2016 at 0:16 PM, DFWGina said:

Craig is perpetuating the millennial stereotype of wanting to immediately be in some sort of position of power without putting any work into the position he has today.  Sadly, this is what a lot of millennials are like in the workplace today (Please note that I said a lot - not all...)

This.  I think she had a lightbulb moment that Craig isn't all he says he is.  

no joke.  I work with one.  Great guy... GREAT potential... but just kinda really lazy and honestly I have no idea what he does.  Always has some great ideas but never really follows through... speaks with authority but not warranted.... 

[Giselle]

1 hour ago, janie2002 said:

One thing I did appreciate was even though Shep made jokes over Craig, once he saw he was genuinely upset, Shep took him to the side and gave him props and gave him good advise that he needs to prove himself and work his way up, without speaking down to him. I think maybe JD or production messed with Craig but at the end of the day Shep wanted to make his friend feel better. I thought that was nice.

Plus he scored an  exclusive bottle of bourbon! Sweet!

[nenya]

Janie, I agree with you on Shep. He did a nice thing. That was pretty crappy what they did to Craig. JD should have gave him a heads up. He was especially swarmy this episode. I think Craig needs a place with a good mentor and a structure for advancement, and that is where he will thrive. 

Landon, on the other hand. Oh goodness. Seriously, she didn't even know what her differentiating factor would be? Or she was so unimpressive, he had to explain to her what an elevator pitch is? Did she at least lead with Vox not having a publication about travel. And what does travel even mean? It can incorporate so much! It just seemed to be such a waste.

I can understand her not liking Kathryn, but her vitriol makes me think she might have slept with Thomas. It is a bit mama bear. I think she always thinks of herself as a guy's girl, and gets really jealous when the guys pick someone over her. I don't know if she necessarily has feelings for Shep, but she was definitely a little cold to his date. And it wasn't just editing, you can see her expression in the background of some of their interactions. 

[izabella]

Didn't Kathryn double-flip her off last season, and that's why Landon has no time for her?  Well, that and wanting a rich husband, any rich husband, even Thomas.

[RHJunkie]

I really liked the conversation between Kathryn and Elizabeth. It seemed genuine and organic rather than manufactured for tv. I really like what I've seen of Elizabeth so far. Kathryn and Elizabeth may have started as friends of convenience but accepting the role as godmother to Kathryn's child seems like a bond that Elizabeth highly values and takes seriously and for that, she was willing to listen, understand and give Kathryn some peace of mind knowing that not everyone in the world is against her. I can understand Kathryn's insecurities of feeling left out when she made so much of her life about her man and his friends. It was mature of her to accept the blame for the issues in their relationship and hopefully they move forward with a stronger friendship because of this. 

I feel as if I get dumber by the second just listening to Landon talk. Honestly, her voice is really irritating to me and is only made worse by the fact that she never seems to have anything intelligent or substantial to say. Watching her pitch in NYC annoyed me because it only convinces me that Landon is a spoiled woman who has been so used to receiving helping hands in life that she thinks that she can waltz into anything and be rewarded. How do you arrange to pitch an concept without actually having a real concept? She said she wanted to focus on travel because it's the one area that the company doesn't focus on yet she made her pitch a concept that included literally everything. She had no idea for her vision, template, etc. ZERO work put into it. Landon wants to find a way to make a career out of her artistic interests which is understandable, but the opportunities don't come out of thin air. You have to do your research if you want people to invest in you. She's going to trust that her passion will find her success?? Passion means little without the hard work to support it. She seems to think she lives in a world made of magic pixie dust where your dreams become a reality by simply wishing really really hard for them. 

Craig was like the male version of Landon in this episode, lol.  Yeah he can blame JD for not being transparent but all of the things that JD could have given him are all the things that he could have looked into and inquired about himself. He expressed so much interest in running the bourbon division and didn't think it would be important or impressive to show the initiative to learn about the industry and the product? Unless someone is foolish enough to hand over their money to Craig for him to prove how 'smart' he is, Craig is going to have a hard to finding success in life. He clearly seems to think he deserves a lot more than what he's worked to earn it. Also, for someone who wants to be a lawyer, he uses filler words such as 'like' far too often. 

Cameron seems to be the only one with any understanding of hard work. She doesn't do her job because she has to work to help pay the bills. She's made a career out of something she finds interesting and her success comes from the fact that she's willing to commit and work hard. 

Edited May 13, 2016 by RHJunkie

[Giselle]

 Katheryn is as ugly as sin even when she has  her hair done up and slapped on a ton of makeup on to disguise her bulbous forehead and beige, meaning plain, features. The only photographs where she looks half decent are a few done professionally or they catch her at the odd moment. Nope not pretty at all. YMMV

If she were a baby I' tell her parents "She looks remarkable."

[scrb]

Still remember Thomas gushing about her physicality in the first season.

And apparently, his reaction to first seeing her helped get her on the show in the first place.

[glowlights]

3 hours ago, Giselle said:

 If she were a baby I' tell her parents "She looks remarkable."

!!!!! I'll have to remember this. lol "He/she's precious" gets old after a while....

[bblancobrnx]

4 hours ago, Giselle said:

 Katheryn is as ugly as sin even when she has  her hair done up and slapped on a ton of makeup on to disguise her bulbous forehead and beige, meaning plain, features. The only photographs where she looks half decent are a few done professionally or they catch her at the odd moment. Nope not pretty at all. YMMV

If she were a baby I' tell her parents "She looks remarkable."

As a straight male, I will just say this: I respectfully disagree with you. Is she a perfect 10? No, but she is very striking. I have seen plenty of occasions on the show where she has looked quite beautiful. However, her brand of crazy knocks her down plenty of notches in my book.

[RedHawk]

Shep keeps advising everyone to "take the high road" and asserting that "it's so easy!" Yeah, he really took the high road when Kelsea Ballerini won the auction with $5001.00 for a date with Craig. Shep was the very definition of sore loser!

I enjoy watching Craig and Naomi interact. I'd watch them packing dishes and chatting for a full hour. Comparing that to T-Rav and Kathryn and the endless baby-mama drama, I'm over it and would love for the show to continue without them so we can focus on other people and stop hearing Thomas instruct others to respect "the mother of [his] children" when he doesn't give her much respect himself. I'd be ok if either Thomas or Kathryn remained, but not both. Kathryn and Cooper are fun together. I'm most tired of T-Rav, so he can go run for dog-catcher or something. 

Edited May 13, 2016 by RedHawk