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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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46 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Definitely seems like the rule and the pattern. I'm just confused about how they "let Jill" go out and pursue the midwife thing - since that was before her liberation?

Well, I'm not sure she was getting paid, for one thing, although she may have been. It may well have just been pure helping out other faithful mamas thing, which we know is okay for them because we've all seen sister moms. 

I think what she was doing may be on the far, fading edge of acceptability, not quite into the "verboten" category. Because she only went into environments where there were probably no men even present at the event. And because everybody she worked with was a super-cuckoo-fundie just like them. So she wasn't going to be contaminated. And she wasn't taking a job away from a fundie man, and she certainly wasn't going to be any position where she might have given orders to a man.

So there was no danger she was going to be exposed to any other kinds of ideas and actually do the non-woman things that they hate. 

And, of course, this is a job that they do not want men doing. And they also generally don't want outsiders who may have different beliefs involved in their family lives either. So having women of the cult doing this is pretty much the only option. 

And then what she was really doing was observing childbirth -- and as you see they've used that supposed skill she developed (only not -- because she was 'learning" it from crazy people who didn't know anything, even though Jill didn't realize that) to help out the other women in their family. So it was a learning situation in which she brought home skills that they needed and they probably figured they could keep her busy with in later years -- with so much Duggar bithin to do -- so that she'd never go outside their homes after a while. 

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10 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

When I'm yelling here I'm yelling at them. I hope there's somebody in real life for whom they at least have some shred of respect who's yelling the same stuff at them that we all are right now......But unfortunately that may not be the case.

Agree.

5 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

And then what she was really doing was observing childbirth -

When still a dagger, she did say she was training to be become a professional midwife (it was Jana who was just doing the helper thing). She eventually did complete her certification (when she was married to Derick) (and that is certifiying professional midwife, but not nurse midwife which is the more reputable of the two credentials). but by that time she had the kids. 

I tend to agree that this particular job is probably okay in the gothard world because they are bringing in more babies.

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Absolom

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Jill completed the minimum to get the lay midwife certificate, but she never completed getting a state license.  She was a student midwife so would not have been paid.  Yes, fathers were present at the births.  Several were filmed for the show or shown on Venessa Giron's facebook page.  

She did begin studying to fulfill the SBC requirements for a missionary wife, but that dropped very quickly.  

As far as working, the Bates daughters and at least one daughter-in-law are operating their own clothing business.  Eventually they plan to have a store front. 

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doodlebug

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1 minute ago, Absolom said:

Jill completed the minimum to get the lay midwife certificate, but she never completed getting a state license.  She was a student midwife so would not have been paid.  Yes, fathers were present at the births.  Several were filmed for the show or shown on Venessa Giron's facebook page.  

She did begin studying to fulfill the SBC requirements for a missionary wife, but that dropped very quickly.  

As far as working, the Bates daughters and at least one daughter-in-law are operating their own clothing business.  Eventually they plan to have a store front. 

Gothard has always been ok with wives working from home at their own businesses to augment the family income.  There are a lot of them with Etsy stores or other online operations to make some extra dough.  He mainly railed against women working outside the home away from her husband's control.

And, yeah, Jill never even got to the point where she had a state license as a direct-entry midwife, so she was hardly prepared for an actual career.  Even if she and Derick had stayed in the fold, I don't think she would've worked outside the family and close Gothard contacts.  She also, being unlicensed, wouldn't be able to charge for her services or accept payment.  Not that that would've stopped her if Derick or JB wanted her to collect.

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GeeGolly

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Josh's court case is slated for July. Of course if he's out on bail his lawyers could request postponements to drag it out. It seems at this point the timing couldn't be worse for TLC. I think the last season of Counting On started in July of last year and I'm assuming that's the plan for this year.

So far they've distanced themselves from Josh, but if the trial is in full swing it might get messy.

Does anyone have any idea how long the trial may take? Even if the trial only lasts a week, they'll be a couple of days of prepublicity and a week or two of post publicity depending on the verdict.

If Counting On really is a money maker, TLC must be kicking themselves in the ass for allowing JB & M back on the show.

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ginger90

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3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Can somebody post whether Josh is released or not, here in this thread. And what his conditions are if he is released? I can't handle re-reading the absolutely awful charges over and over again.

Thanks in advance!

https://www.nwahomepage.com/northwest-arkansas-news/josh-duggar-granted-release-thursday-hefty-list-of-stipulations/

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20 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:

Given what came out today I will be very surprised if TLC keeps this show on the air.  

19kac: cancelled

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comin this fall, on TLC: Reaver House Repentence.  With only two days to a court supervised visitation of his children, can Josh completely re-decorate the house and cook a meal for 15 people?  Also, there’s rumors that Pirates buried gold in the backyard 500 years ago. You’ll have to tune in and watch 20 episodes to see Josh find nothing with millions of dollars in digging equipment. Oh, and don’t forget to watch the season finale, it’s just Anna crying for 2 1/2 hours. 

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WinnieWinkle

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One thing people keep talking about is how he's kind of gotten away with something by being allowed to live with the Rebers.  But I wonder - is their house as isolated as the Duggar compound?  For some reason I got the impression it isn't.  Add to that this means the media will have much easier access to watching every move that is made by people coming and going from that house.  Even if the feds aren't watching him (and I'm sure they are) the members of the media must be salivating at the chance to be the one who catches Josh making a McDonalds run, let alone making a run for it period.

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emmawoodhouse

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1 hour ago, WinnieWinkle said:

One thing people keep talking about is how he's kind of gotten away with something by being allowed to live with the Rebers.  But I wonder - is their house as isolated as the Duggar compound?  For some reason I got the impression it isn't.  Add to that this means the media will have much easier access to watching every move that is made by people coming and going from that house.  Even if the feds aren't watching him (and I'm sure they are) the members of the media must be salivating at the chance to be the one who catches Josh making a McDonalds run, let alone making a run for it period.

I got the impression that the Rebers have some acerage, so they may be a bit isolated. I think Smuggar is going to lose some weight. 

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Zella

Zella

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3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

It’s not. The house is in an area with many businesses. The lot is 0.24 acres. An example of that (not knowing the shape of that lot) could be a lot size of 85 x 121.

That's interesting! I looked at their property records since I didn't have enough info for voter. I'd read on the reddit summary that the wife said they lived on about 10 acres, so I'd assumed the Goshen house was where they lived since it was the only property of that size, especially since they also had a Goshen PO box. 

Is this other house in actual Springdale or Fayetteville?

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GeeGolly

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4 minutes ago, Zella said:

That's interesting! I looked at their property records since I didn't have enough info for voter. I'd read on the reddit summary that the wife said they lived on about 10 acres, so I'd assumed the Goshen house was where they lived since it was the only property of that size, especially since they also had a Goshen PO box. 

Is this other house in actual Springdale or Fayetteville?

This has me soooooo curious. I don't think they live at the current address shown in Fayetteville, as the house is a tiny ranch and looks nothing like the picture of the home that was published in an article.

If they do live in Goshen, when did they move? And who did they buy the house from? Like was this moved planned? With the help of JB?

It seems they've lived in quite a few houses since they moved from the WA area 15 years ago.

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Zella

Zella

3 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

This has me soooooo curious. I don't think they live at the current address shown in Fayetteville, as the house is a tiny ranch and looks nothing like the picture of the home that was published in an article.

If they do live in Goshen, when did they move? And who did they buy the house from? Like was this moved planned? With the help of JB?

It seems they've lived in quite a few houses since they moved from the WA area 15 years ago.

The Goshen house was purchased by them in 2005, so that tracks. The other property they owned was purchased more recently, like 2018 and 2020, I think. I can sleuth more when I'm on my laptop! 

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Zella

Zella

2 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Fayetteville.

 

Thanks! I was poking around the real estate records, and it looks like they have an Elkins property, a Fayetteville property, and a Goshen property. The Goshen property is the most sizeable (both building size and acreage-wise. 

I wish I had a birthdate for one of them, so I could check to see where they are actually registered to vote on the state's website. Not that that has always helped with the Duggars since they don't always live where they are registered. LOL

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Minivanessa

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3 minutes ago, Zella said:

I was able to access their voter registration records on the state website, and they are registered at the Goshen address. It has an Elkins zipcode, but the actual location is nowhere near Elkins, but I think that may be the source of some of the confusion. 

Is that the large house on a large lot? 

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Zella

Zella

1 minute ago, WinnieWinkle said:

Man do I live in the wrong place!  How does a family on one income (presumably not affluent people)  afford 3 properties?  

Arkansas property prices can be pretty low. I have a friend who lives in Oakland, and I still have residual trauma from when she told me about real estate prices where she was. LOL 

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Since this is the media thread, I would like to share today's video from Fundie Fridays. 

Jen Talks About TLC

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Hi, I'm Jen, I am fascinated by the world of Christian Fundamentalism. On my channel I talk about different topics while doing my makeup poorly. Disclaimer: I am an atheist and the opinions expressed on my channel are my own.

 

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Churchhoney

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I made Mp3s of the two podcasts/youtubes by the reddit AMA guy who knew the Duggars, including Josh. Been listening when I had some time over the past couple days and finished the whole three-plus hours.

They're called "I pray you put this journal away," and he bases them off reading a journal he kept back in the 2004-2007 era when his family when to the Duggar home church. 

He (and his wife, who doesn't know any Duggars) are campaigning against media's whitewash of Duggar-type extreme views -- I guess I'd call them patriarchal fundamentalism.

He describes this patriarchy as -- "It's a machine powered by trauma that spits out power for a very exclusive group." And the exclusive group here is the patriarchs == "the dads" he said. "People building nice systems that get them what they want, at other people's expense." THe other people being the women and children. Yikes. 

He said  DUggars always saw Josh as a person with a very big destiny for God and who's therefore been attacked by Satan all his life, so the leghumpers who are writing that on the Duggar's official media are certainly in tune with the family's early messages, at least, whether or not they would say exactly that now or not. 

Interesting stuff including how he perceived the Duggars when he was a teenager -- interesting to me to hear the Duggar language coming from another person who's left their brand of religion and to hear somebody's perceptions of the family's operations from up close.

He's between Josh and Jana & John David in age and had a major teen crush on Jana, which he wrote about in his journal. He's on the spectrum but didn't know it as a kid, when I guess he was always characterized as too loud and clumsy with people. a bit rebellious. And he says he knew that characterization and felt that Jana would be a good balancing element to him -- because she hardly said a word and when she did it was hardly above a whisper. I think his family must have left the Duggar orbit before he got up the nerve to try to make actual friends with her, though. 

He and his wife are both very committed to speaking out against media whitewash of the patriarchy stuff. Their view is that having the Duggars or other people with similar extreme views on tv shows that portray them as normal or harmless or funny or fun is doing damage.... "The least that can be done in this situation is TLC can fucking put the microphone down" is the way he put it. 

Well worth a listen, I think, especially if, like me, you're not a native speaker of patriarchal fundie yourself. Not speculation but recollection and reflection with inside experience. 

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