The Duggars: In the Media and TLC

[JoanArc]

3 minutes ago, mittsigirl said:

LoL, me too! Who do you think would play Josh, JB and Michelle if Law and Order SVU did a show about this? Love, love that show.

 

[Oldernowiser]

The Duggars never looked half that good on their best day ever.

[Zella]

Just now, Oldernowiser said:

The Duggars never looked half that good on their best day ever.

Those people clearly do not subsist on a diet of tater tot casserole and BBQ tuna. 

[mittsigirl]

6 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 

So this episode was about them? I would like to see it again now!

[JoanArc]

4 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

The Duggars never looked half that good on their best day ever.

This was their ‘Josh’ character!

 

[mittsigirl]

9 minutes ago, Zella said:

They did an episode loosely inspired by the Duggars! "Patrimonial Burden."

I wondered about that while watching that episode, would like to see it again.

[Tuxcat]

32 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

What should they do? What most American parents do. Get jobs to support their kids

They were raised by parents who failed to offer them the chance to learn skills or further their education. Kendra with three kids under 3, and Jessa with 4 young kids, are both married to husbands who have little to offer.

Not any of those 4 adults are able to walk right out and earn enough to support such young families right off the bat.

Sure life isn't easy. But its not entirely  their fault that they are in this situation. Their counsel is JB.

32 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

They should ALL have been thinking of what would happen when the show ended. This is not on Derrick, imo. I don’t feel sorry for them for having to support their kids without exploiting them. Their kids deserve better

Not saying its on Derrick at all (who incidentally also exploits his kids <youtube, instragram>  and gains attention and followers by exploiting his in law grievances). Just saying that he seems like a hypocrite to call for an end to jill's sbling's current mode of support -- .

6 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

This was their ‘Josh’ character!

 

LOL, I definitely remember this one!

[iwantcookies]

27 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

The Duggars never looked half that good on their best day ever.

Duggar’s don’t shower daily. Showers and well fitting clothes help. And obviously a decent diet helps. 
 

 

[emmawoodhouse]

6 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

Duggar’s don’t shower daily. Showers and well fitting clothes help. And obviously a decent diet helps. 
 

 

Being pretty actors also helps. 😂

[MaryAnneSpier]

If the finances dry up and the show is cancelled, is JB going to find ways to support all the kids he's been supporting? Maybe take out loans (gasp!)? Help them get financial aid for tech school or community college (real education)? Would any of them take government assistance to help feed their young kids? I'd like to see where their morals and religion and politics go when reality hits them and they're all back to poverty (except for Derrick, who has actual education). 

I would like to see in a few years after the end of Counting On (whenever that may be) a follow-up where Jill and any others who broke out (knock on wood) will share what really happened during their upbringing, if they want to share. None of the money goes to JB and Michelle; each Duggar who is on the show gets their own check. It's the least TLC can do after their parents sold out their kids' lives and childhood for fame and worldly materials. 

 

[NotthebadVictoria]

1 hour ago, Trillium said:

Banking on never having to get an actual job was never a smart play and now it’s biting them in the ass and I do not feel the least bit sorry for them. None of them are incapable of working. Yeah it’s going to be low skilled, low paying jobs, but again don’t feel badly for them. Maybe they’ll realize for their kids a real education is a necessity because being an influencer doesn’t pay for the lattes.  

YES!!! Fuck them all (except Jill) and the Bible they rode in on. I won’t lose a wink of sleep over any one of those kids losing their lifestyles, welcome to the real world!

[Cinnabon]

22 minutes ago, NotthebadVictoria said:

YES!!! Fuck them all (except Jill) and the Bible they rode in on. I won’t lose a wink of sleep over any one of those kids losing their lifestyles, welcome to the real world!

Maybe some of them can join the military, since they seem to fetishize it so much. They can pull themselves up by their bootstraps, EXACTLY as they preach others should.

[cmr2014]

I think that part of the reason to encourage them to marry young and start the baby train asap is to get them into this situation. Maybe you start to grow up a bit, and get a little itch that maybe being under your father's thumb for the rest of your life isn't what you really want,  but you're 26 years old with 6 kids and no skills, and no friends outside of the cult. You don't have the life skills to go out and find a job and a place to live -- and you have a wife who doesn't work, and 6 kids. You're pretty stuck.

[emmawoodhouse]

6 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Maybe some of them can join the military, since they seem to fetishize it so much. They can pull themselves up by their bootstraps, EXACTLY as they preach others should.

And I'm Beyonce. 😂

[Lady Whistleup]

It's important to remember that even though Abbie has a nursing degree she CAN'T get a job according to the Duggar beliefs. Women can't work outside the home. SO getting a job for the females is a non-starter.

[cmr2014]

19 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Maybe some of them can join the military, since they seem to fetishize it so much. They can pull themselves up by their bootstraps, EXACTLY as they preach others should.

None of them will ever join the military. They fetishize guns, and insist that they are uber-patriots, and are involved in that psuedo-military ALERT organization, but I don't think that any of the Gothardites have ever joined the military (maybe someone knows of a Wisdom booklet that explains this?).

[Tuxcat]

3 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

It's important to remember that even though Abbie has a nursing degree she CAN'T get a job according to the Duggar beliefs. Women can't work outside the home. SO getting a job for the females is a non-starter.

I thought Jill was working as a midwife type assistant (albeit uncertified)? That was when she was still a Duggar.

[cmr2014]

Just now, Tuxcat said:

I thought Jill was working as a midwife type assistant (albeit uncertified)? That was when she was still a Duggar.

Remember that was before she was married, and before she was a mother. Derick has to push her to finish her certification, because it was clear that once she popped out a baby, her plan was to rest on the glory of her motherhood for life.

Given all the changes she's gone through in the past couple of years, I could actually see Jill getting a part time job once Sam is in school.

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

I thought Jill was working as a midwife type assistant (albeit uncertified)? That was when she was still a Duggar.

She never finished her exams to become a midwife. 

[Tuxcat]

Just now, cmr2014 said:

Remember that was before she was married, and before she was a mother. Derick has to push her to finish her certification, because it was clear that once she popped out a baby, her plan was to rest on the glory of her motherhood for life.

Given all the changes she's gone through in the past couple of years, I could actually see Jill getting a part time job once Sam is in school.

I know but the OP had said Duggar women aren't allowed to work outside the home. I didn't think that was a rule. Although of course, they don't work - they have babies. But still.

[Oldernowiser]

1 minute ago, cmr2014 said:

None of them will ever join the military. They fetishize guns, and insist that they are uber-patriots, and are involved in that psuedo-military ALERT organization, but I don't think that any of the Gothardites have ever joined the military (maybe someone knows of a Wisdom booklet that explains this?).

Looks around to make sure no one can hear, leans in, whispers…”they might have to take orders from a woman!!!!!!”

Or a heathen or someone of another faith or creed or race. Or someone who doesn’t understand how SUPER SPECIAL they are!!! The horror…

That and there are those pesky things like waking up on time, being accountable, working hard, and learning skills. Not going to happen.

[Zella]

Just now, cmr2014 said:

I could actually see Jill getting a part time job once Sam is in school.

I'm not an Amy fan, but I think a part-time job at Amy's store would probably be the best gateway drug into employment for Jill if both of them were interested/agreeable to that. Not modeling clothes on social media but actually having shifts you have to show up for. 

[Cinnabon]

7 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

None of them will ever join the military. They fetishize guns, and insist that they are uber-patriots, and are involved in that psuedo-military ALERT organization, but I don't think that any of the Gothardites have ever joined the military (maybe someone knows of a Wisdom booklet that explains this?).

Then they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps some other way. They have literally preached this about other people for years. At least they have boots to start with, unlike many.

[cmr2014]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

I'm not an Amy fan, but I think a part-time job at Amy's store would probably be the best gateway drug into employment for Jill if both of them were interested/agreeable to that. Not modeling clothes on social media but actually having shifts you have to show up for. 

That's actually the exact part-time job I was envisioning. That assumes, of course, that there will still be a shop in a few years.

[Lady Whistleup]

She might be able to do some clerical work if Derick works in a smaller law firm. 

[Tuxcat]

I seriously doubt Derick will want Jill to work outside the home. Who would take care of the youtube channel and the 2 million social media followers? He wouldn't want to give that up.

[Zella]

14 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

She might be able to do some clerical work if Derick works in a smaller law firm. 

I am not sure Jill would be ready for work at a law firm of any size in any capacity as a first job. I truly don't mean that rudely, but I think something lower stakes would probably be a better fit for starters. 

[3 is enough]

I remember speculation back in the day about how much they got per episode.  The range was 10k to 25k per episode, and at the height of the show’s popularity, there were over 30 episodes per year. So at most 750k before taxes, but I am guessing it was closer to the lower end.  That was for the original family plus Anna and a couple of M kids.

Last year there were only 11 episodes of Counting On, and the family has grown to include 9 more spouses and 20 grandchildren.  Even if you remove Jill, Jinger, and Joy’s families you are talking almost double the mouths to feed and a third of the income.  The money from the show may pay for some extras but it is not their main source of income.

[Zella]

6 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

I remember speculation back in the day about how much they got per episode.  The range was 10k to 25k per episode, and at the height of the show’s popularity, there were over 30 episodes per year. So at most 750k before taxes, but I am guessing it was closer to the lower end.  That was for the original family plus Anna and a couple of M kids.

Last year there were only 11 episodes of Counting On, and the family has grown to include 9 more spouses and 20 grandchildren.  Even if you remove Jill, Jinger, and Joy’s families you are talking almost double the mouths to feed and a third of the income.  The money from the show may pay for some extras but it is not their main source of income.

Admittedly, it's been a while since I poked around looking at property records for these folks, but Jim Bob (as of early 2020) did own several commercial properties that were being used by other businesses that I am pretty sure had no other Duggar ties. I think one was a Hertz car rental place and the other was a doughnut place. 

In any event, I do suspect he gets some rent out of those properties on the regular in addition to show income, but I'd be surprised if it is enough to support all of them. 

[Tuxcat]

5 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

I remember speculation back in the day about how much they got per episode.  The range was 10k to 25k per episode, and at the height of the show’s popularity, there were over 30 episodes per year. So at most 750k before taxes, but I am guessing it was closer to the lower end.  That was for the original family plus Anna and a couple of M kids.

Last year there were only 11 episodes of Counting On, and the family has grown to include 9 more spouses and 20 grandchildren.  Even if you remove Jill, Jinger, and Joy’s families you are talking almost double the mouths to feed and a third of the income.  The money from the show may pay for some extras but it is not their main source of income.

Agreed. But for the adult kids, as long as it stays on air - it keeps them relevant. You need the exposure and the press to build and hold the followings, so that your social media and youtube income can continue. Jessa and Jill both have 2 million followers. Ginger and Joy over a million. All the others are at least mid level with the capability of monetizing the brand.  Jill has a solid way to stay relevant and keep building as she is the anti-duggar. But the rest, don't have any such path (maybe- yet??).

[Clawdel]

My favorite YouTube lawyer Scott Reisch, a defense attorney learns to pronounce the name "Duggar". 

He stands corrected!

 

 

[Cinnabon]

11 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Agreed. But for the adult kids, as long as it stays on air - it keeps them relevant. You need the exposure and the press to build and hold the followings, so that your social media and youtube income can continue. Jessa and Jill both have 2 million followers. Ginger and Joy over a million. All the others are at least mid level with the capability of monetizing the brand.  Jill has a solid way to stay relevant and keep building as she is the anti-duggar. But the rest, don't have any such path (maybe- yet??).

They all (including Jill) need to stop exploiting their kids for money. If they can stay “relevant” without doing that then more power to them.

their “headships” are supposed to be providing, though. Tv and SM won’t help them gain useable skills. 

 

Edited May 4, 2021 by Cinnabon

[MsJamieDornan]

3 hours ago, Clawdel said:

My favorite YouTube lawyer Scott Reisch, a defense attorney learns to pronounce the name "Duggar". 

Finally.

[Tdoc72]

6 hours ago, Zella said:

They did an episode loosely inspired by the Duggars! "Patrimonial Burden."

I love that one!  Olivia’s baffled expressions at all the patriarchy crack me up. 

6 hours ago, mittsigirl said:

So this episode was about them? I would like to see it again now!

It’s streaming on Peacock & Hulu if you have access. Season 17, episode 7. Patriarchal Burden. It’s enough of the Duggars so you see where they got the basis for the episode, but different enough so the Duggars couldn’t sue. LOL. 

Edited May 4, 2021 by Tdoc72

[galaxygirl76]

I'm sure that if the show gets canceled Boob is going to stop doling out 'his' money to the kids. Boob loves money. 

[Jeanne222]

34 minutes ago, galaxygirl76 said:

I'm sure that if the show gets canceled Boob is going to stop doling out 'his' money to the kids. Boob loves money. 

Boob will always find work for his worker bees sons.  They will flip houses and do grunt work so JB can sell them for profits!

Lining his pockets with gold!

[Ohiopirate02]

7 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

I seriously doubt Derick will want Jill to work outside the home. Who would take care of the youtube channel and the 2 million social media followers? He wouldn't want to give that up.

Derick grew up in a home where his mom worked.   He would have zero issues with Jill getting a job outside of the home.  The Dillards YouTube has always read to me like a way  for Jill to still be filming something.   Jill did spend a good chunk of her adolescence with a camera crew in tow.  They don't post enough to make any money off of their channel.  

The 2 million Instagram followers dont need that much work.  Jill can use her Instagram like any other person and they will stick around and also still send her family stuff.  

[lascuba]

 

4 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Derick grew up in a home where his mom worked.   He would have zero issues with Jill getting a job outside of the home. 

He grew up in a home where his mom worked, and yet he still found JB and his spiel so appealing that he married his uneducated daughter.

I actually don't have an opinion on how Derick would feel about Jill working a full time job, but having grown up with a working mom doesn't mean anything in light of his decisions as an adult.

[GeeGolly]

52 minutes ago, lascuba said:

He grew up in a home where his mom worked, and yet he still found JB and his spiel so appealing that he married his uneducated daughter.

I actually don't have an opinion on how Derick would feel about Jill working a full time job, but having grown up with a working mom doesn't mean anything in light of his decisions as an adult.

JB's mom worked. And Michelle worked prior to marriage and during the first few years of their marriage.

Did Ethel Ruark work outside the home?

[Tuxcat]

1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Derick grew up in a home where his mom worked.   He would have zero issues with Jill getting a job outside of the home.  The Dillards YouTube has always read to me like a way  for Jill to still be filming something.   Jill did spend a good chunk of her adolescence with a camera crew in tow.  They don't post enough to make any money off of their channel.  

The 2 million Instagram followers dont need that much work.  Jill can use her Instagram like any other person and they will stick around and also still send her family stuff.  

Derick's past comments include a lot of references to "women's work." He 100% buys into the traditional roles - the man rules the roost -  regardless of his mom working. I know he's doing a rebranding of himself but that is to stay in the limelight - his "values"
haven't changed. And managing social media is a full time job for true influencers.  So its a win win for him to keep her home and churning out those kid photos, sponsored ads, new recipes. Swipe up to the blog! Swipe up to the channel! 

[anna0852]

11 hours ago, Zella said:

They did an episode loosely inspired by the Duggars! "Patrimonial Burden."

Time for another one!

[Churchhoney]

14 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

 

I'm not for either side to be honest, but it's got to really worry Ben and Jessa with baby #4 on the way. As Derick rallies cancel cancel cancel - he is also taking a hammer to Jill's siblings. So what should they do?

They should realize that, hey, they're just regular people. Like everybody else.

They're not some super-ooper-dooper special breed -- best beloved of God who "do things a little different" and therefore don't need educations or jobs or connections or cooperation with a broader community but can live off the sweet money-manna that falls from celebrity heaven and Daddy's big fat inexhaustible wallet.

And, having realized that, they can start developing a little damn sense and look for regular jobs, figure out how to develop job skills, practice super frugality at this moment including putting a temporary halt to the baby train, start making connections with more people in their communities, and start getting their children educated in a more useful way. 

In other words, they should do what other people all have to do. Because nobody deserves a tv show -- especially people who have no discernible talents or skills that make them tv-show worthy -- just because they've always had one. And nobody can be sure that Daddy's wallet really is inexhaustible. 

Eventually, this day was gonna come. No matter what. And even if they dodge this particular bullet, this day is gonna come eventually. 

The sooner they realize that, and stop imagining that they're so very special-ecial and extra-extra-deserving and start preparing themselves -- and their children -- for that day, the better off they'll all be in the end.  

Painful and difficult as they may find it in the doing. 

Unfortunately, they'll get no help from their parents in this. And that is a problem not everybody has to face. But that may be the thing that finally teaches them that the whole supposedly foolproof system their parents have told them to live by was a crock....all along. 

 

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Edited May 4, 2021 by Churchhoney

[Ohiopirate02]

9 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Derick's past comments include a lot of references to "women's work." He 100% buys into the traditional roles - the man rules the roost -  regardless of his mom working. I know he's doing a rebranding of himself but that is to stay in the limelight - his "values"
haven't changed. And managing social media is a full time job for true influencers.  So its a win win for him to keep her home and churning out those kid photos, sponsored ads, new recipes. Swipe up to the blog! Swipe up to the channel! 

Jill really has not been relying too much on churning out content for her SM or Youtube in the last couple of years.  Ever since Derick started really getting into law school, their focus has shifted.  Jill posts on Instagram at the same frequency as any other mother in her age bracket.  It's been a long time since she was shilling a product.  Her sisters are the ones doing that now.  Jill has also backed off of the questionable recipes.  Something has changed in the Dillards household.  I can very easily see Jill entering the workforce once Sam is in Kindergarten or going back to school.  

[Tuxcat]

6 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Jill really has not been relying too much on churning out content for her SM or Youtube in the last couple of years.  Ever since Derick started really getting into law school, their focus has shifted.  Jill posts on Instagram at the same frequency as any other mother in her age bracket.  It's been a long time since she was shilling a product.  Her sisters are the ones doing that now.  Jill has also backed off of the questionable recipes.  Something has changed in the Dillards household.  I can very easily see Jill entering the workforce once Sam is in Kindergarten or going back to school.  

No problem we can agree to disagree. Their youtube channel is hopping. And when their videos include content like ----Derick:  "Izzy, do you know how you got in Mommy's tummy? Mommy and Daddy had a date and then you were in the tummy." Then Derrick proceeds to boast about having "4 dates in one day." Cool dad. 

8 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

They should realize that, hey, they're just regular people. Like everybody else.

They're not some super-ooper-dooper special breed -- best beloved of God who "do things a little different" and therefore don't need educations or jobs or connections or cooperation with a broader community but can live off the sweet money-manna that falls from celebrity heaven and Daddy's big fat inexhaustible wallet.

And, having realized that, they can start developing a little damn sense and look for regular jobs, figure out how to develop job skills, practice super frugality at this moment including putting a temporary halt to the baby train, start making connections with more people in their communities, and start getting their children educated in a more useful way. 

In other words, they should do what other people all have to do. Because nobody deserves a tv show -- especially people who have no discernible talents or skills that make them tv-show worthy -- just because they've always had one. And nobody can be sure that Daddy's wallet really is inexhaustible. 

Eventually, this day was gonna come. No matter what. And even if they dodge this particular bullet, this day is gonna come eventually. 

The sooner they realize that, and stop imagining that they're so very special-ecial and extra-extra-deserving and start preparing themselves -- and their children -- for that day, the better off they'll all be in the end.  

Painful and difficult as they may find it in the doing. 

Unfortunately, they'll get no help from their parents in this. And that is a problem not everybody has to face. But that may be the thing that finally teaches them that the whole supposedly foolproof system their parents have told them to live by was a crock....all along. 

 

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Agree, but it's hard to "realize" that when you're entire existence and upbringing says otherwise.

Edited May 4, 2021 by Tuxcat

[Churchhoney]

9 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

I know but the OP had said Duggar women aren't allowed to work outside the home. I didn't think that was a rule. Although of course, they don't work - they have babies. But still.

In Gothardland it is a rule, unfortunately. And despite the molester unchained and rampant liar and grifter of theirs and others' money that Gothard himself is, JB and M still firmly embrace Gothardism, apparently. And Gothardism is (stupid, insane) rules rules rules, including this one. 

[laurakaye]

It will be very interesting to see what jobs the adult Duggars eventually find.  I suspect there will be a canyon-sized gap between the jobs they think they deserve and the jobs they're actually qualified for.  They might have to lower their standards - instead of, say, "working" at questionable used car lots and flipping houses for their own use, they stock grocery shelves or deliver pizza or take a cleaning job at a hospital - legit hard work for a legit paycheck.

[Tuxcat]

Just now, Churchhoney said:

In Gothardland it is a rule, unfortunately. And despite the molester unchained and rampant liar and grifter of theirs and others' money that Gothard himself is, JB and M still firmly embrace Gothardism, apparently. And Gothardism is (stupid, insane) rules rules rules, including this one. 

Definitely seems like the rule and the pattern. I'm just confused about how they "let Jill" go out and pursue the midwife thing - since that was before her liberation?

[Ohiopirate02]

1 minute ago, Tuxcat said:

Definitely seems like the rule and the pattern. I'm just confused about how they "let Jill" go out and pursue the midwife thing - since that was before her liberation?

There are still ways for a woman to earn money in Gothardism.  Being a midwife is one of them.  The women are supposed to be pumping out babies for Jesus and that requires assistance.  A like-minded midwife is a necessity for them.  No way one of their women can see a male OB/GYN, and they cannot have a secular woman spending time with their women.  Who knows what ideas may be put into her head.  

[iwantcookies]

Jill better dust off her medical thingies and start working 🤣🤣🤣. She can help deliver M7 preferably not on the toilet.

I cannot picture Jessa as a janitor. She cannot clean.

 

[Churchhoney]

5 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

 

Agree, but it's hard to "realize" that when you're entire existence and upbringing says otherwise.

I completely agree with you. I've been one who's stressed here and over again how very hard it is. Much harder than anybody who hasn't experienced something similar may think.

BUT...that doesn't mean it isn't an absolute necessity for them, sooner or later. And perhaps today. 

And it's terrifying that they've had wakeup calls before and they've ignored them. And that's just not acceptable.

Especially now -- when they can look at their children...and, if their brains are operating at all, ask themselves: "Hey, in 20 years, will the kids have a tv show with a paycheck, whose fame allows them to make additional money too on social media...And will I be a Daddy Duggar with an inexhaustible wallet from which I can dole out food and utility money to them?" 

The answer to those questions is so clearly NO!!! And the children are in front of them right now. So they can see it if they open their eyes just a little bit.....

And surely seeing the mess that's now coming down on them because of the Josh issues should wake them up at least a little bit to the notion that "Oh, could godly mama and godly daddy and godly Bill Gothard have been slightly wrong about some things???" I mean, if they don't vaguely glimpse that now, I don't know what help there is for them in any case. 

 People can say all they want that for humanitarian purposes they oughta be allowed to continue having a tv show. But that's obviously not how the world generally works. And if we're choosing worthy humanitarian causes, are they really anywhere near the top of the list? 

It's because I know how hard this is that I so badly want them to fucking wake up and wake up now. Before it's too late to materially change things even for their children! 

When I'm yelling here I'm yelling at them. I hope there's somebody in real life for whom they at least have some shred of respect who's yelling the same stuff at them that we all are right now......But unfortunately that may not be the case.