S08.E02: An Intimates Affair

[Tara Ariano]

Bethenny prepares for her barbecue birthday bash to be held at her Hamptons home. Also: LuAnn and Sonja bond; Dorinda visits Ramona's revamped apartment; and Dorinda throws a lingerie party, which is marked by a confrontation and a shocking revelation.

[BlackMamba]

Wow... this shit couldn't wait for a review. Who heard Carole say, "We have an obesity more than a skinny problem" and not to mention she said something about Jules being too skinny. Ok if this is the season of talking about someone's body skinny or fat, I'm going to be livid. Body shamers have low esteem and are disgusting.

[nexxie]

Yikes, the conversation about John - too much!

[MrsRafaelBarba]

Edie Falco's sister ain't having it.

Can't stand Bethenny.

[autumnh]

I just cannot with Ramona anymore.

So, are they going to try and give Dorinda the alcoholic edit this season? 

 

What about Ramona? Pinot IV....turtle time, hissy fits over not having her wine available? really?

[Straycat80]

Jules, you are on the wrong show if you think these conversations should be in private. You are on a reality show, it's called screen time.

Wow, don't piss off Dorinda! I thought her eyes were going to start glowing and flames shooting out of her mouth.

[Petunia13]

I have zero interest in shopping for bras or undies with platonic friends.

Again shade & an argument over which HW is skinnier.

[BlackMamba]

Edited April 14, 2016 by BlackMamba

[Sun-Bun]

I'm just shocked over how sickeningly skinny both Carole and Jules looked at that party...yikes...if they look that skinny on television, I shudder over how tiny they must look in real life.

No surprise that Carole admitted to still wearing the same size of her 7th grade training bra---must be nice to not worry about hoisting up "the girls", so I'm admittedly a little envious...

Then again, I'd much rather be a bit curvier and enjoy chocolate, beer and cheese than be the same size as a middle school girl, so it's all good.

[Umbelina]

So happy to have the gang back, even if they had to add the obviously ill anorexic one.  These guys just work off each other, they know each other, and most of all, after a dreadful season on BH, these women fight their own battles and say what they think.

 

It's like taking a nice long hot bath, yay, THEY'RE BACK!~

 

Bethenny was made for this job.  I enjoyed the same old Ramona, now with boobs, and Sonja and Luann as roomies could be gold.  Sounds like Dorinda is a flat out alcoholic, but every show needs one.  Her boyfriend though is simply odious, glad Bethenny isn't taking his shit.  Carole adds the calming factor, even if she is still living the Sex and the City years, I enjoyed hearing her acknowledge age is coming.

Edited April 14, 2016 by Umbelina

[ElDosEquis]

Glad that dorinda told beth and ramona where to get off.

 

Who care if she is selling john, don't buy it and move along you fucking jealous bitch.

[Thumper]

Guess I wasn't paying attention -- did Ramona get new boobs?

How do those lingerie ladies determine your bra size just by looking at you???!

Yeah, that party hosted BY Dorinda was the place to approach her about the crap her bf is doing. <eyeroll>

[Umbelina]

God bless Ramona!  She knows to wait for the cameras, and that's why she still has a job, and the boring ones don't.

[islandgal140]

Go head Dorinda

 

 

John doesn't fit into Dorinda's circle of friends. I blind woman can see that. However, Bethenny going on and on about Dorinda selling John to the group (she must of said it half a dozen times this episode) is just too much. I feel like Dorinda is defending him, both preemptively and after the fact because the group talks so much shit about him, whether deserved or not. I mean shit, after Dorinda Monaco Grande Prix dragging these bitches Dorinda walks over to get a drink and Bethenny says John is full shit, a used car salesman and she doesn't like him/it and than she has the nerve to  call  Dorinda 'selling' NO. She is defending him. I just hate people who chip and chip at shit like that. Dorinda is a grown ass woman. Her friends should speak their peace about John no more than twice and either stay and find a way to cope being around them as a couple or go if they can't be around him. Point. blank. period.

 

If B had a problem with him pitching her, she should have told him to his face. I hate this relay shit. She tells his girlfriend and he relays it to her. Frankly, I don't see what the big deal with him wanting to speak to her and deal with her directly. What is wrong with wanting her number and asking B for it directly? Dorinda is John's girlfriend not his business partner. Why does she have to be present to discuss business matters with a business woman?

 

Bethenny give no and zero fucks? Gurl please. She gives all the fucks.

 

I really like the Countess and Sonja as roomies and partners in crime, one night standing their way through NY's upper east side. 

 

There is also a Skinny Bitch. I thought B took 'inspiration' from that. 

 

B is so exasperating. Her calling Luann a user of people is a laugh. 

[breezy424]

Wow, we're getting into 'drama' real quick this season. 

 

I don't like Dorinda but her line about Beth doing everything anyone can do before anyone else cracked me up.

 

John, oh John.  You are sleezy.  And as much as I can't stand Dorinda I don't know what she sees in you.  Is Dorinda 'that' insecure or desperate for a relationship?  As for Beth being pissed off that John tried to 'sell' her behind Dorinda's back, well Beth, I think you would do the same thing.  You're alike in that department.  You are the whore of self promotion and your products.

 

It's hard watching this show because there's no one I'm rooting for.  Carole comes the closest.  I hope to like Jules but she 'is' stupid skinny.  So is Carole and Beth so who are they to judge.

 

And wow, Dorinda with the manly pose on the couch while going off on one of her tirades?

 

Shut up Ro.  No.  Really.  Go away and take Beth with you.

 

Lastly, Lu and Sonja of  Grey Hey Gardens...  Lu is starting to show her age.  Don't get me wrong.  She's gorgeous and has the best body of any of all the housewives.   She was so much more fun as a 'friend' of the housewives.  Glad to see hardly any Sonja.  She's just so depressing.  Maybe it's because she's the mistress of Gray Hey Gardens.

Edited April 14, 2016 by breezy424

[Bronzedog]

I think it's funny that Andy now has a Gray Gardens segment on WWH on Wed. Nights starring Lu and Sonja. Bethenny definitely has a multitude of fucks to give. She is not fuckless or one without fucks.

[BlackMamba]

Glad that dorinda told beth and ramona where to get off.

Who care if she is selling john, don't buy it and move along you fucking jealous bitch.

It's always the single, unhappy broads like Beth and Ramona that have the most to say!

[archer1267]

I feel like Dorinda is defending him, both preemptively and after the fact because the group talks so much shit about him, whether deserved or not

 

 

It was the height of rudeness last season when Lu and Ramona talked about John when he was sitting right there. I don't know what these witches are hoping to accomplish.

[SnarkKitty]

I hate Dorinda. So I'm happy to see her get the drunk wildebeest edit. 

 

Isn't SOMEONE besides Heather going to tell Bethenny off? (I don't count that drunken rant, because before it started she was kissing up to her, and even after she went after Ramona while telling Bethenny "I guess I'll stay at your house.")

 

The kind of good thing about watching with no favorites is you don't care if these bitches turn on one another and tear it up each week.

[BlackMamba]

I'm just shocked over how sickeningly skinny both Carole and Jules looked at that party...yikes...if they look that skinny on television, I shudder over how tiny they must look in real life.

No surprise that Carole admitted to still wearing the same size of her 7th grade training bra---must be nice to not worry about hoisting up "the girls", so I'm admittedly a little envious...

Then again, I'd much rather be a bit curvier and enjoy chocolate, beer and cheese than be the same size as a middle school girl, so it's all good.

Carole is the human Q-tip in her own right! Big head, little body. I remember seeing pictures of these two Car/B during last summer and they could use some soul food. Bethenny and her neckbones, yikes. And yet they are coming for Jules. I swear I think their is some hating because they aren't that young, tall and skinny like her.

[Trooper York]

It is obvious why these pretentious bitches have it in for John. He gives off the vibe of a working class outer borough ethnic guy. The kind that these snots would never be caught dead with on their arm. So déclassé my dear. You saw it in their trip to the Parkside Restaurant last season. It was like they were on safari in the Serengeti.

 

The fact is who in their right mind would want to be involved with Bethenney or Ramona. You would be better off sticking it in a pencil sharpener.

[BlackMamba]

It is obvious why these pretentious bitches have it in for John. He gives off the vibe of a working class outer borough ethnic guy. The kind that these snots would never be caught dead with on their arm. So déclassé my dear. You saw it in their trip to the Parkside Restaurant last season. It was like they were on safari in the Serengeti.

Ramona did say last season she wouldn't be caught dead dating a bartender.

[Umbelina]

Jule's isn't just skinny, she looks sick, and like other severe anorexics I've seen.  That scene of her with bare legs in the shorts just gave me chills.  She almost looks normal in clothes, but her legs were hollow and bony, scary bony. 

 

I just love that these women fight their own battles and bring stuff up to people's faces instead of trying to get someone else to do their dirty work, and then whining about it.

 

So glad Heather and Kristen are gone.  I think this is a pretty good group as far as making an interesting or entertaining show.  I don't have to like or dislike them, and frankly, I don't.  I'm here for the fireworks, and fun.

Edited April 14, 2016 by Umbelina

[ichbin]

I kept thinking that Carole reminded me of someone tonight.  It finally came to me...Sue Johnston (she's probably best known in the US as Denker on Downton Abbey)

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[Juneau Gal]

 

Lastly, Lu and Sonja of  Grey Hey Gardens...  Lu is starting to show her age.  Don't get me wrong.  She's gorgeous and has the best body of any of all the housewives.  

You are so right. I was kinda taken aback when I saw her sitting at Sonja's table; her voice has gotten VERY smokey low and she looked a bit hard. It seems the time between seasons hadn't been kind to our Lu.

[breezy424]

It is obvious why these pretentious bitches have it in for John. He gives off the vibe of a working class outer borough ethnic guy. The kind that these snots would never be caught dead with on their arm. So déclassé my dear. You saw it in their trip to the Parkside Restaurant last season. It was like they were on safari in the Serengeti.

 

The fact is who in their right mind would want to be involved with Bethenney or Ramona. You would be better off sticking it in a pencil sharpener.

Hey, I grew up in an outer borough and I totally understand who John is.  He's sleezy.  Period. 

. 

[bagatelle]

Wow... this shit couldn't wait for a review. Who heard Carole say, "We have an obesity more than a skinny problem" and not to mention she said something about Jules being too skinny. Ok if this is the season of talking about someone's body skinny or fat, I'm going to be livid. Body shamers have low esteem and are disgusting.

[LilaFowler]

So Sonja and LuAnn are going to be excluded from all group events this season?  No one wants to film with them?

 

Also, I think Bethenny hates John because he reminds her of how she used to be.  She used to push her Bethenny Bakes crap on the innocent constantly.  All roads led back to her.  She still uses this show for Skinnygirl product placement.  She's a hustler, John's a hustler, and she hates that they're alike in that way.  If Dorinda weren't a drunk mess half the time, she would point this out.

 

Bethenny and her tales from the summer are so dull.  Stop with the runtelldat already.  Fucking bitter hag.

Edited April 14, 2016 by LilaFowler

[Umbelina]

Then we hear the bra lady tell Carole she is probably a size 28 or less, which is fine, but still incredibly tiny, considering she was criticizing Jules for being so.

 

I cannot take my eyes off Bethenny's shaved jawline.  It looks so much smaller and not like her at all.  If the women are going to talk about Romona's new boobs, why aren't they talking about Bethenny's new face work?

True, but Carole is at least a foot shorter than Jules, or close to that. 

 

Well, Bethenny and Carole will look healthy next to her, so I guess that's a plus.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Um, this show should now be called "Bethenny Talks Shit about Anyone/Everyone Near Her, But NOBODY is Allowed to Talk Shit About Her".  So Bethenny, you don't give any fucks?  Sure, sure.  Please.  Go sell that to some other crowd who doesn't know you like we do, hun.

 

I don't care what the results were of Satan Andy's poll on WWHL.  I say Satan Andy fixed it to go in favor of his palsy-walsy Bethenny, who he still (so oddly) seems terrified of.  Carole is ridiculously & pathetically up Bethenny's ass.  Even her response to this accusation (which Satan Andy read on WWHL) was butt-smooching Bethenny -- saying how great Bethenny's ass is.  Ugh & ew, Carole.  

 

And WTF was up with Carole saying she has 5 good summers left?  Was this supposed to be funny?  I didn't care for it.  She sounded hopeless, talking about her relationship with Adam.  When she said he wanted kids, I thought she was implying she knows this relationship is doomed.  Hmmmm.  Kinda depressing.

 

OK, I know this is Moaner & she is a totally horrible woman, but still, Dorinda is supposed to be her friend.  So I was a little surprised to see her joining Bethenny in the cruel dumping on John.  God, does Bethenny's nastiness & cruelty ever end?  Guess not.

 

Anyone see on WWHL, when Satan Andy asked Dorinda about sparring with Bethenny on Twitter?  She turned to him & said, "Doesn't she deserve it?"  Satan Andy didn't answer.  Alrighty then.  Showing his apparent fear of Bethenny -- again???

 

So are Lu & Sonja morphing into Felix & Oscar?  The Grey Gardens thing Satan Andy is doing on WWHL is really falling flat.  But seriously, why the fuckety fuck have you kicked these 2 off into oblivion, Bethenny?   Maybe cuz they both refuse to place their heads up into your asshole?

Edited April 14, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[Wierzbowski]

While I agree that Ramona shouldn't have brought up the Viagra crap in front of everyone, Dorinda's rage that Ramona was discussing her and John's private sex life is misplaced-- didn't John talk about the Viagra to a group of Ramona's friends on a public street corner? And Carole's eyebrows were way too dark during her lunch w B.

[JakeyJokes]

And WTF was up with Carole saying she has 5 good summers left?  Was this supposed to be funny?  I didn't care for it.  She sounded hopeless, talking about her relationship with Adam.  When she said he wanted kids, I thought she was implying she knows this relationship is doomed.  Hmmmm.  Kinda depressing.

 

 

In 5 years, Carole will be a 57-year-old woman and Adam will presumably be a good-looking and healthy 34-year-old man. She speaks as if she knows this won't last forever, so she's staying in the moment and not overthinking it (even to the point where she won't entertain the idea that she's in love with him, at least not out loud). I, too, find it depressing, but also a quietly interesting storyline that doesn't involve yelling, cursing, and mean Tweeting.

 

Speaking of Twitter, Dorinda was live-Tweeting it and going in on people. Carole Tweeted that Dorinda tweets like a fan and almost has an alter ego on there, and that's why she was so mean to Heather last season (in real life they were fine). Anyway, BETHENNY BLOCKED DORINDA but not before Dorinda divulged that Bethenny didn't go to the cast premiere party last week. Bethenny may have had a valid reason why she couldn't go, but it comes across as kind of a dick move, especially since she's being promoted as the star. Dorinda also didn't get back to me when I asked her if you're supposed to heat up Nair like she said she does on WWHL.

Edited April 14, 2016 by JakeyJokes

[BlackMamba]

Bethenny and Dorinda been going at it all night and this has

[cherry slushie]

Jules again with the domestic show.  It was even more obvious this week that the housekeeper and nanny do 99% of the work.  When she was about to give the kids a bath, her husband, who was completely clueless about this child bathing ritual, asking; "Wait, both of them are going in?" showed that this is not a normal or daily occurrence in their household.  Plus, she had the shower head going full blast on a toddler! She practically drowned the babe! I'm betting they sleep in and/or have sex until it's time for Michael to shower for work.

 

Also, one egg yolk and two egg whites and she asks him to save her some?  Then I realized that there's no way she's eating more than one curd of scrambled egg, so it made sense.

 

That being said, I also hated when she brought up the age comparison, stating they all could be her mother.  Yeah, Ramona could.  The rest would have been teen moms if she were their daughter.  She reminded me of Meghan from RHOC when she started in on that shit.

 

As for John and Dorinda, someone mentioned up thread that they think he's despised because of his blue collar, ethnic background.  I'm sure that plays a part, but if he were tall(er), fit and good looking, I think they'd let that pass.  They're grossed out because he's pudgy, balding, kind of childish, and lewd.

 

Finally, I liked Bethenny better when she was poor (well, poor compared to the others).  Talk about wielding the golden ax over everyone's head.  She's so used to people kissing her ass because she has money (which equates to power), that she's forgotten how to respect others.

Edited April 18, 2016 by cherry slushie

[izabella]

OMG, Ramona is so proud of those boobs!  The way she was posing with them in front of the mirror, thinking she was being oh-so-subtle about how she sticking her chest out, was cracking me up.

 

Bethenny and Ramona are both twats who don't care if they're hurting Dorinda, though they couch it as concern for her.  I do not like Dorinda, but I'm glad she sees that about them, and really gives zero fucks about calling them on it.  I totally get what Dorinda was saying - out of respect for their friendship , she would expect Ramona to bring up gossip like that up to her privately and not on camera as fodder for the show.  Ramona broke friend code by 1) telling other people (Bethenny) and the cameras what "her girlfriends heard John say to a bunch of other people standing outside on a sidewalk" before telling Dorinda herself in private, and 2) bringing that shit up on camera for the whole group to use as fodder for the show. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

In 5 years, Carole will be a 57-year-old woman and Adam will presumably be a good-looking and healthy 34-year-old man. She speaks as if she knows this won't last forever, so she's staying in the moment and not overthinking it (even to the point where she won't entertain the idea that she's in love with him, at least not out loud). I, too, find it depressing, but also a quietly interesting storyline that doesn't involve yelling, cursing, and mean Tweeting.

 

Idk, I took it to mean she thought her life would be over in 5 years.  I found it really disturbing.  She said she "would be in a very different place" then.  Have no idea what she meant by this, but life doesn't end at 57, unless you die.  I've said before I think Carole, despite her carefree routine, seems very damaged (& remains so) from what has occurred in her past.  To me, she seems to be saying she'll passively stay in this relationship -- until he leaves her for someone younger, who he can have children with, which she seems to be predicting will ultimately happen.  Interesting that when she's with Adam, she's all happy, happy, happy, and then we get this depressing POV from her on how she really views this relationship.

 

OK, so Bethenny slams Lu pretty hard.  Do we need a scorecard every ep on who Bethenny slams?

Edited April 14, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[Petunia13]

I thought it meant 5 good summers of partying.

Who knows though? Carole looks exactly like Steven Tyler, maybe she'll continue to have his stamina.

[selhars]

Why is everyone going on and one about Jules being thin and having no boobs. Carole doesn't have any either, and is just as thin. She's just not as tall so perhaps they look different, but neither Carole nor Bethenney have room to talk about  Jules being skinny. They both look anorexic to me.

[ScoobieDoobs]

As for John and Dorinda, someone mentioned up thread that they think he's despised because of his blue collar, ethnic background.  I'm sure that plays a part, but if he were tall, fit and good looking, I think they'd let that pass.  They're grossed out because he's short, pudgy, balding and lude.

 

Gee, I don't think you've described John accurately.  Seriously, I've seen him in person cuz I used to go to his business fairly often.  He's not short, he's very well groomed & in the winter, when everyone's wearing coats, you wouldn't know his physical shape cuz he's certainly not obese.  Every time I saw him he had a smile on his face & was extremely friendly & sweet to everyone around.  Exact opposite to Bethenny?  I'd think her head would explode being around someone like this.  Believe it or not, John actually has a rep of being a nice guy -- in business & in life.  So yeah, I get how someone like this would just not compute for Bethenny.  And as far as Moaner?  Well, she chose Mario as her ideal man.  Nuff said.

 

Nah, I think it's the outer borough snobbery that's getting to these broads.  They've all conveniently forgotten their own extremely humble roots.

 

Anyhoo, who you did describe is Jules' husband.  Saw them over the weekend on Fifth Avenue, in the 20's -- I assume close to where they said they live.  Now Jules, I would totally never notice cuz she looks very average to me, but she is tallish.  She was wearing a big coat so I have no idea about her looking skinny or too skinny & I wouldn't make those kinda judgements publicly anyway.  But the husband looks like a greasy little meatball.  Idk, his attitude spelled douche to me.  How did I recognize these 2 completely ordinary people?  The kids.  Yeah, they were screeching their heads off & people everywhere were turning around.  Sheesh, I wouldn't wanna be in a restaurant near this crew.

[BlackMamba]

I thought it meant 5 good summers of partying.

Who knows though? Carole looks exactly like Steven Tyler, maybe she'll continue to have his stamina.

[biakbiak]

Jules doesn't look scary skinny to me. She is skinny but if you notice everytime she goes to tie her hair back, which since she does it every 20 seconds it's hard to ignore, she actually has decent muscle definition (more than Carole has) and she doesnt have other physical characteristics of people with extreme anorexia. They kept showing Jules chest at the bra event to empasize her lack of breasts but she is less bony in that region than C and B, so they can shut it.

Jules is also ridiculous it's a suite find the bathroom and wash your hands. Bethenny really need to stop with the religious and race jokes, her saying she would have said something but she doesn't speak Japanese was ridiculous.

[cherry slushie]

Gee, I don't think you've described John accurately.  Seriously, I've seen him in person cuz I used to go to his business fairly often.  He's not short, he's very well groomed & in the winter, when everyone's wearing coats, you wouldn't know his physical shape cuz he's certainly not obese.  Every time I saw him he had a smile on his face & was extremely friendly & sweet to everyone around.  Exact opposite to Bethenny?  I'd think her head would explode being around someone like this.  Believe it or not, John actually has a rep of being a nice guy -- in business & in life.  So yeah, I get how someone like this would just not compute for Bethenny.  And as far as Moaner?  Well, she chose Mario as her ideal man.  Nuff said.

 

Nah, I think it's the outer borough snobbery that's getting to these broads.  They've all conveniently forgotten their own extremely humble roots.

 

Anyhoo, who you did describe is Jules' husband.  Saw them over the weekend on Fifth Avenue, in the 20's -- I assume close to where they said they live.  Now Jules, I would totally never notice cuz she looks very average to me, but she is tallish.  She was wearing a big coat so I have no idea about her looking skinny or too skinny & I wouldn't make those kinda judgements publicly anyway.  But the husband looks like a greasy little meatball.  Idk, his attitude spelled douche to me.  How did I recognize these 2 completely ordinary people?  The kids.  Yeah, they were screeching their heads off & people everywhere were turning around.  Sheesh, I wouldn't wanna be in a restaurant near this crew.

 

I only described what I see on TV, and I never said he was poorly groomed or obese.  Nice to hear that he's a pleasant guy. :)  

 

That said, ahhh, you quoted me before I corrected lude to lewd. LOL

Edited April 14, 2016 by cherry slushie

[JenFromCincy]

Weren't there rumors during the off season of a contract battle regarding Luann and Sonja? Maybe that's where the Gr-heyyy Gardens set up comes into play. Kind of generic conversations that could be edited in after the fact? Don't know this for a fact because I can't remember what site I saw it on, but it might explain why they are off by themselves for the first few episodes.

[anonymiss]

So I kind of liked Jules this time around because she seemed not to be cut from the same catty fiber of these bitches and seemed baffled by their nastiness, kind of like how Kristen never really stopped being. She has much more fight in her than that, though, which I'm sure we'll see. It may not be polite to comment, but we don't know her so I'll say it does seem like she has an eating disorder. It's suspect when someone exceptionally skinny makes an effort to present herself around a lot of food, e.g., cooking full meals for others, but not eating for herself. There's scrawny like Carole, lean with muscle tone like B, and ana-looking like Jules.

 

Dorinda didn't seem surprised by the "I pop Viagra and then fuck her for 6 hours" comment so I guess it's true. She was just aghast Ramona was ganging up on her by saying it. 

Edited April 14, 2016 by anonymiss

[Morbs]

I guess I'm completely off the mark and an idiot but I was expecting Jules to be revealed as transgender.  I don't remember if she mentioned being pregnant in the first episode, but at the bra party I thought they were about to reveal it when I think Ramona mentioned they need to just pretend Jules needs a bra.  I guess they would have promoted it by now.

Edited April 14, 2016 by Morbs

[Beden]

 

Idk, I took it to mean she thought her life would be over in 5 years.  I found it really disturbing.  She said she "would be in a very different place" then.  Have no idea what she meant by this, but life doesn't end at 57, unless you die.  I've said before I think Carole, despite her carefree routine, seems very damaged (& remains so) from what has occurred in her past.  To me, she seems to be saying she'll passively stay in this relationship -- until he leaves her for someone younger, who he can have children with, which she seems to be predicting will ultimately happen.  Interesting that when she's with Adam, she's all happy, happy, happy, and then we get this depressing POV from her on how she really views this relationship.

The take I got from this is that C knows exactly what her relationship is and what it's limitations are. She's  simply being realistic.  I suspect that she's enjoying it while it lasts and knows that the clock is ticking. Sad. I also suspect that her deceased husband is often on her mind--no surprise--and she's thinking that he's

 who she should be hanging out with, that his death isn't something she's really come to grips with yet, which is pretty understandable; everyone has to deal with loss and grief in their own way. Some cope better than others and while years have gone by, the triple loss of two close friends in an unexpected, random accident followed by her husbands lingering final death from something as horrible as cancer would knock anyone into the wings. Frankly, I'd be surprised if she'd completely moved on.  Sure, she tried to get some perspective by writing her books but that's a fucking hard road under any circumstances. I also suspect that she agreed to be on this show as both an income possibility and also as something to take her mind off things.

 

As to that stupid bra party...how frigging much booze had the women swallowed from that open bar they showed? If this season is just going to be an endless string of drunken, pointless arguments and insults...really? I'm gone.

[ghoulina]

How ironic that Dorinda proclaims in 20 years Ramona has never burned her....and then Ramona goes and burns her! 

 

It was almost kind of comical. Ramona must have thought, "Well, if Bethenny can say something, so can I". But it was so not the same. And I don't 100% back Bethenny addressing John in that moment, because I have this thing about not starting stuff with people at their event. However, it wasn't as personal as Ramona's conversation, and I could also see why she brought it up when she did. 

 

Dorinda started with this classist bullshit about how Ramona and Carol shouldn't hang out; how Ramona should stick to her fancy UES restaurants and Carol should stick with her crunchy downtown people. I thought that was so incredibly rude. As if people can't just hang out with whomever they want to. And Dorinda likes to act to like she's right there on par with Ramona, but her boyfriend is a bit more rough around the edges. So I think Bethenny was like - "stop with the fakery!" It was like I was saying last week, Dorinda will get so annoyed at the shit John does, but no one else is allowed to. And I don't think Beth cares who Dorinda dates, but just own who he is and stop trying to make it out like he's this amazing great guy, when even YOU can't stand him half the time. 

 

But Ramona, wow. She just really can't read a situation, can she? That absolutely was a discussion that should have been private. But here's the thing, if it were me, I don't think I'd saying anything. At all. For two reasons. One, I didn't really think that comment was that horrible. Sure, couples shouldn't really discuss their sex lives with other people. But I don't think what he said was negative. He said he liked to fuck his girlfriend.  Now if he had said he was fucking someone else, or was telling people how bad in bed Dorinda was, then I'd say something. But - "I like to bang my girl for 6 hours". So? 

 

But more than that, after all these years, she should have known exactly how Dorinda would respond. I've only watched her on TV and I knew exactly how she would respond. So what was the point? Dorinda went from 0 to raging She Beast in 60 seconds flat and, personally, I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of those angry eyes. Yikes. 

 

I always feel so bad for the people working at these parties, being subjected to all the yelling and screaming. And did they ever even try on any bras??? I was so flummoxed by the idea of sizing someone without measuring, that I wanted to see if the bras actually fit them. 

 

And Beth, wow, channeling Michael Jackson in that get up. Just no. 

 

I'm still not really feeling Jules. Yes, I'm going to snark on her home life. "Save my your leftover eggs"? Like that little portion was enough to share? Makes me think her meals consist solely of the scraps her husband doesn't eat. And her son is late to school every day because he likes to lounge around, watch TV, and take Jacuzzi baths every morning? And it's okay, because you pay for his education? What about all the stuff he's missing? Ridiculous. 

 

But the worst is apparent lack of manners. Not only was she touching all over this shrimp that she didn't eat, but then she thrusts her hands into the communal ice bucket, not only transferring the shrimp residue, but grime from every cab, door, elevator button, etc. that she touched on the way in there. Maybe she can take some of that private school money and pay for an etiquette class. 

 

Dorinda could use some lessons to, what with prioritizing getting a drink at a jewelry shop over exposing everyone to her damn cold.

 

 

You know, Sonja scares me and LuAnn has totally turned me off again (my whole view of her is on a constant roller coaster ride), but I'm sort of loving their scenes together. Sonja finds a random piece of sage in their food and brushes off an explanation of saging her kitchen for demons! And Lu's face?! Priceless. 

 

Last, but not least, Ramona - get some curtains!!!!

[ghoulina]

So, are they going to try and give Dorinda the alcoholic edit this season?

 

I think it's going to be more than just alcohol. 

 

No surprise that Carole admitted to still wearing the same size of her 7th grade training bra---must be nice to not worry about hoisting up "the girls", so I'm admittedly a little envious...

Then again, I'd much rather be a bit curvier and enjoy chocolate, beer and cheese than be the same size as a middle school girl, so it's all good.

 

Some people can't help being that skinny. My step-mother is rail thin, but homegirl eats. A lot. I think Carol eats. Jules may be another issue. But I don't know enough about either one to say. I just know that some women can enjoy chocolate, beer, and cheese and never put on a pound. I'll admit it makes me kind of jealous, but I know it hurts someone's feelings to imply they don't eat to look that way when it's just naturally how they look. 

 

You are so right. I was kinda taken aback when I saw her sitting at Sonja's table; her voice has gotten VERY smokey low and she looked a bit hard. It seems the time between seasons hadn't been kind to our Lu.

 

I thought her skin looked awful, and I was trying to think back to if her skin had always looked that rough. 

[JenFromCincy]

I think it's going to be more than just alcohol. 

 

I caught that too, but thought it was in reference to John. Was surprised even knowing how mouthy that B can be that she threw that out there.

[poeticlicensed]

Dorinda - I know the other women don't like John. He definitely stands out from that UES crowd and not in a good way. But if D like him, whateves.But my issue is that when John isn't around, she is his biggest fan, she talks about how much she loves him, etc, yet when they are together, she acts like she can't stand him. She is always shooing him away or giving him the sideye or telling him to shaddap. It makes no damn sense. BUT B and Romana need to get off his ass, and it was totally inappropriate for Moaner to tell Dorinda in front of everyone something she heard he said, not witnessed herself, but heard. But Dorinda's drunken rant was just sloppy.

 

B thinks everyone is insulting her business or trying to take advantage of her Nobody but you gives a shit B. 

 

I think Dorinda and John have one thing in common, they are drinking buddies and they get sloppy drunk together. Not exactly the basis for a bright future. Dorinda always sounds like she is slurring. I used to think that it was something about her mouth, now I think she is hammered most of the time, at least most of the time they film. She did not sound hammered on WWHL and I didn't notice the slur was as pronounced. 

 

Jules - oy, oy. That morning scene was so fakey fake. Clearly the nanny and housekeeper are usually there, the probably told them to come in late that morning so they can film the requisite "see my whacky crazy life as a SAHM, I'm just like everyone else" scene. UGH. I mean, if you don't drink coffee, then you probably don't know how to make it, but if your husband drinks it, and you don't know how to make it and you try to give the impression that this is your morning routine, then someone else makes the coffee. And giving the kids baths in the morning before school? No just no. And then to say that you can take you kid to school whenever because you pay for it. Or lordy, I hope none of the teachers at the school were watching. Listen you have money so you have help. It's not a disgrace to show it. And sticking you hands in an ice bowl was just dumb. Go to the damn bathroom and use the sink.

 

Why haven't  Sonja and Lu been shooting with the others. Just weird.   

Edited April 14, 2016 by poeticlicensed