S17.E04: Episode 4

[Tara Ariano]

The Power of Veto competition is held.

[Skittl1321]

Did Audrey have something even remotely important to say when she woke her entire alliance up? What is wrong with her?

[vb68]

I just couldn't stop shaking my head at "Cloudtown".

 

Jace and Austin are idiots.

[Artsda]

James should have gone with his DR comment and put up Audrey.

[NYCFree]

I can not wait for Jace to be gone. Every time he is on screen he manages to do some kind of attention gathering thing that makes me shudder. He may be the least self-aware person on reality TV. The one time I found it amusing was when Austin told him other people might find him annoying and the Jace had a look of incredulity on his face.

[Katesus7]

These people have no idea how to make an alliance, and it's awesome to watch. Loved Da'Vonne basically rolling her eyes at the whole thing.

OK, the Da'Vonne/Clay blowup was really interesting. It's just too bad they tried to shove it in a timeline it didn't belong in. When Clay and Jeff were talking about it in the storage room, you could see everyone's suitcases behind them. And Da'Vonne was in Jason's 2nd HOH bedroom upstairs. This whole thing happened before the BotB. But it was great to show how ridiculously early this alliance formed, and how shaky it is.

So sometimes, for a brief second, when someone is laying on the HOH bed, the pink cut-outs behind them on the wall look like bunny ears. It happened to James once and cracked me up. Now I'm looking for it!

Trombonists? I love Steve.

[Callaphera]

Is the editing team not even trying this year? It's the episode after Battle of the Block... and they show us everyone sitting in the second HoH room chatting. Doesn't that room get locked up again once the second HoH has been dethroned and cleaned their stuff out of it?

[BlackMamba]

Da'Vonne has to be the best castmember Ive seen.in years. She's observant and definitely a superfan. I love her sass and funny confessionals too.

Steve how loveable is he. Of course he spells something that has something to do with music.

[Eolivet]

Ugh, BB -- do you have to be so gross? Then again, "digging for gold" in nose rocks is actually marginally less gross than that one year they had to find letters by popping pimples. :shudders:

 

Creative challenges and crazy costumes are part of what makes Big Brother fun and entertaining, but that doesn't mean they need to be designed by Beavis and Butthead.

 

Technotronics. Never forget.

[Turtle]

I'm guessing editing thinks casual viewers won't notice / care about that the conversation happened in the second BB room. Until I started reading forums and watching feeds, I might not have noticed. Plus, it's got to be tough to edit it all down coherently, especially at the beginning when there are so many people and the audience doesn't really have a sense of anyone yet.

So glad Steve won veto! And really glad it was the type of comp they'd "expect" him to win. Had he lucked in to winning a physical comp, it would have drawn some unwanted attention. But spelling trombonist fits right into their preconceived notions of him. Not saying he would have won a physical challenge, just that it's better that it was a spelling challenge.

[North of Eden]

Sad...I liked Audrey until she was immediatly plotting to get rid of close alliance mate Da'Vonne. That's pretty shady and all this was before she went spinning off into the "5AM Round up". Playing too hard this early in the game is a recipe for winding up at home watching the rest of the season from home. The houseguests questioning her antics at least seems to explode the theories I've read that they won't target her based on her orientation...that's actually progressive in a way.

 

Day is my favorite right now but I do hope she can reign in going on the "Chima Like" emotional jags. That can be another quick game ender.

 

OMG...Clay looks just like Zach Morris...I guess Steve could be his Screech.

 

Jeff & Meg?! Didn't see that coming! He was okay on TAR but on this show he is coming off a little tool-ish.

 

As predicted Jill continues to stray further and further away from the first night girl's alliance.

 

What an imbalence this year..90% of the women like Jackie and Beck etc are smoking hot and on the men's side the best they can muster up is Clay and to a much lesser degree Jeff. I thought Grodner was pro-showmances...not good odds here.

[Lady Calypso]

I like Da'Vonne, but I agree that she seems paranoid. I like it so far, but her paranoia could bite her (and it seems it might be sooner). But I think some paranoia is warranted, especially when she barely knows these people.

 

Ok, I wasn't sold on Steve earlier, but now I am. Him, Meg, Jason, Jeff and Da'Vonne are my favourites so far. Shelli, Becky, John, Liz and Jackie are not memorable. Everyone else I don't really like. James is ok most of the time, but I don't outright hate anyone. I just find certain people annoying. 

 

Speaking of John, he annoys me a lot. I remember why I put him on my 'annoying' list before the season started. Johnny Mac is going to be annoying, I can just tell. Audrey's intense but I'm glad they're showing her as an attempted puppet master. I'm glad a lot of them seem self aware. But yeah, Audrey, calling a meeting at 5am to houseguests who were either sleeping or talking? Of course that's suspicious, especially when you're calling them up one by one! 

 

Well...except for Jace. He can go any day now.

[TimWil]

I have mixed feelings about Da'Vonne. She's funny and likeable but way too paranoid. I wondered what she was referring to last week when she accused Audrey of "sweetening up" her intro story and have since found out she actually doesn't believe

Audrey's claim about being kidnapped and taken into the woods for one of those boot camp programs. Really? Just because she came up with a lame story about being a second grade teacher doesn't mean the others are all lying.

Edited July 3, 2015 by Stinger97

[Stinamaia]

I kind of hate it that they didn't show all of Audrey' craziness and pointed the finger at Day.

[RedheadZombie]

I don't think Jeff knows what pillow talk means.

[ByaNose]

If Da'Vonne survives 90+ Days it will be a miracle. Also, I think that Clay is Mark Paul Gosselars twin. I'm glad that it's been revealed and we can all move on. LOL!!!!

[Brian Cronin]

I kind of hate it that they didn't show all of Audrey' craziness and pointed the finger at Day.

As soon as I saw that I thought, "Well, we knew it was coming, but still, they're not even hiding the fact that Audrey is their favorite." 

 

I'll give John this much, Johnny Mac IS a lot catchier than "John" in a season with a James, a Jeff, a Jason, a Jackie and a Jace. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

But I think some paranoia is warranted, especially when she barely knows these people.

I agree. She may calm down once she gets past a couple of evictions.

[Shadow Wave]

"I'm from Texas. Go big or go home," says the guy with a map of South Carolina tattooed on one arm, and a Clemson Tiger paw on the other. Calling Dr. Tatoff!

[lilabennet]

I kind of hate it that they didn't show all of Audrey' craziness and pointed the finger at Day.

I am surprised (and glad!) that they showed as much as they did.  And they even threw in a little bit of the cuckoo music.  At least there will be less room in the future for people to claim that her eviction was personal or evidence of intolerance instead of game-based.

[Wandering Snark]

Thoughts from tonight:

 

Just when you think you've heard the dumbest alliance names then comes Jase's "CloudTown".

 

I don't think I've seen one let alone two people together in unison celebrate, of all things, being named as POV host. *sighs*

 

Is the HoH room door intentionally squeeky or what? Can we get some WD-40 for that thing?

 

"Well, it's no technotronics.." Just what I was thinking. But really, that was a pretty impressive comp as these are usually remidial english at best. Well, except for boogers of course.

 

Audrey: Soooo subtle... I know >I'd< just love someone to come wake me up for some demented role-call of a possible alliance but to say nothing that couldn't have waited, like, days... clunkiest/shakiest alliance evar. Also not cool to pull people away and say that if they don't want to be put on the block next week they'd better come up to the HoH room asap...

Edited July 2, 2015 by Wandering Snark

[Racj82]

Yeah, I'm not a Day'Vonne train. She can go anytime now. She was kind cool for busting Audrey or talking to Clay but she is too extra for me. All of that commotion over the entering the room was uncalled for.

 

Stop with these quick ass alliances. Let people show their colors. I wouldn't want Day or Audrey near my alliance.

[Kromm]

Wow, Da'Vonne is overplaying.

She's about as big an idiot as Jace.

[Artsda]

I kind of hate it that they didn't show all of Audrey' craziness and pointed the finger at Day.

I think they laid the groundwork for her craziness to come out next episode. 

[Kromm]

Jace and Austin are idiots.

Austin's main stupidity is teaming up/staying with his Broooooooo-mance. At other times when he's away from that vacuum of intelligence Jace, he seems fairly intelligent.

He should know to cut bait and run. But apparently not...

I think they laid the groundwork for her craziness to come out next episode.

Or they're afraid to rock the LGBTQ boat (which is rightfully sailing really high right now) and show a crazy ass person who just HAPPENS to be Trans. And won't show it at all.

That said, Da'Vonne is still horribly overplaying.

Edited July 2, 2015 by Kromm

[Petunia13]

I'll give John this much, Johnny Mac IS a lot catchier than "John" in a season with a James, a Jeff, a Jason, a Jackie and a Jace.

That's the twist. Half the house is/or has a twin. The rest are Duggars. Expect the unexpected.

Just when you think you've heard the dumbest alliance names then comes Jase's "CloudTown".

Cougartown was taken.

Edited July 2, 2015 by Petunia13

[Kromm]

Did Audrey have something even remotely important to say when she woke her entire alliance up? What is wrong with her?

A non-PC (but possible) answer might be "hormone imbalance".

[Eolivet]

"I'm from Texas. Go big or go home," says the guy with a map of South Carolina tattooed on one arm, and a Clemson Tiger paw on the other. Calling Dr. Tatoff!

The only good thing about that was that someone finally, finally, finally called out the ridiculous "You don't want to get blood on your hands," like they aren't all Lady Macbeth in that house. I was so glad James was like "I LOVE BLOOD," because somebody had to say it. As if when "the house" votes someone out, they don't actually go home.

 

You're voting people out...out, damn spot!

Edited July 2, 2015 by Eolivet

[Puffaroo]

I kind of hate it that they didn't show all of Audrey' craziness and pointed the finger at Day.

 

OTOH, unless Day was shaking her foot, she appeared to be quivering with rage.  Over something stupid.

[ghoulina]

So I have to say, Jason is bugging me less and less. When he's "on", he can still be a bit grating, but I think he's got the potential to be a smart player and he cracks me up at times. For instance, when Jace had his impromptu streaking session and Jason just sat there and said, "so unamused" - I died. Jace is trying SO hard to be the class clown of the house, the "funny" one, and it's just falling flat. 

 

I love James as well. Hands down, best moment of last night - "I'm from Texas, I love blood" and he starts miming wiping it all over his face! Get it, boy! Finally, someone who isn't going to pussy foot around. It's week one and he's already making moves. 

 

And I loved how he just sat there and let Austin and Jace think they were forming an alliance with him. "Cloud town" is the perfect name, because you are dreaming, fools!

 

So yea, I think those two make a good team and I like them working together, but I don't know about these girls in their alliance. First you have Da, literally having a breakdown over the dumbest thing ever. Let's be clear, yes - the house is for everyone. But you were creeping around counting things for game purposes and you didn't want to tell anyone, lest they do the same. So you can't get all pissy about people not being upfront with you, when you're not being upfront. Grrrr, I don't even want to talk about it, because it was seriously the most ridiculous fight ever. 

 

And then Audrey...she has lost her damn mind. Running around in the night, waking people up, trying to bring more people into the alliance. What a cluster fuck. James was right, at the rate she was going, they'd have a damn 16 person alliance before she was finished! So fucking sloppy. What is the need? Keep your solid core and then just casually spread the word that people want Jace out. No one is going to ruffle feathers this early, so there's no need to get half a dozen people up in your business. Yea, she's a little too crazy my taste. 

 

LOVED that Steve pulled himself off the block with "trombonists". I know his game is weak, but I can't help but like him. He immediately knew who had the longest word in BB history, for crying out loud! I hope he can step it up and make it far. 

Edited July 2, 2015 by ghoulina

[ghoulina]

Austin's main stupidity is teaming up/staying with his Broooooooo-mance. At other times when he's away from that vacuum of intelligence Jace, he seems fairly intelligent.

He should know to cut bait and run. But apparently not...

 

Yea, it's the not being able to cut and run that is his major problem. Okay, you liked Jace and kind of teamed up with him, it happens. But when you see your "bro" continue to act a fool and rub people the wrong way, distance yourself! He just kept saying stuff like, "We have to get the attention off Jace". Why? You're not married. Back off and start hanging with other people. It's so early in the game for that kind of suicidal loyalty. 

[Biosynth]

I just can't stand Da Vonne.  Over playing, overly dramatic, big mouth.  Getting angry that someone called her out on snooping in someone's room.  It was very obvious that she was deflecting.  I wish they would vote her out sooner than later, and pre jury house too.

 

Jace too can go, but I would prefer Da Vonne to leave first. 

[Primetimer]

One player stops his slide while an alliance begins to groan under its own weight.

Read the story

[bc1795]

What is Da Vonne's problem?   Why did she get so upset over something so minor?

 

It probably has something to do with,  I don't know,  maybe, all the cameras in the house?

[DAngelus]

Okay, so I'm doubling down on Clay being the twins. That argument with Da'Vonne, where she DR'd about his voice being different than she had heard before?  Yeah, it's almost as if he was an entirely different person, isn't it?  Plus when "Clay" went upstairs to talk to Da' about the confrontation, he didn't really seem to know what had happened, whether or not he had told Jeff to go into the "car room".  I'm assuming that's "Clay #2" upstairs, trying to clean up "Clay #1"'s mess, but working off of incomplete information.

 

The only other possible twins I can see are Liz, because she's kind of a female Clay (attractive, but lacking any real reason to be cast aside from that, and clearly a recruit) or Shelli (twin cougars? Er, pumas?  Sure, why not?), but neither of them was featured much tonight, so I'm more looking in Clay's direction. And I guess Meg could be twins (double the perky, double the fun!), but I'm just not feeling that.

 

Everybody else is kind of disqualified, IMO.  Vanessa and Jason might get the show into touchy waters because of their orientation;  I'm not sure BB would cast gay twins (especially Jason's brand of flaming) but having a non-gay twin pretend to be gay to impersonate Vanessa or Jason would be even dicier.  Although in Vanessa's case, it might be an explanation of why she's skipping the World Series of Poker to be here; this is something she can share with her (hypothetical) twin in a way that she can't share her poker experiences.  But I'm dubious about that idea.

 

I still love Steve (congrats on the Veto!) and John (love that his critique of the Have-Not Room was that the instruments were outdated, as if anyone else would notice/care) but part of that is because they're awkward and weird, respectively.  Would BB cast that type of twin for a role that requires the social skills to have two people create, essentially, a single persona?  Can't see it.

 

If either Jeff or Jackie were the twins, that would be something that, presumably, the other would have learned during their Amazing Race partnership (or Jackie's apparently fruitless subsequent pursuit of Jeff) and would thus be an unfair advantage for the other, since Jeff would have a significantly better shot at realizing he was playing with twin Jackies or vice versa than anyone else in the House would have.  (BTW, I thought Jeff was verging into Jeff Schroeder territory with his digs at Jackie's intelligence during the Veto, and it grated a bit.)

 

James, Da'Vonne, Jace, and Austin are displaying their tattoos far too prominently for any of them to be the twins, unless their twin has identical ink.  Unlikely.

 

Audrey being twins isn't impossible, but it's close.  Even if she had an equally trans sibling, would the process leave them still looking identical?  And unless Becky's twin was also hit by the train and had identical facial-reconstruction surgery, I feel confident we can rule her out.

 

I didn't too much mind the insertion of the pre-BotB drama into this episode, since it didn't involve any of the nominees and there wasn't much time for it in the previous episode.  Not much different from the Sunday filler segments (most of which happened the previous week) that we'll get as the season goes along, albeit more intense.  The editing "error" that annoyed me more was having Steve's being a trombonist come out of left field, when it was the "perfect word" to win the Veto because "these are my people".  I was like "Wha?"  I realize that BB not being edited after the entire season is over (the way TAR and Survivor are) makes it impossible for the editors to go back to Episode 17.02 and include a specific mention of Steve playing the trombone in his introduction piece or his remarks at the get-to-know-you table (instead of just a general reference to "music"), but they could have done some foreshadowing in this episode, anyhow: they must have DR footage of him talking about how isolated he feels in the house and it's not like he plays a cool instrument like John with his guitar, nobody wants to hear stories about him playing trombone, etc.  (Even if you don't already have something like this, get Steve to talk about it post-Veto and then drop it in the first half of the ep.)  It just felt pretty disconnected for me.

 

I did like his knowing about the history of the spelling competition. (As Becky noted, it's the first time everybody at least spelled a word.  As opposed to "Caltoru" or even "Mouisturizing".  OTOH, as much mockery as "technotronics" has gotten through the years, I'm kind of with Russell in the camp that thinks it was a deliberate throw on Jeff S.'s part, and so not up there with the "David never even locked in a word" category of brain cramps.)  And I liked Liz congratulating him; given that she's safe, it's not as though she needed to suck up, so it was good to see some genuine kindness.  It's a pity we didn't see Steve try to step up his social game, though; it's nice that he recognizes he has a long-term problem, but I want to see him try to solve it.  Surely, with two days between the Veto and the ceremony and the majority of the house concerned about being backdoored (one should hope), there was an opportunity to build bridges with at least some of the six others who knew they were safe (Becky, John, Austin, Liz, Vanessa, Da'Vonne) and so didn't have the distraction of post-Veto drama.  (Although it doesn't seem to take much to get Da' pulled into that…)  Something along the lines of going to Becky/John and being like "well, I'm glad I don't have to worry any more.  I mean, I know James has 'big plans', but I gotta say, his putting me up on the block made me think that he feels I'm…dispensable, you know?"  (Remember, Steve saw Becky crying after the nominations.) "Maybe we need to think about having each others' backs? I'd be down for that."  Or something like that.  It just feels like there's an opportunity there for the safe people to plan their future while the majority of the house has other fish to fry; I hope Steve didn't miss it.

 

One thing I definitely won't miss is Jace.  Just so desperate to be "on" all the time, as when he makes an "alliance" with Audrey and James, but gets distracted by naming it and starts eternally woofing about "Cloudtown".  Hey, hey, Jace…get off of my cloud.  (Yep, saw the Stones in Milwaukee last week.  They didn't play that, though.)  Seriously, he's starting to make me miss original (S5/7) "blue steel" Horseman Jase.  Ugh.

 

Finally, how much must it be killing the editors to keep cutting to the shots of those Little Shop of Horrors-style "carnivorous plants" in the Have-Not dentist's office, and not be able to refer to them as "Audrey II", as in the film?  But with "Audrey I" being the show's poster child for open-mindedness and acceptance (and paranoid over-playing and stupid threats…), Grodner just can't go there.  Even if she was willing to pony up the $ for a snippet of "Feed Me (Git It)" each time a HG is evicted, which she never would be, anyhow.  Sigh.

Edited July 2, 2015 by DAngelus

[Wings]

I just can't stand Da Vonne.  Over playing, overly dramatic, big mouth.  Getting angry that someone called her out on snooping in someone's room.  It was very obvious that she was deflecting.  I wish they would vote her out sooner than later, and pre jury house too.

 

Jace too can go, but I would prefer Da Vonne to leave first. 

 

 

I agree 100%.   She keeps threatening to let  Inglewood out.  Be my guest, let it out so we can watch you go out the door.  

[Wouldofshouldof]

I know it's early, but so far this season is just so bor...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Wings]

Okay, so I'm doubling down on Clay being the twins. That argument with Da'Vonne, where she DR'd about his voice being different than she had heard before?  Yeah, it's almost as if he was an entirely different person, isn't it?  Plus when "Clay" went upstairs to talk to Da' about the confrontation, he didn't really seem to know what had happened, whether or not he had told Jeff to go into the "car room".  I'm assuming that's "Clay #2" upstairs, trying to clean up "Clay #1"'s mess, but working off of incomplete information.

 

The only other possible twins I can see are Liz, because she's kind of a female Clay (attractive, but lacking any real reason to be cast aside from that, and clearly a recruit) or Shelli (twin cougars? Er, pumas?  Sure, why not?), but neither of them was featured much tonight, so I'm more looking in Clay's direction. And I guess Meg could be twins (double the perky, double the fun!), but I'm just not feeling that.

 

Everybody else is kind of disqualified, IMO.  Vanessa and Jason might get the show into touchy waters because of their orientation;  I'm not sure BB would cast gay twins (especially Jason's brand of flaming) but having a non-gay twin pretend to be gay to impersonate Vanessa or Jason would be even dicier.  Although in Vanessa's case, it might be an explanation of why she's skipping the World Series of Poker to be here; this is something she can share with her (hypothetical) twin in a way that she can't share her poker experiences.  But I'm dubious about that idea.

 

I still love Steve (congrats on the Veto!) and John (love that his critique of the Have-Not Room was that the instruments were outdated, as if anyone else would notice/care) but part of that is because they're awkward and weird, respectively.  Would BB cast that type of twin for a role that requires the social skills to have two people create, essentially, a single persona?  Can't see it.

 

If either Jeff or Jackie were the twins, that would be something that, presumably, the other would have learned during their Amazing Race partnership (or Jackie's apparently fruitless subsequent pursuit of Jeff) and would thus be an unfair advantage for the other, since Jeff would have a significantly better shot at realizing he was playing with twin Jackies or vice versa than anyone else in the House would have.  (BTW, I thought Jeff was verging into Jeff Schroeder territory with his digs at Jackie's intelligence during the Veto, and it grated a bit.)

 

James, Da'Vonne, Jace, and Austin are displaying their tattoos far too prominently for any of them to be the twins, unless their twin has identical ink.  Unlikely.

 

Audrey being twins isn't impossible, but it's close.  Even if she had an equally trans sibling, would the process leave them still looking identical?  And unless Becky's twin was also hit by the train and had identical facial-reconstruction surgery, I feel confident we can rule her out.

 

I didn't too much mind the insertion of the pre-BotB drama into this episode, since it didn't involve any of the nominees and there wasn't much time for it in the previous episode.  Not much different from the Sunday filler segments (most of which happened the previous week) that we'll get as the season goes along, albeit more intense.  The editing "error" that annoyed me more was having Steve's being a trombonist come out of left field, when it was the "perfect word" to win the Veto because "these are my people".  I was like "Wha?"  I realize that BB not being edited after the entire season is over (the way TAR and Survivor are) makes it impossible for the editors to go back to Episode 17.02 and include a specific mention of Steve playing the trombone in his introduction piece or his remarks at the get-to-know-you table (instead of just a general reference to "music"), but they could have done some foreshadowing in this episode, anyhow: they must have DR footage of him talking about how isolated he feels in the house and it's not like he plays a cool instrument like John with his guitar, nobody wants to hear stories about him playing trombone, etc.  (Even if you don't already have something like this, get Steve to talk about it post-Veto and then drop it in the first half of the ep.)  It just felt pretty disconnected for me.

 

I did like his knowing about the history of the spelling competition. (As Becky noted, it's the first time everybody at least spelled a word.  As opposed to "Caltoru" or even "Mouisturizing".  OTOH, as much mockery as "technotronics" has gotten through the years, I'm kind of with Russell in the camp that thinks it was a deliberate throw on Jeff S.'s part, and so not up there with the "David never even locked in a word" category of brain cramps.)  And I liked Liz congratulating him; given that she's safe, it's not as though she needed to suck up, so it was good to see some genuine kindness.  It's a pity we didn't see Steve try to step up his social game, though; it's nice that he recognizes he has a long-term problem, but I want to see him try to solve it.  Surely, with two days between the Veto and the ceremony and the majority of the house concerned about being backdoored (one should hope), there was an opportunity to build bridges with at least some of the six others who knew they were safe (Becky, John, Austin, Liz, Vanessa, Da'Vonne) and so didn't have the distraction of post-Veto drama.  (Although it doesn't seem to take much to get Da' pulled into that…)  Something along the lines of going to Becky/John and being like "well, I'm glad I don't have to worry any more.  I mean, I know James has 'big plans', but I gotta say, his putting me up on the block made me think that he feels I'm…dispensable, you know?"  (Remember, Steve saw Becky crying after the nominations.) "Maybe we need to think about having each others' backs? I'd be down for that."  Or something like that.  It just feels like there's an opportunity there for the safe people to plan their future while the majority of the house has other fish to fry; I hope Steve didn't miss it.

 

One thing I definitely won't miss is Jace.  Just so desperate to be "on" all the time, as when he makes an "alliance" with Audrey and James, but gets distracted by naming it and starts eternally woofing about "Cloudtown".  Hey, hey, Jace…get off of my cloud.  (Yep, saw the Stones in Milwaukee last week.  They didn't play that, though.)  Seriously, he's starting to make me miss original (S5/7) "blue steel" Horseman Jase.  Ugh.

 

Finally, how much must it be killing the editors to keep cutting to the shots of those Little Shop of Horrors-style "carnivorous plants" in the Have-Not dentist's office, and not be able to refer to them as "Audrey II", as in the film?  But with "Audrey I" being the show's poster child for open-mindedness and acceptance (and paranoid over-playing and stupid threats…), Grodner just can't go there.  Even if she was willing to pony up the $ for a snippet of "Feed Me (Git It)" each time a HG is evicted, which she never would be, anyhow.  Sigh.

 

 

Excellent post.  Clay is a twin.  The freckles on his neck are the tell tale sign.  You get a good shot of them in DR and again when the other one is having spat with Day.  

 

I missed how Becky got the scars on her face.  What really happened?  

Edited July 2, 2015 by wings707

[Nashville]

Excellent post.  Clay is a twin.  The freckles on his neck are the tell tale sign.  You get a good shot of them in DR and again when the other one is having spat with Day.

If (a) this were the case and (b) Clay Part Deaux survived long enough to enter the game, Production better get a head start stocking up on cold compresses for Shelli. And maybe some form of lubricant as well.

[Wings]

If (a) this were the case and (b) Clay Part Deaux survived long enough to enter the game, Production better get a head start stocking up on cold compresses for Shelli. And maybe some form of lubricant as well.

 

 

He will be discovered as a twin by Shelli easily.  She is going to hear the difference in his voice and has probably stared at him enough to click on the freckles. 

 

I could be wrong about the freckles but I don't think so since one of them has a deeper voice (Day noticed).  

[peachmangosteen]

I missed how Becky got the scars on her face.  What really happened?  

 

She was hit by a tram. She had to have facial reconstruction surgery. They thought she might have to have brain surgery as well, but she didn't end up needing to have it.

 

As for the twin, it's already common knowledge who it is. It was already found out before the show even aired. Their cousin even posted about it already on reddit! Which is why I'm surprised they waited so long to reveal it.

[Skittl1321]

 

Plus when "Clay" went upstairs to talk to Da' about the confrontation, he didn't really seem to know what had happened, whether or not he had told Jeff to go into the "car room".  I'm assuming that's "Clay #2" upstairs, trying to clean up "Clay #1"'s mess, but working off of incomplete information.

 

I'm not certain this is a twin clue.  Da' was clearly being crazy. When dealing with a crazy person, anyone is working off incomplete information.  That was a classic case of a man having no idea what he did wrong. I'm not certain I know what he did wrong.

[dolphincorn]

From the recap:

 

 

Forced to choose four people as Have-Nots for the week, James plays it safe by naming those ineligible for eviction this week: Vanessa, Da'Vonne, Liz, and Austin. So they have to sleep in a Have-Not room dressed up like a dentist's office. Could be worse . . .

 

Yes, it could be a gynecologist's office.

[AndreaK1041]

Let's imagine that Audrey did not eventually go down and get Meg... and even just see it like it happened.  What in the hell was she thinking taking Jeff like that?  Isn't there supposed to be some form of secrecy?  And does she really think Jeff won't mention the "alliance" to Jackie?  Fool.

[LoneHaranguer]

 

It probably has something to do with,  I don't know,  maybe, all the cameras in the house?

Did you notice that Da'Vonne directly faced a camera and talked to it at the end of one scene? Save it for the DR girl.

 

 

Audrey: Soooo subtle... I know >I'd< just love someone to come wake me up for some demented role-call of a possible alliance but to say nothing that couldn't have waited, like, days... clunkiest/shakiest alliance evar. Also not cool to pull people away and say that if they don't want to be put on the block next week they'd better come up to the HoH room asap...

How dense do you have to be to even break into a guy cozying up to another HG, much less persist when he says not now?

[Wings]

She was hit by a tram. She had to have facial reconstruction surgery. They thought she might have to have brain surgery as well, but she didn't end up needing to have it.

 

As for the twin, it's already common knowledge who it is. It was already found out before the show even aired. Their cousin even posted about it already on reddit! Which is why I'm surprised they waited so long to reveal it.

 

 

Yes, I saw that and know who that is.  I am laid up on the couch with a bulging disc so I went with the thought that there may be other twins.  It kept my mind off the pain until the meds kicked in.  I am feeling pretty good now and don't give a shit about any twins.  **big grin**  

[DAngelus]

 

If (a) this were the case and (b) Clay Part Deaux survived long enough to enter the game, Production better get a head start stocking up on cold compresses for Shelli. And maybe some form of lubricant as well.

 

Heh, I was thinking it's a good thing the spelling competition was held before Clay is/might be revealed to be twins.  Otherwise, Shelli would probably spend the whole comp trying to spell "Sandwich".

 

As for the twin, it's already common knowledge who it is. It was already found out before the show even aired. Their cousin even posted about it already on reddit! Which is why I'm surprised they waited so long to reveal it.

 

Well, not everybody seeks out spoilers.  I can hardly blame BB for keeping the same schedule they used for the original twin reveal in S5 (or the Saboteuse reveal in S12) just because the news is on some corners of the web.  They're only taking a week to tease, anyhow.  Meantime, I enjoyed guessing.  Especially if I'm actually right.

 

As much as I don't like Jace, he really got boned by that Veto draw.  Both BotB winners (who were already safe and thus had no reason to try to win) and the ex-co-HoH, who had helped draw up the backdoor plan.  Heck, Becky had even DR'd (last episode) that she didn't like having to win BotB and show her competitive cards so early; there's no way she wanted to win Veto, too.  ("Closest" was a good throw; not terribly long, and the only high-value letter is the "c".  Props for not chopping it down to "loses" and being really blatant.)  The only chance Jace had of not being backdoored was James changing his mind or Jason winning and getting cold feet.  To be fair, he and Austin still did a poor job of hint-threatening the HoH, the way buff dudes usually (and correctly) do when this sort of talk happens early on.  "I dunno, bro; getting rid of a 'big target' the first week kinda makes you a big target going forward, y'know?  And you can't play for HoH next week…Why don't you just trim some fat, get rid of somebody that nobody's gonna miss? Easy week and you stay safe…"

 

I mean, logically, Austin should be hearing alarm klaxons and seeing flashing red lights the moment the phrase "big target"comes up, what with his being 6'11", 375 lbs. or whatever.  (Wrestlers  notoriously exaggerate their stats.)  But I guess knowing he was completely safe (due to the fast-forward) dulled his senses.

 

There's still no excuse for Jace, though.  (But then, when is there?)

[peachmangosteen]

I'm still slightly holding out hope that it's actually someone else that's the twin twist. But with the cousin confirming it I doubt it.

 

I'd really love it if more than one HG is doing the swapping with their twin. That would be crazy!

[peachmangosteen]

I can hardly blame BB for keeping the same schedule they used for the original twin reveal in S5 

 

Oh, they announced the BB5 twin twist a week later, too? Then yea that's why they're doing it that way. Although, they seem to want us to pretend like this is the first time they've done a twin twist lol. Plus, the official twitter tweeted the other day to watch the live feeds to see the first twin switch yet there had already been at least one switch at the time. Then they deleted it. Production is a mess basically!

[LoneHaranguer]

 

I'd really love it if more than one HG is doing the swapping with their twin. That would be crazy!

It's been previously discussed elsewhere that more HG's have twins than you'd expect, trying to make it tough to figure out the swap, so it's a possibility.