S06.E10: Expect A Miracle

[Tatum]

I become so irrationally angry when I see girls in Uggs, mini skirts and tank tops in 80 degree weather...while drinking a pumpkin spice latte. If you're cold put on some damn pants! And order a cup of coffee like a grown up!

Kali and Janelle really are such very basic bitches.

I'm officially old and uncool. I had to google what a basic bitch was then take the Are You a Basic Bitch? quiz. I'm mostly not, although I do like Target and eating bagels and wearing sweaters and would say Khloe is my favorite Kardashian. I call shenanigans though on the last one- who am I supposed to pick? KIM?? If you must pick a favorite, I fail to see how it could be anyone but Khloe.

And yes, after going through the 50 point quiz, I agree that Jenelle and Kail are indeed basic bitches who probably consider their tastes classy and mature. Throw Maci in there too.

[Lemons]

I was also appalled that Chelsea would choose have a slut shaming conversation about Adam with Aubree, how awful. Chelsea needs to stop shit talking Aubree's dad in front of her, nothing good will come of it.

 

 

Aubrey is Chelsea's little gossip buddy.  I hate listening to their conversations, so inappropriate.  Adam is Aubrey's father and at Aubrey's age, her love for him shouldn't be tarnished.  Soon enough kids know their parents' faults.  Aubrey is getting positive attention when she says negative things about her father.  Adam is not a lost cause.  He's not Jenelle.  There's hope for him yet. 

[Lemons]

What makes me furious about Leah's lack of a job... Is she got IN to a nursing program... She had plenty of opportunity to make something of herself, but she threw it away.

 I admire all the nurses for getting through classes like Anatomy and Physiology.  I can't imagine Leah passing some of those courses.  I don't think her schools were that well growing up.

[SPLAIN]

And yes, after going through the 50 point quiz, I agree that Jenelle and Kail are indeed basic bitches who probably consider their tastes classy and mature. Throw Maci in there too.

Welcome back, Tatum! :-) Fully agree about those three girls. What would Adam be considered? A basic turd? I can't imagine referring to him as a basic anything. He is lower than basic.

 

I don't think her schools were that well growing up.

Schools and teachers aren't at fault for Leah's stupidity.

[BitterApple]

It looked like the pool took up the entire back yard. So, the kids won't have a yard to play in for 9 months out of the year when it's not hot enough for the pool,

I thought it did as well. So Kail will have two kids and two dogs fighting for the slivers of grass between the pool and the fence line. But hey, she gets to say SHE has a pool and Jo doesn't, so it's totally worth it.

[SPLAIN]

Kail was likely thinking of all those parties where she will entertain! Kail probably had granite counter tops installed.
Bring out the cheese platters and Ritz crackers.

[Joe Jitsu913]

Kail was likely thinking of all those parties where she will entertain! Kail probably had granite counter tops installed.

Bring out the cheese platters and Ritz crackers.

Kail is going to need some cheese to go with her whine.

[lovesnark]

Kail was likely thinking of all those parties where she will entertain! Kail probably had granite counter tops installed.

Bring out the cheese platters and Ritz crackers.

Can you imagine going to a party at their house? Five minutes into it she'd get pissed at Javi for not arranging the coasters the way she told him to or something. Then she'd stomp up the stairs, slam the door and expect everyone to follow her up to her bedroom and agree with her that Javi ruined the special night she'd been planning for months.

[SPLAIN]

Can you imagine going to a party at their house? Five minutes into it she'd get pissed at Javi for not arranging the coasters the way she told him to or something. Then she'd stomp up the stairs, slam the door and expect everyone to follow her up to her bedroom and agree with her that Javi ruined the special night she'd been planning for months.

"I'M SO FUCKING FRUSTRATED!!!!"

[leighroda]

I admire all the nurses for getting through classes like Anatomy and Physiology. I can't imagine Leah passing some of those courses. I don't think her schools were that well growing up.

I'm probably bitter because I actually just finished nursing school a couple weeks ago, but I had to work my ass of to get in and stay in, and now study for my boards, and now I get to worry about silly things like student loans, so it really kinda stings that she had it handed to her, and actually probably has the resources to pay for it etc. but I highly doubt she would have been able to keep up.

[SPLAIN]

Leah tried cosmetology school as well. This link shows her in her uniform and an Instagram photo of her work:

http://starcasm.net/archives/273253

[crazychicken]

I thought it did as well. So Kail will have two kids and two dogs fighting for the slivers of grass between the pool and the fence line. But hey, she gets to say SHE has a pool and Jo doesn't, so it's totally worth it.

It was reported when Jo moved his house has a pool, I think that is what set Karl off Isaac probably came home and talked about the fun he had in Jo's pool so she went out and bought a new house with a pool so Isaac wouldn't ask to go swim at Jo's

[ChocolateAddict]

But, are you wearing at least two scarves, carefully draped to conceal your chins and neck tats? Where is the pic of your coffee? I know they must be really comfortable and all, but I hate UGG boots. The only people I think they look good on are little toddler girls. I crack up every day when I see people wearing them in 80-90 degree weather with shorts. It was 100 degrees the day our daughter got married and several off the teenage girls at her wedding were wearing them with cute little sundresses. I was like WTF? Your feet must be hotter than hell!

UGG boots are amazing but should never be worn out of the house.  I have to admit that I wear my UGGs at home a fair bit but they aren't practical to wear outside and they look silly, especially in summer.  

[Elizabeth9]

Welcome back, Tatum! :-) Fully agree about those three girls. What would Adam be considered? A basic turd? I can't imagine referring to him as a basic anything. He is lower than basic.

Schools and teachers aren't at fault for Leah's stupidity.

According to Bad Girls Club lingo, Adam is "ratchet"

[Joe Jitsu913]

Kail is so petty. She loves feeling superior to Jo. I wonder if it's because she was forced to live in his parent's McMansion because she had nowhere else to go. Talk about overcompensating. Another thing that bugs me is she definitely is living above her means. What happens when the show ends? Who is going to pay for those infinity scarves and designer handbags? Will Kail be able to afford those Pumpkin Spice lattes in the next 10 years?

Kail is such a dichotomy. On one end, she's trying to be new money with her Mercedes but she also sports ugly ass sleeves. Not saying they're mutually exclusive, but her "brand" is basically ripping off Pinterest and Martha Stewart. Tattoo sleeves are out of place, Kail.

[SPLAIN]

It was reported when Jo moved his house has a pool, I think that is what set Karl off Isaac probably came home and talked about the fun he had in Jo's pool so she went out and bought a new house with a pool so Isaac wouldn't ask to go swim at Jo's

Oh, I didn't know that. Now, it makes a whole lotta sense about the pool. Jo has a pool therefore, Karl has to have a bigger pool.  If Jo were to lay one giant turd on his front lawn, would Kail then try to out-do him?

 

According to Bad Girls Club lingo, Adam is "ratchet"

Love it. Fits him perfectly.

[Tatum]

Oh, I didn't know that. Now, it makes a whole lotta sense about the pool. Jo has a pool therefore, Karl has to have a bigger pool. If Jo were to lay one giant turd on his front lawn, would Kail then try to out-do him?

Love it. Fits him perfectly.

Oh dear god. If my infant wakes up because reading that made me laugh while holding him (after finally rocking him to sleep) there's going to be hell to pay Splain.

[lovesnark]

Oh, I didn't know that. Now, it makes a whole lotta sense about the pool. Jo has a pool therefore, Karl has to have a bigger pool.  If Jo were to lay one giant turd on his front lawn, would Kail then try to out-do him?

 

Love it. Fits him perfectly.

She'd make Javi do it. And, there would be hell to pay if it wasn't big enough.

[Lemons]

Chelsea doesn't need to spin anything because Aubree is not upset about what her mother is doing. Aubree is upset at her father for not giving her any attention because his attention is on another girlfriend which is what set that scene into motion. Chelsea didn't bring up Adam. Adam's dickish behavior caused his daughter distress and she told her mother. 

 

I seem to recall Chelsea saying plenty about Adam's dickish behavior while they were a "couple". It didn't just start once the relationship ended.

 

over.

Chelsea has initiated so many of these conversations with her child that Aubrey knows exactly what her mother wants to hear. any child development specialist would tell her to put a halt to these conversations. they aren't healthy.

[cheatincheetos]

Can you imagine going to a party at their house? Five minutes into it she'd get pissed at Javi for not arranging the coasters the way she told him to or something. Then she'd stomp up the stairs, slam the door and expect everyone to follow her up to her bedroom and agree with her that Javi ruined the special night she'd been planning for months.

Probably would also spend more minutes on her social media with her smartphone than talking face to face to the guests, too.

[SPLAIN]

Chelsea has initiated so many of these conversations with her child that Aubrey knows exactly what her mother wants to hear. any child development specialist would tell her to put a halt to these conversations. they aren't healthy.

Not necessarily. The therapists at my work have always made it clear to parents that it is healthy for them to listen to their children's feelings and opinions. They encourage parents to reach out and ask how their children feel and help them cope with what may be bothering them. Children that are Aubree's age have feelings. Aubree let it be known she was bothered by her father not giving her what she needed. Her feelings shouldn't be ignored. At the same time, Chelsea cannot do anything to change what is going on at Adam's house but, she can offer her child comfort.

Oh dear god. If my infant wakes up because reading that made me laugh while holding him (after finally rocking him to sleep) there's going to be hell to pay Splain.

Oh no! Hope not. Baby Blake is probably used to hearing you laughing out loud while you were pregnant with him as you read these posts. LOL

Edited September 15, 2015 by SPLAIN

[evilmindatwork]

UGG boots are amazing but should never be worn out of the house.  I have to admit that I wear my UGGs at home a fair bit but they aren't practical to wear outside and they look silly, especially in summer.  

I wear mine to walk my dog in fall/spring in the midwest. BUT, I am usually praying not to run into someone I know. Too comfortable to resist but too ugly to be public about their use. 

[Lemons]

Not necessarily. The therapists at my work have always made it clear to parents that it is healthy for them to listen to their children's feelings and opinions.

 

Of course, but Chelsea is prompting Aubrey to "feel" bad about Adam.  When Aubrey reports back to her mother it makes her feel important that she has news about Adam.  Adam has a lot of girlfriends!  Adam has been in jail twice!  (I'm assuming Aubrey will be calling her dad "Adam" soon enough as Chelsea has a new dad picked out for her). 

[BitterApple]

Chelsea has initiated so many of these conversations with her child that Aubrey knows exactly what her mother wants to hear. any child development specialist would tell her to put a halt to these conversations. they aren't healthy.

I agree. I don't have an issue with Chelsea asking general questions about what Aubree does at Adam's house, but she needs to stop making everything a comparison between how awful Adam is and how fabulous she and Cole are. For his part, Adam needs to stop with his petty bullshit as well.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

If Jace were two, this might be an effective strategy. Sadly, what would happen if Janelle had custody of Jace is exactly what we have been seeing at Leah's house - the twins basically being left alone to take care of themselves, make themselves breakfast, blow drying their own hair and supervising their younger sibling. Janelle would probably just plop Jace in front of the tv for all the hours he wasn't in school and scream at him if he ever interrupted her time on the phone/twitter and fighting with boyfriends. Honestly, Kaiser probably would be a lot better off if Jace were in the home since at least he'd have someone to talk to and Jace would probably take better care of him than Jenelle or Nathan, but it would be too devastating to pull Jace out of a stable environment and send him to Janelle's full time. I'd hate to saddle Barb with another kid, but maybe if she could pull in the kind of MTV money the other girls are making, she could take care of both children and have money to hire babysitters so she could get a break.

It's so true that if Jace lived with Jenelle, he'd end of taking care of and raising Kaiser for her. Jenelle probably heard about Gracie making toast for her sisters and thought another reason it would be a great idea for Jace to come live with her would be because Jace could change his diapers and feed him while Jenelle sleeps in and lays about looking at her phone. I'd bet the responsibilities that fall to Gracie at Leah's would be nothing compared to what Jace would end up doing for Kaiser.

While Jace would probably be a better "parent" for Kaiser than Jenelle, I really hope that doesn't happen. It's not his responsibility to have to care for his brother while his mom screams "leave me aloooone!" from her bed or tokes up in the bathtub.

disclosure time: I love pumpkin spice lattes and pumpkin flavored (almost) anything. I also really love Uggs (in the winter! Not in 80 degrees or something). I'm not even sorry. I like what I like. People can say I'm a basic white girl all they want. They can stay I'm stuck in 2003 (it was a good year!). I don't care. I'll drink my pumpkin spice lattes and snuggle my toes in some warm, comfy uggs any fall/winter. I'll own being basic if that's what it means. But please don't call Kail & Jenelle basic then. Those bitches wish they could be as basic as me. ;)

(And no, I don't have a Pintrest.)

Edited September 15, 2015 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[FozzyBear]

UGG boots are amazing but should never be worn out of the house. I have to admit that I wear my UGGs at home a fair bit but they aren't practical to wear outside and they look silly, especially in summer.

As much as I rag on them (ugly, expensive, label conscious) I really don't mind them as sort of around the house in door/out door slippers, but they're not shoes and they sure as hell aren't summer wear. In general I don't get the Ugg/yoga pants look. How comfortable do you need to be and how uncomfortable are your clothes? Dresses are comfortable, flats are comfortable. What's the problem here? Maybe Janelle can fill me in. It seems like she's either half dressed or in her finest club wear. Very little middle ground.

It's so true that if Jace lived with Jenelle, he'd end of taking care of and raising Kaiser for her. Jenelle probably heard about Gracie making toast for her sisters and thought another reason it would be a great idea for Jace to come live with her would be because Jace could change his diapers and feed him while Jenelle sleeps in and lays about looking at her phone. I'd bet the responsibilities that fall to Gracie at Leah's would be nothing compared to what Jace would end up doing for Kaiser.

While Jace would probably be a better "parent" for Kaiser than Jenelle, I really hope that doesn't happen. It's not his responsibility to have to care for his brother while his mom screams "leave me aloooone!" from her bed or tokes up in the bathtub.

disclosure time: I love pumpkin spice lattes and pumpkin flavored (almost) anything. I also really love Uggs (in the winter! Not in 80 degrees or something). I'm not even sorry. I like what I like. People can say I'm a basic white girl all they want. They can stay I'm stuck in 2003 (it was a good year!). I don't care. I'll drink my pumpkin spice lattes and snuggle my toes in some warm, comfy uggs any fall/winter. I'll own being basic if that's what it means. But please don't call Kail & Jenelle basic then. Those bitches wish they could be as basic as me. ;)

(And no, I don't have a Pintrest.)

Hehe. Only love here! My Ugg wearing, pumpkin spice loving mother and sister (both awesome people) constantly make fun of my "coffee regular" cranky ass. Sometimes they talk about life being a journey just to get to me. We all get out karma. I can only hope Janelle gets hers. Your right though. Janelle's isn't basic, she's a felon!

[cheatincheetos]

Either that, or he's tired of eating Top Ramen and Cup 'o Noodles at his new place and figured he'd at least hit Jenelle up for the king size, meat pig breakfast platter when they did the kid exchange. Hey, he did let her hug him as a thank you for the grub before he drove off with his kid without a license. 

Makes sense. Eat on someone else's tab where he can and save the limited funds for fronting as richer as he is, with a car lease and clothes.

[mla40]

So Jo has a pool, now it makes perfect sense that cow couldn't be bothered to go outside to look at it. She wanted him to see just how little she cares about a pool. Too bad everyone else can see right through that shit!

[dorcastrilling]

I live in the Northeast where it can get really hot, and will be humid, no matter what. Hugs have amazing wicking properties. Your feet actually feel cooler, and when you take them off none of that horrible sticky feel. Great in the snowy cold winters. Ugly, yes, functional? Absolutely.

[Miasmomma]

I'm not a huge fan of Kail's but the house isn't that extravagant.  It's a 300K house and with her MTV money and the sale of the first house I would guess she can put down 20%.  This would leave her payments that are $1,600 per month assuming that she was paying 5% interest which is high for right now.  I can only speak for the North East but I would have a hard time renting a 2 bedroom apartment for that.  So while the vacations and the cars maybe a bit much,  The house seems like a good investment.

 

Maybe I'm just a sucker,  but I empathetic towards Leah.  I think she has used poor judgement many times and that's on her but being 16 with twins and having a child with disabilities as a teenager is not easy.  I hope she gets help so that she is capable of taking care of her children and herself. 

[Freckledbruh]

 

I'm not a huge fan of Kail's but the house isn't that extravagant.  It's a 300K house and with her MTV money and the sale of the first house I would guess she can put down 20%.  This would leave her payments that are $1,600 per month assuming that she was paying 5% interest which is high for right now.

I think that she has an FHA loan so she put 3% down.  Also, I think the extravagance is that she already had a house and only lived in it for a year before buying another house.

[FairyDusted]

Leah tried cosmetology school as well. This link shows her in her uniform and an Instagram photo of her work:

http://starcasm.net/archives/273253

This made me really laugh. On day one of flipping though the book she would note having to memorize every bone of the body along with every muscle! I imagine she that book went out the open window near her bed.

 

I had irrational hate of Chelsea using the term HAIR SCHOOL! I went to a very small HS in Twinsburg, OH and we went to Cosmotology during the last two years of school. I wonder why Chelsea didn't go then? Would have been a hellava incentive to stay in school.

 

About Uggs….I know they are ugly but I love them to death. Even while I lived in Vegas I wore the hell out of their flip flops. Here now in Ohio, I dread snow cuz I don't want to ruin my boots!  

[GreatKazu]

I'm not a huge fan of Kail's but the house isn't that extravagant.  It's a 300K house and with her MTV money and the sale of the first house I would guess she can put down 20%.  This would leave her payments that are $1,600 per month assuming that she was paying 5% interest which is high for right now.  I can only speak for the North East but I would have a hard time renting a 2 bedroom apartment for that.  So while the vacations and the cars maybe a bit much,  The house seems like a good investment.

 

 

Someone did some searching and apparently Kail and Javi's names are still on the first house. It appears they didn't sell it, yet.

Also, it isn't about the extravagance of the home. I don't think it is extravagant. It is smaller in comparison to their previous home and has one less bedroom.  It is the lies that have been told about why they needed to move that have caused discussion here. The only difference is this home has a pool. Guess who else has a pool? Jo. Kail has always had this need to be bigger and better. Her comments in previous seasons about wanting to show off her material things to her mother is just one example.

 

 

This would leave her payments that are $1,600 per month

That doesn't include what her expenses are for her newest purchase. She just recently bought another gas guzzler - a Chevy Suburban. With all the gaz guzzlers that they have, on top of car payments, insurance for those cars, homeowner's insurance, taking all of these trips all over the place, designer hand-bags, tons of scarves, designer glasses, those endless tattoos, private school, pool expenses, the expenses that come with having two homes! Even if Kail and Javi are renting out the other one, there are still expenses that come with owning a home. There are property taxes and other expenses. Kail is terrible when it comes to paying taxes, which is why she found herself in deep shit with the IRS two years ago.

Edited September 15, 2015 by GreatKazu

[FairyDusted]

Someone did some searching and apparently Kail and Javi's names are still on the first house. It appears they didn't sell it, yet.

Also, it isn't about the extravagance of the home. I don't think it is extravagant. It is smaller in comparison to their previous home and has one less bedroom.  It is the lies that have been told about why they needed to move that have caused discussion here. The only difference is this home has a pool. Guess who else has a pool? Jo. Kail has always had this need to be bigger and better. Her comments in previous seasons about wanting to show off her material things to her mother is just one example.

Damn Straight Hulk must smash JO! Two homes are no joke. I do it because my hubby still is working cross country to fix everything we need fixed here. On a single paycheck. My pool is a huge pain and costly. Good luck with that Kail!

[zenme]

I wonder if Kail and Javi are renting out their house, or if they are trying to sell it. 

 

When Mr. zenme and I were home searching, we ruled out houses with pools.  Well, at least I did.  I didn't want the extra expense hassle of a pool. 

[DoctorWhovian]

UGG boots are amazing but should never be worn out of the house.  I have to admit that I wear my UGGs at home a fair bit but they aren't practical to wear outside and they look silly, especially in summer.  

 

I wear my UGGs outside when it's cold and I am not ashamed. My feet stay warm and cozy. I also like scarves, pumpkin flavored things in the fall, Target, and other "basic" things and will never feel bad about it. I like things, other people like other things, and some other people like the same things. Meh. Do your thing and don't worry 'bout no one else.

 

But UGGs outside? They were popularized by surfers. Wear them outside all you want.

 

Kail is still obnoxious though. 

[FairyDusted]

Nana's Littles need the vitamin D;)

[monagatuna]

I wear my UGGs outside when it's cold and I am not ashamed. My feet stay warm and cozy. I also like scarves, pumpkin flavored things in the fall, Target, and other "basic" things and will never feel bad about it. I like things, other people like other things, and some other people like the same things. Meh. Do your thing and don't worry 'bout no one else.

 

But UGGs outside? They were popularized by surfers. Wear them outside all you want.

 

Kail is still obnoxious though. 

I like all these things too...my point was, Kail doesn't like them because she likes them, she likes them because she's trying to present her life as a walking Pinterest board. I love scarves, but I don't wear them every day because that would be dumb. Kail was wearing a gosh darn infinity scarf with a T-shirt in the same episode where it was "too hot" to go outside and see the yard of the house they were buying. Ditto all the other super-trendy stuff she just HAS to have. You're supposed to sprinkle that stuff throughout your life and personalize it how you want, but she just copies it straight out. She doesn't have her own style, or personality, or ideas. She's just posturing. For her "fans." Who are "stalking her" (lol).

[ghoulina]

And, it's been a couple decades since I had a toddler. Is the latest thing to carry a mat to put on the restaurant table and just put food from your plate on the mat for the kid to eat? Jenelle had the same green mat for the Roll to eat from when she met Nipples and when she met with Babs. I guess you take it to the restroom and clean it off when you're done eating?

 

I didn't notice what Jenelle had, but I did have a mat thing when my kids were just starting out on table foods. It had suctions underneath, so it stayed on the table, and also a little pocket for anything they spilled. Plates, they can pick up and throw. And I wouldn't want to put food right on the table. I just wiped my mat down with baby wipes when we were done. It rolled up, so the side that might still be a bit sticky wouldn't touch anything in my bag. Then I could give it a good cleaning at home. 

 

I would stand outside the door and go in if he took too long, I don't care if it's the men's room.  I'm wondering if they have assistants at these public filming spots that take care of things like this so the conversation isn't interrupted.

 

I still take my 5 and 7-year-old boys in the Lady's with me. I don't care. I don't think they're old enough to venture into the Men's room by themselves. Thank goodness for the plethora of single and/or "family" restrooms where we go. 

[ghoulina]

It was reported when Jo moved his house has a pool, I think that is what set Karl off Isaac probably came home and talked about the fun he had in Jo's pool so she went out and bought a new house with a pool so Isaac wouldn't ask to go swim at Jo's

 

Oh my gosh, case closed. That's it right there. 

 

Plus, if she's a little further away from Jo it won't be as easy for Lincoln to run over there and play/swim. 

 

UGG boots are amazing but should never be worn out of the house.  I have to admit that I wear my UGGs at home a fair bit but they aren't practical to wear outside and they look silly, especially in summer.

 

I wear them everywhere in the winter. It's cold and it snows here, I need protection! They are so warm, but comfortable as well. I do not wear them with skirts, however. Just my jeans. Never in the summer! I can't imagine. And I won't buy the name brand, as they use real sheep to make the boots. I buy these $25 Airwalk ones, but they're great, if you ask me. 

[Darknight]

Full time preschool/daycare is expensive, if not 50K a year, then 30K easily year-round. A house can be a smart investment and Kail did buy one. What she's doing now, buying a bigger home 2 years later is a stupid move. Buying/selling is expensive. Financial planners will tell you that if you only plan on staying somewhere for 2 years, it's better to rent in terms of costs/benefits. If Kail was concerned that their first home was too small, she should have waited 2 years and saved up a bigger down payment. But she's stupid. And buying a home that you won't be able to afford in a year or 2 is not a smart investment.

Yep that's the average price here. 50k for your 4 yo to learn shapes, write, read and extremely competitive. I've seen parents cry that their child didn't get into an elite private school because little Johnny might not go to Harvard

[Darknight]

It was reported when Jo moved his house has a pool, I think that is what set Karl off Isaac probably came home and talked about the fun he had in Jo's pool so she went out and bought a new house with a pool so Isaac wouldn't ask to go swim at Jo's

Gosh I wish Joe would move into a home with an indoor movie theater, big playroom, and huge ass master bedroom for Issac. What will Karl do then?

[monagatuna]

Gosh I wish Joe would move into a home with an indoor movie theater, big playroom, and huge ass master bedroom for Issac. What will Karl do then?

Better yet, Jo should move into a house where everyone loves and respects each other, and doesn't get unnecessarily mad over petty BS. Where people are real and don't try to be something they're not (fake rap career notwithstanding). Kail would never be able to compete with that!

 

Oh, wait...he already DOES live in that house. No wonder Kail must have all the better *things*...she can't compete with the sensible, stable atmosphere at Jo's.

[SPLAIN]

Jo and his family had such a gorgeous, big home.  The way Kail is so obsessed with showing off what she has as far as her house, cars, material things, it makes me wonder if that is why she attached herself to Jo and forego birth control pill. She was hoping to have that kind of home, lifestyle, and stability. In her mind, Jo and his family could have given that to her. When the day came that Jo was no longer wanting her stinking ass after that screw session in the shower, was the day her dream bubble burst. She would no longer have the option of having the Riveras or their money to support her.  Now, she has to go bigger and better because material possessions is a sign of success and it is a way to say "fuck you" to those she feels hurt her. Unfortunately, that is not what happened since Kail is the one who screwed herself over but, in her mind, that is likely what she is thinking and feeling.

[whydoiwatchtv]

it makes me wonder if that is why she attached herself to Jo and forego birth control pill.

All the more reason for Jo to have a brain in his other head and insist on a condom at all times, especially at 16 years old. Both parties are equally responsible and should be taught by their parents that fact way before becoming sexually active. Jo failed to be responsible and so did Kail. Now they are stuck with dealing with each other for the rest of their lives. It's the one lesson I wish young people would take from this show.

[DangerousMinds]

IIRC, Jo's (now divorced) parents were teen parents too.

[GreatKazu]

IIRC, Jo's (now divorced) parents were teen parents too.

They are still his parents regardless of the fact they are divorced. As for them being teen parents, where is the source about them being teen parents? I am curious.

 

Earlier tonight I had to take my nephew for football orientation (his parents had to go out of town for an emergency), and the coaches, who happen to be married, talked about a lot of things. One of which was what they expected out the parents. They played a short video. I wasn't expecting to watch what they showed. They showed a snippet of Kail and that scene of her yelling and screaming at Isaac at his game like a pig in a slaughterhouse!! OMG I was floored and then I started laughing because I wasn't expecting to see that pop up on the screen. Many of the other parents were laughing as well. Can you blame them? The coaches explained how that kind of behavior was NOT acceptable and would be grounds for removing a child from the team if their parents don't behave properly.  I approached the wife (coach) and asked her how is it they decided to use that snippet of Teen Mom. She told me she watches the show with her teen daughter and she was aghast at how horrible Kail behaved at that game and decided that would be a great way to send the point home about how a parent should not behave at any of the games.

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[DangerousMinds]

Yes, they are indeed still his parents . . .

[SheTalksShit]

Ya but Vee kinda confirmed it when she sent out a bunch of passive-aggressive tweets about how fucked up it is to air other people's dirty laundry, etc. because they also mentioned he'd been to jail before for NOT paying child support. 

 

and the teen dad's that film definitely make LESS than the TM's do, but that doesn't mean it's not enough to live off of. These girls make at least $100k per season. No clue how much the dad's get paid but if it's even 1/3 of what the girl's make per season, then that's enough to live off of. not live WELL, mind you, but it's enough to live. 

I'd take anything Javi and/or Karl is saying about Jo with a grain of salt. They both insist that Javi is still on active-duty in the Air Force despite the fact he is always at home or going on vacations. I don't know exactly how much the teen dad's make for being on the show, but I was under the impression it was a lot less then the moms' do. So I doubt he is 'living' off of it without having some other source of income.

Did you remember Season 1? Kail cheated on him w/Jordan, even though Jo wanted to work it out. Kail is the one that ended the relationship, not Jo. Jo just didn't want her back when she tried to rekindle things a year later. He's already moved on. 

Jo and his family had such a gorgeous, big home.  The way Kail is so obsessed with showing off what she has as far as her house, cars, material things, it makes me wonder if that is why she attached herself to Jo and forego birth control pill. She was hoping to have that kind of home, lifestyle, and stability. In her mind, Jo and his family could have given that to her. When the day came that Jo was no longer wanting her stinking ass after that screw session in the shower, was the day her dream bubble burst. She would no longer have the option of having the Riveras or their money to support her.  Now, she has to go bigger and better because material possessions is a sign of success and it is a way to say "fuck you" to those she feels hurt her. Unfortunately, that is not what happened since Kail is the one who screwed herself over but, in her mind, that is likely what she is thinking and feeling.

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Random and not relevant to anything: 

 

1. Isaac looks so much like Jo, it's freaky. He's like a mini-Jo. And both of them look like ducks. Something about the way Jo sits there when he talks with this kind of half-smile on his face, just looks like a duck to me. 

 

2. I crack up when I see people call her "Karl" cuz it makes me think of the character on The Walking Dead, the boy Carl -- well, a lot of people really dislike him and I've had a lot of good laughs from the twop (and now this) forum trashing him.