S05.E17: Forgive & Forget

[qtpye]

The funny thing is that Tyler need Cate more then she needs him.  If Cate had dumped Tyler and moved on with her life with the Mtv money, where the hell would he be? 

 

You can tell that he has all the power in that relationship.  He thinks he is such a catch because of Cate and all the social media girls, who think he is the perfect boyfriend/husband/father.

[lezlers]

 

Plus, she eats what Tyler wants and it's obvious, looking at Butch, that his metabolism allows him to eat crap without gaining weight.  Not true for Caitlyn, unfortunately.

WORD.  I sympathize with her.  My husband has a metabolism like Tyler and can eat all day every day without gaining an ounce.  I, on the other hand, have to meticulously track all of my calories and work out regularly in order to remain ONLY about 20 lbs overweight.  It's exhausting and supremely frustrating.   I'm sure her metabolism was much faster as a teenager (like most of us) and before children, as well. 

Also, did I hear Amber correctly when she went to drop off her gift, "HEY, BOOGER-BUTT!"  Booger butt?  What the heck kind of endearing nickname is THAT??

I may or may not have called my three year old son that a few times.  Rolls off the tongue.  :D

[Feline Queen]

Apparently Amber was wrong when she said Gary wouldn't bother watching the DVD to learn how to use the magic kit because Leah said she'd learned to make money disappear. 

 

I took offense to Matt referring to Leah as his stepdaughter because my ex-DIL refers to her new boyfriend as the 'parent' of my grandchildren - and he's not. Just because she's trying to squeeze my son out and replace him in their children's lives doesn't make it so. I hate when anyone does that. It's such a cliche. If Matt wants to play daddy, he has plenty of other choices.   He doesn't have to latch onto Leah.   

[guilfoyleatpp]

I'm glad Gary sent her with that stupid magic kit.  They were like "oh, how cute, she brought it."  Gary is probably thinking "THEY can watch the damn DVD and teach her magic tricks."

I think it's supremely douchey to give a child a toy that requires a great deal of adult interaction/supervision and then to tell the parent when and how they should play with the toy.  Eff you, I have enough to do with my kid (school work, dinner, books, bathing, etc) without having you dictate how we spend our time. Keep the damn toy at your house.  Maybe Leah can interact with the dvd while Amber sleeps in until 10:30. 

[lezlers]

I'm glad Gary sent her with that stupid magic kit.  They were like "oh, how cute, she brought it."  Gary is probably thinking "THEY can watch the damn DVD and teach her magic tricks."

I think it's supremely douchey to give a child a toy that requires a great deal of adult interaction/supervision and then to tell the parent when and how they should play with the toy.  Eff you, I have enough to do with my kid (school work, dinner, books, bathing, etc) without having you dictate how we spend our time. Keep the damn toy at your house.  Maybe Leah can interact with the dvd while Amber sleeps in until 10:30. 

 

Right?  That was so weird to me.  She's at your house every other weekend.  Don't you have any toys there for her to play with?  Do you think maybe that would get her more excited to come stay with you??

[ivgotspirit02]

She said both actually. At first she called Debra a freak, but then pointed the wand and said she was a frog.

I stand corrected. I must have tuned that part out.

[fliptopbox]

It is insane!  Three people speaking EXCLUSIVELY in baby-talk.  I want to rip my ears off.  What is wrong with them?  And calling a six/seven year old "baby goo??"  It is weird and gross.  Good lord.

 

Ok I have to say it. Every time I hear Deborah call Sophia Baby Goo I want to puke because to me, "baby goo" is synonymous with ejaculate. Gives me the creeps every single time I hear it and it's a pretty disgusting nickname for a grandkid...even one as horrid as Mowgli. I'm surprised that Farrah hasn't gotten all super offended and demanded Deborah come up with a cuter nickname for her special snowflake..

Edited February 10, 2016 by fliptopbox

[gunderda]

I will not feel bad for Ryan.... I will not feel bad for Ryan... I WILL NOT FEEL BAD FOR RYAN......  but ugh... I felt a tiny bit bad for him when he showed up in full blown custom.  But then I just have to remember that his mom asked where he was an he ignored her.  He was probably screwing his secret girlfriend.

 

Catelynn: "She can stay home if I leave her?"  Passive-aggressive request to Tyler to watch their damn kid so she can go get her antidepressant refill.

I did kind of laugh when Tyler said "well yea... she lives here" 

 

Farrah was clearly trying to pick a fight with Debra when she called from the UK. I mean who calls internationally to talk about the water bill. And then to accuse the person who is caring for your child while you are away of excessive water use was just over the top. And what the hell was Debra wearing in the driveway. Eye bleach please!!

 

God help me for defending Farrah... but if I left my house for a month and saw my water bill go from $100 to $400 I would probably be calling and be all WTF ARE YOU DOING!?!   I was more irritated how Debra blew it off like it was no big deal and her all "oh that's too bad" 

 

 

So did that say they that Amber wasn't allowed to attend Gary's bday party for Leah?  Cause that's crap if that's true. 

But She can stop with the "I can't spend her bday with her because it's not my day" because she made that bed and needs to lie in it.  Gary didn't ruin that relationship, Gary didn't force her to do drugs, Gary didn't abuse himself.  Lots of dads don't get to spend special occasions with their children because of custody arrangements and lots of times they aren't shitheads.  It happens, suck it up.

[charmed1]

When Ryan was in full skeleton make up, he was holding a bowl of chili or stew or something and the steam rising from it made it look like he was a ghoul concocting some devilish potion from a cauldron. Maybe some more chewing tobacco.

Emileeee looks exactly like her mother.

I can't say it enough, Matt looks so nasty and filthy. Take a bath! On the rare occasion that he gets up from the sofa, I keep expecting a lingering sweat stain.

I feel like we've done the Leah birthday party storyline every season.

Farrah looked so scary on FaceTime. Like a melted muppet. Wherever she was, I bet she fake cried after getting off the phone with Sophia because she "missed her so much."

And WTF at asking Sophia who she wants to sit next to. Sophia is a child. Tell her to go sit her ass down somewhere.

Edited February 10, 2016 by charmed1

[poopchute]

I don't understand how she even got a water bill. She was gone for 4 weeks so what period was the bill for? Did she have her mail forwarded to the UK? That seems like an incredibly fast turn around for a water bill. Mine comes quarterly but even if it came monthly how could it be arriving for the month Deborah was living there while she was still there?

[CofCinci]

I don't understand how she even got a water bill. She was gone for 4 weeks so what period was the bill for? Did she have her mail forwarded to the UK? That seems like an incredibly fast turn around for a water bill. Mine comes quarterly but even if it came monthly how could it be arriving for the month Deborah was living there while she was still there?

Her water may come bundled with her monthly HOA?  Farrah seems like the type who checks her bank account/bills/budget each day as she asks herself, "How many rubber vaginas do I have to sell this month to keep the lights on?"

Edited February 10, 2016 by CofCinci

[Lexie]

I can't believe that after ambers boyfriend went on his soapbox about how his past mistakes were because of drugs but Gary is a terrible person today nobody pointed out that he hasn't done a ducking thing today for his 8 to 10 kids out there. Or however many there are. I thought Amber had really changed but she is not making herself look like a good parent right now in my opinion. That guy is creepy weird and shady and I don't blame Gary one bit for pointing out facts since his daughter is under this guys care while mommy lays in bed all morning. She won't leave him ever for any reason. He's going to ride that gravy until she has no more money and things are going to get weird.

Edited February 10, 2016 by Lexie

[WhosThatGirl]

I think that Gary didn't have a party for Leah this year.. I think, I could be wrong. Maybe, Gary wanted to avoid all the drama going on and knew that if he had one and didn't extend the invite to Amber and Matt, it would be good and if he did, things would happen?  And it was nice for Amber to get her a present and want to see her on her birthday but she should have saved the present for when she would see her. Yeah, it's not ideal but giving the present when its late at night and knowing its a present a kid is going to want to play with right away..whatever. Also did anyone catch when Leah said she learned how to make money disappear and Matt said, "your mother does that everyday" WTF? You aren't funny, Matt. Like, not at all. What exactly are you doing with money everyday, Matt? 

 

I was sad last nights episode wasn't the one where the producer gave Farrah hell. I was waiting for that. He's a little late but I'll take anyone calling her on her BS and at any point. Except when it's Maci because.. well, Maci hardly had a leg to stand on last season but producers of this show? They have more than enough legs. 

[SnarkKitty]

I hate to defend The Troll but I'm pretty sure she said "you're a frog!", like she was turning her into a frog, not a freak. That explains the ribbiting and frog faces.

 

No worries! We're both right. I watched that scene again - Debra is touching stuff talking about wearing Baby Goo's dress, and picks up the wand. Mowglita snatches it back and says "That's mine, freak!" and then bonks her on the head and says "you're a frog." 

 

Re: Catelynn's weight - I'm not one who has commented on it, but yes, yes you can just jump up and do it, you just have to want to - she just doesn't want to. She's like, 23. People are acting like she's middle aged and her metabolism has shut down already. These are the years she should be getting this thing under control, because it's not going to get any easier, and it's going to hurt more, and do more damage to the rest of her body the older she gets. You can't eat what Tyler eats? Boo-frickin-hoo. Adjust. You're home all day, no reason you can't workout and make a nutritious meal. Google that shit. Lord knows you don't have your kid for "weeks" according to your new(est) step-daddy.  Now this latest reason, anxiety doesn't mean you can't work out. In fact you should, it'll help. 

Edited February 10, 2016 by SnarkKitty

[lilmarysunshine]

My 11 year old was in the room while I was watching and he said, about Catelynn, "She doesn't look like a teenager." I told him she's not anymore and asked how old she looked. He said in her 30s.

[missy jo]

Leah's birthday was another example of Amber only being able to focus on her own wants and needs.

"It's Leah's birthday and I'm really sad I can't spend the day with her." So this is totally about Amber's feelings and not Leah's.

"It just sucks that her birthday fell on a day that's HIS. I just wanna cry. I just wanted a birthday party this year. I just wish we could take her home."

Second verse, same as the first. Amber is whiny, needy and feeling sorry for herself, and again doesn't say how it might be bad for Leah. (Because it wasn't.)

Then it turns out the pity party was totally unnecessary, because they did Leah's birthday party the next day!

Parents are actually supposed to prioritize their children's feelings over their own, and I haven't seen Amber doing that.

[Cosmocrush]

 

Yes, a whole lot of these moms site anxiety as a problem, but with Cate, I believe it. I cried, CRIED! a little during her counseling session because I truly and deeply feel her pain. The same thing happened to me. One day - BAM - anxiety. Out of nowhere. Completely functioning, super smart and driven. One day I just stopped being able to breathe and everything just rolled downhill. 

 

That was exactly my experience as well.   I didn't even have a name for it - the feeling was so foreign to me.   Also, a panic attack is not the same as an anxiety attack. They sound the same and people often have both [a panic attack can create severe anxiety for example] but it's not the same thing. 

 

The production can also stop with the pretense that they are an educational show warning teens against pregnancy.  At this point, they are just another trashy reality show.

Totally agree.  In the beginning I watched this (and these four girls 16 & Pregnant) with my then middle school age niece as some sort of warning of what could happen.  But she quit watching a long time ago and I'm still here.  

 

Farrah looks like a real-like Bratz doll. It's so disturbing to look at her plastic face. Does she really think it looks GOOD?

That's it!  I couldn't figure out who Farrah looked like when she was talking to Deborah on the phone.  Those trashy Bratz dolls.  People, especially not young women, are not supposed to look like that on days that are not Halloween.  

 

Sofia, the only second grader in eye makeup is of course going to be defended by the only Grandma in a belly shirt thing and pleather pants.  How long until Baby Goo has to be home schooled because no school will take her?   Oh well, when I heard she was six I was thinking, "Only ten more years until Farrah is a grandma herself and Sophia is demanding a new car and telling her mother to shut up."   I think Deborah will laugh and laugh. 

 

 

 

Debra is definitely on some serious antidepressants or antianxiety meds or something.  The old Debra would not just sit there smiling and take everything Farrah dishes out.  She used to give it to her right back.  Now it's like she's floating in happiness, without a care in the world.   

Right?  I want some of what she has!    And that water bill discussion was ridiculous.  I'm with Deborah not caring.  If Farrah had to pay a babysitter to stay with Sofia for four frickin weeks or even just a housesitter,  it would cost her a hell of a lot more than an extra $300.

 

I'm glad Gary sent her with that stupid magic kit.  They were like "oh, how cute, she brought it."  Gary is probably thinking "THEY can watch the damn DVD and teach her magic tricks."

I think it's supremely douchey to give a child a toy that requires a great deal of adult interaction/supervision and then to tell the parent when and how they should play with the toy.  Eff you, I have enough to do with my kid (school work, dinner, books, bathing, etc) without having you dictate how we spend our time. Keep the damn toy at your house.  Maybe Leah can interact with the dvd while Amber sleeps in until 10:30. 

I noticed that too!  That's the kind of gift someone without kids buys your kid.  Then when Leah brought it with her in the limo (she didn't know about the surprise magic show, just that she was going to Amber's house for the weekend) Amber said, "Why did you bring your magic set?"   Kristina's not so dumb; let Amber play magic set with her.  

 

Gary is no prize and he loves to push Amber's buttons but he was smart enough to find a [seemingly] decent woman to help care for Leah (at least when his mom is at work) and  I don't blame him at all for not wanting Leah around Amber as long as Matt is glued to her side checkbook.   I would not want that guy anywhere near my child. 

Edited February 10, 2016 by Cosmocrush

[lidarose9]

Farrah sitting at that table with her parents and Sophia to me felt like that Twilight Zone episode with the little boy who controls his family with his mind and they're all absolutely terrified of him. What exactly is it that Farrah has that turns her parents into blithering idiots? OK obviously her mother is a total fame whore but what's the deal with an otherwise-normal-seeming "Michael"? It's like she's an evil witch who can do magic on them at any moment if she is displeased, so they all sit up straight and try so hard to keep her happy. What a dynamic to pass on to a child.

[lidarose9]

Really Debra seems to have regressed to a kind of high-school mentality, wearing funky clothes and showing off her bod, dissing the teacher, using the cool slang, rolling her eyes when accused of being irresponsible around the house... Is she 14?

[lidarose9]

Sorry, just getting caught up. So what do you suppose is the deal with water? Was Debra running a carwash in Farrah's driveway without telling her? There was some issue with water in an earlier episode where Farrah was grilling her mother about not using so much water. There must be a story behind this.

 

I was thinking about what the world must look like to Sophia. Imagine if that was your reality. She has no friends, no siblings or cousins or neighborhood kids to play with. She spends all of her time trailing around behind her porn star drama queen mother, alternately ignored and neglected, then put in a princess costume and worshipped. She's indulged and made to believe she is special. I agree with whoever said upthread, she will soon be taken out of school due to her horrible social skills, and Farrah will pay someone to homeschool her. Sophia could grow up to be a female Ted Bundy. Really. 

 

I burst out laughing at the limo for Leah's birthday. And Leah's reaction was rather cool as well -- she was doing the 7-year-old equivalent of SMH. Really. How pathetic is that. Amber is so desperate to compete with Gary, to one-up him on the birthday scorecard... To Amber, the best thing she could give her daughter was something that SHE thinks is impressive or cool - not what LEAH would think was cool... It was extravagant and ridiculous. Like that's all you can do is throw money at her. Leah wants a magic kit because it's INTERACTIVE -- More than anything, Leah wants to interact. She wants attention. Not limos. 

[NikSac]

I must say Leah's magic kit made me smile because that was one of my favorite toys as a kid. That and the science sets. I'm glad she liked it enough to bring it with her even if it was mostly Gary and Kristina trying to get it out of the house.

[charmed1]

Really Debra seems to have regressed to a kind of high-school mentality, wearing funky clothes and showing off her bod, dissing the teacher, using the cool slang, rolling her eyes when accused of being irresponsible around the house... Is she 14?

You may be on to something. Maybe Deborah and Farrah both touched an ancient artifact and screamed "I wish you were me!" at the same time.

I'm loving li'l Leah's new bath robe. That was a cute gift from grandma.

Bentley and Ryan remind me of Andy Samberg and Adam Sandler in "That's My Boy."

[CofCinci]

Farrah needs to look across that restaurant table very closely at her parents. That will be her in 20 years. Broke, transient, dependent and abused by her monster daughter. I want to believe her behavior is all an act for television because she recognizes that is what sells. She would not be cast for Celebrity Big Brother UK without being a dramatic mess (and boy did she delivery for them - Janice Dickenson threw a chair at her). Even if she is this character on camera, what she's allowing her daughter to do off camera is disgusting. Schools have rules for a reason. Wearing make up may seem harmless but it's not. They're teaching her that rules don't apply to her.

[Firebird]

 

I also see that as directly related to her weight.  Sure, it seems like she is just lazy and not willing to put the pizza down and go for a walk.  However, one of her coping mechanisms IMO for dealing with all the issues and stress in her life is to self comfort with food.  A good therapist would look at her anxiety, depression, weight and eating behaviors and connect the dots.

 

Agree. It's all related. In my case, I lost a bunch of weight because the only thing that made me feel better when I was anxious or actually having a panic attack was to make myself barf. As soon as I let my doctor in on that she made the super quick association between my current anxiety issues / purging, and the fact that I was binge eating and purging through my parents divorce when I was a teen (part of my patient work up). It made perfect sense - it was my comfort and control mechanism.

 

The not getting up and going for a walk thing - it's hard to pull yourself up out of a hole when it's so much easier to drown in it. It takes serious work to get there. I wish she had a more appropriate counselor. Shit... I wish she had the benefit of my OWN mother to talk with - nobody there is supporting her.

 

The other thing? I couldn't even imagine the stress of a reality tv crew following my ass around during my episodes. I'm not sure I would have survived. And Tyler is THE WORST. Literally the worst thing you can do to an anxiety ridden person is to constantly ask them about it, as if they are ruing your day - because that, in itself is a YUGE trigger - being worried about the people around you thinking you're "crazy" or worrying about ruining their day. He can just get right the fuck on out of here with that bullshit.

[AmyFarrahFowler]

I truly believe Matt's intentions are to marry Amber, milk her reality fame for a couple years, and divorce her for that sweet alimony money. He's Kevin Federline reincarnated.

Not before he gets her pregnant at least once. I get the impression that Matt is going to try to latch on and not let go until a better (in his mind) situation presents itself.

[WhosThatGirl]

The other thing? I couldn't even imagine the stress of a reality tv crew following my ass around during my episodes. I'm not sure I would have survived. And Tyler is THE WORST. Literally the worst thing you can do to an anxiety ridden person is to constantly ask them about it, as if they are ruing your day - because that, in itself is a YUGE trigger - being worried about the people around you thinking you're "crazy" or worrying about ruining their day. He can just get right the fuck on out of here with that bullshit.

 

THIS! Tyler sucks. I love when he gives advice to Cate that isn't helpful, when Cate said she might have to be on medication for her whole life and Tyler was like, "DON'T SAY THAT! If you say that, it will be true" uh, what? Sorry, Dr. Tyler, but Catelynn may have to be on meds for her whole entire life and there is nothing wrong with that if they make her feel better. Seriously.. Tyler needs to shut the hell up. When he talked about how she needed to eat better last season and he can go and stuff his face with like ten cheeseburgers, take like a whole bunch of seats, Tyler. You are not a doctor. 

[FairyDusted]

So ... clicking on that link led me down (too many) hours of YouTube rabbit hole, watching the Dr. Phil vs Farrah interview clips, then James Deen, then back to CBB. And after a night of curdling rage building in my chest after listening to this hosebeast with the foul mouth yell over everyone, I wanted nothing more than to catch her going into a public bathroom (no cameras in there), locking the door, taking her money and phone away then giving her a good swirly. She'd be stuck and I'd head straight out of town never to be prosecuted (yeah ... I thought about it way too much). But then, as YouTube will, it offered me some other videos. And rather than get my hands dirty, I'm just going to make a vision board so Farrah's next reality show puts her in a house with Tiffany Pollard. I'm mad now that she and Debra were kicked off the Family Therapy show, now that I know Tiffany and Mother Pollard are on it. I would love to see them go at it. If anyone can crack that little witch and beat her at her own "act psycho then laugh it off" game it's Ms. New York.

 

***Oh Honey I was clicking all night with ya! Between these girls and Bravo Bitches I was on fire reading up and clicking away! ***

 

 

I'm REALLY starting to believe that maybe Farrah CAN wish them into the cornfield. There's no other explanation for the fear and fawning. Money? Clearly they can make some and they still have some with those houses. Sophia? Won't nobody want that demon child for long, Farrah will come crawling back to them. Now fame ... THAT they can't have without that nightmare. And they seem willing to sell their souls to the devil (Farrah) to keep that.

 

That child is going to catch hell in a very short amount of time, going to school with that attitude and make-up. Peer pressure is going to kick in in just a couple of years, and they're going to fuck her whole world up if she keeps being Baby Farrah. 'Cause nobody is putting up with Baby Goo's shit outside that house.

 

***What really grossed me out way Deb almost bragging to her bitch daughter about what she told the school. She was really aching for validation. Really feeling herself there. What a strange thing to be proud of but let's look at the line up……Yeah. Debs outfit ….Well, I can see changing it up post divorce and whatever. Not even age thing with me. I'm looking at 50 but I'll be damned if I'm going conform to anyone else's standard BUT, that wasn't a great choice. For anyone really, ***

 

Ryan creeped me the fuck out talking to Bentley with that face full of make-up. He also seemed high as fuck. There was so much unsaid in that scene, whenever Jen and Larry are with him what's not being said is almost palpable. I like that whenever he tried to put it on Maci, they diplomatically pulled it back because Bentley was sitting there. I have to say, he's probably the sweetest of all the Teen kids, at least on TV. And not at all bratty.

 

***Bintley is a great kid. Maci is really lucky to have Jen and Larry to love and care for both her children. They just seem like 'Good People" to me. Pfft…How they wound up with the great yawner Ryan mystifies me. He is pretty though. Even with his gray hair.***

 

Funny how Matt didn't even seem very upset about it coming up, just used it to rile up Amber. He knows the drill - he was sitting there thinking "yeah! For sure I'll be back now, got me a storyline, I'll get some interviews out of it and I know Dr. Drew will want to talk to me about this! I won't even have to wait for Amber to run off stage to get some air time!"

 

***I can't even with this one anymore.** 

 

 

If she can't afford that house and lifestyle she has in Texas, she sure as SHIT won't be able to afford a house and lifestyle in LA. Maybe a condo.

 

 

You bet. Pretty sure she will have to work her way through the states. 

 

That was exactly my experience as well.   I didn't even have a name for it - the feeling was so foreign to me.   Also, a panic attack is not the same as an anxiety attack. They sound the same and people often have both [a panic attack can create severe anxiety for example] but it's not the same thing. 

 

***Just my experience but I have low grade anxiety nearly every day. I only have a full blown panic attack a few times a year. The worst of it lasts 15 minutes. But I feels like forever and a really bad scene. ***   

 

Totally agree.  In the beginning I watched this (and these four girls 16 & Pregnant) with my then middle school age niece as some sort of warning of what could happen.  But she quit watching a long time ago and I'm still here.  

 

That's it!  I couldn't figure out who Farrah looked like when she was talking to Deborah on the phone.  Those trashy Bratz dolls.  People, especially not young women, are not supposed to look like that on days that are not Halloween.  

 

Sofia, the only second grader in eye makeup is of course going to be defended by the only Grandma in a belly shirt thing and pleather pants.  How long until Baby Goo has to be home schooled because no school will take her?   Oh well, when I heard she was six I was thinking, "Only ten more years until Farrah is a grandma herself and Sophia is demanding a new car and telling her mother to shut up."   I think Deborah will laugh and laugh. 

 

***That's what I need to read about!  ***

 

 

Right?  I want some of what she has!    And that water bill discussion was ridiculous.  I'm with Deborah not caring.  If Farrah had to pay a babysitter to stay with Sofia for four frickin weeks or even just a housesitter,  it would cost her a hell of a lot more than an extra $300.

 

***Really! I emptied and refilled my pool and hot tub a time or two this past season. Maybe 50 bucks. She could wash every curtain and towel in the house and not hit that marks. They have alerts from the water company now?? ***

 

I noticed that too!  That's the kind of gift someone without kids buys your kid.  Then when Leah brought it with her in the limo (she didn't know about the surprise magic show, just that she was going to Amber's house for the weekend) Amber said, "Why did you bring your magic set?"   Kristina's not so dumb; let Amber play magic set with her.  

 

Gary is no prize and he loves to push Amber's buttons but he was smart enough to find a [seemingly] decent woman to help care for Leah (at least when his mom is at work) and  I don't blame him at all for not wanting Leah around Amber as long as Matt is glued to her side checkbook.   I would not want that guy anywhere near my child. 

   Sorry to quote the posts in their glorious entirety. But I must marry them now. And Oh……… I'm totally disappointed that "The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" didn't give us the 4 minutes of her trying to talk her way in. Did JillyZ coach her from the bushes? 

 

 

ETA: I'm soooo sorry my responces are inside the quoted posts and I can't fix it! Dang! SORRY! ***

Edited February 10, 2016 by FairyDusted

[charmed1]

I do feel some empathy for Sophia: Spawn of Smeagol. She's the only kid on either franchise who is an only child (unless you count Novalee). I was an awkward only child too. Most of my interactions were with adults and I read a lot, which gave me a pretty big vocabulary at a young age. And ok, full disclosure, I gave my pets strange foreign accents and acted as their ventriloquists (and yeah, my cat now has the accent of a recent Haitian immigrant to the US South). That can come off as weird to other kids. But that's where our similarities end! Sophia is even weirder than I was and my hair was always combed. And I would never dream of speaking to or about my grandparents the way she does. Nor would I get away with snatching anything from anyone let alone a grandparent. I can just see Sophia three years from now, backstage on Maury's "Out of Control Kids" episode with her tank top tied above her navel and a cigarette in hand. "My name is Sophia! Yeah Maury, I smoke, I cuss, and if my mama tells me to stop, I slap her in her dumb face!" Followed by Farrah's dry cry and tough talking D.West.

[ava111]

Good Lord, Sophia is already too obsessed with body image. She tells Deborah not to make her "look fat"?? She's wearing makeup to school and Deborah is there to make sure the school understands that this is acceptable, because they live a different lifestyle?? Give me a fucking break. Sophia is going to be an even bigger mess than Farrah, I'm sure of it. She is super entitled. I bet any little thing she gets in trouble about at school is excused and explained and fought to the death over."We have a rule against bringing knives to school" - "Sorry, that's just how we roll." I wonder how old she'll be when she gets her first plastic surgery? Twelve?

 

Debora and Michael are the biggest sycophants that ever walked the face of the earth. Farrah puts them through the ringer about watching her little demon child, but they're tripping all over themselves to welcome her home, complete with a giant, gaudy wreath. They are absolutely terrified to upset her or her Baby Goo. While Farrah was gone, she said that she was hoping her parents weren't driving Sophia too crazy. I love my kids, and they're pretty well behaved most of the time, but the few times I've left them with someone for an extended period of time (2 nights for my boys, my daughter hasn't been left overnight yet), I'm more worried about my kids driving their Nannie crazy!!! But Baby Goo can do no wrong. 

 

Also, what is with Farrah's obsession about the water bill????

 

 

 

 

I'm really not buying how nervous Cate was to leave Nova with her Mom for a week, this isn't much different than the current arrangement - well, except you'll be thousands of miles away. I think that's downright crazy. I'd leave the baby with Kim for a week, but not April. And I'd be damned if I let Butch alone in my house for that long. They'll come back and find another family living there and Butch on the run with the money. 

 

But I'm not doubting that the girl has some depression and anxiety going on. I think she seriously lacks motivation, is stuck in a rut, and would be greatly improved by working and going to school and having a life. I think she's afraid to not be with Tyler every minute of the day, and that might be partly why she hasn't done any of those things. Also, I think he is a big cause of anxiety. I think he makes her feel like her anxiety is a real burden to him, and just bringing it up causes her even MORE anxiety. I hated when he said, "We don't need any anxiety attacks in Hawaii". WE??? I hate that fucking condescending crap. If you truly want to be a "we", how about being supportive of her and asking what YOU could do to help her feel more relaxed while on vacation. 

 

Those two just have no communication skills with each other. It's just a series of passive aggressive bullshit. Catelynn may act like he's stepping up, but she's still scared to ask for help. And now Tyler is trying to pawn off his shirking the daddy role on the claim that he wants Cate to experience what she missed with Carly. Hahahahahaha. Nice try, but no. YOU missed all that with Carly too, so step in and change a diaper, asshole. 

 

 

 

Big shocker. Ryan missed Halloween. I'm with Maci - WHAT is he doing, that he always misses everything??? It's one thing when he's at home, we guess he's probably sleeping. But we know he was out and about. What the hell does he do with his day that he can't be better prepared for things?? Who goes to the Halloween store at the last minute on Halloween night? Ryan, that's who. Also, his face - they don't do your makeup at the Halloween store, do they? Somebody was painting him up, and I'd wager it was a girl he was too busy boning to realize that he was missing his son's trick-or-treating. Maybe Taylor is onto something and he really DOES have a second family. 

 

I just hated how he acted when he showed up at home - blaming Maci for "rushing" things, guilt tripping Bentley for not "waiting" for him. You're the fucking adult here, Ryan! This is no one's fault but yours. If you genuinely want to trick-or-treat with your son, get your shit together and be on time. Be the adult. When you're not throwing pumpkin guts at your kid, that is. 

 

I soooo loved Jenn and Bentley getting him back! Also, Bentley asking the camera guy to hold his lollipop - adorable. 

 

 

 

Matt and Amber can lose me with all their whining about this latest drama being on the show. "Matt didn't sign up for this". Oh, I'm pretty sure he did. Matt, honey, you've been stalking reality stars long enough to know how this works. Anything in your life is fair game, bubba. Also, I highly doubt he was "shocked" by all of those paternity filings. I don't believe he was just some drunk and/or junkie, sleeping around and not realizing that he's sowing his seed. I think he knew about each and every one of those kids and has been on the run, trying to evade his responsibilities. 

 

I thought it was REALLY nice of Kristina to text Amber after they left, and reassure her that Leah loved her present, and her. Very classy move. I also thought the limo surprise and magic show was really fun and sweet. Leah is a great kid and she deserved a nice birthday.

You hit every single point I wanted to make spot on so I won't repeat you. Just to add I absolutely abhor Matt, he was sitting there like ugly toad he is not even defending himself against the accusations, just trying to not to bring more attention to himself because he thought if he was quiet he wouldn't look like the piece of shit he is when the truth comes out. This way he can say it was Amber who didn't believe he has 7 or 8 (possibly more) kids as it was her who said that out of the 7 kids only maybe 2 are his. He knows perfectly well how many kids he abandoned but not saying anything on camera he can say he never denied having that many.

And was it especially pronounced this episode the way they talk to Sophia? I guess it was the excessive amount of "boring" grandma. The baby talk drove me extremely crazy even though I should be used to it by now.

How "lucky" Cait is to have such a attentive and considerate husband that "allows" her to catch up on all that care giving she missed when giving up their first child. UnFUCKINbelievable.

[Marisagf]

I missed the part with Sophia turning Debra into a frog. Was that shown on the after-show?

[gunderda]

I don't understand how she even got a water bill. She was gone for 4 weeks so what period was the bill for? Did she have her mail forwarded to the UK? That seems like an incredibly fast turn around for a water bill. Mine comes quarterly but even if it came monthly how could it be arriving for the month Deborah was living there while she was still there?

 

 

Her water may come bundled with her monthly HOA?  Farrah seems like the type who checks her bank account/bills/budget each day as she asks herself, "How many rubber vaginas do I have to sell this month to keep the lights on?"

My water bill comes to my email and it usually comes out not long after my last month bill was due.  So she probably saw it in her email.

 

Sorry, just getting caught up. So what do you suppose is the deal with water? Was Debra running a carwash in Farrah's driveway without telling her? There was some issue with water in an earlier episode where Farrah was grilling her mother about not using so much water. There must be a story behind this.

Deb said there was something wrong with the sprinklers so they had to get fixed.  Which I believe.  If those things were running long periods of time for a month then that would increase the bill a lot.

 

 

I missed the part with Sophia turning Debra into a frog. Was that shown on the after-show?

I think it was during the commercial break when they show little snippets of scenes

[ava111]

Matt is a repulsive loser.  Hopefully Amber will figure this out before she goes through with marrying this leech and having a child with him someday.  He is bad news.

 

Hmmm maybe Amber needs Matt so she can play victim in Season 7 of TM?

That's the only reason I can think of why she still didn't kick him out.

[Lastwaltz]

What a bunch of sorry people. My main observation was how much more talkative and 'real' Catelynn was with her counselor vs how she is with Tyler. She's in a perpetual adrenalin rush, waiting for Tyler to leave, and afraid to say anything controversial to him. The way she laughed a little shrilly when she said, "Of course you'll take care of her! You're her father!" spoke volumes to me. You could hear the stress and fear in her voice. When she was with the counselor, however, she was natural, easy to talk to, and articulate about her feelings. The poor kid -- I reamed her last week with her neglectful mothering, but this week I'm sympathetic. She's just too messed up to be angry at, and I want her to get out of this awful cycle of depression.

 

And antidepressants can certainly pack on the weight (oy, my daughter and I can both attest to that) but in my mind and my experience, depression, anxiety, and panic disorder are distinct. They often accompany each other, yes, but here's how I describe the differences:

-- Depression makes you feel empty, numb, depleted, and alone. Like there's a curtain between you and the world. You may know you're slipping but you get to the bottom of that well of despair pretty quickly. This is where Cate's apparent detachment from Nova may come into view. 

-- Anxiety makes you feel edgy, heart-pumping, unable-to-rest-or-sit-still, and it's relentless while it's happening. You feel like you can spin out of control at any moment.

-- Panic disorder is when you're certain you're about to die from a heart attack or stroke. It's anxiety on steroids and includes head-clanging and the worst fearfulness I've ever felt. But it doesn't last like anxiety or, certainly, depression. 

 

Anyway, I hope Catelynn gets the help she deserves. Of all of these characters, she's the one I worry about most. Somehow i feel that Amber will be okay in the end -- maybe because she's survived so much as it is. Maci was always going to be the more traditional one (and I like Taylor). 

 

Farrah and her troll family will also survive, but you all are so right in predicting that Sofia will be a maladjusted, maddeningly childish mean girl by the time she gets through first grade. 

[ghoulina]

On top of that, Farrah talks to her own daughter like she's a babysitter on the first day.  I've never seen anything like it.  She acts like she's never been around a child before with the way she speaks to Sophia.  She talks like a person who has never been around kids and who has no kids of her own.  Like she doesn't even know Sophia.  There is no connection there.

 

This is so true. She's always so weird with her own damn kid. That's why I think she's gone more than home, and Michael is basically raising that kid. 

[JayCutler]

Farrah was probably freaking out about the water bill because she had an inclination that the MTV staff was using her bathroom while she was gone.

[vmcd88]

I wish I could unsee Debra's belly shirt.  What the hell was up with Farrah's lips?  Damn she wears alot of makeup.  Noticed the baby Carly footprint tattoo on Caitlyn.  Will she be getting a Nova tattoo too?  I cant figure out how to quote a post (yes I'm that tech savy) so to whoever said Caitlyn needs to stop her consumption of human nails...hilarious.  

[Snarky McSnarky]

vmcd88, just click on the quotation mark in the lower right corner of the post you want to quote.  Then click on the black box that appears in the lower right corner of your screen when you are ready to use it in your next post.

[configdotsys]

Haven’t read the comments yet… can’t wait!

Farrah saying she has to find out if it’s okay with Sophia that they move to LA was the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Asking a 6 year old if they are okay with it? Please. She can wear make up whenever she wants? I feel for Sophia’s teachers. Heaven forbid they call home to report misbehavior. We can see how that’s gonna go. The girl is just off. She doesn’t speak properly and is demonic.

 

Amber saying “some of the kids are not his” about Matt was confusing. Why didn’t the producers or whoever say, “What’s the deal Matt? How many kids do you have? Can we look into this further?” I’m sorry but some of the nicknames used on this show make me seriously gag. Between those stupid names and the baby talk, I want to smash the TV.

 

Maci is boring as hell. Bentley is one of the cutest kids I have ever seen.

 

No interest in C&T’s trip to Hawaii. Snoozefest. There is zero spark between the two of them.

[Snarky McSnarky]

Farrah was probably freaking out about the water bill because she had an inclination that the MTV staff was using her bathroom while she was gone.

Ha Ha -- it would serve her right if someone from the camera crew "accidentally" turned the water on in a sink in an unused bathroom and let it run forever.  MTV should make her use a porta-potty on the street outside the studio next time she shows up for the taping of an after show or reunion show.

[AmyFarrahFowler]

Really Debra seems to have regressed to a kind of high-school mentality, wearing funky clothes and showing off her bod, dissing the teacher, using the cool slang, rolling her eyes when accused of being irresponsible around the house... Is she 14?

 

I wonder if she wears a "Pink Lady" satin jacket too. She seems to be too cool for school. Go Greased Lightning!

 

You may be on to something. Maybe Deborah and Farrah both touched an ancient artifact and screamed "I wish you were me!" at the same time.

I'm loving li'l Leah's new bath robe. That was a cute gift from grandma.

Bentley and Ryan remind me of Andy Samberg and Adam Sandler in "That's My Boy."

She looked very snugly. It was perfect.

 

 

I do feel some empathy for Sophia: Spawn of Smeagol. She's the only kid on either franchise who is an only child (unless you count Novalee). I was an awkward only child too. Most of my interactions were with adults and I read a lot, which gave me a pretty big vocabulary at a young age. And ok, full disclosure, I gave my pets strange foreign accents and acted as their ventriloquists (and yeah, my cat now has the accent of a recent Haitian immigrant to the US South). That can come off as weird to other kids. But that's where our similarities end! Sophia is even weirder than I was and my hair was always combed. And I would never dream of speaking to or about my grandparents the way she does. Nor would I get away with snatching anything from anyone let alone a grandparent. I can just see Sophia three years from now, backstage on Maury's "Out of Control Kids" episode with her tank top tied above her navel and a cigarette in hand. "My name is Sophia! Yeah Maury, I smoke, I cuss, and if my mama tells me to stop, I slap her in her dumb face!" Followed by Farrah's dry cry and tough talking D.West.

I am an only child too. Unfortunately I didn't posses your great imagination. My cat has a little girl accent. Oops. I guess I better move in with the Wicked Witch of the West and start calling her Troll Doll "Baby Goo".

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Ok I have to say it. Every time I hear Deborah call Sophia Baby Goo I want to puke because to me, "baby goo" is synonymous with ejaculate. Gives me the creeps every single time I hear it and it's a pretty disgusting nickname for a grandkid...even one as horrid as Mowgli. I'm surprised that Farrah hasn't gotten all super offended and demanded Deborah come up with a cuter nickname for her special snowflake..

I can't agree enough with what you've said here about what "baby goo" makes me think of....

And after I had a baby last fall, it also makes me think about the assorted "goos" of pregnancy and birth. If those of you ladies who have given birth saw part of your mucus plug when you lost it, you know what I'm talking about.

Eww. PLEASE stop calling Sophia that.

Edited February 11, 2016 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[leighroda]

I can't agree enough with what you've said here about what "baby goo" makes me think of....

And after I had a baby last fall, it also makes me think about the assorted "goos" of pregnancy and birth. If those of you ladies who have given birth saw part of your mucus plug when you lost it, you know what I'm talking about.

Eww. PLEASE stop calling Sophia that.

Welp, there goes dinner... lol. I'm kidding.

I said it in Farrah's thread I think but my guess is that the port-a-potties are a way to make sure the neighborhood knows she is filming.

[Farmfam]

Anyone want to take one for the team and rewatch a Farrah scene? (I know....) when she was asking her child if she wants to move, the next scene is a shot of the outside of her home. I thought I saw one of those plastic information holders in her yard, those things that houses already for sale have?!? Sooo...was her house already for sale and she was pretending to ask Sophia? What's the deal?

[CofCinci]

Anyone want to take one for the team and rewatch a Farrah scene? (I know....) when she was asking her child if she wants to move, the next scene is a shot of the outside of her home. I thought I saw one of those plastic information holders in her yard, those things that houses already for sale have?!? Sooo...was her house already for sale and she was pretending to ask Sophia? What's the deal?

Her home has been on the market since Nov. 2014.  In October 2015, the price was reduced from $750K to $650K, which would have been when Sophia's scene was filmed.  Farrah purchased the house for $568K in 2013.

[Farmfam]

Thanks! So either that whole phone call was a joke or she was asking permission to move to LA, not to move in general.

[toodywoody]

Hey Matt, stfu about Amber and Gary should be able to do Leah's birthday together. Take about a million seats because you haven't raised your kids at all. When you have been a part of your kids lives then you can say shit like that.

Tyler stfu about Cate's anxiety attacks on vacation. Cate clearly was uncomfortable and just shut down when he brought it up.

Good lord someone brush Mowgli's hair. And Farrah needs to stfu around Mowgli about not liking Debra. Keep that shit to yourself because it is clearly giving Mowgli an attitude towards Debra.

[butterbody]

I swear, y'all, its getting to the point where I can't even watch this show without thinking about this board. When Deborah emerged in her pleather pants and tuxedo tailed belly shirt, I thought that was it, but she could not stop there, what with the fringed leather jacket. And Michael, having just spent a month with her, does not have a single fuck left. No matter what she says, he reacts to her the same way Farrah does. Baby Goop looks like Farrah's personality.

Cate: Do not get anxiety on vacation. Tyler specifically told you not to. And I wouldn't worry too much about that weight gain. Tyler is a chip off the old block, and we know how much Butch likes them thick chicks. Who, by the way, are probably baby gooping up your sheets right now while you LEFT BUTCH ALONE IN YOUR HOUSE. For a freaking week. WTF?

Remember Cate on 16&p? She never repeated a hairstyle. She had kicky little bobs and barettes and flowers. She just gave up. I wanted to get a degree, eh. I'll get pregnant instead. I wanted to lose weight for my wedding. Eh, I'll just trade in my dress for a bigger one.

Mimosa Macy, did you hear what your boyfriend said when you asked him what he was gonna be for Halloween??? An MTV Star! An MTV Star! Stop obsessing and lamenting to him about Rahn as if you're talking to one of your friends at the nail salon. We get it, you're still hot for his chili. I am too. Even with the skull makeup.. Quite possibly even more so because of the skull makeup. He's a shit dad but he sure is pretty.

Amber. Run!

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

I admit I kind of admire the fact that at least Taylor has no fucks left to give about pretending to not be in this for the Reality TV fame/money. Even though he's seriously a jerk to put off proposing in hopes of it getting another season or whatever, he's at least honest about it, I guess.

I'd say poor Maci, but well, I'm pretty sure just about all of the girls' significant others they've acquired since dumping their baby daddies have been in the relationships at least partly for the MTV "fame" so I guess he's upfront (unlike say, Matt or Nathan). Maci was dumb enough to fall for it too even without the guy trying to really hide it.

Edited February 11, 2016 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[Teddybear]

Speaking of ridiculous nicknames, where did "Tootie Fruity" come from?  And just plain "Tootie?"  Have I been tuning those two out, why have I never heard Cate call her Tootie before?  

[WhosThatGirl]

Great! I didn't even notice this. Well, y'all know farrah....maybe she rented it for debra and Michael to use. No wonder she was surprised about the water bill.

It's for production, actually. She refuses to let them use her bathroom or eat her food from her kitchen.